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Re: Refugee On Manus Island Sets Himself On Fire
Reply #120 - Jul 12th, 2019 at 8:53pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 12th, 2019 at 8:36pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2019 at 8:33pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 12th, 2019 at 8:32pm:
Why is it that reffos who set themselves alight or  starve themselves ever die? They just aren't trying hard enough in my opinion. Roll Eyes


Your opinion is worthless, though.

So, not really sure why you even brought it up.

Wink

Just trying to get their case looked at so they burn a few holes in their clothes or skip a few meals. And dopes like you swallow it hook line and sinker.


Refugees don't need to have their cases heard.

Asylum seekers do.

You still don't know the difference, do you?
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Re: Refugee On Manus Island Sets Himself On Fire
Reply #121 - Jul 12th, 2019 at 8:57pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2019 at 8:53pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 12th, 2019 at 8:36pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2019 at 8:33pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 12th, 2019 at 8:32pm:
Why is it that reffos who set themselves alight or  starve themselves ever die? They just aren't trying hard enough in my opinion. Roll Eyes


Your opinion is worthless, though.

So, not really sure why you even brought it up.

Wink

Just trying to get their case looked at so they burn a few holes in their clothes or skip a few meals. And dopes like you swallow it hook line and sinker.


Refugees don't need to have their cases heard.

Asylum seekers do.

You still don't know the difference, do you?

When you know a way to prove their claims of persecution I'll agree.
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Re: Refugee On Manus Island Sets Himself On Fire
Reply #122 - Jul 12th, 2019 at 9:01pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 12th, 2019 at 8:57pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2019 at 8:53pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 12th, 2019 at 8:36pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2019 at 8:33pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 12th, 2019 at 8:32pm:
Why is it that reffos who set themselves alight or  starve themselves ever die? They just aren't trying hard enough in my opinion. Roll Eyes


Your opinion is worthless, though.

So, not really sure why you even brought it up.

Wink

Just trying to get their case looked at so they burn a few holes in their clothes or skip a few meals. And dopes like you swallow it hook line and sinker.


Refugees don't need to have their cases heard.

Asylum seekers do.

You still don't know the difference, do you?

When you know a way to prove their claims of persecution I'll agree.


No need to - they're refugees.

It's already been proven.

As I said, you still don't know the difference between an asylum seeker and a refugee.

I suspect you never will.

You just lack the mental capability.
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Re: Refugee On Manus Island Sets Himself On Fire
Reply #123 - Jul 12th, 2019 at 9:05pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2019 at 9:01pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 12th, 2019 at 8:57pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2019 at 8:53pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 12th, 2019 at 8:36pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2019 at 8:33pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 12th, 2019 at 8:32pm:
Why is it that reffos who set themselves alight or  starve themselves ever die? They just aren't trying hard enough in my opinion. Roll Eyes


Your opinion is worthless, though.

So, not really sure why you even brought it up.

Wink

Just trying to get their case looked at so they burn a few holes in their clothes or skip a few meals. And dopes like you swallow it hook line and sinker.


Refugees don't need to have their cases heard.

Asylum seekers do.

You still don't know the difference, do you?

When you know a way to prove their claims of persecution I'll agree.


No need to - they're refugees.

It's already been proven.

As I said, you still don't know the difference between an asylum seeker and a refugee.

I suspect you never will.

You just lack the mental capability.

Proven? How? Do ISIS give interviews with Australian immigration officials discussing how they are trying to kill so and so reffo? Nothing is proven. That's all bulls hit. Anybody from a Fed up country can say somebody is out to get them.
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Reply #124 - Jul 12th, 2019 at 11:29pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2019 at 10:01am:
PZ547 wrote on Jul 12th, 2019 at 10:00am:
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Within civilised societies

it's considered polite to wait until you're invited

Nobody invited you to speak.


A public forum implicitly invites forum members to speak on topics posed.
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Reply #125 - Jul 13th, 2019 at 7:00am
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 12th, 2019 at 11:29pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2019 at 10:01am:
PZ547 wrote on Jul 12th, 2019 at 10:00am:
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Within civilised societies

it's considered polite to wait until you're invited

Nobody invited you to speak.


A public forum implicitly invites forum members to speak on topics posed.


