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DonDeeHippy Gold Member Offline Cool Stuff Posts: 2782 Australia Gender:	Re: London is cleaning up its dirty air and we are.... Reply #30 - May 29^th, 2019 at 7:39am lee wrote on May 28^th, 2019 at 5:31pm: Batteries tend not to "break down"; they fail. And that failure is a certainty. The timing is not. Internal combustion motor's tend to "break down" and then they fail. And that failure is a certainty. The timing is not
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Reply #31 - May 29^th, 2019 at 10:22am

lee wrote on May 28^th, 2019 at 5:31pm:

Batteries tend not to "break down"; they fail. And that failure is a certainty. The timing is not.

And if you don't spend a singles cent on a clunker which one is guaranteed to fail first ?

And according to this they will most likely outlast any clunker even after spending a packet on servicing a clunker.

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Reply #32 - May 29^th, 2019 at 10:23am

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 29^th, 2019 at 7:39am:

lee wrote on May 28^th, 2019 at 5:31pm:

Batteries tend not to "break down"; they fail. And that failure is a certainty. The timing is not.

Internal combustion motor's tend to "break down" and then they fail. And that failure is a certainty. The timing is not Wink

Especially if you don't spend a cent on them then they are guaranteed to fail without question Wink

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In August 2021, Newcastle Coroner Karen Dilks recorded that Lisa Shaw had died “due to complications of an AstraZeneca COVID vaccination”.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16422 Gender:	Re: London is cleaning up its dirty air and we are.... Reply #33 - May 29^th, 2019 at 12:27pm Sir lastnail wrote on May 29^th, 2019 at 10:23am: Especially if you don't spend a cent on them then they are guaranteed to fail without question And how many cents are spent on batteries on EV's?
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Reply #34 - May 29^th, 2019 at 3:01pm

lee wrote on May 29^th, 2019 at 12:27pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on May 29^th, 2019 at 10:23am:

Especially if you don't spend a cent on them then they are guaranteed to fail without question

And how many cents are spent on batteries on EV's? Wink

You tell us then and then compare with how much is spent on clunkers each year to stop them from failing ?

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In August 2021, Newcastle Coroner Karen Dilks recorded that Lisa Shaw had died “due to complications of an AstraZeneca COVID vaccination”.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16422 Gender:	Re: London is cleaning up its dirty air and we are.... Reply #35 - May 29^th, 2019 at 3:46pm Sir lastnail wrote on May 29^th, 2019 at 3:01pm: You tell us then and then compare with how much is spent on clunkers each year to stop them from failing ? Nothing is spent on the batteries. They are a sealed unit.
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Reply #36 - May 30^th, 2019 at 7:36am

https://insideevs.com/news/351816/used-ev-prices-rise-as-demand-outstrips-supply...

Prices of second-hand electric and hybrid vehicles are soaring as demand outstrips supply, according to one of the country’s largest used-car marketplaces.

Auto Trader says electric vehicles - also known as EVs - are rocketing in value, with prices growing 11 percent. In contrast, the average price growth rate for all vehicles has slowed to 1.5 percent - the lowest rate for almost two years.

Well second hand car buyers in England are not to worried about the batteries, or these car's wouldn't be in demand and so expensive . Good News for new EV buyers as it looks like the trade in value will be good for them. Wink

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Reply #37 - May 30^th, 2019 at 1:02pm

From the link -

"The industry average for all used cars is 42.2 days.
iSeeCars - Tesla Model S is the Fastest-Selling Used Car in Its Class
Rank Model                   Avg Days On Market Avg Price
1 Tesla Model S             35.5                         $68,159
2 Audi A7                            39.7                         $47,710
3 Audi A8                            39.8                         $52,687
4 Mercedes-Benz S-Class    41.6                         $89,434
5 BMW 6 Series                   48.5                         $57,797
6 BMW 7 Series                   48.7                         $66,696
7 Jaguar XJ                   49.8                         $52,644
8 Genesis G90                   56.7                         $56,591
9 Porsche Panamera          60.1                         $88,876
10 Maserati Quattroporte    69.8                         $79,620
Overall Average                   46.9                         $72,030"

https://insideevs.com/news/346424/model-s-quickest-selling-used-luxury-car/

Yep really affordable EV's. Wink

So 5-10 are moving slower than average.

Amazing how they use average prices.

You can get a Renault for about £7,000 but the average price is £21,560. Which means, seeing as the average drops by two thirds from a Tesla, that there are far cheaper EV's on the market, yet they didn't include them.

