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Re: We don't share the same values, as the moslem
Reply #15 - May 21st, 2019 at 6:09pm
 
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Reply #16 - May 21st, 2019 at 6:13pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on May 21st, 2019 at 5:16pm:
Secret Wars wrote on May 21st, 2019 at 12:35pm:

Brian, for a bloke who strains at the trappings of academia your consistent anecdote that you know a bloke is not a substitute for debate or rebuttal to argument. Grin  Grin Grin Grin



What it does, is that it demonstrates that Yadda's characterisation of ALL Muslims being unable to assimilate with Western Society is patently false.

The fact that I, basically a nobody, can encounter numerous Muslims in all sorts of occupations who are ordinary, everyday people just goes to show how much Yadda needlessly has a phobia about Muslims.




Brian's ARGUMENT;
ISLAM is harmless, because even though moslems self-declare as being followers of ISLAM,
Brian has actually met many moslems who appeared to have no inclination whatsoever, to murder him.

THEREFORE;
ISLAM is harmless.
And moslems are safe, harmless people.



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A COUNTER-ARGUMENT;

Brian,

ISLAM, is a philosophy which teaches its followers,
that it is virtuous and pleasing to Allah, when moslems kill people who do not believe what they [moslems] believe.

PROVE THAT STATEMENT WRONG.



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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1552048153/23#23
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You keep insisting, that the 'peaceful' moslems [living in Australia] are not a threat to us.



YET, THE MOSLEM [LIVING IN AUSTRALIA] HIMSELF, keeps telling us that,       ...he is a moslem.

And, they ARE moslems!!!!



QUESTION;
If moslems [living in Australia] are peaceful people,
if they are people who reject the violent and deceitful precepts of ISLAM,

THIS IS AUSTRALIA - why don't they leave ISLAM, and denounce ISLAM ?

....AND WHY DON'T THEY STOP IDENTIFYING THEMSELVES, AS BEING CLOSELY ASSOCIATED,    WITH   ISLAM ???







Brian,

ISLAM, is a murderous death cult.



And yet, every moslem in Australia, is still happy to associate himself/herself, with ISLAM.


Is that the sign of a peaceful, rational individual, with a sound mind ?





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Yadda wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 11:59am:

Auggie,

Moslems are followers of a religion which teaches them, that it is virtuous
and pleasing to Allah, when they kill people who do not believe what they [moslems] believe.





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"What makes Allah happy?

Allah is happy, when kafir get killed."




Spoken behind closed doors, among 'brothers', in this YT     ------- >


Highly recommended.....

Muslims being deceptive Islam EX-Muslims
                       goto 4m 30s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZx8cNSC9O0





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Re: We don't share the same values, as the moslem
Reply #17 - May 21st, 2019 at 8:26pm
 
Yadda wrote on May 21st, 2019 at 6:13pm:
Brian Ross wrote on May 21st, 2019 at 5:16pm:
Secret Wars wrote on May 21st, 2019 at 12:35pm:

Brian, for a bloke who strains at the trappings of academia your consistent anecdote that you know a bloke is not a substitute for debate or rebuttal to argument. Grin  Grin Grin Grin



What it does, is that it demonstrates that Yadda's characterisation of ALL Muslims being unable to assimilate with Western Society is patently false.

The fact that I, basically a nobody, can encounter numerous Muslims in all sorts of occupations who are ordinary, everyday people just goes to show how much Yadda needlessly has a phobia about Muslims.



Brian's ARGUMENT;
ISLAM is harmless, because even though moslems self-declare as being followers of ISLAM,
Brian has actually met many moslems who appeared to have no inclination whatsoever, to murder him.


Yeah, funny that, hey, Yadda?  Out of a matter of interest, exactly how many Muslims have you met?

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THEREFORE;
ISLAM is harmless.
And moslems are safe, harmless people.


