Mattyfisk wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2019 at 8:23pm:



you are 100 % right and 100 % wrong.
but keep going because you are playing right into donalds hands.

you and the left "hate " on ivanka for being a dumbie and "white trash".
you call her "elite".

and from a new york or california liberal progressive perspective, you have a point.

but how does that play with a 3rd generation welder from kansas, with a 3 rd generation ayto worker from flint, with a 3rd generation coal miner from pennsylvania.

do they (like you) see people like zuckerburg and bezos and legarde and macron as being "on their side".
are they loving the AI and tech revolution?
are they impressed by people like hilary who would have surrounded herself with a dozen golman sachs lawyers on her cabinet?
are they impressed when they are told by clinton in the wake of the orlando shootings to quit with the racism?
are they impressed when they cant afford a doctor but the democrat nominees to a man say they want open borders, decriminilisation for border crossers and free medicare for illegal immigrants , paid for by welders and coal miners and auto workers who they despise?
are they impressed that the democratic nominees deliver speeches in spanish.
are they impressed the democratic nominees offer free abortions for transgender men (an impossibility)?


see you think these guys should hate on ivanka and love all the virtue signallers in new york and cally.
and you think that YOUR elites are more knowledgeable and so they should be defered to.
you expect servitude to the intellectual elites.
and people on this forum like you abu and gweg and sad pretend to be the intellectual elites and you get a bit smug.

but people dont care how much you know until they know how much you care.

and the white middle class and many many hispanics and blacks who live in high crime areas do NOT want open borders and the party of davos crushing them any more.
its probably wishful thinking on their part.
but the total lack of emotional intelligence shown by the left should give trump 4 more years.

trump say stupid things so that the "great unwashed" can see him as one of them.
its a smart move.

do you really think welders and coal miners and autoworkers would want to sit in a bar and listen to stories from gweg and you and sad?


you dont know people very well.
you should study steven covey and dale carnegie for a few years.
you should spend about 5 years thinking about nothing else 

Trumps family initially helped their father during the US 2016 election and were going to go back to their "normal" successful careers after that.

But what they found was a massive hole of capable people within Washington, Obama leftovers who have been working against the Trump administration and just plain lazy public servants.

So some of the Tump family decided to stay on and help out.

Ivanka has lead an initiative to get companies to pledge either to train, retrain or put on apprentices.

The pledge received over 10,000,000 training positions.

She is also leading another initiative right now to Empower more Women to get into politics - not just in the US but around the world. Thats why she was at the G20.

She has been working her ass off very successfully - Something Liberals seem to dislike for some reason 

Jared Kushner - Played a major part in the Mexican trade deal - the Mexicans pointed this out and pointed to him as the major reason that the deal went through.

He also played a major part in the Justice System reform and pushed it through.

He is now leading the charge to try and work with the Palestinians to bring peace to that region and they are presenting a massive package to them right now.

What have our forum liberals done over the passed 3 years compared to the Trump family ??

Pissed and moaned how successful the Trump family is? 

Yeah, it would have been unacceptable for the Clinton's or Obama's to bring their children to these events.  They can accompany them on the trip sure, but not attend the events.

And the cringy attempt to force herself into the conversation.  We've all been there at networking events (well, probably not all of the posters here...), but I felt embarrassed for her.  Maybe it's just brought up some of the moments I've tried, poorly, to join conversations etc to, well, network.

But that is at business or trade conferences, not rubbing shoulders with world leaders and being totally unqualified to do so embarrassing the represented nation, on the world stage...

I know it's not Trump's style to want people who are smarter than him around him, if he even acknowledges that they are given that he acts like he's the smarted person in the room all the time, who knew?, but this is one of those times where he should have bit the bullet, manned up and just brought the right people with him, even if to avoid disrespected the other nations represented there.

But no, the nepotism that we were told would never happen it on full display each and every day with this Administration.

PZ547 wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2019 at 7:08am:


Thats only your opinion and thats fine.

But don't speak for the other 300 Million American's. They most likely have a completely different view from you - accept the liberals that is.

SerialBrain9 wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2019 at 7:03am:


No no no no no... She's not even qualified to be "Advisor to the President", she has no credentials that would warrant such a position, unless stealing other designs from the fashon world counts and then having it all made in China.

You can't honestly say that in all of Washington there was nobody more qualified than her to accompany Trump?

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And even if they come good on those pledges, so what?  How does that make her more qualified than career diplomats?

And that claim of 10,000,000 needs a thread all of its own.  Some of the biggest players pledging big numbers over the next 5 years, including Walmart and the Associated Builders and Contractors, they've pledged roughly the same amount of positions (training, not jobs as many, including the President claims) as they have historically, meaning these would have happened anyway (give or take) and it's dishonest to claim the total number as being a result of the initiative.  As usual, the Trump family claiming credit for the work of others.

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And a noble cause, but what would she know about the struggles of real women?  This is evidenced by the fact that she's there without having to earn the right to be there.

Would she be there if Trump wasn't President?

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It's not the work that she's done, directed others to do or claimed credit for, but the doors those who support her claim were never opened for her yet not only did she have the key, she had doormen to open them for her.  Many people, most people would work harder than her but the same doors remain locked and guarded.

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Given that the President calls them all rapists and murders and wants to build a wall to keep them out, a 4 day old cucumber rotting in the sun would get the same praise as Kushner in comparison.

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A positive yes, but still is no diplomatic credential.

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Because Nepotism got him the job.  He couldn't even get security clearance on his own.  Again I'll ask, if Trump wasn't President do you think he'd be a candidate for the roles he has? 

I know you won't play hypotheticals, but at least think about it if you have any desire to act in good faith on this topic.

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Being successful in one area does not make one an expert in another.  The right people for the right job.

And you said it yourself, "Trump Family".  They are unelected and unqualified for the roles he's given them, that the American people are paying for.  Roles that should of gone to someone who worked their entire lives to be the best in those areas.  You know, hard work, that thing you were just talking about earlier, only the door was locked to them because it was opened by Trump for his family members.

Trump's family haven't earned the right or proved themselves to be taking these roles.  Nepotism in action.

If they're so amazing at what they're doing why were they not already in politics?  They only look good because people like you compare them to made-up stories of people in those roles previously and they'll always be compared to Trump himself. 

It's not a personal attack on the President's daughterwife, but disapproval of the nepotism and disrespect that this shows to countries Trump is already disrespecting and "bull in a china shop"ing.

The US is not strong enough to be alone in the world.

SerialBrain9 wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2019 at 7:44am:



Who do you imagine yourself to be … the Oz Pol Gatekeeper?

We discuss whatever we like

You DID get that hint, didn't you ... the US is less than 5% of the world's population?  Good


So the question is --- why are you here, trying to sell Trump and Fam to Aussies?

Trump and Fam are hilarious.  Entertainment value sometimes

this time -- big fail for Trump and Fam

If he wanted/needed a woman by his side, maybe his wife should have accustomed him, as would have been appropriate

Didn't see Legarde or May or any of the others imposing their kids and in-laws

Ivanka looked idiotic, flapping her arms around, trying to sound 'informed'

she was given the cold shoulder or barely tolerated --- and that was being kind

So know your place.  Chuck your weight around in US forums and take what comes

but don't even think about spewing your Trump-worship rage here

and Oz Pol should have given you the clue

sounds as if you're as situationally unaware as your hero

Jared and Ivanka are Manhattan Democrats.

How do you spin that one, Mechanic?