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Reply #30 - Jun 18th, 2019 at 9:55pm
 
lee wrote on Jun 18th, 2019 at 9:48pm:
Dnarever wrote on Jun 18th, 2019 at 9:35pm:
You sure make a big deal of the early draft while ignoring completely the final product.


Oh so now it was only a draft policy? Should draft policies see the light of day? I would have thought they were for internal use only. Before a final policy was hammered out.

That Shorten should release a draft policy is mind numblingly dumb.


Well it sure wasn't the final product.

You seem to think it clever to pedantically argue about a position that was changed about 18 months before the election. It is fairly obvious that you have no valid point.
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Re: Government Has No Mandate To Legislate Tax Cuts
Reply #31 - Jun 18th, 2019 at 9:59pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jun 18th, 2019 at 9:54pm:
so now you're arguing it wasn't amended? that they took the original policy to the election? are you really that stupid?



You really took that from what I wrote? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin What did you NOT understand about a backflip with pike?

John Smith wrote on Jun 18th, 2019 at 9:54pm:
what planet do you live on where policies are never amended?


And nowhere did I say that either. But keep digging your little hole it will get bigger. Grin Grin Grin Grin

John Smith wrote on Jun 18th, 2019 at 9:54pm:
Why would anyone bother to mention the original version when we were discussing the policy he actually voted on?


You were arguing with me and I referred to the backflip with pike.  Wink
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Reply #33 - Jun 20th, 2019 at 1:26pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Jun 18th, 2019 at 9:47pm:
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The lower and middle income earners are the winners," Mr Frydenberg told ABC TV from Washington on Tuesday.


Those earning over $30,000 get a 2.5 cent reduction.

Those earning over $90,000 get a 7.0 cent reduction

Those earning over $180,000 get a 15 cent reduction 

Josh says that the lower and middle are the winners, does he think that anyone is stupid enough to believe him ?

One arrogant pig that obviously believes that his supporters are stupid, the sad thing is that he is probably right.

And not a word from the Liberals about raising the tax-free threshold.

The last Liberal government that raised the tax-free threshold without increasing other taxes was the Fraser government.

People on incomes below $30,000 are the ones in most need of tax relief. Why are they the ones who get the least?

17 years of conservative government, and every year they take from the poor more and MORE and
MORE!!!
Not once in the last 35 years has a Liberal government given any tax relief to these real battlers.

And here's the thing - raising the tax-free threshold benefits EVERYONE who's above it.
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Reply #34 - Jun 26th, 2019 at 8:14pm
 
I’m not a big believer in “mandates” but two days prior to the election Bill Shorten claimed Labor would have a “moral authority” to implement their tax changes in the event they won the election.

Why does this standard not apply to the coalition who did win the election?
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Reply #35 - Jun 26th, 2019 at 8:17pm
 

Bam wrote on Jun 20th, 2019 at 1:26pm:
Dnarever wrote on Jun 18th, 2019 at 9:47pm:
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The lower and middle income earners are the winners," Mr Frydenberg told ABC TV from Washington on Tuesday.


Those earning over $30,000 get a 2.5 cent reduction.

Those earning over $90,000 get a 7.0 cent reduction

Those earning over $180,000 get a 15 cent reduction 

Josh says that the lower and middle are the winners, does he think that anyone is stupid enough to believe him ?

One arrogant pig that obviously believes that his supporters are stupid, the sad thing is that he is probably right.

And not a word from the Liberals about raising the tax-free threshold.

The last Liberal government that raised the tax-free threshold without increasing other taxes was the Fraser government.

People on incomes below $30,000 are the ones in most need of tax relief. Why are they the ones who get the least?

17 years of conservative government, and every year they take from the poor more and MORE and
MORE!!!
Not once in the last 35 years has a Liberal government given any tax relief to these real battlers.

And here's the thing - raising the tax-free threshold benefits EVERYONE who's above it.


Someone earning $30,000 pays $2,142 in tax with an effective tax rate of 7.1%. How much less tax do you expect them to pay?
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Reply #36 - Jun 26th, 2019 at 9:05pm
 
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Government Has No Mandate To Legislate Tax Cuts


Lucky that they don't need a mandate to breathe air.

Wouldn't make much difference to many of the Libs.
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Reply #37 - Jun 27th, 2019 at 12:11am
 
Rupertsford wrote on Jun 26th, 2019 at 8:14pm:
I’m not a big believer in “mandates” but two days prior to the election Bill Shorten claimed Labor would have a “moral authority” to implement their tax changes in the event they won the election.

Why does this standard not apply to the coalition who did win the election?


Well said Sir!

The hypocrisy of Labor is jaw droppingly shocking.  Shocked


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Reply #38 - Jun 27th, 2019 at 8:46am
 
Rupertsford wrote on Jun 26th, 2019 at 8:14pm:
I’m not a big believer in “mandates” but two days prior to the election Bill Shorten claimed Labor would have a “moral authority” to implement their tax changes in the event they won the election.

Why does this standard not apply to the coalition who did win the election?

