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Reply #15 - May 25th, 2019 at 12:57pm
 
Redmond Neck wrote on May 25th, 2019 at 12:53pm:
John Smith wrote on May 25th, 2019 at 12:50pm:
Redmond Neck wrote on May 25th, 2019 at 12:49pm:



to claim any of that you need room on your land to plant the tree's in the first place. The best way to create more room is to chop down existing trees. It's not rocket science.


Sounds like a coalitions sort of method!  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


you can't call the libs idiots ... if there is a way to divert taxpayers funds to their mates, you can bet that they'll find it.

It's the people who vote for them who you can call idiots.
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Reply #16 - May 25th, 2019 at 1:01pm
 
Bobby. wrote on May 24th, 2019 at 10:16pm:
A long time ago I actually voted for the Greens - maybe 15 years ago?
But - that party was hijacked by homos and Marxists so they lost their original & correct ideas.


That's true, it turned me off the Greens, I respected them when they were only environmentalists, but they went off the rails making it impossible for them to lift their vote count
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Reply #17 - May 25th, 2019 at 1:16pm
 
Bias_2012 wrote on May 25th, 2019 at 1:01pm:
Bobby. wrote on May 24th, 2019 at 10:16pm:
A long time ago I actually voted for the Greens - maybe 15 years ago?
But - that party was hijacked by homos and Marxists so they lost their original & correct ideas.


That's true, it turned me off the Greens, I respected them when they were only environmentalists, but they went off the rails making it impossible for them to lift their vote count



Thanks - it's good to see someone agreeing with me.
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Reply #18 - May 25th, 2019 at 1:17pm
 
Redmond Neck wrote on May 25th, 2019 at 12:51pm:
Carbon farming scheme pays money to plant trees

First gold, then iron ore and coal. Now carbon farming is shaping as a new boom industry for regional Australia.

While critics of the $2.55 billion Emissions Reduction Fund have lampooned the idea of paying farmers to grow trees rather than stop big polluters from cutting their emissions, proponents say it could help create much needed jobs in the regions.

West Australian Indigenous elder Kado Muir says the $40 million contract won by the Goldfields Carbon Group to grow millions of trees near Kalgoorlie will not only help save the environment, but also deliver hundreds of jobs for Indigenous Australians.

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https://www.afr.com/news/politics/carbon-farming-scheme-pays-money-to-plant-tree...



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the link is for subscribers only.
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Reply #19 - May 25th, 2019 at 1:22pm
 
That is weird I can access it and am not a subscriber!
https://www.afr.com/news/politics/carbon-farming-scheme-pays-money-to-plant-tree...

First gold, then iron ore and coal. Now carbon farming is shaping as a new boom industry for regional Australia.

While critics of the $2.55 billion Emissions Reduction Fund have lampooned the idea of paying farmers to grow trees rather than stop big polluters from cutting their emissions, proponents say it could help create much needed jobs in the regions.

West Australian Indigenous elder Kado Muir says the $40 million contract won by the Goldfields Carbon Group to grow millions of trees near Kalgoorlie will not only help save the environment, but also deliver hundreds of jobs for Indigenous Australians.

Traditional owner Kado Muir says planting trees will save the environment and create jobs. Tyne Logan

The federal government has awarded more than $1.7 billion from its $2.55 billion Emissions Reduction Fund with most of the money being allocated to land-use projects.

"This is a full-grown commercial employment opportunity for Aboriginal people that has massive environmental outcomes and about bringing youth back to old pastoral lands that have partly been abandoned," Mr Muir told The Weekend Financial Review.

"If land has been damaged after generations of farming, the environment suffers – this is a way to fix it up."

Mr Muir, who is running on the WA Nationals Senate ticket in the July 2 election, says the Walkatjurra Rangers will be contracted to do the seed collecting, planting and maintaining of the land which is on former and current pastoral leases. Some planting machines will also be used.

Entrepreneur Rod Carter, a former school teacher in Kalgoorlie, is behind the Goldfield Renewal Project which is aiming to plant 40 million trees on 200,000 hectares during the first 10 years of the scheme.

The first stage of the project has been contracted to deliver almost 4 million tonnes of carbon abatement from the planting of Mulga and sandalwood trees. At an average contract price of just over $10 a tonne, that could deliver $40 million over the 10-year contract.

