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Reply #120 - Jun 8th, 2019 at 11:20am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 7th, 2019 at 11:03pm:
juliar wrote on Jun 7th, 2019 at 5:00pm:
In war time there are many people killed as that is war which doesn't follow Lefties Political Correctness rubbish.

It is easy to sit here in your arm chair and wave your arms around but it is a vastly different thing to be over there with bullets whistling past your ears and bombs exploding near you.

And it is MOST CERTAINLY TREASON to reveal military operations in time of war as that can place our troops in deadly danger.

The time for recriminations is WHEN THE WAR IS OVER.

So the people who revealed military secrets have committed TREASON and will face a very severe sentence for their transgressions.


Whats this got to do with the raid on the ABC?

No one is being charged with treason for exposing allegations of war crimes. In fact no one will be charged with anything - the AFP have already confirmed that.

There is only one purpose to this raid - intimidate the media against embarassing the government. Lets not forget also that one of the soldiers accused of war crimes is now a sitting member of the liberal party - the party of government.


Hastie was the very first thing which crossed my mind as well.
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Reply #121 - Jun 8th, 2019 at 12:35pm
 
What are they after - installing a Reign of Terror across the board.  We've had vilification and personal attack through 'tribunals' and 'commissions' for several decades now - all to support specific social groups - and this has lead to the near collapse of any meaningful discussion and opposition to any silly idea that is added, one on top of the other, in every one of those groups once they are handed some privilege for whining enough.

At least with no Labor we don't have to put up with Apartheid and Aboriginal 'rights' taking control of things and prime land they have their eyes on, and never-ending demands from the whining sheilas of the 'feminist' group for more and more and more no matter the cost.

What a sorry state my country has fallen into since the feminist days began ..... now everyone is on the band wagon - jump up and down, demand, whine, threaten, play the victim while you beat up or rob of a livelihood someone else, intimidate, find fault, vilify opposition - and the world is your oyster.

Now the boot-heel becomes more blatant - the use of police and courts to intimidate and terrorise any opponents rises to the fore - and who can stop it?
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Reply #122 - Jun 8th, 2019 at 2:26pm
 
As Effie would say ...

"Aww .. How embarrassment!"
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Correspondence shows Labor demanded an investigation into classified Annika Smethurst leak


By Bevan Shields
June 8, 2019 — 10.49 am

Labor demanded an investigation into the leaking of "highly classified national security information" to the journalist whose home was this week raided by the Australian Federal Police, in a revelation that could blunt the opposition's assault on the government over press freedom.

Correspondence obtained by The Sydney Morning Herald and The Age shows shadow attorney-general Mark Dreyfus wrote to Malcolm Turnbull in 2018 to urge the then prime minister to convene an investigation into how secret government documents were leaked to senior News Corp reporter Annika Smethurst.

Labor has argued the Coalition government is responsible for the raid on Smethurst's Canberra home because the secretary of the Department of Defence referred the leak to the Australian Federal Police.


Smethurst reported on confidential correspondence between the heads of the Department of Home Affairs and Defence Department about how some of the spy powers of the Australian Signals Directorate could be expanded to home soil.

While Mr Dreyfus did not specifically request a federal police probe, he said the "damaging leak" risked undermining Australia's national security and asked Mr Turnbull to order an investigation.

"I am sure I do not need to emphasise with you the gravity of such a security breach," Mr Dreyfus wrote.

"The documents described in the media appear to be extremely sensitive and divulge information about one of Australia’s key security agencies.

"It is therefore incumbent on you to establish an investigation into how such sensitive information held by members of your government was able to find its way into the public domain.

"Ensuring this sort of breach cannot occur again is vital for securing the trust that Australians place in governments on matters of national security."

Mr Dreyfus has since argued that Smethurst's reporting was in the national interest, as has Labor leader Anthony Albanese.

"I think it is a good thing that that was reported, frankly," Mr Albanese said this week. "Australians do have a right to know what is going on in a democracy."

While Mr Dreyfus argued in his letter that the leak was a national security matter, he this week said Smethurst's April 2018 report did not threaten national security.

On Thursday, he told ABC radio: "What is it about Australia’s national security – this is the question the government has to answer – what is it about Australia’s national security that is so threatened by a public discussion of a proposal to allow the Australian Signals Directorate for the first time to spy on Australians?"

In a separate interview on the same day, he said: "I don’t accept that there is some national security reason there for not discussing it."

If found and convicted, the source of the leak faces a jail sentence of up to two years.

In a statement on Saturday, Mr Dreyfus said: "I have never disputed that this leak was of a very serious nature, nor that it should have been looked into. My concern has entirely centred around the raiding of a journalists’ home and the government’s abdication of its responsibility to uphold the principle of press freedom.

"My concern at the time was that the internal chaos of the Turnbull government could compromise the proper functioning of government, as expressed in the letter."

Mr Dreyfus' letter suggested tensions inside the government over Peter Dutton's newly created Home Affairs super portfolio may have been behind the leak to Smethurst.

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"The chaos inside government cannot be allowed to interfere with the vital work of our security agencies, or indeed any other arm of the public service engaged with national security," Mr Dreyfus wrote.

"As the government of the day you are the custodian of our nation’s safety. At present your ability to carry out that duty is in question."

In a meeting of the national security committee of cabinet in the days after Smethurt's story, Mr Turnbull swiftly put to bed any thoughts of using the international spy agency to monitor Australians.

