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Why we hate you and Why we fight you
May 14th, 2019 at 8:04am
 
http://www.oswego.edu/~delancey/314_DIR/WhyWeHateYou.pdf


a very enlightening article. (i urge you to read  it) it is writeen by the very eloquent members of ISIS

it always struck me that ISIS would be VERY ATTRACTIVE to disaffected youth.

you get instant status as a badass.
you get supplied with young female sex slaves
you get to blow crap up.
you get an AK47.
you get to be like james bond with a licence to kill.
and it all ends in paradise.

that is just such an EASY SELL.

to be honest, i'll be amazed if ISIS cant sign up more kids then PETA or Get Up.

this article was released BY ISIS just to clarify why they fight.
and its not because of the americans trying to pinch the oil !!

its purely because of the ideology.

when you read a report by a Finnish born woman who went to fight with ISIS and who is SO JOYFUL that her 10 yo son was martyred because it was Allahs will. and when you think she came from one of the most advanced economies on earth, you realise ISIS has far from run its course and we are in for a very long and interesting ride
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Reply #1 - May 14th, 2019 at 9:21am
 
aquascoot wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 8:04am:
http://www.oswego.edu/~delancey/314_DIR/WhyWeHateYou.pdf


a very enlightening article. (i urge you to read  it) it is writeen by the very eloquent members of ISIS

it always struck me that ISIS would be VERY ATTRACTIVE to disaffected youth.

you get instant status as a badass.
you get supplied with young female sex slaves
you get to blow crap up.
you get an AK47.
you get to be like james bond with a licence to kill.
and it all ends in paradise.

that is just such an EASY SELL.

to be honest, i'll be amazed if ISIS cant sign up more kids then PETA or Get Up.

this article was released BY ISIS just to clarify why they fight.
and its not because of the americans trying to pinch the oil !!

its purely because of the ideology.

when you read a report by a Finnish born woman who went to fight with ISIS and who is SO JOYFUL that her 10 yo son was martyred because it was Allahs will. and when you think she came from one of the most advanced economies on earth, you realise ISIS has far from run its course and we are in for a very long and interesting ride


You believe ISIS, do you?

Interesting.

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Reply #2 - May 14th, 2019 at 9:27am
 
i believe ISIS when they categorically state things like this ...


We hate you, frst and foremost, because you
are disbelievers; you reject the oneness of Allah –
whether you realize it or not – by making partners
for Him in worship, you blaspheme against Him,
claiming that He has a son, you fabricate lies against
His prophets and messengers, and you indulge in all
manner of devilish practices. It is for this reason that
we were commanded to openly declare our hatred for
you and our enmity towards you.

its in their official publicity Dabiq.

do you dispute that this is what ISIS say?
do you think they say this is the reason for the caliphate but that it is about some other matter ?
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Reply #3 - May 14th, 2019 at 9:39am
 
aquascoot wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 9:27am:
i believe ISIS when they categorically state things like this ...


We hate you, frst and foremost, because you
are disbelievers; you reject the oneness of Allah –
whether you realize it or not – by making partners
for Him in worship, you blaspheme against Him,
claiming that He has a son, you fabricate lies against
His prophets and messengers, and you indulge in all
manner of devilish practices. It is for this reason that
we were commanded to openly declare our hatred for
you and our enmity towards you.

its in their official publicity Dabiq.

do you dispute that this is what ISIS say?
do you think they say this is the reason for the caliphate but that it is about some other matter ?


You're a gullible fool.

ISIS are the scum of the earth - there's no denying that.

I find it interesting that you refuse to believe that they would lie, though.

They like killing.  They're sociopaths.

If Islam didn't exist, they (and you) would find another excuse for their hatred.

Stop being an apologist for murderers, and stop believing everything criminals tell you.
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Reply #4 - May 14th, 2019 at 9:49am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 9:39am:
aquascoot wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 9:27am:
i believe ISIS when they categorically state things like this ...


We hate you, frst and foremost, because you
are disbelievers; you reject the oneness of Allah –
whether you realize it or not – by making partners
for Him in worship, you blaspheme against Him,
claiming that He has a son, you fabricate lies against
His prophets and messengers, and you indulge in all
manner of devilish practices. It is for this reason that
we were commanded to openly declare our hatred for
you and our enmity towards you.

its in their official publicity Dabiq.

do you dispute that this is what ISIS say?
do you think they say this is the reason for the caliphate but that it is about some other matter ?


