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Reply #45 - May 28th, 2019 at 6:59pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on May 28th, 2019 at 6:31pm:
We should thank our farmers for Australia meeting its Kyoto targets as the burden was placed on them with the soy latte sipping inner city types contributing nothing.

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Both the current Government and Opposition are relying on agriculture and forestry to bear much of the burden of Australia’s emission reduction

The land sector enabled Australia to meet its recent Kyoto Protocol emission target despite significant underlying growth in greenhouse emissions from other economic sectors. This was achieved by reducing land clearing and by large-scale reforestation of farmland through Managed Investment Schemes.


Reducing clearing allowed Australia to meet its target in the Kyoto Protocol.




http://theconversation.com/are-farmers-the-future-of-carbon-management-16033



Be nice if some did some real research on this instead of looking out of a car window and having a whinge.

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https://www.economist.com/asia/2018/02/24/queensland-is-one-of-the-worlds-worst-...

MOST deforestation takes place in poor countries. In richer places, trees tend to multiply. Australia is an unhappy exception. Land clearance is rampant along its eastern coast, as farmers take advantage of lax laws to make room for cattle to feed Asia. WWF, a charity, now ranks Australia alongside Borneo and the Congo Basin as one of the world’s 11 worst “fronts” for deforestation.

The worst damage occurs in the north-eastern state of Queensland, which has more trees left to fell than places to the south, where agriculture is more established. It has been responsible for over half of Australia’s land clearance since the 1970s. Its bulldozers are at present busier than they have been for a decade. They erased 395,000 hectares of forest, including huge tracts of ancient vegetation, between 2015 and 2016—the equivalent of 1,000 rugby pitches a day. As a share of its forested area, Queensland is mowing down trees twice as fast as Brazil.

and nice if you didn't post stuff that's 6 years old.... Doesn't change the fact that many pastures are out there that are baron of tree's  Wink

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Re: Why cut down every tree?
Reply #46 - May 28th, 2019 at 7:18pm
 
Thanks Don - Australia is wrecking it's environment with
short term gains for the farmers.
They don't care if the land is wrecked forever.
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Reply #47 - May 28th, 2019 at 7:39pm
 
Bobby. wrote on May 28th, 2019 at 7:18pm:
Thanks Don - Australia is wrecking it's environment with
short term gains for the farmers.
They don't care if the land is wrecked forever.

Yes the Labor government in QLD has really done some damage to the environment and destroying our state, along with wanting Adani too. Wink
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Reply #48 - May 28th, 2019 at 8:36pm
 
DonDeeHippy wrote on May 28th, 2019 at 6:57pm:
It looks like the farmers don't like putting live stock in their cropping land as they tear it up to much and compact the land as well...So they make some of their farm into pasture and some in cropping...



Some do some don't. The difference between those who favour "no till" over "low till".

Most around here do it as part of their crop rotation policy.
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Reply #49 - May 28th, 2019 at 9:15pm
 
Bobby. wrote on May 28th, 2019 at 7:18pm:
Thanks Don - Australia is wrecking it's environment with
short term gains for the farmers.
They don't care if the land is wrecked forever.


What a complete load of bovine excrement. Is there a topic on this planet you know less on?

Go give yourself an uppercut for being so completely stupid.

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Reply #50 - May 28th, 2019 at 9:24pm
 
Bobby. wrote on May 27th, 2019 at 7:40pm:
Rider wrote on May 27th, 2019 at 7:32pm:
Yeah I did, you went for a drive and that gave you all the knowledge to sprout about how farmers should run their businesses. How about you mind your own business and let them people who do the real work get on with it whilst you can sit down and have a Bex.
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I was referring to the 3 links - try again.


How about this from your op..


Governments should force farmers to plant trees on their land.
What is your opinion?

I reckon you and Governments should butt the hell out of everything you clearly know jack about, you can add the three activist green trash university dogs to that list too.
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Reply #51 - May 28th, 2019 at 10:50pm
 
Rider wrote on May 28th, 2019 at 9:15pm:
Bobby. wrote on May 28th, 2019 at 7:18pm:
Thanks Don - Australia is wrecking it's environment with
short term gains for the farmers.
They don't care if the land is wrecked forever.


What a complete load of bovine excrement. Is there a topic on this planet you know less on?

Go give yourself an uppercut for being so completely stupid.




