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Re: LNP Climate change causes Islands to disappear
Reply #30 - May 21st, 2019 at 11:08pm
 
lee wrote on May 21st, 2019 at 10:22pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on May 21st, 2019 at 10:01pm:
where do you get this sh.t from ?


The Chief Scientist of Australia do you?

"Australia has 149 million hectares of forest. Of this, 147 million hectares is native forest, dominated by eucalypt (79%) and acacia (7%), and 1.82 million hectares is in plantations[i]. Grassland covers around 440 million hectares of land in Australia"

"The amount of carbon taken up every year by dry forests in Australia depends on the weather conditions and age of the trees. Science tells us that the range for forests with continuous canopies is about 0.5-2 tonnes of carbon per year for each hectare. "

"In other words, over the long haul, more carbon stays in the tree sink than in the grass sink. Some Australian native eucalyptus forests store up to ten times more carbon per hectare than Australian native and introduced grasslands both above and below ground."

"Using data from a study of semi-arid Australian grasslands by the Queensland Department of Primary Industry[iv] that accounted for the amount of live grass above ground found that about 5 tonnes of carbon could be stored per hectare of perennial grass year, assuming little grazing. This compares to carbon stocks of mature dry sclerophyll forest that contain about 100 tonnes of carbon per hectare (with wide variability)."

https://www.chiefscientist.gov.au/2009/12/which-plants-store-more-carbon-in-aust...

So we have 589 million hectares of trees and grasses. If we assume a conservative 1.0 tonne per hectare we have sequestered more than Australia's 556.4M tons CO2e (2017 figures).


Or perhaps you would like satellite confirmation? From the Japanese IBUKI satellite -

https://4k4oijnpiu3l4c3h-zippykid.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/top-...

Enjoy.


So alleged zero net emissions justifies sending our pollution off shore does it ?

And how does that help the people who live on those islands - who by the way are blaming us for our coal exports ?
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Re: LNP Climate change causes Islands to disappear
Reply #31 - May 22nd, 2019 at 4:21pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on May 21st, 2019 at 11:08pm:
So alleged zero net emissions justifies sending our pollution off shore does it ?


You are changing the argument again. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

Sir lastnail wrote on May 21st, 2019 at 11:08pm:
And how does that help the people who live on those islands - who by the way are blaming us for our coal exports ?


Because they want the money from climate reparations. Further proof the cargo cult mentality still exists. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Re: LNP Climate change causes Islands to disappear
Reply #32 - May 22nd, 2019 at 5:48pm
 
PZ547 wrote on May 21st, 2019 at 2:35pm:
Islands appear and disappear all the time

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Former Prime Minister Julia Gillard buys $2m beachside house in her home town of Adelaide


Julia's not worried



Al Gore did the same in Florida LOL  Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy
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Re: LNP Climate change causes Islands to disappear
Reply #33 - May 22nd, 2019 at 11:55pm
 
lee wrote on May 22nd, 2019 at 4:21pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on May 21st, 2019 at 11:08pm:
So alleged zero net emissions justifies sending our pollution off shore does it ?


You are changing the argument again. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

Sir lastnail wrote on May 21st, 2019 at 11:08pm:
And how does that help the people who live on those islands - who by the way are blaming us for our coal exports ?


Because they want the money from climate reparations. Further proof the cargo cult mentality still exists. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


I'll ask you again. What difference does it make to rising see level whether we set fire to the coal in australia or send it overseas to set fire to it ?

And this argument about carbon neutrality is just a red herring that you like to continuously parrot so you can sleep well at night.

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Re: LNP Climate change causes Islands to disappear
Reply #34 - May 23rd, 2019 at 4:29pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on May 22nd, 2019 at 11:55pm:
I'll ask you again. What difference does it make to rising see level whether we set fire to the coal in australia or send it overseas to set fire to it ?


