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Re: The government is lying to us about the economy
Reply #15 - Jun 24th, 2019 at 8:06pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 24th, 2019 at 7:53pm:
Have the Governor General sack the Morrison (corrupt & inept) Government.


That would require Labor to do that. Wink
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Reply #16 - Jun 24th, 2019 at 8:15pm
 
lee wrote on Jun 24th, 2019 at 8:06pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 24th, 2019 at 7:53pm:
Have the Governor General sack the Morrison (corrupt & inept) Government.


That would require Labor to do that. Wink


Ah, no.

The Labor Party can't sack the Morrison Government.

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Reply #17 - Jun 24th, 2019 at 8:55pm
 
minarchist wrote on Jun 24th, 2019 at 11:35am:
SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 24th, 2019 at 7:45am:
We need real leadership and they're asleep at the wheel, doing the same old same old and when things do get tough, rather than following Labor's example from the GFC, they'll try the normal trickle down nonsense that will just make things worse and then they'll try austerity measure which will only greatly compound the problem.

It's obvious, but there is too much politics, in politics.


What do you suggest should be done to turn the economy around?


We have only just voted to pass on the opportunity to remove the worst economic managers the country has seen in many decades. Now is the time to bend over and smile or grimace either way you know whats coming.
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Reply #18 - Jun 24th, 2019 at 8:59pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 24th, 2019 at 8:15pm:
Ah, no.

The Labor Party can't sack the Morrison Government.


Someone, and only the Labor Party is in the position to do so, would need to approach the Governor General.

They would need to show that there is little likelihood of the Government passing supply Bills or similar. The Government won't won't put themselves in that position.
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Reply #19 - Jun 24th, 2019 at 9:33pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jun 24th, 2019 at 6:48pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Jun 24th, 2019 at 3:36pm:
minarchist wrote on Jun 24th, 2019 at 11:35am:
SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 24th, 2019 at 7:45am:
We need real leadership and they're asleep at the wheel, doing the same old same old and when things do get tough, rather than following Labor's example from the GFC, they'll try the normal trickle down nonsense that will just make things worse and then they'll try austerity measure which will only greatly compound the problem.

It's obvious, but there is too much politics, in politics.


What do you suggest should be done to turn the economy around?


For a start ban lawyers and career politicians from politics. They can have an advisory role only but cannot call the shots on policy. All polies must have run a business or worked in private enterprise for a while. The industry and science minister should have a degree in science, physics, engineering or some related degree etc. Same with the environment minister etc

Also limit access to outside consultants such as KPMG, Ernst and Young, Deloitte and the rest of the parasitic vermin etc and put a stop the gravy train that goes with it. Over 3.5 billion spent in the last 10 years on outside consultants to write up lame reports that favour the outcomes of the politicians. If polies or the public servants can't do the job then they should be sacked. Stop feeding these consultant parasites.

The job network should be disbanded and the money saved should be used to support local industry to create real jobs ! Secondly NO money should directly go to foreign corporations. They can have a slice of the action but shouldn't be the front runners in any government assistance.



Hi Nail,
That will never happen.
Wouldn't you like one of those cushy jobs?
You'd be on easy street.


Not really because I would have to write lies that the pollies want me to write. Only losers take on these jobs.
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Re: The government is lying to us about the economy
Reply #20 - Jun 25th, 2019 at 8:32am
 
lee wrote on Jun 24th, 2019 at 8:59pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 24th, 2019 at 8:15pm:
Ah, no.

The Labor Party can't sack the Morrison Government.


Someone, and only the Labor Party is in the position to do so, would need to approach the Governor General.

They would need to show that there is little likelihood of the Government passing supply Bills or similar. The Government won't won't put themselves in that position.


That's interesting Lee. Tell me now what happened to Whitlams government? Did the libs approach the GG? I'm interested.
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Reply #21 - Jun 25th, 2019 at 9:55am
 
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Reply #22 - Jun 25th, 2019 at 5:56pm
 
The economy appears to have been a deciding issue in the election so the fact that Morrison was able to win without a semblance of an economic policy is a testament to the fear campaign used. Think franking credits for example.

The Parliamentary Budget Office confirmed that 92 per cent of Australians will be unaffected by Labor’s proposed changes to franking credits. This leaves eight per cent who are likely to be affected, and with all pensioners exempt (along with not-for-profit institutions and self-managed super funds with a pension recipient), this left a very tiny cohort whose income would have been curtailed. Which is surprising given the outcry we heard about the proposal.

Removing franking credits from non pensioners would have been good for two reasons. fiscal responsibility and intergenerational equity.

The cost of the franking credit cash refund introduced by the Howard Government in 2001 was originally manageable, costing the nation $550 million per year.

Fast forward to 2014 when, according to Treasury, it cost us $6 billion per year and is projected to increase to $8 billion per year over the next few years.

Not only do these ballooning costs make retiree credits totally unaffordable, they are also inequitable when they are paid to a handful of retirees who comprise some of the wealthiest households in the nation, while the vast bulk of retirees miss out on this largesse.

