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Is the ISLAMIC insurgency, in many European states
Jun 4th, 2019 at 7:38pm
 


Gandalf,

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Is the real ISLAMIC insurgency that we see today, being pursued within many European states, by moslems [who live within Europe], against non-moslems and against the those secular governments, justified, ISLAMICALLY ?

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And how best, can non-moslems and those secular governments in Europe identify which moslems are the dangerous ones ?



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"......the curse of Allah is on those without Faith."
Koran 2.089


"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98


"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11


"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29


"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216


"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123


"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111


"Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves....."
Koran 48.29



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Re: Is the ISLAMIC insurgency, in many European states
Reply #1 - Jun 4th, 2019 at 7:51pm
 


Decisive answers to such Q's. [in the OP], from moslems, is what we need.

......but will we get any ??


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Re: Is the ISLAMIC insurgency, in many European states
Reply #2 - Jun 6th, 2019 at 9:38am
 

How come?,
  ...moslems present themselves, as ostensibly [as being] so proud of their religion.

But whenever any informed non-moslem enquires of them [the moslem], about the unconscionable aspects of the persons and entities of;
1/ Allah,
2/ Mohammed,
3/ ISLAMIC law,
....and quoting from wholly ISLAMIC sources, those moslems enquired of,
then either, 1/ will simply deny or lie [concerning the information], or 2/ will simply refuse to engage in any reasoned debate ?

A reasonable person may think, that in order to justify his religion, specifically, to justify the ostensibly many abhorrent and violent precepts which their religion justifies,
that the moslem could present a simple explanation or present an argument, as to why the argument(s) presented by the non-moslem debater is in error ?

But [in my experience] this never occurs.

The moslem will simply revert to his default,        of denial and lying, or silence.

But the moslem will never, ever, concede,       ....that there is any fault or error, within his religion, or with himself.

There is never any error, with a believer.

The error, always lays with the impertinence of the dis-believer, in questioning the laws and precepts of Allah's perfect religion.




e.g.

Mohammed, the Messenger of Allah, is revered, by    every moslem,    worthy of the name.

Yet, we see that Mohammed, the Messenger of Allah, rails against freedom of conscience.

And we see that 'believers' [living in this 21st century] will still present/offer this precept of their faith, as a virtuous position ?
[we can only presume this - because they refuse to contradict Mohammed on this point]


THE HADITH....

"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."
- DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260




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"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29


"O ye who believe! Ask not questions about things which, if made plain to you, may cause you trouble.....
Some people before you did ask such questions, and on that account lost their faith."
Koran 5.101, 102


"We sent not a messenger, but to be obeyed..........they ['believers'] can have no (real) Faith, until they make thee judge in all disputes between them, and find in their souls no resistance against Thy decisions, but accept them with the fullest conviction."
Koran 4.64, 65


"O ye who believe! Obey Allah, and obey the messenger [i.e. the clerics], and make not vain your deeds!"
Koran 47:33


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Re: Is the ISLAMIC insurgency, in many European states
Reply #3 - Jun 21st, 2019 at 11:28am
 
The European countries have certain security measures they may use to spot possible threats to national and international security.

The first question is lacking in detail. I am not aware of Muslims who rebelled against the authorities or the non Muslim population of the European countries. So you would have to show some examples and explain what you think "insurgency" means.
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Re: Is the ISLAMIC insurgency, in many European states
Reply #5 - Jun 21st, 2019 at 7:16pm
 
Faruk wrote on Jun 21st, 2019 at 11:28am:
The European countries have certain security measures they may use to spot possible threats to national and international security.

The first question is lacking in detail. I am not aware of Muslims who rebelled against the authorities or the non Muslim population of the European countries. So you would have to show some examples and explain what you think "insurgency" means.

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Re: Is the ISLAMIC insurgency, in many European states
Reply #6 - Jun 24th, 2019 at 9:49am
 
Faruk wrote on Jun 21st, 2019 at 11:28am:

The first question is lacking in detail.

