ouch... that seems harsh.....

human beings can be so stooooopid...

What a great move!

I hope Victoria picks up those changes. 

Gordon wrote on May 20^th, 2019 at 12:33pm:


Yeah I have to agree.
Those who are not in control of themselves will be the ones that get done.
I have never been caught DUI. I'd also add that I personally believe I have never been DUI......on the public road.
I am aware you can still be charged on private property so I would be guilty of an offence there on more than one occasion, but definitely never on public roads.



At the moment I have a license,  if I drink I stand to lose it.........all in on black. 
Show some control people.

PZ547 wrote on May 20^th, 2019 at 12:44pm:



Id sack their arse instantly if they worked for me.
Show up fit for work or piss off. You not only endanger yourself but every one around you.

PZ547 wrote on May 20^th, 2019 at 12:44pm:



Let me tell you something, police LOVE catching people for drugged driving around my way.

I drive a soccer mum's car with a baby seat usually full of kids crap so they don't get the kit out for me at the RBT, but in the east subs, which probably has the highest cocaine usage in Australia, when they pull up a young cat in fancy car, they usually make them 'lick the stick'.

PZ547 wrote on May 20^th, 2019 at 12:55pm:


I was telling you this happens, regularly.

and maybe she should get someone to dust for colombian marching powder at the top end of town

PZ547 wrote on May 20^th, 2019 at 12:59pm:


Mate, I see the RBT set up on New South Head Road about 2 days a week stopping Maseratis, Teslas etc etc.

PZ547 wrote on May 20^th, 2019 at 12:47pm:



Yep. Drink outside of work hours. Everyone has a duty to be fit for work.

My workplace has a 0 tolerance for alcohol and drugs. Most work sites do.
As for childcare....not sure but I recon it would be the same Australia over. To much risk involved in turning a blind eye. The solicitors blood sucking, life draining parasites would have a field day should something go wrong, even If alcohol was not involved. Then the workers comp and insurances.....to risky to have employees drinking, even small amounts.

PZ547 wrote on May 20^th, 2019 at 1:11pm:





Oh I totally agree. It never is about our safety. Look at speed cameras.
We have cameras parked on the side of the road taking photos of speeding motorists. They don't stop that motorist speeding yet that motorist still gets the fine. If that car then goes on to have a collision with another vehicle and killed all occupants, bar the speeding motorist, then technically the speed camera opwrator is partly at fault because that cameras operator, as a safety officer, has a duty to stop that speeding motorist...yet he did not...and yes he is a safety officer. The van has ROAD SAFETY CAMERA plastered down the side of it.
These vans raise millions. No doubt this will too.



Now for the drop at work. Mate, I grew up when we could drink at work. We had beer in our fridge all the time. The boss was a piss head. Hands shaped like xxxx tins. It is the solicitors that have stopped that because the out of control workers would drink to much and go crash a car or kill themselves/someone else or whatever. The solicitors through time gathered momentum to say that the workplace supplied it so they are responsible for it,  not the person drinking it? WTF??? So that is now why we now have zero tolerance towards drinking at work, anytime. The business now suffers more than the weak employee that had to drink to much and if my business is at risk because some broad wants a few sherbets at lunch then she can go and work for someone else afaiac.

One thing I take into buisiness,  there are no mates in business.

Anybody driving over the alcohol limit or under the influence of drugs should be banned immediately.......absolutely no question..

miketrees wrote on May 20^th, 2019 at 2:44pm:




I was going to say that this may be where they are going with this move.
Introduce it....still not working. That's it. ZERO. Everyone suffers.

It already is zero if you drive heavy vehicle.

Remember the good old colonial days when the Cops and Soldiers could get drunk, sell rum and molest a convict woman in return for a piece of bread.

UnSubRocky wrote on May 20^th, 2019 at 4:13pm:




and those fines dont stop anything do they????...

in fact the govt makes huge money out of misery... which drink driving usually causes.... when a say drink I mean anything that alters your perspective...

and just quietly I think ZERO alcohol   is also part of the answer......   we are a mean inconsiderate group of arseholes..lets face it.

We have a zero tolerance policy where I work and random drug and alcohol tests are carried out regularly.

And each and every time
ALL MANAGERS are required to participate every time.

I believe that alcohol and drugs are the primary cause of road accidents
Not this bull shite speed they keep going on about
But enforcing speed in a draconian way is perfect for a lazy, greedy and incompetent grubberment.