The version of Islam that ordinary, everyday, assimilated, moderate Muslims follow and believe?  Yep, you got it right, Yadda.   Well done, see, there is hope for you to overcome your Islamophobia, if you make an effort.   Ordinary, everyday, assimilated, moderate Muslims, do exist.  They are your fellow Australians.   Time for you to get out of your basement and to meet some.  It will do you the world of good to meet some real people for a change.   Off ya' go!   Wink
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The version of Islam that ordinary, everyday, assimilated, moderate Muslims follow and believe?  Yep, you got it right, Yadda.   Well done, see, there is hope for you to overcome your Islamophobia, if you make an effort.   Ordinary, everyday, assimilated, moderate Muslims, do exist.  They are your fellow Australians.


Do you count Abu, Falah and Gandalf among them?
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Reply #19 - May 21st, 2019 at 10:57pm
 
freediver wrote on May 21st, 2019 at 10:02pm:
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The version of Islam that ordinary, everyday, assimilated, moderate Muslims follow and believe?  Yep, you got it right, Yadda.   Well done, see, there is hope for you to overcome your Islamophobia, if you make an effort.   Ordinary, everyday, assimilated, moderate Muslims, do exist.  They are your fellow Australians.


Do you count Abu, Falah and Gandalf among them?


When you answer my questions, FD, I might answer yours.   Roll Eyes
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THEREFORE;

ISLAM is harmless.
And moslems are safe, harmless people.






Brian Ross wrote on May 21st, 2019 at 8:26pm:

The version of Islam that ordinary, everyday, assimilated, moderate Muslims follow and believe?

Yep, you got it right, Yadda.

Well done, see, there is hope for you to overcome your Islamophobia, if you make an effort.

Ordinary, everyday, assimilated, moderate Muslims, do exist.

They are your fellow Australians.

Time for you to get out of your basement and to meet some.

It will do you the world of good to meet some real people for a change.

Off ya' go!   Wink





Sorry Brian,

I was being factitious.     "ISLAM is harmless. And moslems are safe, harmless people."

factitious = = artificial; contrived.

There.

Now that we have cleared that up





"The version of Islam that ordinary, everyday, assimilated, moderate Muslims follow and believe..."



QUESTIONS;
What version of ISLAM is that Brian ?

And which Allah do these "moderate Muslims" worship ?



QUESTIONS;
Do moderate moslems worship and pray to [and obey], the same Allah which all other moslems worship and pray to [and obey]
- OR NOT ??

Do the moderate moslems revere, the same Mohammed which all other moslems revere
- OR NOT ??

Do the moderate moslems revere [as the very words of Allah], the same immutable, and inerrant religious document, which mainstream ISLAM uses
- OR NOT ?



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Is this what your 'moderate moslems' acquaintances tell you Brian ?

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"I'm a moslem, and i worship Allah, and i revere Mohammed his messenger.

And i know that Allah calls for the enslavement and/or murder of all non-moslems - THROUGH JIHAD [religious fighting, when moslems have that 'opportunity'].

But i don't follow that part of my faith.

HONEST!"
             Grin



Today, many moslems - living in Australia - are insisting that we, non-moslem Australians, should be forced to accept and believe the incredible;


Dictionary;
incredible = =
1 impossible to believe.
2 difficult to believe; extraordinary.



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Re: We don't share the same values, as the moslem
Reply #22 - May 22nd, 2019 at 10:37am
 


Arguments which Brian and moslems [living in Australia], don't want you to examine or to consider.....


#APPEASING ANGRY MOSLEMS, MERELY TEACHES [reinforces, in] MOSLEMS that 'getting angry' at those who 'offend' their religion, works [i.e. is effective].




Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1367379581/15#15
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MY PRINCIPLE ARGUMENT MUST BE;
All moslems know what Allah's mind is, toward the disbeliever.

To understand what Allah's mind is toward the disbeliever, a moslem need only study ISLAM's primary and foundation text, the Koran!

The mind of Allah projects enmity towards all disbelievers.

To Allah, disbelievers are sub-humans. "...perverted transgressors." Koran 3.110                  [Hey gandalf, knowing this, i'm sure that if you are in the company of other moslems, you would spit at the computer screen, everytime you read one of my posts.  ???   ]

Google;
how islam divides the world, Dar al-Harb




And knowing their own limitations in being able to project ISLAM's Allah's will [and enmity] upon the disbelieves, at any moment in time, moslems understand that they must always adjust the tactics that they use [in pursuing 'Allah's cause'], against Allah's enemy [Koran 2.98].

