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Reply #300 - Jul 14th, 2019 at 1:08pm
 
I would have expected a bunch of lefty unionist types to be keen to limit the authority and reach of an employer into private life, but instead, it’s been almost the exact opposite.

Not enough privilege points Folau, if only you had been darker and Muslim... and not a bogan sportsman.  Smiley
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Reply #301 - Jul 14th, 2019 at 1:15pm
 
Gnads wrote on Jul 14th, 2019 at 1:02pm:
If they are not displaying/using any company/ employer identification & in their own time in private ......... then why should an employer dictate what you say in your private life on a public forum that has nothing to do with your workplace?



If it costs your employer customers, he has every right to act. Whether you have the company logo on your facebook page or not is irrelevant. Whilst you are an employee of theirs, you represent the company. 

Are you going to argue that if you had staff and they posted something that cost you, or had the potential to cost you, hundreds of thousands in revenue, you wouldn't act? Pull the other one. Most of you wouldn't even give him a warning or a second chance.
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Reply #302 - Jul 14th, 2019 at 1:31pm
 
gnads, when your employer specifically markets themselves as an anti homophobic organisation, and regularly makes PR promotions supporting gay rights - then suddenly being homophobic has everything to do with your workplace.

This is a point the critics seems unable to grasp - the fact that being employed by RA includes a lot more responsibilities than merely playing Rugby well.
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Reply #303 - Jul 14th, 2019 at 1:35pm
 
Haven't yet met a person who says an individual's personal views somehow reflect on the good name of the company they work for...

People just consider it to be their personal view, unless it is an extreme like gassing Jews or something....scarcely any comparison with a religious view that harms nobody.....now if Israel Folau had said that unless homos and drunks etc mend their ways  his religious sect would be chopping off their heads after committing them to flames or that his religious observance meant banning anyone else outside the group from 40km of coastline etc..... and he would be first in line with the flaming brand and the goon squads banning the access to the beach for thousands...
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Reply #304 - Jul 14th, 2019 at 1:36pm
 
Secret Wars wrote on Jul 14th, 2019 at 1:08pm:
I would have expected a bunch of lefty unionist types to be keen to limit the authority and reach of an employer into private life, but instead, it’s been almost the exact opposite.

Not enough privilege points Folau, if only you had been darker and Muslim... and not a bogan sportsman.  Smiley


If you took your partisan cap off for just one second secret, you would see where the glaring hypocricy lies-  and its not with the 'lefty unionist types'. Its actually the topic of this thread - comparing Folau and Yassmin - and the rank hypocricy of people like Eric Abetz who called for Yassmin's head for a tweet, then cries 'attack on freedom' when RA goes and does to Folau what they were demanding of Yassmin.
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Reply #305 - Jul 14th, 2019 at 1:38pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jul 14th, 2019 at 1:15pm:
Gnads wrote on Jul 14th, 2019 at 1:02pm:
If they are not displaying/using any company/ employer identification & in their own time in private ......... then why should an employer dictate what you say in your private life on a public forum that has nothing to do with your workplace?



If it costs your employer customers, he has every right to act. Whether you have the company logo on your facebook page or not is irrelevant. Whilst you are an employee of theirs, you represent the company. 

Are you going to argue that if you had staff and they posted something that cost you, or had the potential to cost you, hundreds of thousands in revenue, you wouldn't act? Pull the other one. Most of you wouldn't even give him a warning or a second chance.


So now people are going to flood to stay away from Rugby because Israel Folau said that sinners would burn in hell?

I doubt it.... Rugby fans are more likely to show up with pitch-forks and wave banners saying "Burn in Hell, All Blacks!" and so forth.... or even take the piss out of Israel...  "Give 'Em Hell, Izzie!"  "God is on Our Side!" .....  Grin  Grin  Grin
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Reply #306 - Jul 14th, 2019 at 1:42pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 14th, 2019 at 1:38pm:
So now people are going to flood to stay away from Rugby because Israel Folau said that sinners would burn in hell?


No, the sponsors are the ones they are worried about.

QANTAS is their main backer I believe, and they were said to be putting pressure on RA.
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Reply #307 - Jul 14th, 2019 at 2:04pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 14th, 2019 at 1:36pm:
Secret Wars wrote on Jul 14th, 2019 at 1:08pm:
I would have expected a bunch of lefty unionist types to be keen to limit the authority and reach of an employer into private life, but instead, it’s been almost the exact opposite.

Not enough privilege points Folau, if only you had been darker and Muslim... and not a bogan sportsman.  Smiley


If you took your partisan cap off for just one second secret, you would see where the glaring hypocricy lies-  and its not with the 'lefty unionist types'. Its actually the topic of this thread - comparing Folau and Yassmin - and the rank hypocricy of people like Eric Abetz who called for Yassmin's head for a tweet, then cries 'attack on freedom' when RA goes and does to Folau what they were demanding of Yassmin.


My position has always been consistent, employers have no place dictating what any one does with their own social media albeit they can proscribe posting about that employment, and I hope that a court will affirm that.

And my partisan cap remains, the forum clowns who would ordinarily revolt against an employer dictating what an employee can post on their own social media have weighed up the privilege points and found for ...the employer.   Being a Christian is trumps obviously.  Roll Eyes

Cos a contract.  Even with Sally McManus pointing the way they still find themselves wid da man. Bring back grapes of wrath employment contracts cos the clowns here have rolled over.

Eric Abetz can speak for himself.
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Reply #308 - Jul 14th, 2019 at 2:09pm
 
Secret Wars wrote on Jul 14th, 2019 at 1:08pm:
I would have expected a bunch of lefty unionist types to be keen to limit the authority and reach of an employer into private life, but instead, it’s been almost the exact opposite.