Their tax plans were not a central part of their campaign. Their other policies - what there were of them - hardly got mentioned at all. They mentioned Labor more often than they mentioned tax cuts. See Morrison's campaign launch speech for an example. All the Coalition really have a mandate for is not being Labor.
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Reply #39 - Jun 27th, 2019 at 8:53am
 
Rupertsford wrote on Jun 26th, 2019 at 8:17pm:
Bam wrote on Jun 20th, 2019 at 1:26pm:
Dnarever wrote on Jun 18th, 2019 at 9:47pm:
Quote:
The lower and middle income earners are the winners," Mr Frydenberg told ABC TV from Washington on Tuesday.


Those earning over $30,000 get a 2.5 cent reduction.

Those earning over $90,000 get a 7.0 cent reduction

Those earning over $180,000 get a 15 cent reduction 

Josh says that the lower and middle are the winners, does he think that anyone is stupid enough to believe him ?

One arrogant pig that obviously believes that his supporters are stupid, the sad thing is that he is probably right.

And not a word from the Liberals about raising the tax-free threshold.

The last Liberal government that raised the tax-free threshold without increasing other taxes was the Fraser government.

People on incomes below $30,000 are the ones in most need of tax relief. Why are they the ones who get the least?

17 years of conservative government, and every year they take from the poor more and MORE and
MORE!!!
Not once in the last 35 years has a Liberal government given any tax relief to these real battlers.

And here's the thing - raising the tax-free threshold benefits EVERYONE who's above it.


Someone earning $30,000 pays $2,142 in tax with an effective tax rate of 7.1%. How much less tax do you expect them to pay?

With an annual income nearly $10,000 a year below the minimum wage, they should not be paying any income tax. They already pay the GST. That is enough of a tax burden.

If paying no tax is good enough for a self-funded retiree with a few million dollars' worth of income-producing assets and a six-figure tax-free income, it's good enough for someone who has insufficient income to pay for the basics. Why tax the working poor? Nobody ever got taxed out of poverty.
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Reply #40 - Jun 27th, 2019 at 12:33pm
 
Once again - there is no absolute mandate for any government, as the Fascisti Howard tried to sell us way back now... before his personal Downfall... government, in an age where the people are sovereign, derives any mandate ONLY from the majority of the people on an ISSUE - not at the electoral voting booth with all its cunning manipulations...

It can be effectively argued that preferential voting dictates against any absolute mandate... since it is NOT the will of the people as sovereign pure and simple.....   Cool
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Reply #41 - Jun 27th, 2019 at 12:39pm
 
The Senate is supposed to be a House of Review, not a House of BlockingWink

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Reply #42 - Jun 28th, 2019 at 8:15am
 
Bam wrote on Jun 27th, 2019 at 8:46am:
Rupertsford wrote on Jun 26th, 2019 at 8:14pm:
I’m not a big believer in “mandates” but two days prior to the election Bill Shorten claimed Labor would have a “moral authority” to implement their tax changes in the event they won the election.

Why does this standard not apply to the coalition who did win the election?

Their tax plans were not a central part of their campaign. Their other policies - what there were of them - hardly got mentioned at all. They mentioned Labor more often than they mentioned tax cuts. See Morrison's campaign launch speech for an example. All the Coalition really have a mandate for is not being Labor.


We can all be glad the coalition is not Labor and the voters had the sense to seperate the two.

I hope Labor continue to block the tax cuts and the coalition cut a deal with the cross bench. This will further entrench Labor in the political wilderness - a party that has won majority government once in the last 9 elections.
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Reply #43 - Jun 28th, 2019 at 8:31am
 
Bam wrote on Jun 20th, 2019 at 1:26pm:
Dnarever wrote on Jun 18th, 2019 at 9:47pm:
Quote:
The lower and middle income earners are the winners," Mr Frydenberg told ABC TV from Washington on Tuesday.


Those earning over $30,000 get a 2.5 cent reduction.

Those earning over $90,000 get a 7.0 cent reduction

Those earning over $180,000 get a 15 cent reduction 

Josh says that the lower and middle are the winners, does he think that anyone is stupid enough to believe him ?

One arrogant pig that obviously believes that his supporters are stupid, the sad thing is that he is probably right.

And not a word from the Liberals about raising the tax-free threshold.

The last Liberal government that raised the tax-free threshold without increasing other taxes was the Fraser government.

People on incomes below $30,000 are the ones in most need of tax relief. Why are they the ones who get the least?

17 years of conservative government, and every year they take from the poor more and MORE and
MORE!!!
Not once in the last 35 years has a Liberal government given any tax relief to these real battlers.

And here's the thing - raising the tax-free threshold benefits EVERYONE who's above it.



I can remember we pensioners being allowed to earn so much a week without it affecting their income.. Roll Eyes I also remember getting utility payments twice a year  which was rather nice..labor took that away... Roll Eyes we do get the CPI  not great I agree but better than nothing... todays oldies have always had to live within their means no such thing as credit cards in our day....but the new generations are going to find life extremely tough going.....

but can we in all honesty keep relying on govts to support us....
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Reply #44 - Jun 28th, 2019 at 12:13pm
 
Captain Nemo wrote on Jun 27th, 2019 at 12:39pm:
The Senate is supposed to be a House of Review, not a House of BlockingWink



Review is a nice word for retaining the ability to block... blocking is but part of its ammunition box .... adjustment is more the go ...
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