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Re: Time for Bradfield's scheme?
Reply #45 - Jun 20^th, 2019 at 3:42pm

Gnads wrote on Jun 19^th, 2019 at 10:16pm:

BS..... why? It would get what nutrients it needs now during the unpredictable flood events except it all gets siphoned off. Cubbie station holds as much as Sydney Harbour.

As for the other systems you want to exploit and the land you want to use for further agricultural expansion .... why?

Just so big Gas & Oil can come along and FRACK the farc out of it, turn it into a lunar landscape and contaminate the water both above and below ground. As the Cotton Industry want to do to the Channel Country... i.e. Cooper Creek etc.

We grow excesses now with the land we have, and when there's a glut it gets ploughed back into the ground or stockpiled to rot on the ground.

Why farc up more country, river systems and the environment and its natural inhabitants anymore than is necessary.

Not long ago all those water using crop growing farmers in marginal dry country along the Culgoa, Darling and Murray systems didn't exist....... those there ran sheep and cattle...... and goats.

Some bright spark said we can use those river systems when the floods come down to irrigate crops..... so they went gang busters expanding growing grain, grapes and other fruits.... then along came the thirstiest crop of all... COTTON... and the expansion went apeshit.....

But those big flood events out there are aren't a yearly occurrence..... water licenses became currency..... and the water was over exploited....

Now there is a shortage of water in the biggest river system across the 3 eastern states and Sth Aust.... it is in crisis.

And you want to do this to the FNQ COASTAL, GULF and central Australian systems of the Cooper Creek Basin that flows into Lake Eyre and Lake Frome?

It's bloody madness... enough is enough.

You talk through your southern gate.

I only want to use water that is now wasted -
flushed out to sea.

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Re: Time for Bradfield's scheme?
Reply #47 - Jun 20^th, 2019 at 4:13pm

Bobby. wrote on Jun 20^th, 2019 at 3:42pm:

Gnads wrote on Jun 19^th, 2019 at 10:16pm:

BS..... why? It would get what nutrients it needs now during the unpredictable flood events except it all gets siphoned off. Cubbie station holds as much as Sydney Harbour.

As for the other systems you want to exploit and the land you want to use for further agricultural expansion .... why?

Just so big Gas & Oil can come along and FRACK the farc out of it, turn it into a lunar landscape and contaminate the water both above and below ground. As the Cotton Industry want to do to the Channel Country... i.e. Cooper Creek etc.

We grow excesses now with the land we have, and when there's a glut it gets ploughed back into the ground or stockpiled to rot on the ground.

Why farc up more country, river systems and the environment and its natural inhabitants anymore than is necessary.

Not long ago all those water using crop growing farmers in marginal dry country along the Culgoa, Darling and Murray systems didn't exist....... those there ran sheep and cattle...... and goats.

Some bright spark said we can use those river systems when the floods come down to irrigate crops..... so they went gang busters expanding growing grain, grapes and other fruits.... then along came the thirstiest crop of all... COTTON... and the expansion went apeshit.....

But those big flood events out there are aren't a yearly occurrence..... water licenses became currency..... and the water was over exploited....

Now there is a shortage of water in the biggest river system across the 3 eastern states and Sth Aust.... it is in crisis.

And you want to do this to the FNQ COASTAL, GULF and central Australian systems of the Cooper Creek Basin that flows into Lake Eyre and Lake Frome?

It's bloody madness... enough is enough.

You talk through your southern gate.

I only want to use water that is now wasted -
flushed out to sea.

It isn't wasted mate.
That is how the life cycle works. One thing humans should learn is....don't fkkk with mother nature for the sake of a few million mouths. Screw human existance. Nothing wrecks this planet except the pox human species.

Have you got netflix? If so...look for a new doco that has Will Smith narrating it. Bloody brilliant. It explains it all in laymens terms.

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Re: Time for Bradfield's scheme?
Reply #48 - Jun 20^th, 2019 at 9:41pm

Bobby. wrote on Jun 20^th, 2019 at 3:42pm:

Gnads wrote on Jun 19^th, 2019 at 10:16pm:

BS..... why? It would get what nutrients it needs now during the unpredictable flood events except it all gets siphoned off. Cubbie station holds as much as Sydney Harbour.

As for the other systems you want to exploit and the land you want to use for further agricultural expansion .... why?

Just so big Gas & Oil can come along and FRACK the farc out of it, turn it into a lunar landscape and contaminate the water both above and below ground. As the Cotton Industry want to do to the Channel Country... i.e. Cooper Creek etc.

We grow excesses now with the land we have, and when there's a glut it gets ploughed back into the ground or stockpiled to rot on the ground.

Why farc up more country, river systems and the environment and its natural inhabitants anymore than is necessary.

Not long ago all those water using crop growing farmers in marginal dry country along the Culgoa, Darling and Murray systems didn't exist....... those there ran sheep and cattle...... and goats.

