Forum

 
  Back to OzPolitic.com   Welcome, Guest. Please Login or Register
  Forum Home Album HelpSearch Recent Rules LoginRegister  
 

Pages: 1 2 3 ... 12
Send Topic Print
Is The Bible More Violent Than The Quran? (Read 15169 times)
Brian Ross
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Representative of me

Posts: 44333
Is The Bible More Violent Than The Quran?
Jun 9th, 2019 at 6:11pm
 
Back to top
 

It seems that I have upset a Moderator and are forbidden from using memes. So much for Freedom of Speech. Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
WWW  
IP Logged
 
Sprintcyclist
Gold Member
*****
Offline


OzPolitic

Posts: 40954
Gender: male
Re: Is The Bible More Violent Than The Quran?
Reply #1 - Jun 9th, 2019 at 6:15pm
 
no
Back to top
 

Modern Classic Right Wing
 
IP Logged
 
freediver
Gold Member
*****
Offline


www.ozpolitic.com

Posts: 50566
At my desk.
Re: Is The Bible More Violent Than The Quran?
Reply #2 - Jun 9th, 2019 at 8:55pm
 
Here's one of the many questions Brian cannot answer:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 9th, 2019 at 6:10pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 9th, 2019 at 5:15pm:
Brian is there anything in the old testament that comes close to chapter 9 of the Quran in the open ended promotion of violence to spread religion?


When you answer my questions, FD, I might answer yours.   Roll Eyes


Here is chapter 9:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1469837313

But let's not restrict it to the old testament. Let's throw it open to all religions. Is there any religious text in existence that even comes close to the Quran, and chapter 9 in particular, in promoting and licensing open-ended violence?
Back to top
 

People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words.
WWW  
IP Logged
 
Yadda
Gold Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 22246
A cat with a view
Re: Is The Bible More Violent Than The Quran?
Reply #3 - Jun 9th, 2019 at 10:45pm
 



Quote:
The Tanakh, also called the Mikra or Hebrew Bible, is the canonical collection of Jewish texts, which is also a textual source for the Christian Old Testament. These texts are composed mainly in Biblical Hebrew, with some passages in Biblical Aramaic. The traditional Hebrew text is known as the Masoretic Text. The Tanakh consists of twenty-four books.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanakh



Jewish people revere their Tanakh, and their God, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

Moslems revere Allah, Mohammed, and the Koran.




QUESTION;
Looking at how Jews and moslems 'behave' in the world today,        if you had to, between those two groups, who would you judge to be the more violent and unjust people/religious group ?

The Jews or the moslems ?

PROPOSITION;
We must each weigh the evidences before us, and answer that Q. for ourselves.

[...and God will judge us for our choice(s).    n.b. the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, says, again, and again, and again, within Jewish scripture, that he is a God who will, and does, judge men.]




Exodus 15:3
The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.


Deuteronomy 32:39
See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.
40  For I lift up my hand to heaven, and say, I live for ever.
41  If I whet my glittering sword, and mine hand take hold on judgment; I will render vengeance to mine enemies, and will reward them that hate me.
42  I will make mine arrows drunk with blood, and my sword shall devour flesh; and that with the blood of the slain and of the captives, from the beginning of revenges upon the enemy.
43  Rejoice, O ye nations, with his people: for he will avenge the blood of his servants, and will render vengeance to his adversaries, and will be merciful unto his land, and to his people.


Isaiah 55:6
Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near:
7  Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.


Revelation 22:11
He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
12  And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
13  I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
14  Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
15  For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
16  I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.


"....Blessed are they that do his commandments,"


What commandments ?



'And what is good, Phaedrus, and what is not good - need we ask anyone to tell us these things?'




p.s.
Yadda is not a Jewish person.


Back to top
 

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
IP Logged
 
moses
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6353
Re: Is The Bible More Violent Than The Quran?
Reply #4 - Jun 10th, 2019 at 3:29pm
 
It's amazing how the apologists all tell us about the call to obliterate the Amalekites after years of a brutal war being waged upon the Hebrews.

That particular bit is thousands of years old and is people (Amalekites) and time specific, it is not a command to rape torture and slaughter all the non believers, apostates, hypocrites and corrupters in the world forever and a day, as is the filth in the qur'an.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
DonDeeHippy
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Cool Stuff

Posts: 2782
Australia
Gender: male
Re: Is The Bible More Violent Than The Quran?
Reply #5 - Jun 10th, 2019 at 4:23pm
 
moses wrote on Jun 10th, 2019 at 3:29pm:
It's amazing how the apologists all tell us about the call to obliterate the Amalekites after years of a brutal war being waged upon the Hebrews.

That particular bit is thousands of years old and is people (Amalekites) and time specific, it is not a command to rape torture and slaughter all the non believers, apostates, hypocrites and corrupters in the world forever and a day, as is the filth in the qur'an.

But isn't god supposed to be perfect and unchanging, so if he has changed would that make him wrong before ? Wink
Back to top
 

I am me
 
IP Logged
 
Karnal
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 98425
Re: Is The Bible More Violent Than The Quran?
Reply #6 - Jun 10th, 2019 at 4:54pm
 
moses wrote on Jun 10th, 2019 at 3:29pm:
It's amazing how the apologists all tell us about the call to obliterate the Amalekites after years of a brutal war being waged upon the Hebrews.

That particular bit is thousands of years old and is people (Amalekites) and time specific, it is not a command to rape torture and slaughter all the non believers, apostates, hypocrites and corrupters in the world forever and a day, as is the filth in the qur'an.


