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Jun 30th, 2019 at 9:45am
 
I wonder what would happen if we tried to ban aborigines from Bondi.

High Court to determine Aboriginal right to exclude public from popular camping beaches

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-06-27/legal-fight-for-beaches-in-high-court/11245540

Many Australians regard the beach as a place that belongs to everyone, where no-one can be excluded. But the truth of that notion is on its way to be tested by the High Court.

But that decision is being appealed in the High Court by the Federal and WA Governments, and the outcome will be the final word on whether native title can trump public access on an Australian beach.

The High Court is expected to hear the appeal later this year.

Time for change

CEO of the Kimberley Land Council (KLC) Nolan Hunter said the idea that the beach belongs to no-one was a hangover from terra nullius and our colonial history of not recognising Aboriginal ownership of land.

"This is about how the people should not take it for granted that Aboriginal people are just here to be abused, or taken advantage of, or dispossessed," Mr Hunter said.

"It doesn't make it right that people's access to beaches are far greater than people's access to be recognised as the people for the land that they've been connected to for thousands of years."

Mr Hunter hoped a growing understanding of Indigenous connection to country would help avoid this issue becoming an ugly fight between Aboriginal people and the general public.

"The whole point of recognising native title is that people have the ability to make decisions for their land," he said.

"You can't on the one hand say yes we recognise that you have exclusive possession native title, but it doesn't mean anything because anybody should be able to go there."

Preserving public access

The Federal Court finally determined exclusive possession last year over a 40-kilometre stretch of coast from Willie Creek, north of Broome, to Coulomb Point, 26 years after the first claim was made.

The initial determination also included public access rights to the beaches alongside the traditional owners' exclusive possession.

But the legal basis for this public access was appealed by the Bindunbur and Jabirr Jabirr/Ngumbarl traditional owners, and in December 2018 the Full Federal Court upheld that appeal and removed the right of public access to beaches, waterways, marshes, and riverbanks.

Although this stretch of coast is a popular camping and fishing destination used by Broome locals and squadrons of visiting caravaners and four-wheel drivers, this access had no legal basis such as being gazetted for recreational or conservation purposes.

Last week the High Court granted leave to the Federal and WA Governments to appeal the Federal Court's decision to remove public access rights to this area.

The Attorney-General's office declined to be interviewed about this appeal, but provided a statement to the ABC.

"We are arguing in support of the access clause being consistent with provisions in the Native Title Act which allows governments to confirm existing ability of the public to access and enjoy waterways and coastal areas," the statement read in part.

The WA Minister for Aboriginal Affairs and Lands, Ben Wyatt, also declined to be interviewed on this issue, but also provided a statement.

"The state always seeks to maintain public access rights to beaches and waterways as a part of determinations of native title," the statement read in part.

"We also need to ensure that Aboriginal interest holders who are not native title holders also have their rights of access to these public places protected."

Is existing beach access a legal right?

The High Court's decision about the public's right to access the beach will come down to one section of the Native Title Act, and what is meant by public access, according to president of the WA Law Society and native title expert Greg McIntyre.

"It says a law of the Commonwealth, a state or a territory can confirm any existing public access to and enjoyment of waterways, coastal waters, beaches," Mr McIntyre said.

"Public access is not a very often used legal term, and whether it overcomes the right of exclusive possession is, I think, what they're wanting to test in this appeal."

He doubts that public access will trump exclusive possession in this case because of the lack of a legal basis.

Mr McIntyre said the idea that this could set a precedent for widespread banning of the public from beaches was not likely.

"Theoretically it's possible for native title to exist on beaches because they aren't generally privately owned," he said.

But the requirement of the Native Title Act to demonstrate ongoing connection of a continuous cultural tradition often prevents native title being granted in the first place.

Even if the High Court upholds the exclusive possession in the case of the beaches north of Broome, it remains to be seen how traditional owners may use that right.

"It depends upon the attitude of the title holders as to whether they're going to exercise those rights," Mr McIntyre said.

Mr Hunter said it remained to be seen how traditional owners will use their right to exclude the public from the beaches north of Broome, should the High Court find in their favour.

The KLC website suggests the implementation of visitor permits and the establishment of Indigenous ranger groups are possible outcomes.
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Reply #1 - Jun 30th, 2019 at 10:58am
 
This is about how the people should not take it for granted that Aboriginal people are just here to be abused, or taken advantage of, or dispossessed.

So it's all right for an Aboriginal grievance group to dispossess or take advantage or abuse... but not right for anyone else?  Could that be because they have been granted Accredited Victim Status and thus derive 'rights' held by nobody else??

Time to say no - buggar off and share you greedy children... talk about bringing your own group into disrepute...

"Mr Hunter hoped a growing understanding of Indigenous connection to country would help avoid this issue becoming an ugly fight between Aboriginal people and the general public."