Some bright spark said we can use those river systems when the floods come down to irrigate crops..... so they went gang busters expanding growing grain, grapes and other fruits.... then along came the thirstiest crop of all... COTTON... and the expansion went apeshit.....

But those big flood events out there are aren't a yearly occurrence..... water licenses became currency..... and the water was over exploited....

Now there is a shortage of water in the biggest river system across the 3 eastern states and Sth Aust.... it is in crisis.

And you want to do this to the FNQ COASTAL, GULF and central Australian systems of the Cooper Creek Basin that flows into Lake Eyre and Lake Frome?

It's bloody madness... enough is enough.

You talk through your southern gate.

I only want to use water that is now wasted -
flushed out to sea.

What is it that you don't understand that that water isn't wasted?

It all part of a cycle of renewal and replenishment.

That's been pointed out to you several times.

All the fresh water that falls as rain all over the globe comes from our salty oceans through evaporation.

The very same evaporation that will take a large part of any of the water you want to divert into our arid areas and deserts. Roll Eyes

You and a pair of 2 short planks are starting to have a lot in common.

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Re: Time for Bradfield's scheme?
Reply #49 - Jun 20^th, 2019 at 10:06pm

Gnads wrote on Jun 20^th, 2019 at 9:41pm:

What is it that you don't understand that that water isn't wasted?

It all part of a cycle of renewal and replenishment.

That's been pointed out to you several times.

All the fresh water that falls as rain all over the globe comes from our salty oceans through evaporation.

The very same evaporation that will take a large part of any of the water you want to divert into our arid areas and deserts. Roll Eyes

You and a pair of 2 short planks are starting to have a lot in common.

Don't tell me that no water is wasted in Australia - you halfwit.
What about the floods in Ipswich - part of Brisbane -
built on a flood plain?

Also -
Water is wasted every day especially in the wet season in the Northern Territory.
I've been in Darwin during December rains.
There must have been billions of tonnes of water every week just washing out to sea.

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Re: Time for Bradfield's scheme?
Reply #50 - Jun 21^st, 2019 at 7:56am

Bobby. wrote on Jun 20^th, 2019 at 10:06pm:

Gnads wrote on Jun 20^th, 2019 at 9:41pm:

What is it that you don't understand that that water isn't wasted?

It all part of a cycle of renewal and replenishment.

That's been pointed out to you several times.

All the fresh water that falls as rain all over the globe comes from our salty oceans through evaporation.

The very same evaporation that will take a large part of any of the water you want to divert into our arid areas and deserts. Roll Eyes

You and a pair of 2 short planks are starting to have a lot in common.

Don't tell me that no water is wasted in Australia - you halfwit.
What about the floods in Ipswich - part of Brisbane -
built on a flood plain?

[url]https://media.apnarm.net.au/media/images/2013/01/10/25-915031-ipswich%20ips12011
1chop13e_ct834x465.jpg[/url]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/image/1902444-16x9-940x529.jpg

Also -
Water is wasted every day especially in the wet season in the Northern Territory.
I've been in Darwin during December rains.
There must have been billions of tonnes of water every week just washing out to sea.

Okay.....why is the ocean salty?

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Re: Time for Bradfield's scheme?
Reply #51 - Jun 21^st, 2019 at 8:10am

Bobby. wrote on Jun 20^th, 2019 at 10:06pm:

Gnads wrote on Jun 20^th, 2019 at 9:41pm:

Its all part of a cycle of renewal and replenishment.

That's been pointed out to you several times.

All the fresh water that falls as rain all over the globe comes from our salty oceans through evaporation.

The very same evaporation that will take a large part of any of the water you want to divert into our arid areas and deserts. Roll Eyes

You and a pair of 2 short planks are starting to have a lot in common.

Don't tell me that no water is wasted in Australia - you halfwit.
What about the floods in Ipswich - part of Brisbane -
built on a flood plain?

[url]https://media.apnarm.net.au/media/images/2013/01/10/25-915031-ipswich%20ips12011
1chop13e_ct834x465.jpg[/url]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/image/1902444-16x9-940x529.jpg

Also -
Water is wasted every day especially in the wet season in the Northern Territory.
I've been in Darwin during December rains.
There must have been billions of tonnes of water every week just washing out to sea.

You still don't get it .... and you have the gall to call me a halfwit.

What is it that you don't understand that that water isn't wasted?

Floods are naturally occurring events that are also a part of the cycle. Been going on for millennia before Europeans were here.

Was the water wasted then?

Where some fools decide to build a house or a town or a city is completely irrelevant as to your claim of water wastage.

At the time of that flood .... Somerset & Wivenhoe dams were full ..... they weren't on the path of that water down the Lockyer Valley from the Toowoomba ranges.

and there isn't a man made structure that's going to stop mother nature in a massive rain event like that.

