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Re: 'rape torture and slaughter bits' in the Quran
Reply #210 - Jun 18^th, 2019 at 1:37pm

moses wrote on Jun 16^th, 2019 at 3:23pm:

Abu wrote Quote:

I think that's what a war is, Moses.

So negative, I know. FD likes you to be more jolly about it.

The invasion of Iraq was a classic slaughter in the land.

What about the wars where the weaker sides give in and surrender early, why does the qur'an say that you can't stop killing and take them captive until you've made a great slaughter in the land?

It's a verse of convenience which excuses muhammads blood lust over captured people.

I see. That must be why the Quran says this:

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The alms are only for the poor and the needy, and those who collect them, and those whose hearts are to be reconciled, and to free the slaves and the debtors, and for the cause of Allah, and (for) the wayfarer; a duty imposed by Allah. Allah is Knower, Wise.[24]

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Reply #211 - Jun 18^th, 2019 at 4:18pm

No I think it's the reason the qur'an says this:
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qur'an 2.216: Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not.

It's against rules of islam to not want to fight and cause a great slaughter in the land. (that's bad for you, the bloodshed is tops, allah says so)

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Reply #212 - Jun 18^th, 2019 at 6:56pm

moses wrote on Jun 18^th, 2019 at 4:18pm:

No I think it's the reason the qur'an says this:
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qur'an 2.216: Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not.

It's against rules of islam to not want to fight and cause a great slaughter in the land. (that's bad for you, the bloodshed is tops, allah says so)

Indeed it is. Would you like to translate the correct interpretation of fighting/striving?

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moses Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6353	Re: 'rape torture and slaughter bits' in the Quran Reply #213 - Jun 19^th, 2019 at 3:02pm doing all you can to ensure there is a great slaughter in the land?
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Re: 'rape torture and slaughter bits' in the Quran
Reply #214 - Jun 20^th, 2019 at 3:17am

moses wrote on Jun 19^th, 2019 at 3:02pm:

doing all you can to ensure there is a great slaughter in the land?

No, dear. It means faith, prayer, charity, fasting and pilgrimage.

Doing these things is an attempt to fight your ego and identify instead with others/God.

You've only read half a verse in Chapter 9, so there's no need to beat yourself up for not understanding the purpose of Islam.

We're all here to learn, no?

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Re: 'rape torture and slaughter bits' in the Quran
Reply #215 - Jun 20^th, 2019 at 3:49pm

allah causes disbelief. qur'an 6:125

allah then hates this disbelief. qur'an 40:35

allah could have killed these disbelievers but he wants muzzies to do it as a test. quran 47.4

Now I say these verses are a reflection of the central teachings of islam.

A death cult which uses religion to urge muslims to commit human rights atrocities until all religion is for allah.

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Faruk New Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 28	Re: 'rape torture and slaughter bits' in the Quran Reply #216 - Jun 21^st, 2019 at 7:12am Frank wrote on May 15^th, 2019 at 7:15pm: the demand that Islam not be criticised by the 'infidel', What verse is this?
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Faruk New Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 28	Re: 'rape torture and slaughter bits' in the Quran Reply #217 - Jun 21^st, 2019 at 7:14am moses wrote on Jun 20^th, 2019 at 3:49pm: Now I say these verses are a reflection of the central teachings of islam. What are the central teachings of Islam?
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Re: 'rape torture and slaughter bits' in the Quran
Reply #218 - Jun 21^st, 2019 at 10:54am

Faruk wrote on Jun 21^st, 2019 at 7:12am:

Frank wrote on May 15^th, 2019 at 7:15pm:

the demand that Islam not be criticised by the 'infidel',

What verse is this?

Perhaps it could be this verse

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Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment,

https://quran.com/5/33

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Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.

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Re: 'rape torture and slaughter bits' in the Quran
Reply #219 - Jun 21^st, 2019 at 11:12am

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 21^st, 2019 at 10:54am:

Faruk wrote on Jun 21^st, 2019 at 7:12am:

Frank wrote on May 15^th, 2019 at 7:15pm:

the demand that Islam not be criticised by the 'infidel',

What verse is this?

