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Reply #60 - Jun 1st, 2019 at 4:24pm
 
mortdooley wrote on May 31st, 2019 at 11:33pm:
Poor brian, I see I have hurt your feelings again. I don't suppose you have applied for that federal license so you can own Ralphies Red Rider BB Gun yet.


I don't need and I don't want no gun, Mort.  I got rid of all my desires for guns when I was in the Army.  Unlike the overwhelming majority of gun nuts who like to hug their fetish objects to themselves at night, I have a wife for that.

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mythical, tyrannical government


Venezuela is a model for the long term plans of the Left. In 1998 the people voted in Hugo Chavez and everything was going to be great because he imposed redistribution on producers of wealth. As bad as it has become their people probably don't accept they did this to themselves. They voted for more government handouts and lost their country! Why would you believe it couldn't happen here or over there? Those are famous last words when freedom is lost to a "mythical, tyrannical government"!

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-19652436


Oh, yes, Mort everybody who believes in fairness and decency is just a member of the Borg.  We all think the same, we all act the same, right?  We all look the same as well.   Grow up, Mort.  Venezuela is a unique case, one that cannot be applied to other nations.

Here's a question for you, Mort.  According to the NRA and like minded Americans, all Communist regimes automatically control guns in their societies, right?  So, how did the Revolutions of 1989 start across Eastern Europe?  All those guns, which appeared like magic from somewhere...   Roll Eyes

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Insulting the message


I can't imagine that you could find any crowd in any Western Country that would have twenty five percent of people who believe the Sun revolves around the Earth. At best surveys can represent how questions are asked and who they ask to get a somewhat different answer. Maybe it was a survey of Americans 4 to 7 years old or the aged with dementia. Unfortunately you could probably ask most younger Americans about their favorite Sports Figure or Celebrity and they could give you more facts about their Idols then you would ever care to know. Maybe the old saw is represented here, you ask a stupid question, you get a stupid answer!


Still unwilling to actually address the message.  Still making excuses.  Face facts, your society is full of dumb people who believe what they were told in Sunday School.  What a bunch of weirdos and losers, hey?  The sun revolves around the Earth.  Pre-historic man lived with the Dinosaurs.  Yeah, sure.   Roll Eyes

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I am referring to the scientists who have been forecasting about Global Warming now for nearly a generation and their forecasts appear to being proved right.


Global Warming is a religion, not a science. As I have stated in the past, it is a scam to transfer wealth by creating a system of carbon credits that can be sold between countries. China buys the assigned credits from third world,non industrialized countries and its air and water are still poisoned. Topographic Maps show the contours of land masses among many other features. Water seeks its own level and will flow to rivers, canals and oceans. When the original paths are interrupted by development it changes those paths and can cause flooding where it never flooded before. It isn't the rise of Oceans or global temperatures and the Ice Caps are not shrinking.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/02/15/el-nino-effects-climate-we...


So, now the US meteorologists have it wrong when they talk about the el nino effect?   You really are a weirdo, Mort.   Downunder, we see what the el nina does to us everytime it happens - droughts, cyclones and storms.   Time to grow up and face the music, this is what your government - all governments have done to the world.

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That's all the time I have for you today, the Stock Market is opening and needs my attention!


Enjoy it while you can, Mort.  I hope you have your space on the window ledge booked...   Wink
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Reply #62 - Jun 1st, 2019 at 11:31pm
 
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Oh, yes, Mort everybody who believes in fairness and decency is just a member of the Borg.  We all think the same, we all act the same, right?  We all look the same as well.   Grow up, Mort.  Venezuela is a unique case, one that cannot be applied to other nations.

Here's a question for you, Mort.  According to the NRA and like minded Americans, all Communist regimes automatically control guns in their societies, right?  So, how did the Revolutions of 1989 start across Eastern Europe?  All those guns, which appeared like magic from somewhere...


Everybody says the same thing "We will do socialism right", Venezuela is no different than any other society that decided to make people share the wealth. When Chavez met Obama he embarrassed him by trying to give him a copy of "Open Veins of Latin America: Five Centuries of the Pillage of a Continent".

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/apr/19/obama-chavez-book-gift-latin-ameri...

