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Reply #15 - Jun 27th, 2019 at 10:35pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 27th, 2019 at 10:31pm:
Well ..... the beautiful, peace-loving, flower-sniffing Nipponese did attack the British and French Empires and the Chinese ....... I suppose that somehow made them the enemy of Australia, given their rapid southward advance..... they also attacked and sank Australian ships and killed many civilians and soldiers in Malaya ..... including female nurses massacred ... and then committed atrocities countless along the way, such as beheading missionaries on New Guinea's north coast in front of their children before doing the same to those children, not to mention murdering Australians captured on The Trail and at Milne Bay etc, and beheading captured airmen...

If the beautiful, peace-loving, flower-sniffing Nipponese hadn't attacked the Chinese - killing millions, attacked US warships on Chinese territory, steadily advanced and taken over more and more territory in a clear move to control the entire Asian-Pacific Basin, and clearly positioned themselves to achieve just that ........ and then hadn't attacked Pearl Harbour, The Philippines and Shanghai, Hong Kong, Malaya and the Dutch East Indies ... they would not have been bombed back to the Dark Ages that they just emerged from...

I suppose to the discerning eye that could create certain comparisons with modern-day Imperialist Neo-Mandarin Expansionist China.... but don't let me hold you back - you were going so well there for a moment....


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Reply #16 - Jun 27th, 2019 at 10:37pm
 
Aussie wrote on Jun 27th, 2019 at 10:01pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 27th, 2019 at 9:27pm:
Aussie wrote on Jun 27th, 2019 at 9:13pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 27th, 2019 at 9:04pm:
Aussie wrote on Jun 27th, 2019 at 8:31pm:
I have been sniffing around this stuff to get some research to toss at some Yanks at a Yank Forum.

Fact is that Pearl Harbour was not some aggressive action against the US by the Japs to take America.  It seems it was an attempt, after years of frustration, to get the yoke of US economic sanctions off their back.

Reminiscent, anyone?

Anyway, how did we get involved?  Why did the Japs attack us?

Well....we declared War on them on the 9th December, 1941 after Pearl Harbour.  They had never attacked us or our interests prior.

Their first attack on us was at Darwin on the 10th February 1942.

And on.........



So the Japs bombed Pearl Harbour in order to normalise trade with the US?


You tell me Effendi.  I am not the font of all wisdom or tactics.

What is your explanation for that attack, Effendi?


It was a world war. They wanted to get first strike on the US. I guess they didn't believe the US was going to sit it out.

Do you think an effort to normalise trade is even a plausible explanation?


Not a World War at all.  Sure, Europe was having a War, even Japan was invading and pissing off China...and the US was strangling them with economic schit.  Just like they are now with Iran.

Obviously, Pearl Harbour was a massive mistake...but it did not just happen for no 'good' reason, and it sure did not happen with the Japs thinking they could take the USA.


Japan had signed a treaty of co-operation with Nazi Germany and Italy............... looks like their intentions were pretty clear....

Does it matter to you that the Japanese used Indian prisoners for target and bayonet practice after capture under some delusion of racial superiority*?

*methinks most of you need to look closely at the Grappler concept of Wars of National Inferiority Complex - as hinted at in the homework I posted earlier..... I think that if you do you will see a bright dawning of reality for the future of the world you know.....

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Reply #17 - Jun 27th, 2019 at 10:56pm
 
Aussie wrote on Jun 27th, 2019 at 8:31pm:
Fact is that Pearl Harbour was not some aggressive action against the US by the Japs to take America.  It seems it was an attempt, after years of frustration, to get the yoke of US economic sanctions off their back.



The US didn't like Japan going into China so sanctions were imposed. But besides China, the Japs wanted to expand further south and south west. The Japs knew the US was unprepared for war but the US had war ships that could menace Japans efforts to take more islands and small nations in the south and south west Pacific

Pearl Harbour was just to knock out the US war ships. Japan was not worried about sanctions, they were going to get oil and rubber from Asia, booty from conquests

The US would have learned a lesson from imposing those sanctions - to have a sizable military ready to act at a moments notice, just in case the sanctioned nation acted militarily against the them and/or other US friendly nations .... How prepared is the US military today?