Perhaps it could be this verse

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Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment,

No, that doesn't follow.

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Reply #220 - Jun 21^st, 2019 at 12:57pm

Faruk wrote on Jun 21^st, 2019 at 11:12am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 21^st, 2019 at 10:54am:

Faruk wrote on Jun 21^st, 2019 at 7:12am:

Frank wrote on May 15^th, 2019 at 7:15pm:

the demand that Islam not be criticised by the 'infidel',

What verse is this?

Perhaps it could be this verse

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Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment,

No, that doesn't follow.

So how do you wage war against something nobody can see or touch (allah)?

Saudi Arabia chops peoples heads off for criticising Islam, Iran started hanging critics of Islam after the 1979 Islamic revolution and even Pakistan which was created around the same time as Israel in a similar manner has the death penalty for blasphemy.

Are you saying the Saudis,Iran and Pakistan just to name a few are wrong in killing people for criticising Islam?

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Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.

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Re: 'rape torture and slaughter bits' in the Quran
Reply #221 - Jun 21^st, 2019 at 3:05pm

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What are the central teachings of Islam?

Amount of Text Devoted to the Kafir

The Koran says that the Kafir may be deceived, plotted against, hated, enslaved, mocked, tortured and worse. The word is usually translated as “unbeliever” but this translation is wrong. The word “unbeliever” is logically and emotionally neutral, whereas, Kafir is the most abusive, prejudiced and hateful word in any language.

Islam devotes a great amount of energy to the Kafir. The majority (64%) of the Koran is devoted to the Kafir, and nearly all of the Sira (81%) deals with Mohammed’s struggle with them. The Hadith (Traditions) devotes 32% of the text to Kafirs1. Overall, the Trilogy devotes 60% of its content to the Kafir.

Hadith 37%
Sira 81%
Koran 64%
Total 60%

Hatred for the sake of Allah and love for the sake of Allah is called Al Walaa wa al Baraa, a fundamental principle of Islamic ethics and Sharia. A Muslim is to hate what Allah hates and love what Allah loves. Allah hates the Kafir, therefore, a Muslim is to act accordingly.

rape torture and mass slaughter?

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Mattyfisk Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 92279 Gender:	Re: 'rape torture and slaughter bits' in the Quran Reply #222 - Jun 22^nd, 2019 at 1:06am That's a propaganda site, Moses - the kind FD refuses to rule out in his campaign against the Muselman. We'll ask G if you don't mind. G, does 64% of the Quran address the deception, enslavement, rape, torture, and killing of the kafir? A simple yes or no will suffice.
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Re: 'rape torture and slaughter bits' in the Quran
Reply #223 - Jun 22^nd, 2019 at 8:00am

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 21^st, 2019 at 12:57pm:

Faruk wrote on Jun 21^st, 2019 at 11:12am:

[quote author=Baronvonrort link=1557896757/218#218 date=1561078457][quote author=Relent link=1557896757/216#216 date=1561065127][quote author=Frank link=1557896757/3#3 date=1557911758] the demand that Islam not be criticised by the 'infidel',

So how do you wage war against something nobody can see or touch (allah)?

Saudi Arabia chops peoples heads off for criticising Islam, Iran started hanging critics of Islam after the 1979 Islamic revolution and even Pakistan which was created around the same time as Israel in a similar manner has the death penalty for blasphemy.

Are you saying the Saudis,Iran and Pakistan just to name a few are wrong in killing people for criticising Islam?

Allah (Subhaanahu wa ta'ala) has given revelation to mankind to show them the way of the Creator. Those who oppose this way and the people following it are opposing Allah (Subhaanahu wa ta'ala).

I am not an expert in cases of execution in the Middle East for such acts nor was I ever there as a witness. Without individualising separate cases I cannot tell you what I think of them or what the crimes, as well as the charges, really were.

But hypothetically, yes, execution over mere criticism is wrong.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47364 At my desk.	Re: 'rape torture and slaughter bits' in the Quran Reply #224 - Jun 22^nd, 2019 at 8:08am Did Muhammad once have a poet executed for mocking him?
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