Apologise and get an education from Bobby:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desertification


Desertification


From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Not to be confused with Decertification or Desertion.
Global desertification vulnerability map
Lake Chad in a 2001 satellite image, with the actual lake in blue. The lake has shrunk by 94% since the 1960s.[1]

Desertification is a type of land degradation in which a relatively dry area of land becomes a desert, typically losing its bodies of water as well as vegetation and wildlife.[2] It is caused by a variety of factors, such as through climate change (particularly the current global warming)[3] and through the overexploitation of soil through human activity.[4] When deserts appear automatically over the natural course of a planet's life cycle, then it can be called a natural phenomenon; however, when deserts emerge due to the rampant and unchecked depletion of nutrients in soil that are essential for it to remain arable, then a virtual "soil death" can be spoken of,[5] which traces its cause back to human overexploitation. Desertification is a significant global ecological and environmental problem with far reaching consequences on socio-economic and political conditions.[6]


Causes


Preventing man-made overgrazing
Goats inside of a pen in Norte Chico, Chile. Overgrazing of drylands by poorly managed traditional herding is one of the primary causes of desertification.
Wildebeest in Masai Mara during the Great Migration. Overgrazing is not caused by nomadic grazers in huge populations of travel herds,[33][34] nor by holistic planned grazing.[35]

The immediate cause is the loss of most vegetation. This is driven by a number of factors, alone or in combination, such as drought, climatic shifts, tillage for agriculture, overgrazing and deforestation for fuel or construction materials. Vegetation plays a major role in determining the biological composition of the soil. Studies have shown that, in many environments, the rate of erosion and runoff decreases exponentially with increased vegetation cover.[36] Unprotected, dry soil surfaces blow away with the wind or are washed away by flash floods, leaving infertile lower soil layers that bake in the sun and become an unproductive hardpan.

Many scientists think that one of the most common causes is overgrazing, too much consumption of vegetation by cattle. Controversially, Allan Savory has claimed that the controlled movement of herds of livestock, mimicking herds of grazing wildlife, can reverse desertification.[37][38][39][40][41]
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Reply #52 - May 29th, 2019 at 7:04am
 
Rider wrote on May 28th, 2019 at 9:24pm:
Bobby. wrote on May 27th, 2019 at 7:40pm:
Rider wrote on May 27th, 2019 at 7:32pm:
Yeah I did, you went for a drive and that gave you all the knowledge to sprout about how farmers should run their businesses. How about you mind your own business and let them people who do the real work get on with it whilst you can sit down and have a Bex.
R



I was referring to the 3 links - try again.


How about this from your op..


Governments should force farmers to plant trees on their land.
What is your opinion?

I reckon you and Governments should butt the hell out of everything you clearly know jack about, you can add the three activist green trash university dogs to that list too.

I agree with you that farmers shouldn't be forced to plant trees; from corridors , to making paddocks better..... Just education and real trials so see the benefits , if a scattering of tree's make a paddock more productive then they will want to plant tree's.

As you say we have smart farmers  Wink
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Reply #53 - May 29th, 2019 at 12:41pm
 
Bobby. wrote on May 28th, 2019 at 10:50pm:
Lake Chad in a 2001 satellite image, with the actual lake in blue. The lake has shrunk by 94% since the 1960s.[1]



Ah yes. The great dam conundrum. Dam the inflow. Lake Chad is shallow. The water is warmer in shallow lakes. Evaporation rises.

Nothing to do with farming.

"How Big Water Projects Helped Trigger Africa’s Migrant Crisis"

https://e360.yale.edu/features/how-africas-big-water-projects-helped-trigger-the...

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Reply #54 - May 29th, 2019 at 7:51pm
 
DonDeeHippy wrote on May 28th, 2019 at 6:59pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on May 28th, 2019 at 6:31pm:
We should thank our farmers for Australia meeting its Kyoto targets as the burden was placed on them with the soy latte sipping inner city types contributing nothing.

Quote:

Both the current Government and Opposition are relying on agriculture and forestry to bear much of the burden of Australia’s emission reduction

The land sector enabled Australia to meet its recent Kyoto Protocol emission target despite significant underlying growth in greenhouse emissions from other economic sectors. This was achieved by reducing land clearing and by large-scale reforestation of farmland through Managed Investment Schemes.


Reducing clearing allowed Australia to meet its target in the Kyoto Protocol.




http://theconversation.com/are-farmers-the-future-of-carbon-management-16033



Be nice if some did some real research on this instead of looking out of a car window and having a whinge.

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

https://www.economist.com/asia/2018/02/24/queensland-is-one-of-the-worlds-worst-...

MOST deforestation takes place in poor countries. In richer places, trees tend to multiply. Australia is an unhappy exception. Land clearance is rampant along its eastern coast, as farmers take advantage of lax laws to make room for cattle to feed Asia. WWF, a charity, now ranks Australia alongside Borneo and the Congo Basin as one of the world’s 11 worst “fronts” for deforestation.