You're a gullible fool.

ISIS are the scum of the earth - there's no denying that.

I find it interesting that you refuse to believe that they would lie, though.

They like killing.  They're sociopaths.

If Islam didn't exist, they (and you) would find another excuse for their hatred.

Stop being an apologist for murderers, and stop believing everything criminals tell you.



did you read the article?
as i said, the young teenage male (or female) is very attacted to the idea of sex slaves and being a gun toting gangster.
but how can he be persuaded to do this.

by the teaching of the buddha....nope.
by the teaching of jesus of nazareth ....nope.
by the teachings of islam....bingo.

to fail to see that and to fail to accept them at their word when they SAY thats why they are doing it is "willful blindness"

you think they are just recruiting psychopaths.
the london bombers were university educated engineers and one was a medical student.
this finnish woman rejoicing because her 10 yo has been martyred and it was allahs will.
do you think she is just a violent psychopath . Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #5 - May 14th, 2019 at 9:50am
 
aquascoot wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 9:49am:
greggerypeccary wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 9:39am:
aquascoot wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 9:27am:
i believe ISIS when they categorically state things like this ...


We hate you, frst and foremost, because you
are disbelievers; you reject the oneness of Allah –
whether you realize it or not – by making partners
for Him in worship, you blaspheme against Him,
claiming that He has a son, you fabricate lies against
His prophets and messengers, and you indulge in all
manner of devilish practices. It is for this reason that
we were commanded to openly declare our hatred for
you and our enmity towards you.

its in their official publicity Dabiq.

do you dispute that this is what ISIS say?
do you think they say this is the reason for the caliphate but that it is about some other matter ?


You're a gullible fool.

ISIS are the scum of the earth - there's no denying that.

I find it interesting that you refuse to believe that they would lie, though.

They like killing.  They're sociopaths.

If Islam didn't exist, they (and you) would find another excuse for their hatred.

Stop being an apologist for murderers, and stop believing everything criminals tell you.



did you read the article?
as i said, the young teenage male (or female) is very attacted to the idea of sex slaves and being a gun toting gangster.
but how can he be persuaded to do this.

by the teaching of the buddha....nope.
by the teaching of jesus of nazareth ....nope.
by the teachings of islam....bingo.

to fail to see that and to fail to accept them at their word when they SAY thats why they are doing it is "willful blindness"

you think they are just recruiting psychopaths.
the london bombers were university educated engineers and one was a medical student.
this finnish woman rejoicing because her 10 yo has been martyred and it was allahs will.
do you think she is just a violent psychopath . Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Why do you believe everything criminals tell you?

Why do you have such high regard for them?

I'm curious.
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Reply #6 - May 14th, 2019 at 9:58am
 
Dabeq is the official magazine distributed to the 100's of 1000's fighting in the caliphate.

they actually have a consensus that they dont like people like YOU calling them criminals and terrorists.
they want YOU to acknowledge what they are fighting for.

why would you not believe them? Cheesy Cheesy. this is from Dabiq, the official narrative of the caliphate.
educate yourself gweggy  Cheesy Cheesy

What’s equally if not more important to understand
is that we fght you, not simply to punish and deter
you, but to bring you true freedom in this life and
salvation in the Hereafter, freedom from being enslaved to your whims and desires as well as those of your
clergy and legislatures, and salvation by worshiping
your Creator alone and following His messenger. We
fght you in order to bring you out from the darkness
of disbelief and into the light of Islam, and to liberate
you from the constraints of living for the sake of the
worldly life alone so that you may enjoy both the blessings of the worldly life and the bliss of the Hereafter.
Te gist of the matter is that there is indeed a rhyme
to our terrorism, warfare, ruthlessness, and brutality.
As much as some liberal journalist would like you to
believe that we do what we do because we’re simply
monsters with no logic behind our course of action,
the fact is that we continue to wage – and escalate –
a calculated war that the West thought it had ended
several years ago. We continue dragging you further
and further into a swamp you thought you’d already
escaped only to realize that you’re stuck even deeper
within its murky waters… And we do so while ofering you a way out on our terms. So you can continue to believe that those “despicable terrorists” hate
you because of your lattes and your Timberlands, and
continue spending ridiculous amounts of money to
try to prevail in an unwinnable war, or you can accept
reality and recognize that we will never stop hating
you until you embrace Islam, and will never stop fghting you until you’re ready to leave the swamp of warfare and terrorism through the exits we provide, the
very exits put forth by our Lord for the People of the
Scripture: Islam, jizyah, or – as a last means of feeting
respite – a temporary truce.
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Reply #7 - May 14th, 2019 at 10:01am
 
aquascoot wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 9:58am:
Dabeq is the official magazine distributed to the 100's of 1000's fighting in the caliphate.

they actually have a consensus that they dont like people like YOU calling them criminals and terrorists.
they want YOU to acknowledge what they are fighting for.

why would you not believe them?