He has ambitions to plant 1 billion trees on 3 million hectares on "The "Woodlines" land which was cleared through the Kalgoorlie goldfields over the past 150 years.

"Hundreds of millions of trees were cut down during an 80-year period. It's the largest area of deforestation in Australia. It's our intention with this project to basically replace those trees that were cut down," says Mr Carter.

"We're not looking at the Emissions Reduction Fund as a panacea, just to get started. This will create a massive footprint of carbon for Australia."

Big business has shied away from the first three auctions by the Clean Energy Regulator with 47.2 million of the 50.5 million tonnes allocated from the latest auction from vegetation programs.

Farmers, companies and Indigenous groups have won contracts to reduce carbon emissions by growing trees, burning savanna woodland or collecting and burning gas from landfill.

Climate Friendly director Josh Harris, who is co-ordinating more than 60 projects across Australia, says the Emissions Reduction Fund had spurned a new industry.

He says smaller companies are jumping in because they can make key decisions relatively quickly without waiting for the board of a publicly listed company to decide which price to bid in the twice-yearly silent auctions.

"There is a bunch of big industrial projects but they just haven't been successful in these auctions. Farmers are turning to these projects because things like cattle aren't paying the bills anymore," he says.

"We think carbon will be the next wave of economic development for these rural communities. We've seen gold and iron ore, now it's carbon. There's been huge growth for us."

Climate Friendly uses Google Maps and project officers to help keep track of carbon farming projects, measuring trees (for how much carbon they are absorbing) and filling in the paperwork for the federal government. They are using methodology provided by the CSIRO and the Department of Environment.

The information is then audited and sent to the Clean Energy Regulator. Proponents are not paid their annual instalments unless targets are reached.

Clean Energy Regulator chairwoman Chloe Munro said while the legislation focused on purchasing carbon abatement at the lower cost, there were other benefits from the scheme.

"We are single-mindedly focused on carbon abatement but these schemes do have other benefits such as encouraging entrepreneurial activities and innovation. We are seeing new business arise that weren't there before," she says.

But Climate Institute chief executive John Connor said the Emissions Reduction Fund was not doing enough to stop Australia's carbon emissions from continuing to rise and more needed to be done to reach the Coalition's target of 26 to 28 per cent reduction by 2030.

"We now urgently need to get down to the policies that matter – this process should start with a closure plan for Australia's old and inefficient coal-burning power plants so they can be replaced with clean energy alternatives over the next 20 years," he said.
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Reply #20 - May 25th, 2019 at 1:29pm
 
Thanks Red - that sounds good.
I don't know about growing huge forests which could cause massive bush fires in summer.
I was thinking more of isolated patches of trees which
would be easier to control during bush fires.

Imagine a small farm of say 20 to 50 acres.
In the middle there is a patch of trees.
In the summer - cattle or sheep take shade under those trees.
Birds can nest there.
Those birds eat all the grasshoppers, locusts & other insects.
The whole thing just makes sense.
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Reply #21 - May 25th, 2019 at 1:34pm
 
Bobby. wrote on May 25th, 2019 at 1:29pm:
Thanks Red - that sounds good.
I don't know about growing huge forests which could cause massive bush fires in summer.
I was thinking more of isolated patches of trees which
would be easier to control during bush fires.

Imagine a small farm of say 20 to 50 acres.
In the middle there is a patch of trees.
In the summer - cattle or sheep take shade under those trees.
Birds can nest there.
Those birds eat all the grasshoppers, locusts & other insects.
The whole thing just makes sense.


I have always thought they should plant trees around the edges of their paddocks which would also reduce to some degree the land drying out by strong winds and provide some shade to the grass growing near the trees .


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Reply #22 - May 25th, 2019 at 1:40pm
 
https://trees.org/faqs/

WORTH A LOOK

1. How does the Forest Garden program work?

Trees for the Future (TREES) plant all sorts of trees and plants, and nearly all of the trees we use are either native or naturalized in the environments where we plant them. We partner with farmers to understand their needs and match them with species that will suit their needs and be environmentally benign.

The farmers we work with learn to grow a variety of fast-growing trees, fruit trees, hardwoods and vegetables. We use the fast-growing trees to secure and stabilize degraded lands. Then we help the farmer diversify his field with fruit trees and hardwoods. Farmers intercrop vegetables and field crops among the trees.