One estimate (reported by Duncan Hughes in the Australian Financial Review on 12 March) states that there was a “record $16 billion of franking credits from the latest earnings season, a jump of about 45 per cent compared with the previous period”. Sixteen. Billion. Dollars.

Surely the projected $16 billion used for ‘non-pensioner’ retiree cash rebates could be better spent on home ownership incentives for this generation of taxpayers. At least they are contributing tax, while the recipients of cash rebates most often do not.

Morrison and his team should be thinking about policies to improve productivity growth and low wages, which are central to lifting our economic performance. But in these critical areas, Morrison offers a policy vacuum.

Instead the Coalition is pinning all its hopes on tax cuts. It can be expected to quickly legislate the tax cuts that both sides of politics promised before the election. These immediate tax cuts will provide a boost for low and middle-income earners over the next three years, and this will help sustain aggregate demand.

In the longer term, however, Morrison is only promising further tax relief for high income earners.

Morrison’s proudest boast of returning the Budget to surplus, will require an incredible degree of future expenditure restraint, with real government payments only projected to increase at an annual rate of only 1.3 per cent over the next four years. In the unlikely event that this expenditure restraint can be sustained, that in itself is likely to damage the productive capacity of the economy, as it will require inadequate expenditure on research, education and training.

The Coalition needs to think of some policies quickly before we all go over the cliff.
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Quoth the Raven "Nevermore"

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Reply #23 - Jun 25th, 2019 at 6:48pm
 
Raven wrote on Jun 25th, 2019 at 5:56pm:
The Parliamentary Budget Office confirmed that 92 per cent of Australians will be unaffected by Labor’s proposed changes to franking credits.


8 % affected? Why worry? Oh that's right, they didn't.

So 13.5 million individuals and only 8% affected.
Only 1 million taxpayers. Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Re: The government is lying to us about the economy
Reply #24 - Jun 25th, 2019 at 6:53pm
 
lee wrote on Jun 25th, 2019 at 6:48pm:
Raven wrote on Jun 25th, 2019 at 5:56pm:
The Parliamentary Budget Office confirmed that 92 per cent of Australians will be unaffected by Labor’s proposed changes to franking credits.


8 % affected? Why worry? Oh that's right, they didn't.

So 13.5 million individuals and only 8% affected.
Only 1 million taxpayers. Grin Grin Grin Grin

Got any proof that they all pay tax? What taxes specifically?
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Reply #25 - Jun 25th, 2019 at 6:57pm
 
Bam wrote on Jun 25th, 2019 at 6:53pm:
Got any proof that they all pay tax?


That is the definition of "taxpayer". Wink

Bam wrote on Jun 25th, 2019 at 6:53pm:
What taxes specifically?


Raven wrote on Jun 25th, 2019 at 5:56pm:
The Parliamentary Budget Office confirmed that 92 per cent of Australians will be unaffected by Labor’s proposed changes to franking credits.



That leaves 8% affected. Wink
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Reply #26 - Jun 25th, 2019 at 7:05pm
 
lee wrote on Jun 25th, 2019 at 6:57pm:
Bam wrote on Jun 25th, 2019 at 6:53pm:
Got any proof that they all pay tax?


That is the definition of "taxpayer". Wink

Bam wrote on Jun 25th, 2019 at 6:53pm:
What taxes specifically?


Raven wrote on Jun 25th, 2019 at 5:56pm:
The Parliamentary Budget Office confirmed that 92 per cent of Australians will be unaffected by Labor’s proposed changes to franking credits.



That leaves 8% affected. Wink


The first politician to bring up franking credits as an unaffordable problem that had to be fixed was Tony Abbott.

People like Lee would have been dancing in the streets in favour of franking credit cuts had the Liberals been doing it.

When did a Liberal ever care about 8% of tax payers they don't give a rats about 80% of them or more
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Re: The government is lying to us about the economy
Reply #27 - Jun 25th, 2019 at 7:08pm
 
lee wrote on Jun 25th, 2019 at 6:57pm:
Bam wrote on Jun 25th, 2019 at 6:53pm:
Got any proof that they all pay tax?


That is the definition of "taxpayer". Wink

So no proof then. Just circular arguments.
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Re: The government is lying to us about the economy
Reply #28 - Jun 25th, 2019 at 7:33pm
 
Bam wrote on Jun 25th, 2019 at 7:08pm:
So no proof then. Just circular arguments.

Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

Raven supplied the quote about taxpayers Ask her Wink

Poor intellectually bereft Bammy.
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Re: The government is lying to us about the economy
Reply #29 - Jun 25th, 2019 at 7:57pm
 
lee wrote on Jun 25th, 2019 at 7:33pm:
Bam wrote on Jun 25th, 2019 at 7:08pm:
So no proof then. Just circular arguments.

Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

Raven supplied the quote about taxpayers Ask her Wink

Poor intellectually bereft Bammy.

Ducking the issue twice and making personal attacks. That means you've run out of arguments. I accept your surrender.
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