Oh, I don't know, something to do with them being murdering bastards maybe.   Roll Eyes

Call me crazy, but I don't believe everything criminals tell me.

I want to know why you do, though.

So, why do you trust criminals so much - why do you have so much faith in them?

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Reply #8 - May 14th, 2019 at 10:04am
 
Excellent post, Aquascoot. I've a good mind to reply to ISIL
- with reference to the Quran.
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Reply #9 - May 14th, 2019 at 10:05am
 
Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

3. In the case of the atheist fringe, we hate you
and wage war against you because you disbelieve in
the existence of your Lord and Creator. You witness
the extraordinarily complex makeup of created beings,
and the astonishing and inexplicably precise physical
laws that govern the entire universe, but insist that
they all came about through randomness and that one
should be faulted, mocked, and ostracized for recognizing that the astonishing
signs we witness day after day
are the creation of the Wise,
All-Knowing Creator and not
the result of accidental occurrence. “Or were they created
by nothing, or were they the
creators [of themselves]?” (AtTur 35). Your disbelief in your
Creator further leads you to
deny the Day of Judgment,
claiming that “you only live
once.” “Tose who disbelieve
have claimed that they will never be resurrected. Say, ‘Yes, by
my Lord, you will surely be resurrected; then you will surely
be informed of what you did.
And that, for Allah, is easy’”
(At-Taghabun 7).
4. We hate you for your
crimes against Islam and wage
war against you to punish you
for your transgressions against our religion. As long as
your subjects continue to mock our faith, insult the
prophets of Allah – including Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus, and Muhammad < – burn the Quran, and
openly vilify the laws of the Shari’ah, we will continue
to retaliate, not with slogans and placards, but with
bullets and knives.
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Reply #10 - May 14th, 2019 at 10:13am
 
Fear is the Mind Killer (Dune).
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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.
 
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Reply #11 - May 14th, 2019 at 10:14am
 
aquascoot wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 8:04am:
http://www.oswego.edu/~delancey/314_DIR/WhyWeHateYou.pdf


a very enlightening article. (i urge you to read  it) it is writeen by the very eloquent members of ISIS

it always struck me that ISIS would be VERY ATTRACTIVE to disaffected youth.

you get instant status as a badass.
you get supplied with young female sex slaves
you get to blow crap up.
you get an AK47.
you get to be like james bond with a licence to kill.
and it all ends in paradise.

that is just such an EASY SELL.

to be honest, i'll be amazed if ISIS cant sign up more kids then PETA or Get Up.

this article was released BY ISIS just to clarify why they fight.
and its not because of the americans trying to pinch the oil !!

its purely because of the ideology.

when you read a report by a Finnish born woman who went to fight with ISIS and who is SO JOYFUL that her 10 yo son was martyred because it was Allahs will. and when you think she came from one of the most advanced economies on earth, you realise ISIS has far from run its course and we are in for a very long and interesting ride


Was the Finnish woman a convert, a migrant or first generation Muslim born in Finland?

That would explain a lot because regardless of where they live they are Muslim only and Islam comes before everything....... including your own children. Roll Eyes
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Reply #12 - May 14th, 2019 at 10:14am
 
Poverty stricken sandle-wearing Resistance Rebels of Islam

verses

The Technological might of the USA 'Terminators' as they send in the Drones and other 'machines'.
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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.
 
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Reply #13 - May 14th, 2019 at 10:18am
 
Gnads wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 10:14am:
That would explain a lot because regardless of where they live they are Muslim only and Islam comes before everything....... including your own children. Roll Eyes



Where do you learn this crap? Jihad Watch?
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A group of random men write about their beliefs, and aquascoot faithfully believes it all without questioning a word.

What does that remind me of?   Undecided
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Reply #15 - May 14th, 2019 at 10:20am
 
mothra wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 10:18am:
Gnads wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 10:14am:
That would explain a lot because regardless of where they live they are Muslim only and Islam comes before everything....... including your own children. Roll Eyes



Where do you learn this crap? Jihad Watch?