As moslems live among disbelievers in a host country, moslems will always act [as moslems think is appropriate, at that moment in time] in a way [e.g. taqiyya] to best serve Allah's cause.



Moslems understand that to best serve Allah's cause, moslems need to be meek and polite in the presence of the stronger disbelievers.

But, that moslems may lawfully treat with ruthless disregard, those disbelievers who are already subjugated by the ummah.

e.g.
We 'disbelievers' observe, that wherever moslems are politically powerful and numerous [and fully 'militant' in their faith], moslems will make almost no 'social' concessions to local disbelievers.

In fact in such environs as those, moslems commonly exploit, commonly oppress, and commonly murder local disbelievers - often with, either the sly connivance of, or with the open consent, of the local ISLAMIC political state.





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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1367379581/15#15
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Wherever moslems begin to live among a larger non-moslem host community, moslems will at first ask meekly and politely for concessions and respect for their 'religion'.

But when the number of moslems living among a non-moslem host community has increased substantially [as it invariably does], the 'attitude' of the moslems, towards their non-moslem host community, will exhibit a dramatic change.

The moslems will then increasingly demand concessions and respect for their religion, from their non-moslem host community.

And if the concessions demanded by the [growing] moslem community, and the level of 'respect' for ISLAM/moslems demanded by the moslem community, are not forthcoming, 'extreme' but supposedly 'isolated' elements within the moslem community will then begin to make threats of violence.



Eventually, as their 'constituency' grows, the moslem community will become more vociferous in expressing the demands that they make.

And then those moslem demands for concessions and respect for their religion will be 'demonstrated' aggressively [and sometimes 'demonstrated' violently].                  [And if the moslem 'mainstream' community does apologise for these 'outbursts' among a 'marginalised' 'minority' among them, the apology from moslems will be tempered, with an explanation [from the moslem 'mainstream' community] that these 'outbursts' by individuals may have been, or were, provoked, by the attitudes or the conduct of non-moslems, towards ISLAM/moslems.
i.e. "So you need to show ISLAM/us moslems more respect, then these outbursts, from some members of our community will not happen!"]

Each and every 'incident' of these aggressive [and sometimes violent] public displays/demonstrations/threats by the moslems, is merely the moslem community 'testing the level of fear' [of moslems] among their non-moslem host community.            [**44444]

WHAT THE MEMBERS OF A NON-MOSLEM HOST COMMUNITY NEED TO UNDERSTAND IS;
Once a non-moslem host community starts to respond [to these 'isolated' threats and violent 'outbursts', by the moslems] by making 'respectful' 'cultural' concessions to moslems, an inexorable cycle of 'cultural intimidation' will begin.

More and more demands [and accompanying 'threats'] will be forthcoming from the moslem community for more and more 'cultural' concessions from the non-moslem host community [to demonstrate their proper 'respect' of the moslem community and their religion].

Such concessions made by non-moslems, will be portrayed in [and justified by the leaders of] the broader community, as non-moslems simply and properly demonstrating their willingness to show the required, 'respect', to the moslem community and their religion.






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Re: We don't share the same values, as the moslem
Reply #23 - May 22nd, 2019 at 10:40am
 


Arguments which Brian and moslems [living in Australia], don't want you to examine or to consider.....


#APPEASING ANGRY MOSLEMS, MERELY TEACHES [reinforces, in] MOSLEMS that 'getting angry' at those who 'offend' their religion, works [i.e. is effective].




Yadda said somewhere....
Quote:

Appeasing angry moslems, merely teaches moslems that 'getting angry' at those who 'offend' their religion, works [i.e. is effective],
....in securing concessions from those [non-moslems] who dare to make the mistake, to 'offend' the moslems' religion.

Very few Westerners seem to realise, that Westerners, and moslems, have a totally differing cultural mindset, regarding the concepts of 'respect', and apologising for an error.

For the moslem, Allah gives power to the 'righteous'.

For the moslem, respect must [always] be given to the powerful.

For the moslem, being able to demonstrate one's 'moral' power over another [e.g. moslem superiority over the infidel], confirms [to the moslem psyche] that Allah is indeed with the moslem, as Allah only supports and gives power to the 'righteous' man.