It wasn't till the following April in 1942 did the US do something about the pesky Japanese - the Doolittle raid. In the meantime, Japan was invading Malaysia, Formosa, Hong Kong etc
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Reply #18 - Jun 27th, 2019 at 11:06pm
 
Any of this ringing any alarm bells for any of you yet?

Mid-Term assignment, due 18th June. 10% of total final mark (we mark hard at Grappler Free U - the REAL U).

Read the following excerpt from -
Blossoms In the Wind - Human Legacies of the Kamikaze , M.G Sheftall.


a. Determine and explain  the underlying factors in generation of a group psyche as described in the excerpt.

b.  Seek similar group psyches occurring today, discover their root causes, expound on those in comparison with that shown by Sheftall as pertaining to pre-WW II Japanese society.

c.  Consider the effect of the same values ascribed to the West by such 'new' groups in the development and continuation of such group psyches - define the group(s) you are considering.

d.  Is the West, therefore, condemned to fight an endless series of wars, due to the group psyches developed as described.....and if so .. what is the level of preparedness, both physically and spiritually, of the West?

"Educated Japanese males of Onishi's generation who had spent their time living and studying in the West - especially America - tended to harbour extreme feelings at both ends of a love-hate continuum toward their former hosts and teachers, ranging from unabashed schoolboy hero worship to utter repulsion fueled by a desperate need to believe in their own racial and cultural superiority.  The emotional packages of most comprised a tortuous Freudian melange of admiration and inferiority complex: a healthy respect for the Westerner's technological prowess, material abundance and sheer physical size; disdain for their shameless materialism, their smug, easy pride, their maddeningly nonchalant tolerance of disorder, their racist immigrant legislation and the woeful history of the American Negro.  Not to mention the poisonous, half-buried memories of patronising cocktail party slights ("Oh, your English is excellent.  Were you taught by missionaries?"), sneering hotel clerks, withering locker room anxiety, and the impotent rage of coming home to see giggling Japanese girls on the arms of strapping white men in the streets of the larger port cities.  Just as everyone tapping pointers on maps in the war rooms of Tokyo and cutting orders for young men to die at the front carried his own personal portfolio of similar psychological baggage regarding Westerners, none of them ever really expected the nation to win its duel to the death with the West - win, that is, in the sense of Japanese troops marching down Pennsylvania Avenue and pitching their tents on the White House lawn.  Nor did they see the war as being pursued primarily for the practical strategic objectives of securing vital industrial resources and fuel.  Seeing it in such simple terms was to confuse means with ends.

The goal, really, had always been, first and foremost, to humble the West - to daub the teacher's face with mud - by kicking the white man out of Asia and bringing about an end, once and for all, win or lose, of what former Prime Minister Konoe had so aptly termed Anglo-Saxon global hegemony.  The Caucasian bogeyman - and the unspeakable fear that he might really be the superior being he seemed to think himself - had whispered in the ear and haunted the nightmares of the Japanese psyche for the last ninety years, since Commodore Matthew C Perry's Black Ships first fouled the waters of Uraga Bay, humiliating the nation by forcing it to accommodate to Americans and their insulting demands."


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Reply #20 - Jun 28th, 2019 at 1:18am
 
I had the impression that Japan attacked Darwin because the USA had their navy there at the time.
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Reply #21 - Jun 28th, 2019 at 2:14am
 
Aussie wrote on Jun 27th, 2019 at 10:01pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 27th, 2019 at 9:27pm:
Aussie wrote on Jun 27th, 2019 at 9:13pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 27th, 2019 at 9:04pm:
Aussie wrote on Jun 27th, 2019 at 8:31pm:
I have been sniffing around this stuff to get some research to toss at some Yanks at a Yank Forum.

Fact is that Pearl Harbour was not some aggressive action against the US by the Japs to take America.  It seems it was an attempt, after years of frustration, to get the yoke of US economic sanctions off their back.

Reminiscent, anyone?

Anyway, how did we get involved?  Why did the Japs attack us?

Well....we declared War on them on the 9th December, 1941 after Pearl Harbour.  They had never attacked us or our interests prior.

Their first attack on us was at Darwin on the 10th February 1942.

And on.........



So the Japs bombed Pearl Harbour in order to normalise trade with the US?