It also fits in nicely to the low IQ cops who only have to see the little red light come on and they can chase a car and book them.
No hard decisions like, I wonder what page in the book that crime is.

Just look at the deadbeats who booked that fool using his mobility scooter to transport his boat.
They didn't have a clue what laws he had broken, they had to go back to the station and have a brainstorming ( or brain cell storming) session to work it out.

And for the grubberment, speed enforcement is the answer to all their prayers.
Set up lots of inaccurate cameras 24-7 and simply reap the profits.
Then, just to make sure that revenue is ongoing,  they change speed limits every few metres and at different times of the day.

Kleptocrat, lazy, greedy, incompetent, morally corrupt, criminal grubberment.

John Smith wrote on May 20^th, 2019 at 5:40pm:



You're always calling bullshit

it's how you pretend to have power

Gordon wrote on May 20^th, 2019 at 12:51pm:


Miam miam.

Captain Caveman wrote on May 20^th, 2019 at 2:58pm:


Or if on P plates....

As a train driver I'm zero... when on the premises.

I can drive my car to work under .05 but once signed on the job... zero.

I don't agree with "a drink on the way home or at lunch".

Very easy to have more than the limit.... especially with wine.

There's just no need or excuse to drink and drive today.

Yet idiots keep doing it.

Ya know what?

Quote:


That is an excellent observation and yet it seems that just about 100% of Copper resources go into detecting drink/drug drivers.

rhino wrote on May 20^th, 2019 at 4:58pm:



Wow.
Is that to allow for mouth wash etc. Although that stuff blows the bag at around .14 if done straight away. It quickly dies off though.

In the 60 years of my life

I have only had a handful of sips of alcohol at wedding toasts.

The only drugs I have taken were prescription.

This is because I was a state swimmer, competitive martial artist and played semi professional tennis.

Alcohol, drugs and smoking were really really bad for your performance.
So , right up to 15 years ago, I never partook of any of the bad things because I was competing.
A
15 years ago, I broke my back.
But I still have no time for alcohol,  drugs or smoking.
At 60, the only medication I take is blood pressure tablets.
I am still quite healthy, can still swim 2.5 Kim in under an hour and do all my own renovations.

Pumping shite into your body does not make you better,  it only dull your senses.
I have seen so many people suffer at the hands of alcohol,  drugs and smokes.
I have lost several friends, family and work colleagues.

Banning drunks and drug addicts will make a tremendous difference to the road toll.
The amount of difference will depend on how much effort they put into enforcement.

My wife has been driving 30 years
And to this day, she has never been tested.
They seriously need to put more effort into catching drunks and drugged drivers.

Valkie wrote on May 20^th, 2019 at 9:33pm:


😂You've Been super active, fit, and are on BP tablets?

Goes to show you should have enjoyed life a tad more you don't know what you've missed.

I quit smoking when I was 21 ...63 now, played contact sport, drank like a fish, partied hard...

slowed up large ... haven't had a hang over for 13 yrs...

I'm on BP medication too... but I bet I'm a bit heavier than you....

And I've been off work since February with spinal disc and sciatic problems. 

But I've had a great sampling of life up to then.

It's a good way to cut down on all the congestion on the roads.
Maybe one day, only the privileged will be able to drive? 

cods wrote on May 20^th, 2019 at 5:04pm:
Much worse Im afraid. However I was making a point. i never drink in the morning.

Valkie wrote on May 20^th, 2019 at 9:33pm:


Five years ago, I would have called you a bit of a wowser. I would drink just about every week. I think I would have a drinking session every week, at least once a week, between the ages of 22 to age 30. It started catching up to me around age 29. "It" being the weight gain and the development of prediabetes. But, it did not really stop me until I was about age 31, when I cut back to a once a fortnight/month. I did go without booze for about 2 months in 2010.

I went a long period of time sober in 2013, 2015, low drinking levels in 2016, 2017, and 2018. So far, this year, I have gone 5 months without any booze. I still have not reached that point where I don't feel like not drinking. But, it is easy to drive passed a bottleshop without the desire to go inside. Facebook has been showing adverts of BWS with their 1000 rewards points if you buy a certain quantity there. Plus, there seems to be no end to the amount of booze in media these days. But, I should be able to make it to the end of 2019 without any alcohol.