I am not aware of Muslims who rebelled against the authorities or the non Muslim population of the European countries.

So you would have to show some examples and explain what you think "insurgency" means.





Just because the followers of ISLAM who are living among us, don't formally and openly call for our murder [the murder of persons who are not moslems], doesn't mean that there isn't a seething hatred in the heart of every one of those moslems,
towards those of us who are not moslems, and a seething hatred of our secular state(s) [because we reject the "ISLAMIC way"].


And yes, many moslems living in the West, are either 1/ encouraging other moslems to fight and to kill us, or 2/ they are actually engaging in a low level insurgency [killing, bombing, vehicular attacks], against our [once] stable non-ISLAMIC states.


Examples ?

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In the UK, the followers of ISLAM standing in public places have been seen, to be calling out;

"Bomb, bomb, UK" and "Bomb, bomb, USA";



That would constitute inciting violence against lawful states.
i.e. an insurgency.




Particularly, when there has already been many instances, of followers of ISLAM living in the UK, disrupting life in the UK, by killing persons who are not moslems.


WATCH MOSLEMS IN THE UK, SHOUTING;

"Bomb, bomb, UK" and "Bomb, bomb, USA";


Muslims being deceptive Islam EX-Muslims

6 min
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZx8cNSC9O0







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WATCH THE MOSLEMS IN AUSTRALIA CALLING FOR THE DESTRUCTION, OF AUSTRALIA;


[there is a segment, when moslems in a hall are encouraging moslem children to be soldiers, and to fight and kill Australians, to destroy Australia, ! And replace Australia with an ISLAMIC state ruled by ISLAMIC law.
And then an 'Aussie' moslem [in Indonesia] shouts;

"...WE, will change the world to suit ISLAM. The moslems living in Australia are also engaging in this struggle."




Muslims brainwash children in Australia

3 min
  -------- >   goto 1min 40 sec
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krk5piUzp1E






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IN THE USA, WATCH THE MOSQUE LEADER URGING YOUNG MOSLEM MEN;


Quote:

"....be brave [...'and fight and kill the enemies of Allah']
....grab on to the gun, and the sword,
don't be afraid to step out into this world and do your job."




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Massachusetts Governor Deval Patrick and the Imam

7 min
https://youtu.be/qUYIHRRaPmA






These Koran verses were cited in the YT above by the Boston mosque imam, to complain about police and security services in the Boston area 'persecuting' local moslems and a member of the local mosque, in order to incite local moslems to anger about local police investigations into local moslems....

"Let those fight in the cause of Allah Who sell the life of this world for the hereafter. To him who fighteth in the cause of Allah,- whether he is slain or gets victory - Soon shall We give him a reward of great (value).
And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and [for] those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)?- Men, women, and children, whose cry is: "Our Lord! Rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from thee one who will protect; and raise for us from thee one who will help!"
Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan: feeble indeed is the cunning of Satan."
Koran 4.74-76




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THEY HATE US....

BECAUSE WE ARE NOT MOSLEMS,

THEY HATE US, BECAUSE WE WERE, OR ARE CHRISTIANS.





AND IN THEIR MOSQUES, IN THE WEST, THEY ARE TEACHING THEIR CHILDREN TO HATE US.



Quote:

"....be brave [...'and fight and kill the enemies of Allah']
....grab on to the gun, and the sword,
don't be afraid to step out into this world and do your job."






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IMAGE...
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Farhad Khalil Mohammad Jabar outside Parramatta police headquarters


QUESTION;
What 'set off' Farhad Khalil Mohammad Jabar on that fateful day, to decide to murder Australian Curtis Cheng in Parramatta, NSW ???

ANSWER;
ONLY ALLAH KNOWS!



n.b.
ISLAMIC culture encouraged Farhad Khalil Mohammad Jabar, to murder Australian Curtis Cheng.



Farhad Khalil Mohammad Jabar was inspired by ISLAM's imperative, which urged him TO KILL THE ENEMIES OF ALLAH.