You ask because you don't know history! At the end of the Second World War there were so many small arms that disappeared into private ownership all over the continent that were available when needed. They certainly didn't go down to the local Gun Store and buy the latest CZ.

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Still unwilling to actually address the message.  Still making excuses.  Face facts, your society is full of dumb people who believe what they were told in Sunday School.  What a bunch of weirdos and losers, hey?  The sun revolves around the Earth.  Pre-historic man lived with the Dinosaurs.  Yeah, sure


I guess your Mom made you go to Sunday School and you resent it.

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So, now the US meteorologists have it wrong when they talk about the el nino effect?   You really are a weirdo, Mort.   Downunder, we see what the el nina does to us everytime it happens - droughts, cyclones and storms.   Time to grow up and face the music, this is what your government - all governments have done to the world.


https://www.eagles.org/take-action/wind-turbine-fatalities/

Birds don't believe in Wind Farms and millions die each year when they fly into them. A half a million in the US alone, what does that do to the food chain and environment? As for droughts, cyclones and storms that are called "The Weather", the Earth has always had weather and it is cyclical! Our forecasters can't get next week right so why should I believe they can get long term conditions right?

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Enjoy it while you can, Mort.  I hope you have your space on the window ledge booked


Now that is just down right mean spirited. That is the difference between our positions, I have never stated a wish to see you or any of the other brain dead zombies here come to harm!

We live in a world of Fiat Currency and if the Market were to crash it would take away the jobs of people who never owned any stock. If it fell I would still have assets to keep us comfortable. Elections have consequences and I have used "stop loss" successfully in the past. Democrats only want two classes of people, the Rich and the "dependent on government poor"!
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Re: 15th State To Ditch Electoral College
Reply #63 - Jun 3rd, 2019 at 1:07pm
 
mortdooley wrote on Jun 1st, 2019 at 11:31pm:
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Oh, yes, Mort everybody who believes in fairness and decency is just a member of the Borg.  We all think the same, we all act the same, right?  We all look the same as well.   Grow up, Mort.  Venezuela is a unique case, one that cannot be applied to other nations.

Here's a question for you, Mort.  According to the NRA and like minded Americans, all Communist regimes automatically control guns in their societies, right?  So, how did the Revolutions of 1989 start across Eastern Europe?  All those guns, which appeared like magic from somewhere...


Everybody says the same thing "We will do socialism right", Venezuela is no different than any other society that decided to make people share the wealth. When Chavez met Obama he embarrassed him by trying to give him a copy of "Open Veins of Latin America: Five Centuries of the Pillage of a Continent".


You obviously don't know or understand the history Latin and Southern America, do you, Mort?  The US has exploited that region for over 150 years.  It has imposed it's will on the people and forced them to accept tyrants and dictators.  You wonder why they resent America?  Really?

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You ask because you don't know history! At the end of the Second World War there were so many small arms that disappeared into private ownership all over the continent that were available when needed. They certainly didn't go down to the local Gun Store and buy the latest CZ.


A great theory but what does it do to the claims by the Gun Nuts that Tyrants immediately enact gun control?  You cannot have one and then accept the other, Mort, now can you?

In reality, most of the firearms used during the Eastern European revolutions were acquired from the Peoples' Militia armouries.  AK47s and all the other Eastern weapons.  Few WWII weapons were used.  The main problem faced with using WWII weapons is the lack of ammunition available for them.  Plenty of ammunition for AKs.

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Still unwilling to actually address the message.  Still making excuses.  Face facts, your society is full of dumb people who believe what they were told in Sunday School.  What a bunch of weirdos and losers, hey?  The sun revolves around the Earth.  Pre-historic man lived with the Dinosaurs.  Yeah, sure


I guess your Mom made you go to Sunday School and you resent it.


Nope.  Never went to Sunday School, Mort.  Sunday School is an unusual event downunder and really only available to Protestants.  Never had an interest in doing so as I went to a religious school as a young'un.

