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Reply #15 - May 26th, 2019 at 12:41pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on May 26th, 2019 at 11:37am:
Yes I feel bad on having no other choice other than to take it up the arse at the fossil fool bowser because we are 20 years behind the rest of the world on EV uptake



And yet the solution is in your hands. I guess putting your money where your mouth is is not an option. Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #16 - May 26th, 2019 at 12:53pm
 
lee wrote on May 26th, 2019 at 12:41pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on May 26th, 2019 at 11:37am:
Yes I feel bad on having no other choice other than to take it up the arse at the fossil fool bowser because we are 20 years behind the rest of the world on EV uptake



And yet the solution is in your hands. I guess putting your money where your mouth is is not an option. Grin Grin Grin Grin

ok Lee show us where there is a affordable EV in Australia, even a second hand one with decent range..... where is his choice ?
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Reply #17 - May 26th, 2019 at 3:19pm
 
DonDeeHippy wrote on May 26th, 2019 at 12:53pm:
ok Lee show us where there is a affordable EV in Australia, even a second hand one with decent range..



Well let's see the mantra is "they don't do more than an average 50KM/day".

The Nissan Leaf is about $50k. That should be affordable for an "international business man". And that's new.

The Hyundai Ioniq at about $41k. new.



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Reply #18 - May 27th, 2019 at 7:20am
 
lee wrote on May 26th, 2019 at 3:19pm:
DonDeeHippy wrote on May 26th, 2019 at 12:53pm:
ok Lee show us where there is a affordable EV in Australia, even a second hand one with decent range..



Well let's see the mantra is "they don't do more than an average 50KM/day".

The Nissan Leaf is about $50k. That should be affordable for an "international business man". And that's new.

The Hyundai Ioniq at about $41k. new.



the leaf 2 hasn't been released in Australia yet Lee...… it is said to be about $50,000 as well.
The Ioniq is about $50,000 on road , you might be thinking of the hybrid..... no Second hand of them yet either, there have only been a a few sold so far and just not many in AUs yet because of Battery restraints....
https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/hyundai/ioniq/electric-elite-badge/

The both have a bit over 200km's of range.
For $60,000 there is aslo the Hyndai Kona with 400km's of range....
The Tesla 3 is being made for right hand drive now and should be in Aus by the end of the year and be about $50,000 - $60,000 with 450 km's of range.
In a few years there will be second hand cars available, then us poorer people should be able to afford them.
So if unless you have $50,000 to spend it's still not a option Smiley



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Reply #19 - May 27th, 2019 at 11:40am
 
lee wrote on May 26th, 2019 at 3:19pm:
DonDeeHippy wrote on May 26th, 2019 at 12:53pm:
ok Lee show us where there is a affordable EV in Australia, even a second hand one with decent range..



Well let's see the mantra is "they don't do more than an average 50KM/day".

The Nissan Leaf is about $50k. That should be affordable for an "international business man". And that's new.

The Hyundai Ioniq at about $41k. new.





don't worry china is gearing up big time in EV production and will flood the market with low cost EV's that even you can afford. They are just waiting for scumo and his crew to get kicked out and replaced by a progressive left government to encourage the up take of EV's along with a decent charging infrastructure Wink
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Reply #20 - May 27th, 2019 at 2:46pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on May 27th, 2019 at 11:40am:
They are just waiting for scumo and his crew to get kicked out and replaced by a progressive left government to encourage the up take of EV's along with a decent charging infrastructure



That must hurt. Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #21 - May 27th, 2019 at 2:47pm
 
DonDeeHippy wrote on May 27th, 2019 at 7:20am:
In a few years there will be second hand cars available, then us poorer people should be able to afford them.



With the old batteries. Wink
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Reply #22 - May 27th, 2019 at 3:36pm
 
lee wrote on May 27th, 2019 at 2:47pm:
DonDeeHippy wrote on May 27th, 2019 at 7:20am:
In a few years there will be second hand cars available, then us poorer people should be able to afford them.