You tell me Effendi.  I am not the font of all wisdom or tactics.

What is your explanation for that attack, Effendi?


It was a world war. They wanted to get first strike on the US. I guess they didn't believe the US was going to sit it out.

Do you think an effort to normalise trade is even a plausible explanation?


Not a World War at all.  Sure, Europe was having a War, even Japan was invading and pissing off China...and the US was strangling them with economic schit.  Just like they are now with Iran.

Obviously, Pearl Harbour was a massive mistake...but it did not just happen for no 'good' reason, and it sure did not happen with the Japs thinking they could take the USA.


So WWII was not a world war?

Do you think an effort to normalise trade is even a plausible explanation?

What was the "good" reason for Pearl Harbour?
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Reply #23 - Jun 28th, 2019 at 12:20pm
 
Well....... I suppose the Darwin bombings could have been in retaliation for the sneak attack on Kyoto Harbour by the RAN and its fleet of carriers.......... wait a minute.... ummmmm...
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Reply #24 - Jun 28th, 2019 at 12:40pm
 
Bias_2012 wrote on Jun 27th, 2019 at 10:56pm:
Aussie wrote on Jun 27th, 2019 at 8:31pm:
Fact is that Pearl Harbour was not some aggressive action against the US by the Japs to take America.  It seems it was an attempt, after years of frustration, to get the yoke of US economic sanctions off their back.


The US didn't like Japan going into China so sanctions were imposed. But besides China, the Japs wanted to expand further south and south west. The Japs knew the US was unprepared for war but the US had war ships that could menace Japans efforts to take more islands and small nations in the south and south west Pacific

Pearl Harbour was just to knock out the US war ships. Japan was not worried about sanctions, they were going to get oil and rubber from Asia, booty from conquests


Japanese war aims were a little more obscure than that.  The Japanese actually weren't interested initially in going anywhere, other than into Manchuria and from there, into Siberia.  Japan had plans to invade or more appropriately, re-invade the fUSSR.  Japan had been the last non-Communist interventionary force to vacate the newly establish fUSSR when it finally left in 1928 from Vladivostok.  The UK, France, US and Japan had all in turn and basically seperatedly had invaded the fUSSR in 1918.   They all eventually left because of domestic and international pressure to do so.

The Japanese decision to go south did not occur until about 6 months before the outbreak of the war in the Pacific.   The Japanese decision was prompted by the US, UK and Dutch decisions to cut off oil to Japan until it withdrew from China.   Indeed, the Imperial Japanese Army had not started training in Jungle Warfare until the decision to go south was made.

Japan had about 18 months of oil in reserve,  six months if intensive combat operations were undertaken.  Without oil, the Japanese economy would grind to a halt.   The Japanese knew that the US would more than likely intervene if they were to attack the Dutch East Indies and Malaya in order to secure raw materials for themselves.  So, the decision was also made to attack the US fleet at Pearl Harbor.   Yamamoto came up with the plan to attack it in harbour, based upon the British attack at Taranto in Italy.  If you ever watch the movie "Tora! Tora! Tora!" It is all explained in the first 20 minutes.   For those more interested in the real history, there are numerous books on the topic.

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The US would have learned a lesson from imposing those sanctions - to have a sizable military ready to act at a moments notice, just in case the sanctioned nation acted militarily against the them and/or other US friendly nations .... How prepared is the US military today?


Well, the US Navy was readied for war up to three months before the outbreak of war.  It was patrolling to the North and West of Hawaii.  However, with the approach of winter and a need to refurbish it's patrol units, the US Navy stood down it's patrols to the North, considering the North Pacific to become too rough for fleet operations.  Guess where the Japanese fleet attacked from?  The North.  It crossed the North Pacific before the real rough weather and caught the US fleet unawares.

The surprise attack horrified the United States.  It lives with the legacy of that attack today.  It was reinforced by the Cold War and the fear of the ability of the fUSSR to mount a surprise attack on the US.  This is why the US maintains a large body of troops, ships and aircraft at a high level of readiness.   It was why it was able to respond so rapidly to the first Gulf War but even then, they had to wait three months for the weather to turn in their favour before mounting an offensive operation against the Iraqis.