Flooding is all part of the cycle of nature it's not wasted going out to sea ....

that comes back as rain anyway. Roll Eyes

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95276 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Time for Bradfield's scheme? Reply #52 - Jun 21^st, 2019 at 10:02am Gnads, the dams were full and the water was wasted. All it did was destroy 1000s of homes and business premises.
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Gnads Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 28041 Gender:	Re: Time for Bradfield's scheme? Reply #53 - Jun 22^nd, 2019 at 8:54am So what? How are you going to stop mother nature? Building more dams wont help. Water was let out Wivenhoe because it was so full and the fears it could breach..... that attributed to the water as well. Water from flooding is not wasted .... it serves a purpose in the environmental cycle.
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Re: Time for Bradfield's scheme?
Reply #54 - Jun 22^nd, 2019 at 9:11am

Gnads wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2019 at 8:54am:

So what?

How are you going to stop mother nature?

Building more dams wont help.

Water was let out Wivenhoe because it was so full and the fears it could breach..... that attributed to the water as well.

Water from flooding is not wasted .... it serves a purpose in the environmental cycle.

When Wivenhoe dam was approaching full & a flood was
on the way it was time to send the water somewhere else
where it would be useful.
Instead - 1000s of homes & businesses were destroyed.
Is that how we should manage water?

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Re: Time for Bradfield's scheme?
Reply #55 - Jun 22^nd, 2019 at 9:23am

Bobby. wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2019 at 9:11am:

Gnads wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2019 at 8:54am:

So what?

How are you going to stop mother nature?

Building more dams wont help.

Water was let out Wivenhoe because it was so full and the fears it could breach..... that attributed to the water as well.

Water from flooding is not wasted .... it serves a purpose in the environmental cycle.

When Wivenhoe dam was approaching full & a flood was
on the way it was time to send the water somewhere else
where it would be useful.
Instead - 1000s of homes & businesses were destroyed.
Is that how we should manage water?

What are you suggesting Bobby? Emergency evac flights for dam water?

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Re: Time for Bradfield's scheme?
Reply #56 - Jun 22^nd, 2019 at 11:05am

Bobby. wrote on Jun 20^th, 2019 at 10:06pm:

Gnads wrote on Jun 20^th, 2019 at 9:41pm:

What is it that you don't understand that that water isn't wasted?

It all part of a cycle of renewal and replenishment.

That's been pointed out to you several times.

All the fresh water that falls as rain all over the globe comes from our salty oceans through evaporation.

The very same evaporation that will take a large part of any of the water you want to divert into our arid areas and deserts. Roll Eyes

You and a pair of 2 short planks are starting to have a lot in common.

Don't tell me that no water is wasted in Australia - you halfwit.
What about the floods in Ipswich - part of Brisbane -
built on a flood plain?

[url]https://media.apnarm.net.au/media/images/2013/01/10/25-915031-ipswich%20ips12011
1chop13e_ct834x465.jpg[/url]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/image/1902444-16x9-940x529.jpg

Also -
Water is wasted every day especially in the wet season in the Northern Territory.
I've been in Darwin during December rains.
There must have been billions of tonnes of water every week just washing out to sea.

Water is not wasted. Much of it is just not captured for treatment to use for the public. There is no reason to say that the flood water is not doing good by way of flushing out river systems and helping the ecosystem in ways that you could imagine outside of more considerable environmental studies.

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Re: Time for Bradfield's scheme?
Reply #57 - Jun 22^nd, 2019 at 11:14am

Captain Caveman wrote on Jun 21^st, 2019 at 7:56am:

Okay.....why is the ocean salty?

Because of the erosion of minerals from rocks over millions of years. Ocean water evaporates and moves over land where the condensation forms into rainfall. Over time the water flows into the oceans. Heavy rainfall results in massive amounts of water flooding out into the sea. Ocean water near the mouths of the river are usually less salty than what you would see 10km out to sea.

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Re: Time for Bradfield's scheme?
Reply #58 - Jun 22^nd, 2019 at 11:33am

Bobby. wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2019 at 9:11am:

Gnads wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2019 at 8:54am:

So what?

How are you going to stop mother nature?

Building more dams wont help.

Water was let out Wivenhoe because it was so full and the fears it could breach..... that attributed to the water as well.

Water from flooding is not wasted .... it serves a purpose in the environmental cycle.

When Wivenhoe dam was approaching full & a flood was
on the way it was time to send the water somewhere else
where it would be useful.
Instead - 1000s of homes & businesses were destroyed.
Is that how we should manage water?

There's only one place you can send it when it's full ... that's out of the sluice gates and downstream ... that's what they did.

Being greedy(selling water) they hung on to enough water as they could ... but for too long.

You tell me where else would the water have gone or been sent to? Roll Eyes

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Gnads Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 28041 Gender:	Re: Time for Bradfield's scheme? Reply #59 - Jun 22^nd, 2019 at 11:36am There is a finite amount of water on the planet .... it goes round & round in a cycle of evaporation from the sea ..... rain on land ... flowing down rivers and back to the sea ... and so it continues ....
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