Government officials have long been adamant there was never a plan to spy on Australians. Rather, the potential expansion of the ASD's role involved using the agency's capabilities to disrupt in the systems of cyber-enabled criminals such as paedophile rings and organised crime gangs in Australia.

But the change would nonetheless have meant the ASD was carrying out domestic activities in ways it had not been previously.

Home Affairs secretary Michael Pezzullo has previously said that department heads "are obliged" to refer unauthorised disclosures of classified advice to the police investigation.

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The AFP is also examining the disclosure of highly classified material to the ABC, which it raided this week in addition to Smethurst's home. The ABC's stories used leaked Defence information to accuse Australia's elite special forces in Afghanistan of killing unarmed men and children.

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https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/correspondence-shows-labor-demanded-a...
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Reply #123 - Jun 8th, 2019 at 3:50pm
 
Captain Nemo wrote on Jun 8th, 2019 at 2:26pm:
As Effie would say ...

"Aww .. How embarrassment!"
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Labor are beyond pathetic on this issue.

I think they would happily rubber stamp the introduction of a full-blown fascist dictatorship if it meant the libs could not wedge them on that terrifying area called "national security".


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Reply #124 - Jun 8th, 2019 at 4:06pm
 
Agreed.

Same on off-shore detention and boat turn-backs.
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Reply #128 - Jun 11th, 2019 at 1:23pm
 
The really terrifying thing about the AFP raid was how all encompassing the warrant was.

The warrant gave the AFP the power to delete ABC documents if they so chose.

Or to add to them.

Or to alter them.

The warrant also allowed them to look a correspondence that had nothing to do with the story the ABC broke.

This was not about national security. The AFP would not allow a national security threat to continue without any action for two years.

This is about certain Departments of the government not liking what was printed about them.

It's no coincidence that these raids happened straight after the election. A time when political scandals are unlikely to do much damage.
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Reply #129 - Jun 11th, 2019 at 1:26pm
 
Raven wrote on Jun 11th, 2019 at 1:23pm:
This was not about national security. The AFP would not allow a national security threat to continue without any action for two years.

This is about certain Departments of the government not liking what was printed about them.

It's no coincidence that these raids happened straight after the election. A time when political scandals are unlikely to do much damage.   


Correct.

It had absolutely nothing to do with national security, and even the most rusted on coalition supporters realise that.

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Reply #130 - Jun 11th, 2019 at 1:38pm
 
Raven wrote on Jun 11th, 2019 at 1:23pm:
The really terrifying thing about the AFP raid was how all encompassing the warrant was.

The warrant gave the AFP the power to delete ABC documents if they so chose.

Or to add to them.

Or to alter them.

The warrant also allowed them to look a correspondence that had nothing to do with the story the ABC broke.

This was not about national security. The AFP would not allow a national security threat to continue without any action for two years.

This is about certain Departments of the government not liking what was printed about them.

It's no coincidence that these raids happened straight after the election. A time when political scandals are unlikely to do much damage.   


Yes, well ... I think the technical basis of that is because the file "metadata" is altered even by accessing / copying the file ...  Wink

However, the wording is rather startling!  Shocked


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Reply #131 - Jun 11th, 2019 at 1:51pm
 
Working at the ABC is the consolation prize for being a failure as a journalist. When you are a failure you tend to be bitter resentful and nihilistic. You tend to try to drag down the successful. Thus it is no surprise that failed journalists who hate themselves and their failure would try to drag down our Noble prime minister.
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Reply #132 - Jun 11th, 2019 at 2:12pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Jun 11th, 2019 at 1:51pm:
Working at the ABC is the consolation prize for being a failure as a journalist. .


That is the greatest load of horseshit I have ever heard in my life.

Look up Walkley Awards for journalism you will see the ABC is well represented and not only that the winners currently from the other networks are often ex ABC

Even made look more ridiculous by the Chief Sky News Political Reporter Kieran Gilbert being lured to host ABC's Insiders at the end of the year.

You are a dill!




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Reply #133 - Jun 11th, 2019 at 2:17pm
 
Redmond Neck wrote on Jun 11th, 2019 at 2:12pm:
aquascoot wrote on Jun 11th, 2019 at 1:51pm:
Working at the ABC is the consolation prize for being a failure as a journalist. .


That is the greatest load of horseshit I have ever heard in my life.



Indeed.

Rest assured though, he'll out do himself tomorrow.


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Reply #134 - Jun 11th, 2019 at 2:35pm
 
Redmond Neck wrote on Jun 11th, 2019 at 2:12pm:
aquascoot wrote on Jun 11th, 2019 at 1:51pm:
Working at the ABC is the consolation prize for being a failure as a journalist. .


That is the greatest load of horseshit I have ever heard in my life.

Look up Walkley Awards for journalism you will see the ABC is well represented and not only that the winners currently from the other networks are often ex ABC

Even made look more ridiculous by the Chief Sky News Political Reporter Kieran Gilbert being lured to host ABC's Insiders at the end of the year.

You are a dill!








unrepresentative SWILL

The ABC has not admitted to a lack of political diversity in its staff profile or systemic political bias in its programming. Yet the largest survey in 20 years of political attitudes among journalists found that 73.6 per cent of ABC journalists support Labor or the Greens. The Sunshine Coast University research also found that 41.2 per cent of ABC staff surveyed voted for the Greens. As Chris Kenny wrote in The Weekend Australian, the “federal vote ceiling” for the Greens is just over 10 per cent. On those figures, the ABC’s staff profile is highly unrepresentative of the Australian general public.
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