By 2015, the doctor told me that I was then diabetic (not just prediabetes) and that I had to counter the problem before it got worse. Perhaps this year, I have suffered the "worse" part of the diabetes, which is why I have not gotten over my desire for alcohol as quickly as I did in 2015. Some of the symptoms have been excessive thirst, blurred vision, weight gain, fatigue, bad breath, and tingling in both the hands and feet (though not as bad as I understand it with serious cases others have had). I got on top of my medication this year, with the help of the doctor. She put me onto xigduo. That medication has done me wonders.

I have also discovered some other treatments that have helped me get through the year. I won't mention it online, since it is my secret weapon now. But, jogging, and cutting down on the sugar has done immense help for me. Last week, I took a hot, black tea in a thermos cannister to the movies to drink whilst I watched a movie. Enjoyed the movie, and could remember the storyline a lot better.

A friend of mine lost their license for 6 months
after having only 2 pots of beer.
That 2 x  285ml glasses.
He was exactly 0.05 so right on the lower limit.
He thought the judge would throw the case out
but instead he got severely punished.

If we would have run up & down on the spot for 5 minutes  he would have burnt
up some alcohol & been 0.049 and got away with it.

It seems unfair to me.

Bobby. wrote on May 20^th, 2019 at 11:07pm:


I tried this - get a reading - then take deep breaths for a minute or so - the reading goes down....

This breath testing is bullshit... if you add more air/oxygen to the mix by deep breathing and forced exhalation, it stands to reason the BCA will fall.  Out with the alcohol air - in with the good!!

Works a charm....

I am very wary of this equivalence of alcohol with drugs that is now taking over the discussion... ZERO road accidents occur at 0.05........ Bullshit!!

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 20^th, 2019 at 11:36pm:


Deep breathing does almost nothing to bring down your blood alcohol readings on a breathalyser. You would have to gulp down half a litre of water for any good to come of anything relatable. Breath tests are not a good accurate source of finding out how drunk or sober a driver. But, it is reliable enough tactic to keep people from thinking twice before driving.

For example, a friend of mine was at a nightclub. He was driving home as the designated driver. But, he was still going to have a drink before heading home. He purchased a can of rum and cola and was about to drink it. Then, his friend wanted to go home that minute -- a good hour earlier than planned. He told his friend "Yeah, hold up a minute. I want to drink this first". He guzzled the drink and proceeded out of the club. About 1km of driving down the road -- 5 minutes after finishing his drink -- the driver was pulled over for a breath test. He told the officer that he just had finished an alcoholic beverage. The officer told him to take the breath test, regardless.
The results showed a null alcohol reading. The officer told the driver "Don't lie to me that you have been drinking". Obviously, that breathalyser was busted that time.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 20^th, 2019 at 11:32pm:


I could down a couple of glasses of scotch and colas inside an hour and then wait for the BAC reading to reach 0.05. I would be sure that the 'slight' intoxication would be high enough for me to have less driving ability and considerably enough to increase the likelihood of having an accident by 3x.

Why the hell would anyone want to get behind the wheel if they have had a few drinks? Go sober and drive. Or don't drive at all.

Fuzzball wrote on May 20^th, 2019 at 2:40pm:



As of yesterday, there IS no 'alcohol limit'


The new policy is ZERO alcohol limit, not a drop or immediate loss of licence, presumably for life, and $560 fine, lock the car, walk home


Before yesterday, the alcohol limit was (according to the linked news item) 0.08.  That was considered 'safe'. 


From yesterday (Monday) 0.08 is not safe


So until yesterday, if you blew 0.07, you were fine


after yesterday, 0.000001 would result in immediate loss of licence and $560 fine, lock your car, walk away, you're done, licence gone

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 21^st, 2019 at 12:27am:


It does not make a difference in how deep your breath. The breathalyzer will analyze a certain content of your breath. And the alcohol with be sensed up to 13 hours after your last drink.

You can rinse your mouth out with water. You can eat food before you start drinking. But only time will lower your blood alcohol concentration. You would need a metabolism of "The Flash" to have the ability to burn off alcohol in your system within 10 minutes of your last drink. Your friend needed to wait half an hour after his drink to have had a chance at passing a breath test after drinking two 285mL beers. Tell him to opt for a 15 minute grace period to let his mouth dissipate the blood alcohol.

And as for mixing alcohol with drugs, I can tell you stories about mixing alcohol with medication. I got so blind drunk at a party, I could not understand why I could not handle the alcohol. I drank 3/4th a bottle of rum over a 4 hour period that I should have been able to handle the alcohol, even at 18 years of age. It turned out that I had a reaction of mixing alcohol on top of some medication that I had been taking. I was still at the naive stage not knowing the limits of what the body can handle. If someone is on medication, they should not be drinking much at all.