You mean scientifically proven? By how much has it risen? Not modelled, measured. And please differentiate between normal warming SLR and the wicked AGW SLR. Wink

Sir lastnail wrote on May 22nd, 2019 at 11:55pm:
And this argument about carbon neutrality is just a red herring that you like to continuously parrot so you can sleep well at night.



Who said anything about carbon (sic) neutrality? I said Australia is a carbon sink. That is our net emissions are blow zero. Roll Eyes
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Reply #35 - May 23rd, 2019 at 4:41pm
 
lee wrote on May 23rd, 2019 at 4:29pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on May 22nd, 2019 at 11:55pm:
I'll ask you again. What difference does it make to rising see level whether we set fire to the coal in australia or send it overseas to set fire to it ?


You mean scientifically proven? By how much has it risen? Not modelled, measured. And please differentiate between normal warming SLR and the wicked AGW SLR. Wink

Sir lastnail wrote on May 22nd, 2019 at 11:55pm:
And this argument about carbon neutrality is just a red herring that you like to continuously parrot so you can sleep well at night.



Who said anything about carbon (sic) neutrality? I said Australia is a carbon sink. That is our net emissions are blow zero. Roll Eyes


Why don't you ask those people if they can still live where they have been living for decades instead of trying to obfuscate it in some excel spreadsheet. Ask them if they even have a place to live now ?

Or perhaps you think it is caused by Aliens focusing some sort of undetectable invisible ray beam on the planet Cheesy LOL
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Re: LNP Climate change causes Islands to disappear
Reply #36 - May 23rd, 2019 at 4:46pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on May 23rd, 2019 at 4:41pm:
Why don't you ask those people if they can still live where they have been living for decades instead of trying to obfuscate it in some excel spreadsheet. Ask them if they even have a place to live now ?


Very good. So YOU have the numbers of climate refugees. Good. Put it out there. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

Sir lastnail wrote on May 23rd, 2019 at 4:41pm:
Or perhaps you think it is caused by Aliens focusing some sort of undetectable invisible ray beam on the planet


see above
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Re: LNP Climate change causes Islands to disappear
Reply #37 - May 23rd, 2019 at 4:48pm
 
lee wrote on May 23rd, 2019 at 4:46pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on May 23rd, 2019 at 4:41pm:
Why don't you ask those people if they can still live where they have been living for decades instead of trying to obfuscate it in some excel spreadsheet. Ask them if they even have a place to live now ?


Very good. So YOU have the numbers of climate refugees. Good. Put it out there. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

Sir lastnail wrote on May 23rd, 2019 at 4:41pm:
Or perhaps you think it is caused by Aliens focusing some sort of undetectable invisible ray beam on the planet


see above


Are you going to pay or compensate those climate refugees or are you going to keep denying that you had anything to do with it as usual ? Maybe it's cheaper to lock them up on Manus island and throw away the key Sad
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Re: LNP Climate change causes Islands to disappear
Reply #38 - May 23rd, 2019 at 4:52pm
 
Here you go. You might need to reduce your profit forecasts on your dirty coal exports after all of the payouts Sad

https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/112893031/increased-sea-level-p...

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Increased sea level predictions could result in displacement of 187m people, study finds

Previous predictions for rising sea levels might be incorrect, according to a new study.

The study - published in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences - found sea levels may rise by 2 metres by 2100.

These findings contradict the original prediction by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change's Fifth Assessment Report in 2013, which suggested there will be a rise of just under a metre by the year 2100.

"For 2100, the ice sheet contribution is very likely in the range of 7-178cm but once you add in the glaciers and ice caps outside the ice sheets and thermal expansion of the seas, you tip well over two metres," lead author Professor Jonathan Bamber told the BBC.