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Reply #38 - May 30^th, 2019 at 2:08pm

lee wrote on May 30^th, 2019 at 1:02pm:

From the link -

"The industry average for all used cars is 42.2 days.
iSeeCars - Tesla Model S is the Fastest-Selling Used Car in Its Class
Rank Model                   Avg Days On Market Avg Price
1 Tesla Model S             35.5                         $68,159
2 Audi A7                            39.7                         $47,710
3 Audi A8                            39.8                         $52,687
4 Mercedes-Benz S-Class    41.6                         $89,434
5 BMW 6 Series                   48.5                         $57,797
6 BMW 7 Series                   48.7                         $66,696
7 Jaguar XJ                   49.8                         $52,644
8 Genesis G90                   56.7                         $56,591
9 Porsche Panamera          60.1                         $88,876
10 Maserati Quattroporte    69.8                         $79,620
Overall Average                   46.9                         $72,030"

https://insideevs.com/news/346424/model-s-quickest-selling-used-luxury-car/

Yep really affordable EV's. Wink

So 5-10 are moving slower than average.

Amazing how they use average prices.

You can get a Renault for about £7,000 but the average price is £21,560. Which means, seeing as the average drops by two thirds from a Tesla, that there are far cheaper EV's on the market, yet they didn't include them.

The link and Info you have put are about second hand luxury vehicle's in the USA....
You do realize that the Tesla is the only EV in that list you posted don't you Cheesy

What is all the stuff your writing about Renaults and prices in pounds . You cant even buy a Renault EV in USA...

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Reply #39 - May 30^th, 2019 at 5:00pm

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 30^th, 2019 at 2:08pm:

The link and Info you have put are about second hand luxury vehicle's in the USA....
You do realize that the Tesla is the only EV in that list you posted don't you

That is the link provided by "insideevs" in highlighted text. "Prices of second-hand electric and hybrid vehicles" Not my fault they can't lie with a straight face. Grin

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 30^th, 2019 at 2:08pm:

What is all the stuff your writing about Renaults and prices in pounds . You cant even buy a Renault EV in USA..

Because the main story was in pounds so I kept it at that. Wink

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Reply #40 - May 30^th, 2019 at 6:33pm

lee wrote on May 30^th, 2019 at 5:00pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 30^th, 2019 at 2:08pm:

The link and Info you have put are about second hand luxury vehicle's in the USA....
You do realize that the Tesla is the only EV in that list you posted don't you

That is the link provided by "insideevs" in highlighted text. "Prices of second-hand electric and hybrid vehicles" Not my fault they can't lie with a straight face. Grin

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 30^th, 2019 at 2:08pm:

What is all the stuff your writing about Renaults and prices in pounds . You cant even buy a Renault EV in USA..

Because the main story was in pounds so I kept it at that. Wink

they didn't lie at all ,the story is comparing second hand Tesla S's with other Luxury secondhand vehicle prices. It's only a link off the main story....
It's ok though anyone can make a mistake Wink

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Reply #41 - May 30^th, 2019 at 6:35pm

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 30^th, 2019 at 6:33pm:

they didn't lie at all ,the story is comparing second hand Tesla S's with other Luxury vehicle prices. It's only a link off the main story....

That's right. And links generally go to somewhere that confirms what they are saying.

Like links to a scientific paper that newspapers comment on. Wink

The link explicitly said - "second hand electric".
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DonDeeHippy wrote on May 30^th, 2019 at 6:33pm:

It's ok though anyone can make a mistake

And they did. Wink

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Reply #42 - May 30^th, 2019 at 6:45pm

lee wrote on May 30^th, 2019 at 6:35pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 30^th, 2019 at 6:33pm:

they didn't lie at all ,the story is comparing second hand Tesla S's with other Luxury vehicle prices. It's only a link off the main story....

That's right. And links generally go to somewhere that confirms what they are saying.

Like links to a scientific paper that newspapers comment on. Wink

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DonDeeHippy wrote on May 30^th, 2019 at 6:33pm:

It's ok though anyone can make a mistake

And they did. Wink

Prices of second-hand electric and hybrid vehicles are soaring as demand outstrips supply

so the highlight is a link to a article about Tesla S secondhand cars selling faster than other luxury cars and holding their value...…. ummm I think that comfirms that EV second hand cars have high demand...

are you saying the article has nothing to do with a Electric vehicles high demand ?

if a used luxury car goes off the lots quicker than any other luxury vehicle doesn't that indicate high demand

How else could they show the Tesla having high demand, unless they showed how fast it's competitors sold ?
Maybe you got confused because you only pasted half the sentence...Prices of second-hand electric and hybrid vehicles Wink

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16422 Gender:	Re: London is cleaning up its dirty air and we are.... Reply #43 - May 30^th, 2019 at 7:03pm DonDeeHippy wrote on May 30^th, 2019 at 6:45pm: Maybe you got confused because you only pasted half the sentence...Prices of second-hand electric and hybrid vehicles No petal. I pointed out their entire linked phrase. Or are you saying the others are all hybrids?
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Reply #44 - May 30^th, 2019 at 7:09pm

lee wrote on May 30^th, 2019 at 7:03pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 30^th, 2019 at 6:45pm:

Maybe you got confused because you only pasted half the sentence...Prices of second-hand electric and hybrid vehicles

No petal. I pointed out their entire linked phrase. Or are you saying the others are all hybrids? Wink

haha nice try to deflect to hybrids..... you thought all the cars on the link where electrics, so you didn't read the article at all, you just got it wrong, no biggy Wink

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