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Jun 22nd, 2019 at 8:30am
 
So few characters and so many potential topic headings.  So I opted for 'Murder's Not Bad' over 'The Law's An Arse', although 'Women Don't Matter' or 'Why Even Have Laws' would have been equally appropriate

Yep. I'm angry and things need to damn well change as I'm sure most of us here and nationwide, would agree

So what is it this time?  How will the forum virtue signallers twist this in order to excuse the creeps? 

In short, a pudding-faced nobody in West Australia killed his wife, his mother in law and his three kids in cold blood.  He planned to kill his father too, from memory, although in order to minimise his crimes, the media and google seem to have lost many of the details.  If someone remembers them or is up to finding them, great

Pudding-face wrote a 'manifesto'.  Getting to be a familiar term, first popularised post 2000 in the NZ case

but basically, Pudding Face wrote a to-do list.  And the link provides a partial of that

His wife was several years older than he. She'd been a nurse and it's my recollection she owned the house they lived in

in quick succession, they had three children, including twins

despite her heavy domestic work-load, she worked part time at Coles

Pudding Face worked also ... details in link

At 23, he was sick of it.  Sick of his life.  Wanted a new one.  Details in link

He was burning his way through $300 a week, or maybe a day, on drugs.  So she was running a household, raising three toddlers and also working at Coles to subsidise his drug habit

On the day appointed by Pudding Face for the murders, he thumped her in the head with an iron bar when she came home from work and stabbed her repeatedly

he went to his children's room and stabbed them repeatedly

he remained inside the home with the bodies until a day or so later and despatched his mother in law -- same method as that used on his wife

he remained in the home with the bodies of his wife, mother in law and three children for several days before setting off for his father's place

He'd managed prior to the murders to get his wife to go to the bank to sign a document authorising him to access her bank account containing $38,000, details in link

Now those in the legal industry are deciding whether or not he should be sentenced to life imprisonment without possibility of parole.  Atrocious murders in the recent past resulted in such a sentence being a possibility

Pudding Face's solicitor believes the murderer is 'young' to be sentenced to a whole life punishment.  And as is becoming increasingly common, it's been hinted Pudding Face may have a touch of autism.  And possibly narcissistic personality disorder.  And no doubt the use of drugs stands a chance of being thrown in as mitigation also

In the linked article you will find reference to other sickening atrocities to have occurred in the past decade or two in Western Australia, with 98% of victims being, as expected, female.  Females butchered and raped

One of those cases, graphically described in a documentary hosted by Steve Liebman, was so bad that the West Oz government held secret meetings at night in secret places.  According to Liebman, the government was terrified that if the details emerged and the public got wind, it would result in the reintroduction of the death penalty.  Many details have never been released

in brief, a young guy from Qld. travelled to West Oz to get to know his mother.  She'd shot through and he'd been raised by his grandmother.  In West Oz, his mother was raising two sisters he'd never known.  They lived in a fairly isolated old farmhouse.  One night, the entire family was slaughtered.  The mother and two little girls had been raped and the teenage son visiting from Qld had been shot in the driveway.  Full details have never been released

The police finally nabbed the killer.  He was a young guy who worked for a local farmer.  The killer was so trusted by his employers that they'd treated him as a son and he'd spent lots of unsupervised time with the family which included young kids.  They'd had no idea what he was capable of

originally, that killer was sentenced to full life term, but as we're coming to expect more and more of late, there's been argy bargy ever since, apparently, as to possibly releasing him

I mean, he and Pudding Face are so young, right?  Are we a compassionate society if we choose to keep killers behind bars when they could be out there windsurfing and having a family and saving for trips to Disneyland?


Always winding it backwards when it comes to sentencing and incerceration

the victims are dead and they suffered a nightmare before they breathed their last.  But they're dead, ok?  And most of them were female.  Are we a progressive society or are we still bound by old-fashioned notions of punishment?


So what if you kill a few?  Why harp on about it?  Aren't we entitled to a fresh start?  What's the point of keeping killers locked up?  How's that going to help?  Doesn't it mean we're wasting even more lives -- those of the killed followed by those of the killers?


Why waste so much public money on police and investigators?  Why spend millions on drawn out trials when it's all just theatre and we all know the legal industry is going to release them as soon as public memory fades and/or equally sickening killings grab the headlines?

just let them go, eh?

They made a few mistakes, but does that mean they're bad?

Close the prisons and let's all go outside and smell the roses
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Reply #1 - Jun 22nd, 2019 at 8:31am
 
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Reply #2 - Jun 22nd, 2019 at 9:15am
 
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And here's another from our daily fare:

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The attacker was jailed for a minimum of five and a half years.

