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Reply #30 - Jul 4th, 2019 at 8:40pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jul 4th, 2019 at 6:40pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 4th, 2019 at 6:31pm:
Bobby, Bobby, even I could design a working Atomic bomb.  It isn't rocket science. Of course, it would be a simplistic "gun type" bomb, not a you beaut implosion kind.  That would take a little longer, I am willing to admit.

Now, if you want a Hydrogen bomb, that might take a lot longer and a bit more research but I think I could build one without too many difficulties.

Of course I'd need to experiment a few times to make sure I've got the details right...    Roll Eyes




No one would use a gun type bomb.
It requires a huge amount of U235.
Look at North Korea - their first bombs were all fizzers - hardly any yield.
That's because it's not simple to design
even for top nuclear scientists.



Where did I suggest it would be cheap, Bobby?  We could build a gun type bomb.  It doesn't need a huge amount of U235, it just needs a large amount, preferably highly enriched Uranium.  The South Africans were going to manage a series of small bombs using only a hundred or so kilograms.

The reason why the DPRK's first few bombs were fizzers was because they were trying with a handful of Plutonium and an implosion device.  The first implosion device, the "Fat Man" bomb was comparatively huge that was partly because the Fat Man lacked miniaturised electronics.   Nowadays, if you know what you're doing you can make it the size of a large suitcase.

Were you aware that the Pakistanis' first bombs were also fizzers?  That was because they used a (deliberately) defective Chinese design.  It seems the Chinese are more inscrutable than we believed...
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Reply #31 - Jul 4th, 2019 at 8:41pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 4th, 2019 at 6:46pm:
Brian couldn't even build a fart bomb let alone a nuke.


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Reply #32 - Jul 4th, 2019 at 9:04pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 4th, 2019 at 8:40pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 4th, 2019 at 6:40pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 4th, 2019 at 6:31pm:
Bobby, Bobby, even I could design a working Atomic bomb.  It isn't rocket science. Of course, it would be a simplistic "gun type" bomb, not a you beaut implosion kind.  That would take a little longer, I am willing to admit.

Now, if you want a Hydrogen bomb, that might take a lot longer and a bit more research but I think I could build one without too many difficulties.

Of course I'd need to experiment a few times to make sure I've got the details right...    Roll Eyes




No one would use a gun type bomb.
It requires a huge amount of U235.
Look at North Korea - their first bombs were all fizzers - hardly any yield.
That's because it's not simple to design
even for top nuclear scientists.



Where did I suggest it would be cheap, Bobby?  We could build a gun type bomb.  It doesn't need a huge amount of U235, it just needs a large amount, preferably highly enriched Uranium.  The South Africans were going to manage a series of small bombs using only a hundred or so kilograms.

The reason why the DPRK's first few bombs were fizzers was because they were trying with a handful of Plutonium and an implosion device.  The first implosion device, the "Fat Man" bomb was comparatively huge that was partly because the Fat Man lacked miniaturised electronics.   Nowadays, if you know what you're doing you can make it the size of a large suitcase.

Were you aware that the Pakistanis' first bombs were also fizzers?  That was because they used a (deliberately) defective Chinese design.  It seems the Chinese are more inscrutable than we believed... 


With a P239 bomb you only need 7 Kgs of material.
With a U235 bomb you need 10 times that amount
about 70 Kgs.
That's why they use P239 that can be easily made in a Uranium reactor.

The fizzing problem is not simple at all with P239.
You have to reflect neutrons back in but if you reflect too many it will fizz out.
It also requires an initiator at the center of a hollow sphere or pit.
How can they stop that from causing criticality too soon?
There are precise amounts of material in many different shells
and the timing has to be perfect or it will be a fizzer
with almost no yield.

I am actually very surprised that the first P239 Trinity test worked at all.
It shows you how smart they were.
They did it in only 3 years.

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Reply #33 - Jul 4th, 2019 at 10:08pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jul 2nd, 2019 at 7:55pm:
https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6054565868001


USA 'may not be able' to defend Australia against China


02/07/2019|5min

Former Defence Department official Professor Hugh White says Australia must 'significantly ramp up' its defence spending, as America may not be able to 'preserve its leadership in Asia' in the face of China's growing influence.


Not only is the first paragraph seemingly arrogant coming from a former US Defence Department official about their role in Asia. But the context makes it seem that the USA had decided long ago not to worry about defence in the Southwest Pacific. I seem to agree with the official about them not needing to concern themselves with the defence of anywhere in the Pacific that is not a US territory, if that is what he is implying.