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Re: Is the ISLAMIC insurgency, in many European states
Reply #7 - Jun 24th, 2019 at 10:22am
 
Why didn't you just say terrorism?
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Reply #8 - Jun 24th, 2019 at 5:45pm
 
Faruk wrote on Jun 24th, 2019 at 10:22am:

Why didn't you just say terrorism?




Because i meant, an insurgency.


Within a land;       to weaken, to destroy, and to eventually overthrow existing political structures,
through the means of a ISLAMIC insurgency.

[as in southern Thailand, southern Philippines.]



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Western nations [atm], with well resourced security services, are still able to effectively defend themselves from such an insurgency.

But in many 3rd world nations, many nations do NOT have the resources to counter ISLAMIST violence and atrocities,
which come to those nations, ALONG WITH AN EMPOWERED [armed] MOSLEM 'COMMUNITY', which is determined to fight, and to slaughter, anyone who opposes their societal ideal being imposed locally,
being ISLAM and ISLAMIC law.




Bring the ISLAMIC insurgency;


Somalia, Ethiopia, Sudan [Darfur genocide], Nigeria, Mali, Congo, Niger, Chad.




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Quote:

Herman Johnson • May 31, 2017 at 19:37

When are you infidels going to realize that the Muslims are not here only seeking refuge, they are also on a Hijrah: to emigrate in the cause of Allah.

That is to move to a new land in order to bring Islam there is considered in Islam to be a highly meritorious act.


In Reader Comments.....
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/10356/immigrants-tyranny


WWW search....
Hijrah, emigrate in the cause of Allah, jihad



What we 'disbelievers' must understand, is that;

ISLAM is spread by moslems.



Moslems bring ISLAM with them, wherever they go in the world.


....their ISLAMIC insurgency.



Establish a moslem community in a new land.

Seek to strengthen that moslem community, then;


Bring the ISLAMIC insurgency;



IMAGE...
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Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami



Quote:

How Circumstance Dictates Islamic Behavior


January 18, 2012

Preach Peace When Weak, Wage War When Strong

"...all notions of peace with non-Muslims are based on circumstance.

When Muslims are weak, they should be peaceful; when strong, they should go on the offensive."


Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami - an ISLAMIC scholar and Egyptian Salafi leader
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/from-the-arab-world/how-circumstance-dictates-isla...




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Bring the ISLAMIC insurgency;



IMAGE.....
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updated image link

These are a people, WHO DID NOT BUILD OUR NATIONS,
...but it is their intention to destroy everything, within our nations, which is non-ISLAM.







IMAGE.....
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These are the people, whom our governments are,
allowing to live among us,      and to walk past us, on our streets.




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ARGUMENT;
Those people [in the images above] are human sewage, EVERY ONE OF THEM.

Examine the signs and the placards which they are holding.


"[our] Jihad will continue..."

"[our] ISLAM will dominate the world..."




Yadda paraphrases;

'We will continue to slaughter and to murder you,     ....until we prevail against you!'
   




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Read the Koran,      read the Hadith,       and listen to what moslems living within Western nations are saying, to each other, behind closed doors.


I recommend the     "UNDERCOVER MOSQUE"     video to you.


WWW search....
dispatches undercover mosque, channel 4, -Return


http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1554425807/0#0



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Bring the ISLAMIC insurgency;



This [image below] is what mainstream ISLAM, inspires, within the psyche of every human being who becomes enthralled, by ISLAM.


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IMAGE...
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THOSE PLACARDS, AT A MOSLEM STREET PROTEST, 2006, IN LONDON READ.....

"Slay those who insult Islam"
"Behead those who insult Islam"
"Massacre those who insult Islam"
"Butcher those who mock Islam"

"Europe you will pay, demolition is on its way"
"Europe you will pay, extermination is on its way"
"Exterminate those who slander Islam"
"Europe is the cancer, Islam is the answer"
"Islam will dominate the world"
"Freedom go to hell"
"Europe take some lessons from 9/11"
"Be prepared for the real Holocaust"
"BBC = British Blasphemic Crusaders"




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