Not enough privilege points Folau, if only you had been darker and Muslim... and not a bogan sportsman.  Smiley


Folou is hardly receiving an award wage, dear. He has a contract, with highly-paid agents and lawyers.

You?
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Reply #309 - Jul 14th, 2019 at 2:13pm
 
Mattyfisk wrote on Jul 14th, 2019 at 2:09pm:
Secret Wars wrote on Jul 14th, 2019 at 1:08pm:
I would have expected a bunch of lefty unionist types to be keen to limit the authority and reach of an employer into private life, but instead, it’s been almost the exact opposite.

Not enough privilege points Folau, if only you had been darker and Muslim... and not a bogan sportsman.  Smiley


Folou is hardly receiving an award wage, dear. He has a contract, with highly-paid agents and lawyers.

You?


Me what?
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Reply #310 - Jul 14th, 2019 at 3:36pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 14th, 2019 at 1:35pm:
Haven't yet met a person who says an individual's personal views somehow reflect on the good name of the company they work for...

People just consider it to be their personal view, unless it is an extreme like gassing Jews or something....scarcely any comparison with a religious view that harms nobody.....now if Israel Folau had said that unless homos and drunks etc mend their ways  his religious sect would be chopping off their heads after committing them to flames or that his religious observance meant banning anyone else outside the group from 40km of coastline etc..... and he would be first in line with the flaming brand and the goon squads banning the access to the beach for thousands...


You mean like....oh I don't know.....
Behead all who insult Islam, Muhammid,  etc etc?
Or kill all infidels?
Or murder all jews?

Or is this type of cultish freedom acceptable, as long as it's Muzzo?
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I HAVE A DREAM
A WONDERFUL, PEACEFUL, BEAUTIFUL DREAM.
A DREAM OF A WORLD THAT HAS NEVER KNOWN ISLAM
A DREAM OF A WORLD FREE FROM THE HORRORS OF ISLAM.

SUCH A WONDERFUL DREAM
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Reply #311 - Jul 14th, 2019 at 3:40pm
 
Valkie wrote on Jul 14th, 2019 at 3:36pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 14th, 2019 at 1:35pm:
Haven't yet met a person who says an individual's personal views somehow reflect on the good name of the company they work for...

People just consider it to be their personal view, unless it is an extreme like gassing Jews or something....scarcely any comparison with a religious view that harms nobody.....now if Israel Folau had said that unless homos and drunks etc mend their ways  his religious sect would be chopping off their heads after committing them to flames or that his religious observance meant banning anyone else outside the group from 40km of coastline etc..... and he would be first in line with the flaming brand and the goon squads banning the access to the beach for thousands...


You mean like....oh I don't know.....
Behead all who insult Islam, Muhammid,  etc etc?
Or kill all infidels?
Or murder all jews?

Or is this type of cultish freedom acceptable, as long as it's Muzzo?


I'll bet that if any Rugby player posted that stuff under their real name....they'd have their contract ripped up.
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Reply #312 - Jul 14th, 2019 at 4:52pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 14th, 2019 at 1:38pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 14th, 2019 at 1:15pm:
Gnads wrote on Jul 14th, 2019 at 1:02pm:
If they are not displaying/using any company/ employer identification & in their own time in private ......... then why should an employer dictate what you say in your private life on a public forum that has nothing to do with your workplace?



If it costs your employer customers, he has every right to act. Whether you have the company logo on your facebook page or not is irrelevant. Whilst you are an employee of theirs, you represent the company. 

Are you going to argue that if you had staff and they posted something that cost you, or had the potential to cost you, hundreds of thousands in revenue, you wouldn't act? Pull the other one. Most of you wouldn't even give him a warning or a second chance.


So now people are going to flood to stay away from Rugby because Israel Folau said that sinners would burn in hell?

I doubt it.... Rugby fans are more likely to show up with pitch-forks and wave banners saying "Burn in Hell, All Blacks!" and so forth.... or even take the piss out of Israel...  "Give 'Em Hell, Izzie!"  "God is on Our Side!" .....  Grin  Grin  Grin


you doubt it? So the sponsors didn't threaten to pull their sponsorship money?
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Reply #313 - Jul 14th, 2019 at 4:54pm
 
Valkie wrote on Jul 14th, 2019 at 3:36pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 14th, 2019 at 1:35pm:
Haven't yet met a person who says an individual's personal views somehow reflect on the good name of the company they work for...

People just consider it to be their personal view, unless it is an extreme like gassing Jews or something....scarcely any comparison with a religious view that harms nobody.....now if Israel Folau had said that unless homos and drunks etc mend their ways  his religious sect would be chopping off their heads after committing them to flames or that his religious observance meant banning anyone else outside the group from 40km of coastline etc..... and he would be first in line with the flaming brand and the goon squads banning the access to the beach for thousands...


You mean like....oh I don't know.....
Behead all who insult Islam, Muhammid,  etc etc?
Or kill all infidels?
Or murder all jews?

Or is this type of cultish freedom acceptable, as long as it's Muzzo?


Well - I did differentiate between expressions of extreme religious cultism and everyday things...

You're not allowed to discuss things like that... might upset someone's sensitivities...
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Reply #314 - Jul 14th, 2019 at 4:54pm
 
Secret Wars wrote on Jul 14th, 2019 at 2:04pm:
My position has always been consistent, employers have no place dictating what any one does with their own social media albeit they can proscribe posting about that employment, and I hope that a court will affirm that.



So if you had staff and they posted something that cost your business, or had the potential to cost it, hundreds of thousands in revenue, you wouldn't act?
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Our esteemed leader:
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