So why are God's Chosen People still sacrificing lambs at Passover, Moses?

You know the answer to this, shurely.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
moses
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6353
Re: Is The Bible More Violent Than The Quran?
Reply #7 - Jun 11th, 2019 at 3:48pm
 
Abu
Quote:
So why are God's Chosen People still sacrificing lambs at Passover, Moses?

You know the answer to this, shurely.


Simply because they do not believe that the Messiah has come, didn't your Yeheshua tell you that?
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
moses
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6353
Re: Is The Bible More Violent Than The Quran?
Reply #8 - Jun 11th, 2019 at 3:50pm
 
D.D.H. wrote
Quote:
But isn't god supposed to be perfect and unchanging, so if he has changed would that make him wrong before ?


It seems that the bit about the Amalekites was retaliation against years of war being waged on the Hebrews as they journeyed toward the promised land.(it has got nothing to do with any other time or any other people)

As far as change goes the O.T. it'self foretells the coming of the Messiah and the end of Mosaic law.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Karnal
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 98425
Re: Is The Bible More Violent Than The Quran?
Reply #9 - Jun 11th, 2019 at 3:54pm
 
moses wrote on Jun 11th, 2019 at 3:48pm:
Abu
Quote:
So why are God's Chosen People still sacrificing lambs at Passover, Moses?

You know the answer to this, shurely.


Simply because they do not believe that the Messiah has come, didn't your Yeheshua tell you that?


Exactly. And they still follow the laws of Moses, dear. Like your Muselman, they believe in talking bushes.

You?
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Prime Minister for Canyons
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 26906
Canberra
Gender: male
Re: Is The Bible More Violent Than The Quran?
Reply #10 - Jun 11th, 2019 at 3:56pm
 
I don't see it as a competition. They are both violent, full of flaws and cause deranged thinking. Look at Yadda
Back to top
 

In a time of universal deceit — telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

No evidence whatsoever it can be attributed to George Orwell or Eric Arthur Blair (in fact the same guy)
 
IP Logged
 
moses
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 6353
Re: Is The Bible More Violent Than The Quran?
Reply #11 - Jun 11th, 2019 at 4:05pm
 
Abu wrote Quote:
Exactly. And they still follow the laws of Moses, dear. Like your Muselman, they believe in talking bushes.



I'd say that they still believe that the Spirit of God appeared in the form of a burning bush.

However they have massively deviated away from the many barbaric laws given to the Hebrews about 4000 years ago.

After all their book foretells that change is coming (the Messiah), so change / deviating away from the barbarity of civilization 4000 years or so ago is just part and parcel of their religious journey.

It's no surprise that they are in the 21st century, whilst your muzzies are locked into the 7th.


Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Karnal
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 98425
Re: Is The Bible More Violent Than The Quran?
Reply #12 - Jun 11th, 2019 at 8:07pm
 
moses wrote on Jun 11th, 2019 at 4:05pm:
Abu wrote Quote:
Exactly. And they still follow the laws of Moses, dear. Like your Muselman, they believe in talking bushes.



I'd say that they still believe that the Spirit of God appeared in the form of a burning bush.



Ah. And your Muselman?
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
freediver
Gold Member
*****
Offline


www.ozpolitic.com

Posts: 50566
At my desk.
Re: Is The Bible More Violent Than The Quran?
Reply #13 - Jun 11th, 2019 at 9:32pm
 
Has Brian run away from his own thread?
Back to top
 

People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words.
WWW  
IP Logged
 
aquascoot
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 36190
Gender: male
Re: Is The Bible More Violent Than The Quran?
Reply #14 - Jun 11th, 2019 at 10:23pm
 
it possibly is , but 500 years of pressure from science and the progress of the west has watered down the ideology.
there arent really any anglicans or scientologists or mormons who are declaring a caliphate.
most anglican ministers probably do not even believe in the resurection.

but in the islamic world there are a number (a small number ...granted) who do still wish to practice the very dangerous teachings of the koran.

they certainly believe in paradise for martyrdom.

and they are often quite intelligent and priveledged people who find inspiration in this idea.

some of the 9/11 martyrs or the martyrs who exploded themselves in the london bombings were educated and priveledged people.

Bin Laden himself was a millionaire.
he could have been down at the beach, with martinis and babes but he choose to live in a cave and dedicate himself to destroying the west.

this can only be because they BELIEVE WHAT THEY SAY THEY BELIEVE.

there are a few fundamentalist christians who undoubtedly get excited by the idea that trump may usher in a nuclear holocaust with Kim Jong.  but there isnt much evidence they are being pro active.

but there is no doubt that the extremists in the islamic state and various lone wolf operatives inspired by martyrdom would very much like to be proactive.

9/11 cost 100's of billions in lost productivity and nearly sent the world into a tailspin.

if jihadis can get hold of a bit of enhanced uranium and put it in a container with a bit of TNT and drive it into washington , they could make the place uninhabitable for 1000 years.

that would create poverty and suffering on a scale that simpletons like bwian cannot comprehend.

and dont say they arent capable of doing it.

they are very well motivated by their book to do exactly that.

as such, it takes a very very naive fool to not take what they say seriously.

so in terms of world violence and potential suffering, the koran is about the worst idea currently floating around in the space of bad ideas.

anyone who isnt worried about that is just a brain dead numptie
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Pages: 1 2 3 ... 12
Send Topic Print