Bit late there, isn't he?  His lot have already started the fight... now they may reap the whirlwind...
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Reply #2 - Jun 30th, 2019 at 11:02am
 
Give the Abbos an inch and they take a mile.

Abbos are racist but they don't mind collecting all the social security money from white fellas.
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Reply #3 - Jun 30th, 2019 at 11:05am
 
How can anybody own a beach? Most of a beach is  inter tidal zone which belongs to the sea. The abo stuff is starting to get ridiculous.
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Reply #4 - Jun 30th, 2019 at 11:10am
 
Bobby. wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 11:02am:
Give the Abbos an inch and they take a mile.

Abbos are racist but they don't mind collecting all the social security money from white fellas.


That diff'runt, Bro - dey got dat  'ditional raght over dat rent money dere.... monetary secred saght .... pay dat rent an' be 'appy we only take what we want from you, Honkey .... one way or d'udda...

Ah git da gu'ment t' declare 'im a secred saght... Dead Falcon Easy!!
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Reply #5 - Jun 30th, 2019 at 11:12am
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 11:05am:
How can anybody own a beach? Most of a beach is  inter tidal zone which belongs to the sea. The abo stuff is starting to get ridiculous.


What are they going to do there that anybody else doesn't do?  Camp and fish?  Attract salties who want brekkie off their kids?  Will they use wharte man's tinnies to fish - or traditional spears?  Humpy in the dunes or a nice tent?  'Ey, Errol - you bring some han' bags an' a woman - we have a party!
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Reply #6 - Jun 30th, 2019 at 11:14am
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 11:05am:
How can anybody own a beach? Most of a beach is  inter tidal zone which belongs to the sea. The abo stuff is starting to get ridiculous.


The Maoris did the same shite in New Zealand.

Mt Eden in Auckland was a major tourist destination.
It provides magnificent views all over Auckland & the harbor.
You used to be allowed to drive to the top
where there is a large car park.

Then the Maoris decided it was a sacred site and now you have to park
your car below the peak and do an agonising walk to the top
which anyone older than 35 would find very difficult to do.
I'm surprised that older people haven't had heart attacks trying.
Maybe they have and it's all been hushed up?
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Reply #7 - Jun 30th, 2019 at 11:14am
 
Ye Grappler wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 11:12am:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 11:05am:
How can anybody own a beach? Most of a beach is  inter tidal zone which belongs to the sea. The abo stuff is starting to get ridiculous.


What are they going to do there that anybody else doesn't do?  Camp and fish?  Attract salties who want brekkie off their kids?  Will they use wharte man's tinnies to fish - or traditional spears?  Humpy in the dunes or a nice tent?  'Ey, Errol - you bring some han' bags an' a woman - we have a party!

They don't want  whitey hanging around. That's what I think it's all about. apartheid.
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Reply #8 - Jun 30th, 2019 at 7:33pm
 
Just the parasites trying, yet again, to make justification for the 30 billion dollars we throw at the worthless creatures every year.

An abbo went into centafink one day
He said "I'm looking for a job"
The centafink worker scanned the area looking for cameras.
"What skills do you have" She asks.
"I can drive, says the abbo"

The centafink worker scanned the papers on her desk, she said
" I have one here for a driver, $100.000.00 a year 3 days a week with free accomodation"
The abbos eyes light up.
"Your kidding" he says

"Well you started it" Said the centalink worker.
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Reply #9 - Jun 30th, 2019 at 7:57pm
 
Isn't Africa for Black people 'only'?
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Reply #10 - Jun 30th, 2019 at 8:07pm
 
I accepted Goodsey into  my mob and tribal lands (NoBo) so why can't that mob allow a few whites on their beach,
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Reply #11 - Jun 30th, 2019 at 8:18pm
 
plenty of racist bitches beaches here
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Reply #12 - Jun 30th, 2019 at 10:39pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 8:18pm:
plenty of racist bitches beaches here


... and all on the side of the perceived wisdom on any issue....  and no way inclusive of any other position ...

Be nice to have an open forum where all views are valued equally..... not just feminist, Aboriginal, ethnic, certain religious, gay alphabet etc .....

Be nice to have a differing view treated as an equal, don' cha think?  You first ......
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Reply #13 - Jun 30th, 2019 at 10:44pm
 
Yeah, mate - Koons, Mussos, Feminos, Woggos - they're all racist, mate.... difference between an advanced culture and their way of seeing things is ..... they don't even see it...

None so blind... like any seriously mentally ill person, they have no concept of anything or anyone else....

How about we give the entire coastline to the Koons on demand - including your house etc... mate???

Betchas the NT Niqqers grab the land and then demand a payment for anyone else to use it... while they go for free...  Christ, you're dumb ....
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Reply #14 - Jun 30th, 2019 at 11:24pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 8:18pm:
plenty of racist bitches beaches here


Where is here and who are you calling a bitch?
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