freediver wrote on Jul 4^th, 2019 at 5:32pm:



'Rationalist' in Islam means a blinkered, black letter fetishist for the Eternal Word. A stickler. A traditionalist means someone sane who recognises that everything, including the Koran, is situated, contingent and subject to the obvious developments brought about by time and changing circumstances.  In Islam, the traditionalists always win because of Mohammed's idiotic pronouncement that the Koran is eternal and unchangeable. And Muslims follow blindly such an idiot  (they have no choice if they want to live) who would say such a thing.

Or the other way around. They are all mad fetishists.

Created or not?

People always looking for an out for islam being what it is today 2019.

Trying to equate Christianity and islam.

Christianity founded by Jesus, who never once killed a man, had sex with a child, thieved lied raped tortured or took part in mass slaughter.

He is regarded as the epitome of truth and righteousness in a human being.

For the first 300 years of Christianity, there were no killings.

Conversely, islam was founded by a practicing mass murderer, thief, liar, pedophile, rapist and torturer.

islam practiced all of the above from it's very first day of existence.

1400 years later what's changed?

Yet the loony leftards and *moderates* snivel around trying to tell us there is no problem with islam.

Question: "What is the gospel of Judas?"

Answer:  Sometime in the 1970s, in a cave in Egypt, a copy of the “Gospel of Judas” was discovered. The circumstances of the discovery have been described as shady, with those who possessed the copy asking for exorbitant amounts of money for the codex. For decades, no institution was willing to pay for the purchase due to its dubious origins.

The dating of the original writing of the Gospel of Judas is thought to be about AD 150, with the Egyptian codex dating from the late 3rd century. According to various accounts, up to one third of the codex is missing or illegible.

the only reference to the Gospel of Judas was in the writings of a 2nd-century Christian named Irenaeus. Irenaeus essentially wrote that the Gospel of Judas was the “invented history” of a long line of heretics and rebels against God.

The Gospel of Judas is a Gnostic gospel, espousing a Gnostic viewpoint of Christianity. The Gospel of Judas is simply a heretical forgery, much the same as the Gospel of Thomas, the Gospel of Mary, and the Gospel of Philip. Just as Judas Iscariot rejected Jesus and betrayed Him with a kiss, the Gospel of Judas rejects the true gospel and truth of God with a fraudulent appearance of validity.

What happened to it?

I suppose the same thing as happens to all frauds, relegated to the rubbish bin.

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Only to Judas?

If it was Jesus’ plan for Judas to betray Him, why would Jesus label Judas the “son of perdition” (John 17:12) and state that it would have been better if Judas had never been born (Matthew 26:24)? If Judas were simply following Jesus’ instructions, why would he commit suicide once he saw that Jesus was condemned (Matthew 27:5)?

moses wrote on Jul 5^th, 2019 at 2:28pm:



The main problem is the concept of martyrdom.

That doesn't exist in any other religion I am aware of.

Because there will always be a few nutters who become extremist in any ideology.

I suppose a few nutter Christians might gun down an abortion clinic doctor.

Misguided fools but they undoubtedly think they are saving unborn souls and acting in a righteous way.

But a Muslim who is a misguided fool might self detonate amongst a crowd of little kids , believing in exactly the same way that he is acting righteously.

These aren't oppressed Palestinians doing it for political reasons.
These are well educated well off often 2 nd or 3rd generation Muslim kids doing it for ideological reasons.

We really need to root out an evil idea like martyrdom.

There would actually be no shortage of people infected with this bad idea who would see nothing wrong with detonating a nuclear weapon amongst the infidels.
Why would they if they seriously believe paradise awaits them

That's one very dangerous idea.
The blind shiek , bin laden, al zakowi, all of these guys would be up for it.

To not understand that and try to educate people out of that is as about as bad an idea as it is possible to have .
It is wilful blindness.

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What I find interesting is your behaviour regarding the various writings of eons ago.

If I read you right you're trying to tell us that unaccepted writings which oppose the recognized book are the true version.

The accepted book presents Christianity as a religion of peace love and righteousness, isn't that what you would expect it to do?

Why are you telling us that the Christian doctrine should be as evil as islam?

islamic doctrine is depraved and degenerate, Christian doctrine is totally the opposite.

But you're apologizing for islamic depravity by saying that Christian doctrine should be just as evil as islam is, but the Christians cut all the bad bits out.

Well why don't you get your sicko muzzie friends to do the same with the qur'an?

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As I see it the plan of God for the salvation of the souls of men, has come and been fulfilled as planned.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 5^th, 2019 at 11:32am:


But still, for Muslims, they are the good guys.

Did they kill any of them? Muslims normally mean death when they talk about martyrdom.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 5^th, 2019 at 9:02pm:


You didn't answer the question Gandalf.