The whole problem with the article is that Australia is not going about provoking conflicts and wars with our neighbours. Our leaders and officials go out of their way to placate the larger Asian countries.
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Reply #34 - Jul 4th, 2019 at 10:14pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 2nd, 2019 at 3:32pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 2nd, 2019 at 3:27pm:
I'm undecided.
I don't think we can afford it - it would bankrupt us.
Also - it would make us a nuclear target.
It's not as though we could ever use them as we'd
be utterly destroyed in a counter attack.


You want this guy to have his finger on the button?

https://theaimn.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Morrison-e1555989508493.jpeg


On the one hand, you probably won't see any nations nearby Australia that have hostilities towards Australia. Especially if there are no sizable Christian populations living there. On the other hand, if the Americans say no to Morrison, he won't do schitt.
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Reply #35 - Jul 8th, 2019 at 9:35pm
 
Q&A to discuss this topic tonight.

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Reply #36 - Jul 8th, 2019 at 10:23pm
 


Yes nukes and biological weapons
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Reply #37 - Jul 8th, 2019 at 10:42pm
 
miketrees wrote on Jul 8th, 2019 at 10:23pm:
Yes nukes and biological weapons



I think better points were made here.
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Reply #38 - Jul 8th, 2019 at 10:47pm
 
miketrees wrote on Jul 8th, 2019 at 10:23pm:
Yes nukes and biological weapons


Nukes are expensive.  Biological weapons are uncertain and not terribly effective.   Roll Eyes
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Reply #39 - Jul 8th, 2019 at 10:58pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 8th, 2019 at 10:47pm:
miketrees wrote on Jul 8th, 2019 at 10:23pm:
Yes nukes and biological weapons


Nukes are expensive.  Biological weapons are uncertain and not terribly effective.   Roll Eyes



Biological weapons have the ability to wipe the whole world out very quickly -
especially with jet air travel.
The whole pandemic could envelop the world in under a week.
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Reply #40 - Jul 9th, 2019 at 2:41pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jul 8th, 2019 at 10:58pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 8th, 2019 at 10:47pm:
miketrees wrote on Jul 8th, 2019 at 10:23pm:
Yes nukes and biological weapons


Nukes are expensive.  Biological weapons are uncertain and not terribly effective.   Roll Eyes



Biological weapons have the ability to wipe the whole world out very quickly -
especially with jet air travel.
The whole pandemic could envelop the world in under a week.


Most pandemics usually are only about 30-40% effective, Bobby.   Roll Eyes
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Reply #41 - Jul 9th, 2019 at 3:31pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9th, 2019 at 2:41pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 8th, 2019 at 10:58pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 8th, 2019 at 10:47pm:
miketrees wrote on Jul 8th, 2019 at 10:23pm:
Yes nukes and biological weapons


Nukes are expensive.  Biological weapons are uncertain and not terribly effective.   Roll Eyes



Biological weapons have the ability to wipe the whole world out very quickly -
especially with jet air travel.
The whole pandemic could envelop the world in under a week.


Most pandemics usually are only about 30-40% effective, Bobby.   Roll Eyes



But biological weapons are designed so we have no immunity to them -
it's the ultimate evil.
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Reply #42 - Jul 9th, 2019 at 7:21pm
 


But biological weapons are designed so we have no immunity to them -
it's the ultimate evil.


Australia could have enough vaccinations available to protect its citizens.
The rest of the world would be safe,,, just dont invade us
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Reply #43 - Jul 10th, 2019 at 5:22pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jul 9th, 2019 at 3:31pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9th, 2019 at 2:41pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 8th, 2019 at 10:58pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 8th, 2019 at 10:47pm:
miketrees wrote on Jul 8th, 2019 at 10:23pm:
Yes nukes and biological weapons


Nukes are expensive.  Biological weapons are uncertain and not terribly effective.   Roll Eyes



Biological weapons have the ability to wipe the whole world out very quickly -
especially with jet air travel.
The whole pandemic could envelop the world in under a week.


Most pandemics usually are only about 30-40% effective, Bobby.   Roll Eyes


But biological weapons are designed so we have no immunity to them -
it's the ultimate evil.


You don't think it might be a good idea to make sure that we are safe from our own weapons, Bobby?

However, that aside, you were talking about pandemics which are of course naturally occurring and not weapons...   Roll Eyes
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Reply #44 - Jul 10th, 2019 at 5:22pm
 
miketrees wrote on Jul 9th, 2019 at 7:21pm:
But biological weapons are designed so we have no immunity to them -
it's the ultimate evil.


Australia could have enough vaccinations available to protect its citizens.
The rest of the world would be safe,,, just dont invade us


Who is going to bother to invade us, Mike?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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