The 1951 UN Refugee Convention implicitly invites refugees to seek asylum in signatory countries.
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Re: Refugee On Manus Island Sets Himself On Fire
Reply #126 - Jul 13th, 2019 at 2:02pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13th, 2019 at 7:00am:
UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 12th, 2019 at 11:29pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2019 at 10:01am:
PZ547 wrote on Jul 12th, 2019 at 10:00am:
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Within civilised societies

it's considered polite to wait until you're invited

Nobody invited you to speak.


A public forum implicitly invites forum members to speak on topics posed.


The 1951 UN Refugee Convention implicitly invites refugees to seek asylum in signatory countries.


Perhaps you should read the whole UNRC thing yourself before you are invited to comment.
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Reply #127 - Jul 13th, 2019 at 3:29pm
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 13th, 2019 at 2:02pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13th, 2019 at 7:00am:
UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 12th, 2019 at 11:29pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2019 at 10:01am:
PZ547 wrote on Jul 12th, 2019 at 10:00am:
.
Within civilised societies

it's considered polite to wait until you're invited

Nobody invited you to speak.


A public forum implicitly invites forum members to speak on topics posed.


The 1951 UN Refugee Convention implicitly invites refugees to seek asylum in signatory countries.


Perhaps you should read the whole UNRC thing yourself before you are invited to comment.


I have.

What part in particular interests you?

I'm curious.
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Re: Refugee On Manus Island Sets Himself On Fire
Reply #128 - Jul 14th, 2019 at 4:08pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 12th, 2019 at 8:32pm:
Why is it that reffos who set themselves alight or  starve themselves ever die? They just aren't trying hard enough in my opinion. Roll Eyes


Nowhere near hard enough.

Perhaps we need to give them a hand

Place a few containers of fuel around the centres and the retards can sole quite a few problems.
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Re: Refugee On Manus Island Sets Himself On Fire
Reply #129 - Jul 14th, 2019 at 5:08pm
 
Seems a lot of people are bending over backwards to justify why we should keep people in such deplorable conditions they resort to self immolation.

Here's one you blokes haven't tried,

WE DON'T WANT ARSONISTS.
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Reply #130 - Jul 15th, 2019 at 12:19am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13th, 2019 at 3:29pm:
I have.

What part in particular interests you?

I'm curious.


Quote:
C. This Convention shall cease to apply to any person falling under the
terms of section A if:
(1) He has voluntarily re-availed himself of the protection of the country
of his nationality;


Those going back to their country of origin "for a holiday", as an example, lose their refugee status.

Quote:
E. This Convention shall not apply to a person who is recognized by the
competent authorities of the country in which he has taken residence as
having the rights and obligations which are attached to the possession of the
nationality of that country.


They step into a country of safe haven and take residence there, being recognised by the authorities, they lose their refugee status. Take note of boat arrivals who have disembarked from Indonesia. It becomes Indonesia's problem to look after asylum seekers. At the very least, Indonesia should process them for the possible relocation to Australia, through proper refugee channels. Not house them as slaves to earn up enough money to travel by boat as an unauthorised arrival.

Quote:
F. The provisions of this Convention shall not apply to any person with
respect to whom there are serious reasons for considering that:
(a) he has committed a crime against peace, a war crime, or a crime against
humanity, as defined in the international instruments drawn up to
make provision in respect of such crimes;
(b) he has committed a serious non-political crime outside the country of
refuge prior to his admission to that country as a refugee;


Unauthorised arrival to any place before travelling on to Australia for the purpose of claiming refugee status is considered a breach of the laws. We don't know the identity of the asylum seekers. Have they committed serious crimes in their home country? Is their escape motivated by evading the law?

Quote:
Article 27
identity papers
The Contracting States shall issue identity papers to any refugee in their territory who does not possess a valid travel document.


How do we know? Someone escaping persecution will not want authorities to contact authorities in the country of origin to find out the identity of the fleeing asylum seeker.  There may be a remote possibility that the asylum seeker could be hunted down by fanatical lunatics harbouring such a hatred. And if authorities of the country of origin do say that the asylum seeker is a wanted criminal, can that claim be trusted as genuine enough to extradite the accused back to their country for prosecution?
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