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So, now the US meteorologists have it wrong when they talk about the el nino effect?   You really are a weirdo, Mort.   Downunder, we see what the el nina does to us everytime it happens - droughts, cyclones and storms.   Time to grow up and face the music, this is what your government - all governments have done to the world.


https://www.eagles.org/take-action/wind-turbine-fatalities/

Birds don't believe in Wind Farms and millions die each year when they fly into them. A half a million in the US alone, what does that do to the food chain and environment? As for droughts, cyclones and storms that are called "The Weather", the Earth has always had weather and it is cyclical! Our forecasters can't get next week right so why should I believe they can get long term conditions right?


Excuse me?  Is this an admission that you don't really know what you're talking about so you decide to change the subject, Mort?  Really?    Roll Eyes

Bird fatalities occur all the time.  Birds, other animals all hunt birds and kill them.  Birds get hit by cars, killed by humans deliberately as well as accidently.  Who cares?   It is the way of the world.  Natural selection will weed out the birds who are stupid and the smarter ones which know to avoid wind turbines will survive.   Roll Eyes

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Enjoy it while you can, Mort.  I hope you have your space on the window ledge booked


Now that is just down right mean spirited. That is the difference between our positions, I have never stated a wish to see you or any of the other brain dead zombies here come to harm!


Where did I say I wished you harm, Mort?  All I suggested was that if you play the market you should expect to come crashing down.  If you want to harm yourself, go for it.

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We live in a world of Fiat Currency and if the Market were to crash it would take away the jobs of people who never owned any stock. If it fell I would still have assets to keep us comfortable. Elections have consequences and I have used "stop loss" successfully in the past. Democrats only want two classes of people, the Rich and the "dependent on government poor"!


I have more than enough assets to keep me comfortable, Mort, market or not.   Roll Eyes
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Reply #64 - Jun 3rd, 2019 at 3:11pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jun 3rd, 2019 at 1:07pm:
I have more than enough assets to keep me comfortable........


Yeah ya bludger, everyone else's assets that is.....you never earned a penny on yer own ya leach!!!   Cheesy Grin Grin Grin

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Reply #65 - Jun 3rd, 2019 at 5:52pm
 
Panther wrote on Jun 3rd, 2019 at 3:11pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jun 3rd, 2019 at 1:07pm:
I have more than enough assets to keep me comfortable........


Yeah ya bludger, everyone else's assets that is.....you never earned a penny on yer own ya leach!!!   Cheesy Grin Grin Grin



Really?  That will be news to my accountant, Panther.  I earnt over $Au120,000 dollars last financial year.  Unlike you, ensconced in your mother's basement, hey?   Roll Eyes
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Reply #66 - Jun 3rd, 2019 at 6:01pm
 
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In order to have the desired affect 270 votes are required (presently they have 195).


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Reply #67 - Jun 6th, 2019 at 12:01pm
 
freediver wrote on Jun 3rd, 2019 at 6:01pm:
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In order to have the desired affect 270 votes are required (presently they have 195).


Why?


The winner of the presidential election must win the majority of the electoral votes — that is at least 270 out of the 538 available.


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Reply #68 - Jun 6th, 2019 at 9:53pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jun 3rd, 2019 at 1:07pm:
mortdooley wrote on Jun 1st, 2019 at 11:31pm:
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Oh, yes, Mort everybody who believes in fairness and decency is just a member of the Borg.  We all think the same, we all act the same, right?  We all look the same as well.   Grow up, Mort.  Venezuela is a unique case, one that cannot be applied to other nations.

Here's a question for you, Mort.  According to the NRA and like minded Americans, all Communist regimes automatically control guns in their societies, right?  So, how did the Revolutions of 1989 start across Eastern Europe?  All those guns, which appeared like magic from somewhere...


Everybody says the same thing "We will do socialism right", Venezuela is no different than any other society that decided to make people share the wealth. When Chavez met Obama he embarrassed him by trying to give him a copy of "Open Veins of Latin America: Five Centuries of the Pillage of a Continent".


You obviously don't know or understand the history Latin and Southern America, do you, Mort?  The US has exploited that region for over 150 years.  It has imposed it's will on the people and forced them to accept tyrants and dictators.  You wonder why they resent America?  Really?

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You ask because you don't know history! At the end of the Second World War there were so many small arms that disappeared into private ownership all over the continent that were available when needed. They certainly didn't go down to the local Gun Store and buy the latest CZ.