.

Finally some clarification by the media

The new laws will impose immediate loss of licence for three months plus an on the spot fine of $561

and those penalties apply, according to the latest media reports, to anyone caught with a blood reading of 0.05 or above


so it's not zero alcohol as previously implied



in which case, the new, tougher laws are fine with me

Gnads wrote on May 20^th, 2019 at 10:04pm:


You probably have the same issues as I.

The genes, my mother had uncontrollably high BP, and yet my father, right up to his death at 90, had perfect BP.

My wife has cholesterol issues, she is one of the healthiest eaters you will find, but she still has high cholesterol and early onset diabetes.

I eat everything that's bad for you, and my cholesterol is near perfect.

The genes account for 80% of your body's issues.
My wife has had to have knee replacement and has other arthritis issues, she has never been particularly active in sport etc.
I have played sport most of My life, jumped off cliffs, spelunking,  martial arts, motorcycles, football, etc.
Yet physically, I'm quite ok.
Yes, I broke my back, but that was because I fell off a roof.
I healed and live a good life despite that small setback.

I have mates and friends who have been both active and healthy
Only to deteriorate when the get older.

Its a lottery, some win some dont.

But alcohol and drugs really do screw up the odds
And putting these unnatural chemicals into your body will only see it go bad.

"Big Government is bad, too much regulation and intrusion in our lives"

How about you don't drink and drive you bloody idiots...

Stop making everything an ideological war and do the right thing for once... Just once...

Knew a guy who went jogging every morning - went just like that! ** clicks fingers**

Truck hit him...

Johnnie wrote on May 21^st, 2019 at 4:34pm:



when was the last time someone got done for jaywalking? I've done it in front of cops and they didn't even blink.

Johnnie wrote on May 21^st, 2019 at 4:34pm:



I guess you dont know anyone killed by a drunk driver...... ...when someone dies killed by a road thug....

the ripple affect is HUGE...

John Smith wrote on May 21^st, 2019 at 5:52pm:

You were very lucky, you are a risk taker.

Johnnie wrote on May 21^st, 2019 at 6:24pm:




how many stop at one  xeel?....I remember guys getting booked coming back from a liquid lunch   they all claimed they were steady as rocks......

I wouldnt want it on my conscience all the same..

well done gnads.... there is a lot more traffic on the roads today than say 30 years ago.....drivers are also more arrogant and rude than they have ever been..

well thats my experience...I dont drink   so its never been my problem......but I remember years ago  it was the norm to drink and drive........in fact you went for a Sunday drive   just to have a beer..

It used to be 0.1%.  Then lowered to 0.08% and then to 0.05% in Qld.  In each case, if you were caught, the car was parked up and you found some other way to get home.  There was an automatic 24 hours suspension of the Licence.  In the good old days in the sticks, Pineapple Cabs would drive you home if you were not an arsehole.

Aussie wrote on May 21^st, 2019 at 6:48pm:


Yep that's correct.

John Smith wrote on May 21^st, 2019 at 5:52pm:


Years ago, I got familiar with the law enough to quote certain acts. Come one evening, I was walking along the right-hand side of the road. A police vehicle approached. I got off the road and started walking along the side of the road. I was stopped by the police. The passenger side officer started asking me questions for an identity check. I was assertive with the young officer -- about my age. The driver was a female. She seemed familiar with me. I don't remember what provoked the conflict. However, the officer threatened to cite me for jaywalking. I politely informed him that I was not impeding his vehicle when I was walking on the road and had immediately left the road for the sake of not being in their way LONG before they approached me. I even cited the law verbatim. The junior officer asked me, wide-eyed, "are you a lawyer?" [That amused me a bit, seeing that the motivation for learning the law was because a lawyer handed my arse to me in court. That was until it was overturned upon appeal].

That was years ago. A few years back, the same officer pulled me up for another identity check. This time he recognised me, and the conversation was more civil from him.

To answer your question, I think even the most blatant jaywalkers get done only if they are creating a hazard. And, even then, it is because the person is not lucid enough to realise that they are creating a problem.

UnSubRocky wrote on May 22^nd, 2019 at 3:33am:


No where in my post did I suggest that I thought I was a better driver when I was pissed.

Just said I never had an accident whilst I was drunk.

There are plenty of people who reckon they're better drivers than anyone... whether they're drunk or sober... twats.