Therefore, [for the moslem] it is clear, that when the infidel concedes, it is because the infidel [himself!] recognises his 'moral' error, and in effect, 'prostrates' himself, before the 'righteous' moslem.

For the moslem, it is the person who was [always] in the wrong, who always apologises.

For the moslem, whenever an infidel apologises to a moslem, this merely confirms [to the  moslem psyche] the superiority of the moslem.

Westerners have to realise, that apologising to an irate moslem, does not show [to the moslem] how polite and cultured you are.

Apologising to a 'strong' and irate moslem [particularly if the moslem is the party who is in error], merely shows to the moslem how weak his non-moslem counterpart is.

And confirms to the moslem that [in any future circumstance where he is the stronger party] he, the moslem, need never give way - because his god, Allah, is with him.




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Re: We don't share the same values, as the moslem
Reply #24 - May 22nd, 2019 at 10:50am
 


Brian Ross wrote on May 21st, 2019 at 8:26pm:

Ordinary, everyday, assimilated, moderate Muslims, do exist.






No they do not.

A moslem can be a deceitful moslem,      or,     he can be an 'activated', militant moslem.

But he can't be a moderate moslem.


Why not ?

Because every moslem, is a follower of ISLAM.

And a moderate ISLAM does not exist.



If you believe that you can show me an ISLAM which has its foundations in tolerance and peaceful co-existence with others,
then reveal those foundational religious texts to us.




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WWW search....
Shahada, confession of faith, of a muslim

"There is no god except for Allah alone; and Mohammed is the Messenger of Allah."





Is this what your 'moderate moslems' acquaintances tell you Brian ?

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"I'm a moslem, and i worship Allah, and i revere Mohammed his messenger.

And i know that Allah calls for the enslavement and/or murder of all non-moslems - THROUGH JIHAD [religious fighting, when moslems have that 'opportunity'].

But i don't follow that part of my faith.

HONEST!"
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Today, many moslems - living in Australia - are insisting that we, non-moslem Australians, should be forced to accept and believe the incredible;


Dictionary;
incredible = =
1 impossible to believe.
2 difficult to believe; extraordinary.




ARGUMENT;
A moslem, is a person who      chooses     to embrace a philosophy [ISLAM], which teaches the moslem that it is 'lawful' for him, to kill those, who do not believe, as he believes.


ANOTHER ARGUMENT;
A moslem, is a follower of ISLAM.


That is what a moslem is.






Moslem = = a follower of ISLAM.         <---- dictionary definition.


Every moslem, is a moslem!

Every moslem, is a follower of ISLAM!



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Brian,

There is only one ISLAM.

And that ISLAM isn't moderate, nor is it polite or tolerant,    ...towards those who are weaker than itself.



Every form [flavour] of ISLAM, has in its basis and doctrinal foundation, the life and sayings of Mohammed [the war lord], in the words of the Koran, and the commands from the mouth of Allah.

He is the Allah who has commanded that every believer, must hate all disbelievers, and fight to kill disbelievers who reject ISLAM.

There is no 'moderate' ISLAM.


And describing some moslems as followers of an 'extreme ISLAM', because their actions are cruel and violent towards non-moslems, is simply deceitful.

Every 'flavour' of ISLAM encourages hatred of, and the persecution of, disbelievers who reject ISLAM.

Even the ISLAM being practiced in Indonesia.



WWW search....
Bosch Fawstin: No More Misnomers: We Need to Stop Playing Name Games with Islam

By Daniel Greenfield on Apr 29, 2019
".....Western intellectuals and commentators refer to the enemy’s ideology as:
“Islamic Fundamentalism,”
“Islamic Totalitarianism,”
“Islamic Extremism,”
“Islamofascism,”
“Political Islam,”
“Militant Islam,”
“Bin Ladenism,”
“Islamonazism,”
“Radical Islam,”
“Islamism”, etc."


IMO, the above is true.

That which hates us, that which seeks to assail and to destroy us....
it is just ISLAM,    mainstream, ISLAM.  period.

We need to name the enemy, PLAINLY.

And to then we need to understand its mode of operation.

And who, are its soldiers.