With the old batteries. Wink

a car with 400km's of range will have around 1500 FULL changes, or equivalent  partial charges, so 400 x 1500 is 600,000 km's before the battery should give out, the car will fall apart before the battery Lee Smiley
I noticed Hyundai give 160km 8 year warrantee, some give unlimited 10 year ones.....
Like any second-hand car, when the warrantee is out you risk major bills if things go wrong
I know Tesla are saying they can replace sections of their batteries for a few thousand dollars, but the batteries should last 800,000km's then MIGHT need replacing...
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Reply #23 - May 27th, 2019 at 5:16pm
 
DonDeeHippy wrote on May 27th, 2019 at 3:36pm:
a car with 400km's of range will have around 1500 FULL changes, or equivalent  partial charges, so 400 x 1500 is 600,000 km's before the battery should give out, the car will fall apart before the battery Lee



That's assuming the batteries don't fail.

"Your EV's battery life can be impacted negatively in several ways:

High temperatures. Operating an EV in high temperatures can degrade the battery. Additionally, parking an EV in the sun for long periods of time can have similar degradation effects.
Overcharging/high voltages. Charging an EV beyond its voltage limit can cause internal resistance in the battery. Most batteries have built-in battery management systems (BMS), so overcharging is rarely an issue, but it is good practice to not charge your battery right up to 100% when possible.
Deep discharges/low voltages. Draining most of a battery’s capacity frequently, or completely draining an EV battery, reduces battery capacity over time.
High discharges or charge current. Pulling too much current from a battery over a certain amount of time can have detrimental effects on battery life. When possible, avoid aggressive driving patterns that might pull high amounts of current from your battery all at once.
All EV batteries will degrade over time, but avoiding the above situations can help you maximize your EV battery life."

"For example, the Nissan Leaf has a range of 107 miles brand new, and the Tesla Model S has a range of 265 miles. Driving 50 miles on one charge would use about 47 percent of the Leaf’s battery capacity, and only about 19 percent of the Tesla’s capacity. Thus, commuting on the Leaf represents a much deeper discharge than a higher capacity car like a Tesla.

Deeper discharges lead to more rapid battery degradation. It’s important to make sure the warranty you receive will cover your driving habits, especially for those who want a lower range vehicle. For more information about EV range, check out EnergySage’s overview of ranges for popular electric cars.

Regardless of which EV you decide to purchase, it is essential to talk with the manufacturer and verify the warranty you will be receiving. Especially with such an expensive part of your new vehicle on the line, it is always a good idea to confirm the specifics in the rare case that your vehicle’s battery does end up degrading rapidly."

https://www.energysage.com/electric-vehicles/buyers-guide/battery-life-for-top-e...


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Reply #24 - May 27th, 2019 at 10:36pm
 
And look at all of the sh.t that WON'T fail on an EV and that is designed to fail on fossil fool cars but no complaints from the brains trust on this front Cheesy LOL

No costly oil changes,
No oil filter to replace,
No air filter to replace,
No fuel filter to replace,
No fuel pump to block up or replace,
No spark plugs to replace,
No fuel injectors to block up or deteriorate,
No expensive catalytic converter that can fail with contaminated fuel or wear out over time,
No expensive exhaust pipe to replace,
No oxygen sensors to fail,
No head gasket problems,
No valves and valve guides to burn out,
No rocker cover oil leaks,
No main bearing leaks,
No carcinogenic sump oil to dispose of,
No hugely expensive automatic transmission to break down and replace,
No clutch to wear out,
Hugely extended brake life due to regen braking,
No fan belts to wear out and replace,
No water pump to replace,
No radiator to replace,
No alternator to replace,
No timing chain to stretch or break,
No pistons or rings to wear out,
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Reply #25 - May 28th, 2019 at 6:37am
 
lee wrote on May 27th, 2019 at 5:16pm:
DonDeeHippy wrote on May 27th, 2019 at 3:36pm:
a car with 400km's of range will have around 1500 FULL changes, or equivalent  partial charges, so 400 x 1500 is 600,000 km's before the battery should give out, the car will fall apart before the battery Lee



That's assuming the batteries don't fail.