A great theory but what does it do to the claims by the Gun Nuts that Tyrants immediately enact gun control?  You cannot have one and then accept the other, Mort, now can you?

In reality, most of the firearms used during the Eastern European revolutions were acquired from the Peoples' Militia armouries.  AK47s and all the other Eastern weapons.  Few WWII weapons were used.  The main problem faced with using WWII weapons is the lack of ammunition available for them.  Plenty of ammunition for AKs.

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Still unwilling to actually address the message.  Still making excuses.  Face facts, your society is full of dumb people who believe what they were told in Sunday School.  What a bunch of weirdos and losers, hey?  The sun revolves around the Earth.  Pre-historic man lived with the Dinosaurs.  Yeah, sure


I guess your Mom made you go to Sunday School and you resent it.


Nope.  Never went to Sunday School, Mort.  Sunday School is an unusual event downunder and really only available to Protestants.  Never had an interest in doing so as I went to a religious school as a young'un.

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So, now the US meteorologists have it wrong when they talk about the el nino effect?   You really are a weirdo, Mort.   Downunder, we see what the el nina does to us everytime it happens - droughts, cyclones and storms.   Time to grow up and face the music, this is what your government - all governments have done to the world.


https://www.eagles.org/take-action/wind-turbine-fatalities/

Birds don't believe in Wind Farms and millions die each year when they fly into them. A half a million in the US alone, what does that do to the food chain and environment? As for droughts, cyclones and storms that are called "The Weather", the Earth has always had weather and it is cyclical! Our forecasters can't get next week right so why should I believe they can get long term conditions right?


Excuse me?  Is this an admission that you don't really know what you're talking about so you decide to change the subject, Mort?  Really?    Roll Eyes

Bird fatalities occur all the time.  Birds, other animals all hunt birds and kill them.  Birds get hit by cars, killed by humans deliberately as well as accidently.  Who cares?   It is the way of the world.  Natural selection will weed out the birds who are stupid and the smarter ones which know to avoid wind turbines will survive.   Roll Eyes

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Enjoy it while you can, Mort.  I hope you have your space on the window ledge booked


Now that is just down right mean spirited. That is the difference between our positions, I have never stated a wish to see you or any of the other brain dead zombies here come to harm!


Where did I say I wished you harm, Mort?  All I suggested was that if you play the market you should expect to come crashing down.  If you want to harm yourself, go for it.

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We live in a world of Fiat Currency and if the Market were to crash it would take away the jobs of people who never owned any stock. If it fell I would still have assets to keep us comfortable. Elections have consequences and I have used "stop loss" successfully in the past. Democrats only want two classes of people, the Rich and the "dependent on government poor"!


I have more than enough assets to keep me comfortable, Mort, market or not.   Roll Eyes




Don't think I have forgotten you, I am in Florida with only my phone. Be back in a couple more days.
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Reply #69 - Jun 6th, 2019 at 9:59pm
 
Perfectly understandable, Mort. Why would an Amerikan post on an Australian politics board - from a phone in Florida?
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Karnal wrote on Jun 6th, 2019 at 9:59pm:
Perfectly understandable, Mort. Why would an Amerikan post on an Australian politics board - from a phone in Florida?


I am posting from Japan and quite often wonder why I am here ...
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Reply #71 - Jun 8th, 2019 at 7:42pm
 
The Mechanic wrote on May 23rd, 2019 at 1:33pm:
This is a ploy by the DNC to steal all upcoming elections.

Get rid of the electoral college and flood the US with dirty immigrants and give them free stuff so that they only vote for the DNC..


So forget majority rule then?
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Reply #72 - Jun 8th, 2019 at 9:41pm
 
Auggie wrote on Jun 8th, 2019 at 7:42pm:
The Mechanic wrote on May 23rd, 2019 at 1:33pm:
This is a ploy by the DNC to steal all upcoming elections.

Get rid of the electoral college and flood the US with dirty immigrants and give them free stuff so that they only vote for the DNC..


So forget majority rule then?


If we're talkin' about America mate, then majority rule....aka.....Democracy.....America uses a few Democratic principals, but on the whole that's as far as it goes, because America is not a Democracy.....it's a Constitutional Republic, where the US Constitution.....the Law of the Land......determines outcomes.