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IMAGE...
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Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami



Quote:

How Circumstance Dictates Islamic Behavior


January 18, 2012

Preach Peace When Weak, Wage War When Strong

"...all notions of peace with non-Muslims are based on circumstance.

When Muslims are weak, they should be peaceful; when strong, they should go on the offensive."


Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami - an ISLAMIC scholar and Egyptian Salafi leader
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/from-the-arab-world/how-circumstance-dictates-isla...



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EXAMPLE, DECEIT;

Quote:

Live in peace till strong enough to wage jihad, says UK Deoband scholar to Muslims

London, Sept.8 [2007]

A Deobandi scholar believes Muslims should preach peace till they are strong enough to undertake a jihad, or a holy war.

Justice Muhammad Taqi Usmani was quoted by the BBC as saying that Muslims should live peacefully in countries such as Britain, where they have the freedom to practise Islam, only until they gain enough power to engage in battle.

A former Sharia judge in Pakistan's Supreme Court, 64-year-old Usmani, is...a regular visitor to Britain.
Polite and softly spoken....

He agreed that it was wrong to suggest that the entire non-Muslim world was intent on destroying Islam, but justifies an aggressive military jihad as a means of establishing global Islamic supremacy.


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article2409833.ece




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Reply #25 - May 22nd, 2019 at 12:17pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on May 21st, 2019 at 10:57pm:
freediver wrote on May 21st, 2019 at 10:02pm:
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The version of Islam that ordinary, everyday, assimilated, moderate Muslims follow and believe?  Yep, you got it right, Yadda.   Well done, see, there is hope for you to overcome your Islamophobia, if you make an effort.   Ordinary, everyday, assimilated, moderate Muslims, do exist.  They are your fellow Australians.


Do you count Abu, Falah and Gandalf among them?


When you answer my questions, FD, I might answer yours.   Roll Eyes


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Reply #26 - May 22nd, 2019 at 12:43pm
 
freediver wrote on May 22nd, 2019 at 12:17pm:
Brian Ross wrote on May 21st, 2019 at 10:57pm:
freediver wrote on May 21st, 2019 at 10:02pm:
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The version of Islam that ordinary, everyday, assimilated, moderate Muslims follow and believe?  Yep, you got it right, Yadda.   Well done, see, there is hope for you to overcome your Islamophobia, if you make an effort.   Ordinary, everyday, assimilated, moderate Muslims, do exist.  They are your fellow Australians.


Do you count Abu, Falah and Gandalf among them?


When you answer my questions, FD, I might answer yours.   Roll Eyes


Oh look, an apologist fleeing from a simple question.


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Reply #27 - May 22nd, 2019 at 8:36pm
 
Yadda wrote on May 22nd, 2019 at 10:34am:
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THEREFORE;

ISLAM is harmless.
And moslems are safe, harmless people.


Brian Ross wrote on May 21st, 2019 at 8:26pm:
The version of Islam that ordinary, everyday, assimilated, moderate Muslims follow and believe?

Yep, you got it right, Yadda.

Well done, see, there is hope for you to overcome your Islamophobia, if you make an effort.

Ordinary, everyday, assimilated, moderate Muslims, do exist.

They are your fellow Australians.

Time for you to get out of your basement and to meet some.

It will do you the world of good to meet some real people for a change.

Off ya' go!   Wink


Sorry Brian,


Why?  You hit upon the truth for a change, Yadda.  Like a broken two-bob watch, you're accurate, at least twice a day... 

Keep the good work up, keep trying to fix your problem, keep working on becoming normal and forgetting your Islamophobia!

I believe we need to give you all the help we possibly can.  Anything to help you along your journey?   Anything to help you to overcome your terrible disease, Yadda!  Anything at all!   Roll Eyes
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Reply #28 - May 22nd, 2019 at 8:39pm
 
The only assimilated muslims are the apostates.
The ones true Muslims are obliged to kill.

Peacefully, of course. Islam is peace. Of the grave.

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Frank wrote on May 22nd, 2019 at 8:39pm:
The only assimilated muslims are the apostates.
The ones true Muslims are obliged to kill.

Peacefully, of course. Islam is peace. Of the grave.


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Spoken like a true Islamophobe, hey, Soren?  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes
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