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lee wrote on May 24^th, 2019 at 12:14pm:

https://www.aweablog.org/koch-funded-study-on-cost-of-wind-flawed-throughout/
The study was published by the Institute of Political Economy at Utah State University, which is funded by the Koch brothers, along with Strata Policy, an organization founded by Randy Simmons who is a professor at the Koch-funded institute. Simmons previously published a piece at Newsweek also claiming to assess the true cost of wind energy, but the errors and blatant attempt at hiding his Koch funding led to an uproar that led Newsweek to make several corrections, add disclosure of his funding, and publish a rebuttal piece on The True Benefits of Wind Power. This time around co-author Ryan Yonk, also a part of the Koch-funded institute at Utah State, is serving as the public face of the study, but is promoting the same misleading claims about wind power.


So yes the university is probably Neutral but the Institute of Political Economy is very suspect, Even Newsweek had to publish retraction from using the study when they found it was wrong...

SO who is right ?

Ohh that's right only Lee is allowed to shoot the messenger, my bad 

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 25^th, 2019 at 8:14am:


Perhaps you should have a look at the links of Koch Bros to donations to universities. Some very pro-AGW institutions in there.

https://www.charleskochfoundation.org/our-giving-and-support/higher-education/li...

https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Koch_Universities

You may notice in there George Mason University. If the name seems  familiar -

Jadish Shukla - paid wife and children vast sums of money to which, as a tenured professor, he was not entitled.

Or perhaps that arch Climate Change denier John Cook of SKS fame.

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 25^th, 2019 at 8:14am:



Where did I shoot the messenger petal? I merely provided alternates.

lee wrote on May 25^th, 2019 at 1:26pm:

No you don't shoot the messenger unless its from a University you don't like (especially those in QLD)
Just because the Koch brothers donate to legitimate Universities doesn't change the Fact that  The Heartland Institute is just a front by them to further their Fossil Fuel Investments....
If I donate to 10 different organization is doesn't change the other 9 by association 

lee wrote on May 25^th, 2019 at 1:29pm:


What do you want proof of? That Labor introduced a carbon tax?

Can you find any economist that disagrees that a carbon tax is the best way to reduce GHG emissions?

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Not on whether carbon taxes are the best way to reduce emissions.

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They can reduce emissions by any amount up to 100%

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This is not even the same question. I expect there is a minority of economists who disagree on the science, just as there is among the rest of the public. After all, they are economists, not scientists. But you have not found a single economist who disagrees that taxes are the best way to reduce emissions. Even those who oppose action on climate change will agree with this, because it is such a basic question in economics.

The coalition discarded the cheapest, most economically efficient way to reduce GHG emissions in favour of some of the most expensive. They are populist economic vandals.

juliar wrote on May 24^th, 2019 at 9:58am:

Personal attacks against Freediver? Time to get the popcorn, this should be good.

lee wrote on May 26^th, 2019 at 2:45pm:


Do I really have to explain it to you Lee?

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You wouldn't. Way to completely miss the point lee.

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No Lee, that is not what it means.

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Here's a good start:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/green-tax-shift/economics-hopeful-science.html

Have you found an economists who disagrees yet?