"Your EV's battery life can be impacted negatively in several ways:

High temperatures. Operating an EV in high temperatures can degrade the battery. Additionally, parking an EV in the sun for long periods of time can have similar degradation effects.
Overcharging/high voltages. Charging an EV beyond its voltage limit can cause internal resistance in the battery. Most batteries have built-in battery management systems (BMS), so overcharging is rarely an issue, but it is good practice to not charge your battery right up to 100% when possible.
Deep discharges/low voltages. Draining most of a battery’s capacity frequently, or completely draining an EV battery, reduces battery capacity over time.
High discharges or charge current. Pulling too much current from a battery over a certain amount of time can have detrimental effects on battery life. When possible, avoid aggressive driving patterns that might pull high amounts of current from your battery all at once.
All EV batteries will degrade over time, but avoiding the above situations can help you maximize your EV battery life."

"For example, the Nissan Leaf has a range of 107 miles brand new, and the Tesla Model S has a range of 265 miles. Driving 50 miles on one charge would use about 47 percent of the Leaf’s battery capacity, and only about 19 percent of the Tesla’s capacity. Thus, commuting on the Leaf represents a much deeper discharge than a higher capacity car like a Tesla.

Deeper discharges lead to more rapid battery degradation. It’s important to make sure the warranty you receive will cover your driving habits, especially for those who want a lower range vehicle. For more information about EV range, check out EnergySage’s overview of ranges for popular electric cars.

Regardless of which EV you decide to purchase, it is essential to talk with the manufacturer and verify the warranty you will be receiving. Especially with such an expensive part of your new vehicle on the line, it is always a good idea to confirm the specifics in the rare case that your vehicle’s battery does end up degrading rapidly."

https://www.energysage.com/electric-vehicles/buyers-guide/battery-life-for-top-e...



yes and when you buy a Normal second hand car you are assuming the gearbox doesn't blow up, the diff doesn't blow up, the electrics don't blow up, the motor doesn't blow up, all these are viable risks...... Wink
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Reply #26 - May 28th, 2019 at 8:45am
 
https://insideevs.com/news/351314/nissan-leaf-battery-longevity/
Nissan keeps a close tab on battery degradation and overall charging patterns of its fleet of over 400,000 LEAFs on the road today. While many people continue to discount Nissan for its lack of active thermal management for its batteries, the automaker's data is compelling.

Recent Nissan battery life data suggests that the battery itself may last some 10-12 years beyond the life of the car. The company sees the LEAF's reasonable life at about 10 years. Managing director of Renault-Nissan Energy Services Francisco Carranza reveals that the batteries in those cars seem to have a 22-year life span.

As lithium batteries in EV's is a fairly new tech as well, they reliability of these battery pack will only become better .
As with any Seconhand vehical if it is prone to pricey repairs it just wont sell, just like most Jeeps

In the end the market will decide if used EV's are any good:) Wink
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Reply #27 - May 28th, 2019 at 12:25pm
 
DonDeeHippy wrote on May 28th, 2019 at 8:45am:
Recent Nissan battery life data suggests that the battery itself may last some 10-12 years beyond the life of the car.



Don't you just love that word "MAY"? Wink
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Reply #28 - May 28th, 2019 at 5:15pm
 
lee wrote on May 28th, 2019 at 12:25pm:
DonDeeHippy wrote on May 28th, 2019 at 8:45am:
Recent Nissan battery life data suggests that the battery itself may last some 10-12 years beyond the life of the car.



Don't you just love that word "MAY"? Wink

Just like any car MAY  give you years of reliable running after the warrantee runs out....
What is the difference ?

Or are there magic cars that wont break down ,ever ?
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Reply #29 - May 28th, 2019 at 5:31pm
 
Batteries tend not to "break down"; they fail. And that failure is a certainty. The timing is not.
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