With time already served he could be out in two



All he did was kill someone !


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John Hill had just left his home to go about his day when he was knocked out at Surry Hills, his head hitting the concrete.

Peter Hill punched and kicked him causing him to fall backwards and strike his head


Killer and victim shared the same surname, no relation though -- were total strangers

Why did it  happen ?

Well, the killer, Peter Hill, told officers the victim had a plan from the start to disrupt him.

Two months earlier Peter Hill (the killer) had told a therapist he had thoughts of killing people that had wronged him.

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That medical professional decided not to admit the schizophrenic (the killer, Peter Hill)

There have been lost opportunities to diagnose and properly treat his mental illness, Justice Lerace said.

This was the latest on many occasions during his life he had been recommended anti-psychotic medication, but declined to take it


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The victim's sister sobbed about the lenient sentence


So there you go.  The killer is nuts.  He refuses to take medication.  Even when he confides beforehand that he's planning to hurt random people, no one admits him to the loony bin

So off he goes and kills someone


When arrested, the psycho killer claimed the victim had planned to disrupt him

Disrupt him how?   By walking on the footpath on the way to work of course


And in two years, the psycho killer will be back on footpaths, free as a bird


so I don't know how you're going to manage it, but you'd better make sure you don't share a footpath with a psycho killer who refuses to be medicated --- and the mental health professionals are fine with that
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Reply #3 - Jun 22nd, 2019 at 9:56am
 
you cant dwell on this pz... each state has its own ideas on what a life sentence means....and who it applies too..

are we doing enough to find the reason behind these murders...why are whole families killed  what mindset does a father.. or mother have when they do this....

we have now whats called character profiling

so where is the link??..what do they have in common...  we can lock them up and throw away the key... but it doesnt stop it happening does it?
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Reply #4 - Jun 22nd, 2019 at 10:50am
 
cods wrote on Jun 22nd, 2019 at 9:56am:
you cant dwell on this pz... each state has its own ideas on what a life sentence means....and who it applies too..

are we doing enough to find the reason behind these murders...why are whole families killed  what mindset does a father.. or mother have when they do this....

we have now whats called character profiling

so where is the link??..what do they have in common...  we can lock them up and throw away the key... but it doesnt stop it happening does it?



No, it doesn't stop it happening

My concern lies as much with the lenient sentencing, parole, reduced sentences, etc.

not much deterrent if a killer's legal rep can argue 'mental illness' or drugs or 'unhappy childhood' or ethnicity or alcohol or stress etc etc as mitigating circumstances -- all of which are becoming increasingly common

If killers such as the Surry Hills psycho can kill a random stranger dead and be sentenced to five and a half years leading to being back out on the street within two years after failure on the part of mental health professionals and the right of psychos to decline to be medicated --- then we're just meat on the street and potential dead bodies waiting to happen

So while we cannot 'stop it happening', the very least we should be able to expect is for proven killers and psychos to be removed FROM society as a modicum of prevention

but no, the emphasis these days appears to be compassion for the killers and dismissal of the victims

unless we put pressure on government who are responsible for legislating sentencing tariffs, it will continue as now.  And that's not good enough nor fair return for the monies taken from us compulsorily in the form of taxes



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Reply #5 - Jun 22nd, 2019 at 11:22am
 
Was it a cultural emergency?

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Reply #6 - Jun 22nd, 2019 at 11:29am
 
We already know that smoking weed, recording TV shows, and vagrancy are much more serious crimes than murder.

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Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 22nd, 2019 at 11:29am:
We already know that smoking weed, recording TV shows, and vagrancy are much more serious crimes than murder.

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Not to mention prison for disseminating the 'manifesto' allegedly penned by the NZ massacre-er

two years prison for putting the 'manifesto' or whatever online compared to the release in two years of an acknowledged psycho and proven killer in Surry Hills
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Reply #8 - Jun 22nd, 2019 at 12:35pm
 
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guess we'll have to get up to speed with the mitigating circumstances manual


In the case of the West Oz family killer, it was a 'change of lifestyle imperative'

in the case of the West Oz slayer of a woman and her three kids, it would probably fall under the 'Kill for Kicks' category


Young guy kicked to death by three bikies in today's news falls under the 'Mistaken Identity Murder' category and the killer, found guilty but still to be sentenced, felt it should be classified as 'manslaughter'


Hundreds of course fall under the, 'Well, She Was Only a Woman' classification


and not sure how they're going to categorise the man whose body was flung into a excrement filled sewer tank.  Maybe 'suicide'?  Won't know until they find the killer/s


We vent our disgust at lenient sentences against the judges, but they say they are only allowed to sentence within prescribed formula.  And they say it's the government -- you know, those supposed to serve the people, for the people -- who do the prescribing


We lose a hundred or so Aussie military in each of the overseas-orchestrated wars and bemoan every one

meanwhile, at home, people are murdered, literally, every day.  And it's just 'oh, another one' if we think about it at all



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Reply #9 - Jun 22nd, 2019 at 1:06pm
 
I wonder just how lenient judges woukd be if it were they who were being murdered.