TREES Forest Garden Project methodology follows a phased approach that begins with mobilizing resources and stakeholders, then guides farmers through a series of steps, over the course of up to four years, through which they learn to design, establish, and manage their Forest Gardens before graduating from the program. The five-phase approach includes:

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Reply #23 - May 25th, 2019 at 1:51pm
 
Redmond Neck wrote on May 25th, 2019 at 1:34pm:
Bobby. wrote on May 25th, 2019 at 1:29pm:
Thanks Red - that sounds good.
I don't know about growing huge forests which could cause massive bush fires in summer.
I was thinking more of isolated patches of trees which
would be easier to control during bush fires.

Imagine a small farm of say 20 to 50 acres.
In the middle there is a patch of trees.
In the summer - cattle or sheep take shade under those trees.
Birds can nest there.
Those birds eat all the grasshoppers, locusts & other insects.
The whole thing just makes sense.


I have always thought they should plant trees around the edges of their paddocks which would also reduce to some degree the land drying out by strong winds and provide some shade to the grass growing near the trees.




Yes - there should be trees around the edges of farms but
also some in the middle.
There shouldn't be 100s of kilometers of no trees at all.
Some farmers say that - ohh the trees will shade some of the areas & grass won't grown in the shade.
they have all sorts of excuses.
In fact - if you take a look in summer -
the grass grows better with a bit of shade from the hot sun.
It survives better in a drought.
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Reply #24 - May 26th, 2019 at 4:48pm
 
Here's a solution...if you wanna put more trees on farms..

1. Stump up the cash and buy the farm.
2. Plant trees till you run out of your own money.

Alternatively, mind your own business, what is it with armchair city know it alls whose environment comprises bitumen and concrete telling agriculturists how they should operate?
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Reply #25 - May 26th, 2019 at 4:50pm
 
Rider wrote on May 26th, 2019 at 4:48pm:
Here's a solution...if you wanna put more trees on farms..

1. Stump up the cash and buy the farm.
2. Plant trees till you run out of your own money.

Alternatively, mind your own business, what is it with armchair city know it alls whose environment comprises bitumen and concrete telling agriculturists how they should operate?


You are a deadshit!


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Reply #26 - May 26th, 2019 at 5:13pm
 
Redmond Neck wrote on May 26th, 2019 at 4:50pm:
Rider wrote on May 26th, 2019 at 4:48pm:
Here's a solution...if you wanna put more trees on farms..

1. Stump up the cash and buy the farm.
2. Plant trees till you run out of your own money.

Alternatively, mind your own business, what is it with armchair city know it alls whose environment comprises bitumen and concrete telling agriculturists how they should operate?


You are a deadshit!




What are you gonna do? You sound angry, are the local hoons doing burnouts out front of your trailer?
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Reply #27 - May 26th, 2019 at 7:38pm
 
Rider wrote on May 26th, 2019 at 4:48pm:
Here's a solution...if you wanna put more trees on farms..

1. Stump up the cash and buy the farm.
2. Plant trees till you run out of your own money.

Alternatively, mind your own business, what is it with armchair city know it alls whose environment comprises bitumen and concrete telling agriculturists how they should operate?



You don't have to be Einstein to know that cutting every tree is wrong.
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Reply #28 - May 27th, 2019 at 8:02am
 
https://www.theland.com.au/story/5064740/grazing-under-timber/

This Farming group have converted their paddocks for Hardwood cultivation, since doing it they still have the same amount of cattle on the properties and look like they will get more than when it used to be Barron Paddocks... The added benefit in the future they will be able to sell the wood.

“This place ran 300 breeders before we took over," said Mr McKenna. "We are now running 300 in-calf heifers among three year old trees and we think we can increase those numbers.”

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Reply #29 - May 27th, 2019 at 8:12am
 
DonDeeHippy wrote on May 27th, 2019 at 8:02am:
https://www.theland.com.au/story/5064740/grazing-under-timber/

This Farming group have converted their paddocks for Hardwood cultivation, since doing it they still have the same amount of cattle on the properties and look like they will get more than when it used to be Barron Paddocks... The added benefit in the future they will be able to sell the wood.

“This place ran 300 breeders before we took over," said Mr McKenna. "We are now running 300 in-calf heifers among three year old trees and we think we can increase those numbers.”

Wink




Thanks - that's a good story to support cattle & trees.
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