The majority doesn't rule.....because the minority has rights guaranteed in the US Constitution, & those rights are protected by the US Constitution......protected from the will of the majority.

The majority is kept from constant advantage over the lives of the minority. The US Constitution does not permit "Mob Rule", enabling more Freedom & Liberty for all - not just the majority.  ...

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Reply #73 - Jun 9th, 2019 at 11:56am
 
Panther wrote on Jun 8th, 2019 at 9:41pm:
Auggie wrote on Jun 8th, 2019 at 7:42pm:
The Mechanic wrote on May 23rd, 2019 at 1:33pm:
This is a ploy by the DNC to steal all upcoming elections.

Get rid of the electoral college and flood the US with dirty immigrants and give them free stuff so that they only vote for the DNC..


So forget majority rule then?


If we're talkin' about America mate, then majority rule....aka.....Democracy.....America uses a few Democratic principals, but on the whole that's as far as it goes, because America is not a Democracy.....it's a Constitutional Republic, where the US Constitution.....the Law of the Land......determines outcomes.

The majority doesn't rule.....because the minority has rights guaranteed in the US Constitution, & those rights are protected by the US Constitution......protected from the will of the majority.

The majority is kept from constant advantage over the lives of the minority. The US Constitution does not permit "Mob Rule", enabling more Freedom & Liberty for all - not just the majority.  http://33sm.net16.net/smileys/signsandflags2.gif

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Ok, so let's come to a compromise then.

Let's keep the electoral college but change it so that each State is divided into districts, each one to have a single elector. The people in each district shall vote for a pledged elector.

This 'district-mode' of the electoral college was actually what the Framers had in mind. This is what James Madison said later on anyhow.

The benefit of a district-based system is that each person's vote is of equal value, provided that each district is equal in population.
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Reply #74 - Jun 9th, 2019 at 3:28pm
 
Auggie wrote on Jun 9th, 2019 at 11:56am:
Panther wrote on Jun 8th, 2019 at 9:41pm:
Auggie wrote on Jun 8th, 2019 at 7:42pm:
The Mechanic wrote on May 23rd, 2019 at 1:33pm:
This is a ploy by the DNC to steal all upcoming elections.

Get rid of the electoral college and flood the US with dirty immigrants and give them free stuff so that they only vote for the DNC..


So forget majority rule then?


If we're talkin' about America mate, then majority rule....aka.....Democracy.....America uses a few Democratic principals, but on the whole that's as far as it goes, because America is not a Democracy.....it's a Constitutional Republic, where the US Constitution.....the Law of the Land......determines outcomes.

The majority doesn't rule.....because the minority has rights guaranteed in the US Constitution, & those rights are protected by the US Constitution......protected from the will of the majority.

The majority is kept from constant advantage over the lives of the minority. The US Constitution does not permit "Mob Rule", enabling more Freedom & Liberty for all - not just the majority.  http://33sm.net16.net/smileys/signsandflags2.gif

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Ok, so let's come to a compromise then.

Let's keep the electoral college but change it so that each State is divided into districts, each one to have a single elector. The people in each district shall vote for a pledged elector.

This 'district-mode' of the electoral college was actually what the Framers had in mind. This is what James Madison said later on anyhow.

The benefit of a district-based system is that each person's vote is of equal value, provided that each district is equal in population.


The Electors in each State are already chosen based on population, with a minor exception.

One Elector for each voting Representative it has in the House of Representatives......the number of which is based on the States Population at the latest census. The 50 State total of US Representatives is 435.

Also One Elector for each US Senator the State Has......all States  have 2 US Senators.

Also, even though Washington, District of Columbia isn't a State, Washington DC gets Electoral Votes based on population because the residents vote for President.

D.C. = 3

435 + 3 + 100 = 538

538 x 1/2 = 269.

That's why, in order for a candidate to win the Presidentcy, he/she needs 270 Electoral Votes, 1 more than half.

If nobody gets a 50% + 1 majority of Electoral Votes, 269+1, then the US House of Representatives votes for the US President.

If you wish it otherwise, you would have to amend the US Constitution.    Wink





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