Or how much interest politicians would have if someone decided to put down politicians?

Perhaps, just perhaps, the best way to get the politicians attention and COMPASSION about returned soldiers.
Would be for said returned soldiers to start targeting politicians rather than topping themselves.

Death by police, but only after taking out several worthless and seriously expensive politicians.

How long do you recon it would be before they started trying to help soldiers rather than ignoring them or making it impossible to get the help they deserve.

And the plus side
Less politicians sucking Australian taxpayers dry.
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Reply #10 - Jun 22nd, 2019 at 1:14pm
 
Valkie wrote on Jun 22nd, 2019 at 1:06pm:
I wonder just how lenient judges woukd be if it were they who were being murdered.

Or how much interest politicians would have if someone decided to put down politicians?

Perhaps, just perhaps, the best way to get the politicians attention and COMPASSION about returned soldiers.
Would be for said returned soldiers to start targeting politicians rather than topping themselves.

Death by police, but only after taking out several worthless and seriously expensive politicians.

How long do you recon it would be before they started trying to help soldiers rather than ignoring them or making it impossible to get the help they deserve.

And the plus side
Less politicians sucking Australian taxpayers dry.


Preventing murder?

Come come, Matty, we want to prevent more than that.

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Reply #11 - Jun 22nd, 2019 at 5:47pm
 
And this is why Humans will never inherit the stars and other worlds.


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Reply #12 - Jun 22nd, 2019 at 6:34pm
 
cods wrote on Jun 22nd, 2019 at 9:56am:
are we doing enough to find the reason behind these murders...why are whole families killed  what mindset does a father.. or mother have when they do this....



Here's the reason why this guy in the OP killed his wife and kids ...

At 23, he was sick of it.  Sick of his life.  Wanted a new one

He probably viewed them as being the ones who were stopping him from living the way he really wanted to live, and he needed money to start his "new life", so got his wife to sign over her money to him, or get access to her account

So in order that she and the kids couldn't ever bother him again in his new life, he killed them, thinking that death is permanent
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Reply #13 - Jun 22nd, 2019 at 7:04pm
 
As the screws are applied to more and more working class.
As the banks and multinationals fondle our hard earned cash freely.
As it gets harder and harder to scrape together a life and feed the ones you love.
As the grubberment ignores the plight of the working poor.

The people see no end to the eternal suffering
They see no end or gain in life
They watch as politicians and multinationals living high and getting far too much.
They watch and cry as they know there Wil be nothing left for them.

Greed of the grubberment, fees, charges,  taxes and tolls.
Greed of the people who own the store
Greed of the grubberment and want for more
The people just suffer, and people ignored.

But a solution is in sight
It just takes enough
Enough of the people to say I won't take mythic no more.
Arise good AUSTRALIANS,  arise and take arms
Remove the dread pollies, the servants and such
Remove the bankers, as Jesus once did
And get rid of the multinationals,  the robbery and fibs.

Take back Australia
Make it fair once again
And control all the leaders, so they serve Us as they should.

BRING ON THE REVOLUTION
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Reply #14 - Jun 23rd, 2019 at 1:19am
 
Bias_2012 wrote on Jun 22nd, 2019 at 6:34pm:
cods wrote on Jun 22nd, 2019 at 9:56am:
are we doing enough to find the reason behind these murders...why are whole families killed  what mindset does a father.. or mother have when they do this....



Here's the reason why this guy in the OP killed his wife and kids ...

At 23, he was sick of it.  Sick of his life.  Wanted a new one

He probably viewed them as being the ones who were stopping him from living the way he really wanted to live, and he needed money to start his "new life", so got his wife to sign over her money to him, or get access to her account

So in order that she and the kids couldn't ever bother him again in his new life, he killed them, thinking that death is permanent


It should be permanent imprisonment for him... no release...

My own father once said that he should have killed us kids when he could - we were the cause of all of his troubles, he said* .... strange way of thinking.... I value my children and grand-children beyond worlds..... and they know it....


* yes - that's part of the insane background I come from... I'm the sole survivor intellectually and morally and socially ..... and nowadays I even eat well......

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