READ MORE:
* Greenland's ice is melting even faster than scientists thought
* Hothouse Earth, here we come
* An alarming 10 per cent of Antarctica's coastal glaciers are in retreat, scientists find
* Biblical flood could be 'more than just a fairy tale'. Is another coming?
* Sea level rise could swamp some New Zealand cities

Researchers found these increased levels could result in the loss of 1.79 million squared km of land, and amass to 187 million people displaced.

To put those figures into perspective, the land mass is larger than Libya, which covers 1.76m squared km, and those displaced would be equivalent to entire populations of New Zealand, Australia, Canada, the United Kingdom and Kenya.

Authors of the study explained a sea level rise of this magnitude "would clearly have profound consequences for humanity".

Using a structured expert judgement (SEJ) model, 22 scientists from the US and UK collated their expert knowledge to estimate various uncertainties surrounding sea level rise.

They measured accumulation, surface run off and discharge from the Greenland, West Antarctic and East Antarctic ice sheets to estimate the new figures.

Researchers estimated, if temperatures were to increase only by 2 degrees Celsius, there would be a 26cm sea level rise by 2100 and a maximum of 81cm. However, if temperatures were to rise by 5C and emissions were to go unchecked, could rise by 51cm with a maximum of 178cm.

"We find it plausible that SLR [sea level rise] could exceed 2m by 2100 for our high-temperature scenario," the authors wrote.

Looking further into the future, they also predicted the maximum rise in 2200 with a 5C temperature increase could be 7.5m due to the "instabilities coming into play in both West and East Antarctica".

The study's authors explained that since the 2013 predictions were released, "opinion has shifted toward a stronger ice sheet response and a larger credible range, for a given temperature change, than was considered plausible by the experts 6 years ago".



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Re: LNP Climate change causes Islands to disappear
Reply #39 - May 23rd, 2019 at 4:54pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on May 23rd, 2019 at 4:48pm:
lee wrote on May 23rd, 2019 at 4:46pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on May 23rd, 2019 at 4:41pm:
Why don't you ask those people if they can still live where they have been living for decades instead of trying to obfuscate it in some excel spreadsheet. Ask them if they even have a place to live now ?


Very good. So YOU have the numbers of climate refugees. Good. Put it out there. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

Sir lastnail wrote on May 23rd, 2019 at 4:41pm:
Or perhaps you think it is caused by Aliens focusing some sort of undetectable invisible ray beam on the planet


see above


Are you going to pay or compensate those climate refugees or are you going to keep denying that you had anything to do with it as usual ? Maybe it's cheaper to lock them up on Manus island and throw away the key Sad


Have you been there, Nail? Perhaps you should volunteer to do whatever there, you could earn more than the Dole. Wink
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Re: LNP Climate change causes Islands to disappear
Reply #40 - May 23rd, 2019 at 4:58pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on May 23rd, 2019 at 4:52pm:
Researchers found these increased levels could result in the loss of 1.79 million squared km of land, and amass to 187 million people displaced.



oh yes. COULD. So no climate refugees yet. Got it.

And all this on the back of that RCP8.5 worst case scenario that they spout as "business as usual". Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Re: LNP Climate change causes Islands to disappear
Reply #41 - May 23rd, 2019 at 5:01pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on May 23rd, 2019 at 4:48pm:


Which climate refugee is that? Not the ones from Tuvalu. NZ said there is no evidence.

"Two families from Tuvalu have had their cases to be recognised as climate change refugees rejected."

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/342280/climate-change-refugee-cases-rejected

But perhaps you have more up to date figures. Wink
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Re: LNP Climate change causes Islands to disappear
Reply #42 - May 23rd, 2019 at 6:24pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on May 21st, 2019 at 2:41pm:
They are disappearing because sea level is rising which is verifiable and beyond refute. Why are LNP supporters as thick as two planks ?



You guys are mindless idiots.



Sea levels rose and made Tasmania an island. Made Australia an island, for that matter. Thousands of years before the Industrial Revolution.


Bloody LNP / ScoMo climate denial, no doubt.



You bloody idiots.

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