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It wasn't till the following April in 1942 did the US do something about the pesky Japanese - the Doolittle raid. In the meantime, Japan was invading Malaysia, Formosa, Hong Kong etc 


It wasn't until April 1942 that the weather in the North Pacific had improved sufficiently to allow the US Navy to mount an operation against the Japanese home islands.   Weather plays a much larger role than you appear to understand or believe in military operations.   Roll Eyes

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Reply #25 - Jun 28th, 2019 at 12:42pm
 
Jasin wrote on Jun 27th, 2019 at 8:45pm:
So the fact that Australian Military is nothing more than just a MERCENARY force on behalf of the UK & USA - has just dawned on you?

Listen, of all the guns that John Howard collected. Only 2% were destroyed (and filmed for Propaganda) -
the rest were sent to Papua New Guinea.



Link - or did you just make that up?
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Reply #26 - Jun 28th, 2019 at 12:43pm
 
Aussie wrote on Jun 27th, 2019 at 8:31pm:
I have been sniffing around this stuff to get some research to toss at some Yanks at a Yank Forum.

Fact is that Pearl Harbour was not some aggressive action against the US by the Japs to take America.  It seems it was an attempt, after years of frustration, to get the yoke of US economic sanctions off their back.

Reminiscent, anyone?

Anyway, how did we get involved?  Why did the Japs attack us?

Well....we declared War on them on the 9th December, 1941 after Pearl Harbour.  They had never attacked us or our interests prior.

Their first attack on us was at Darwin on the 10th February 1942.

And on.........




Why were the sanctions applied?
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Reply #27 - Jun 28th, 2019 at 1:21pm
 
Aussie wrote on Jun 27th, 2019 at 8:31pm:
I have been sniffing around this stuff to get some research to toss at some Yanks at a Yank Forum.

Fact is that Pearl Harbour was not some aggressive action against the US by the Japs to take America.  It seems it was an attempt, after years of frustration, to get the yoke of US economic sanctions off their back.

Reminiscent, anyone?

Anyway, how did we get involved?  Why did the Japs attack us?

Well....we declared War on them on the 9th December, 1941 after Pearl Harbour.  They had never attacked us or our interests prior.

Their first attack on us was at Darwin on the 10th February 1942.

And on.........



Absolutely nonsense from an idiot...........the Jap carrier fleet were on their way to Hawaii whilst the Jap representatives were round the table with the American negotiators in Washington. They timed the attack to coincide with the US Pacific Fleet being anchored in Pearl Harbor.......and their representatives fuqqing off out of the US...........you prick.
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Reply #28 - Jun 28th, 2019 at 1:23pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jun 28th, 2019 at 12:43pm:
Aussie wrote on Jun 27th, 2019 at 8:31pm:
I have been sniffing around this stuff to get some research to toss at some Yanks at a Yank Forum.

Fact is that Pearl Harbour was not some aggressive action against the US by the Japs to take America.  It seems it was an attempt, after years of frustration, to get the yoke of US economic sanctions off their back.

Reminiscent, anyone?

Anyway, how did we get involved?  Why did the Japs attack us?

Well....we declared War on them on the 9th December, 1941 after Pearl Harbour.  They had never attacked us or our interests prior.

Their first attack on us was at Darwin on the 10th February 1942.

And on.........




Why were the sanctions applied?


Read Mr Ross's Post ^^^^^^.
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Reply #29 - Jun 28th, 2019 at 1:44pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jun 28th, 2019 at 12:40pm:
It wasn't until April 1942 that the weather in the North Pacific had improved sufficiently to allow the US Navy to mount an operation against the Japanese home islands.   Weather plays a much larger role than you appear to understand or believe in military operations.



So you think that if the weather was favorable that Doolittle could have set out for Japan the day after Pearl Harbour? No they couldn't, it took time to train aircrews to take off from a carrier, and the planning of the operation itself would have taken months

At the time of the attack on Pearl Harbour, Americans were still in the frame of mind to stay out of war, so their military had been neglected. Pearl Harbour changed that and the US went on full war footing, but it couldn't be done overnight. The Doolittle raid was only to boost morale in the US and did nothing of consequence to Japan.

After that, it was not until August '42 did they land on Guadalcanal, and February '43 before taking the Island, one year and three months after the Pearl Harbour attack
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