The worst damage occurs in the north-eastern state of Queensland, which has more trees left to fell than places to the south, where agriculture is more established. It has been responsible for over half of Australia’s land clearance since the 1970s. Its bulldozers are at present busier than they have been for a decade. They erased 395,000 hectares of forest, including huge tracts of ancient vegetation, between 2015 and 2016—the equivalent of 1,000 rugby pitches a day. As a share of its forested area, Queensland is mowing down trees twice as fast as Brazil.

and nice if you didn't post stuff that's 6 years old.... Doesn't change the fact that many pastures are out there that are baron of tree's  Wink



I know 395000ha sounds a lot to you urban people, but keep in mind Qld is 1.853 million sq. km in size.  So not so much then.

But importantly, how many Olympic swimming pools of greenies tears get filled when two D10's link up with 250 foot of anchor chain a start pulling low value scrub to seed down with buffalo grass....you know, to grow beef to feed you.
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Reply #55 - May 30th, 2019 at 8:29am
 
Rider wrote on May 29th, 2019 at 7:51pm:
DonDeeHippy wrote on May 28th, 2019 at 6:59pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on May 28th, 2019 at 6:31pm:
We should thank our farmers for Australia meeting its Kyoto targets as the burden was placed on them with the soy latte sipping inner city types contributing nothing.

Quote:

Both the current Government and Opposition are relying on agriculture and forestry to bear much of the burden of Australia’s emission reduction

The land sector enabled Australia to meet its recent Kyoto Protocol emission target despite significant underlying growth in greenhouse emissions from other economic sectors. This was achieved by reducing land clearing and by large-scale reforestation of farmland through Managed Investment Schemes.


Reducing clearing allowed Australia to meet its target in the Kyoto Protocol.




http://theconversation.com/are-farmers-the-future-of-carbon-management-16033



Be nice if some did some real research on this instead of looking out of a car window and having a whinge.

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

https://www.economist.com/asia/2018/02/24/queensland-is-one-of-the-worlds-worst-...

MOST deforestation takes place in poor countries. In richer places, trees tend to multiply. Australia is an unhappy exception. Land clearance is rampant along its eastern coast, as farmers take advantage of lax laws to make room for cattle to feed Asia. WWF, a charity, now ranks Australia alongside Borneo and the Congo Basin as one of the world’s 11 worst “fronts” for deforestation.

The worst damage occurs in the north-eastern state of Queensland, which has more trees left to fell than places to the south, where agriculture is more established. It has been responsible for over half of Australia’s land clearance since the 1970s. Its bulldozers are at present busier than they have been for a decade. They erased 395,000 hectares of forest, including huge tracts of ancient vegetation, between 2015 and 2016—the equivalent of 1,000 rugby pitches a day. As a share of its forested area, Queensland is mowing down trees twice as fast as Brazil.

and nice if you didn't post stuff that's 6 years old.... Doesn't change the fact that many pastures are out there that are baron of tree's  Wink



I know 395000ha sounds a lot to you urban people, but keep in mind Qld is 1.853 million sq. km in size.  So not so much then.

But importantly, how many Olympic swimming pools of greenies tears get filled when two D10's link up with 250 foot of anchor chain a start pulling low value scrub to seed down with buffalo grass....you know, to grow beef to feed you.

yup and then when it turns into a dust bowl during the first drought because there are no tree's or checks to keep viable, these same people scream at the urban dwellers to dig deep and donate them money to feed those cattle... Disgraceful land management and unsustainable... Wink
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Reply #56 - May 30th, 2019 at 1:11pm
 
BTW- Did you know Australia's native forests were not included in the Kyoto Protocol?
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Reply #57 - May 30th, 2019 at 5:53pm
 
lee wrote on May 30th, 2019 at 1:11pm:
BTW- Did you know Australia's native forests were not included in the Kyoto Protocol?


Define native forests in this context please.  Can't see where this goes.....like no one was out there clearing national parks.....but privately owned land, grazing or farming land was impacted immediately by the largest state sponsored property rights theft known in Australia's history.

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Reply #58 - May 30th, 2019 at 5:59pm
 
Rider wrote on May 30th, 2019 at 5:53pm:
Define native forests in this context please. 


Exactly as stated. No native forests. Only plantation forests.
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Reply #59 - May 30th, 2019 at 6:37pm
 
lee wrote on May 30th, 2019 at 5:59pm:
Rider wrote on May 30th, 2019 at 5:53pm:
Define native forests in this context please. 


Exactly as stated. No native forests. Only plantation forests.


Do you mean forestry operations?
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