The only crap espoused here comes off your fingers.
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Reply #16 - May 14th, 2019 at 10:22am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 10:01am:
aquascoot wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 9:58am:
Dabeq is the official magazine distributed to the 100's of 1000's fighting in the caliphate.

they actually have a consensus that they dont like people like YOU calling them criminals and terrorists.
they want YOU to acknowledge what they are fighting for.

why would you not believe them?



Oh, I don't know, something to do with them being murdering bastards maybe.   Roll Eyes

Call me crazy, but I don't believe everything criminals tell me.

I want to know why you do, though.

So, why do you trust criminals so much - why do you have so much faith in them?



aqua?

I'm still curious.
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Reply #17 - May 14th, 2019 at 10:23am
 
Gnads wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 10:20am:
mothra wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 10:18am:
Gnads wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 10:14am:
That would explain a lot because regardless of where they live they are Muslim only and Islam comes before everything....... including your own children. Roll Eyes



Where do you learn this crap? Jihad Watch?


The only crap espoused here comes off your fingers.


Whilst i am grateful for your accolades, this is demonstrably untrue as what you just wrote was utter crap.
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Reply #18 - May 14th, 2019 at 10:24am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 10:19am:
A group of random men write about their beliefs, and aquascoot faithfully believes it all without questioning a word.

What does that remind me of?   Undecided



a group of random men?
hardly.
the official magazine of the caliphate



Dabiq (Arabic: دابق‎) was an online magazine used by the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) for Islamic radicalisation[1] and recruitment.[2] It was first published in July 2014 in a number of different languages (including English). Dabiq itself states the magazine is for the purposes of unitarianism, truth-seeking, migration, holy war and community (tawhid, manhaj, hijrah, jihad and jama'ah respectively).


Contents
1      Details
2      Issues
3      Notes
4      See also
5      References
6      External links
Details
Dabiq was published by ISIL , although it was widely available online through other sources.[3][4][5][6] The first issue carried the date "Ramadan 1435" in the Islamic Hijri calendar.[2] According to the magazine, its name was taken from the town of Dabiq in northern Syria, which is mentioned in a hadith about Armageddon.[7] ISIL believes Dabiq is where Muslim and infidel forces will eventually face each other.[2][8] After the crusader forces' defeat, the apocalypse will begin.[9] Every issue of Dabiq contained a quote attributed to Abu Musab al-Zarqawi: "The spark has been lit here in Iraq, and its heat will continue to intensify –by Allah's permission- until it burns the crusader armies in Dabiq".[10]

Harleen K. Gambhir of the Institute for the Study of War considered that while al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula's magazine Inspire focuses on encouraging its readers to carry out lone-wolf attacks on the West, Dabiq was more concerned with establishing the religious legitimacy of ISIL and its self-proclaimed caliphate, and encouraging Muslims to emigrate there.[11] In its October 2014 issue, an article outlined religious justifications for slavery and praised its revival.[1][12][13][14][15]

ISIL has used its Dabiq magazine to express its strong opposition to groups including Christians,[16][17][18][19] Jews,[20][21][22][23] Hindus,[24][25] Shia Muslims[26][27][28][29] and the Muslim Brotherhood.[30][31][32][33]

In September 2016, ISIL replaced Dabiq with another online magazine, Rumiyah (Arabic for Rome), published in English and other languages. Analysts speculated this was due to ISIL being driven out of the town of Dabiq by the Turkish Military and Syrian Rebels in October 2016. The new title refers to an Islamic prophecy about the fall of Rome.[34][35][36][37]

Issues
Issue      Cover title[n 1]      Date (Hijri)[n 2]      Date (Gregorian)      Publication frequency[n 3]
1
"The Return of Khilafah"      Ramadan 1435      5 July 2014      
2
"The Flood"      Ramadan 1435      27 July 2014      22
3
"A Call to Hijrah"      Shawwal 1435      10 September 2014      45
4
"The Failed Crusade"      Dhul-Hijjah 1435      11 October 2014      31
5
"Remaining and Expanding"      Muharram 1436      21 November 2014      41
6
"Al Qa'idah of Waziristan: A Testimony from Within"      Rabi' Al-Awwal 1436      29 December 2014      38
7
"From Hypocrisy to Apostasy: The Extinction of the Grayzone"      Rabi'Al-Akhir 1436      12 February 2015      45
8
"Shari'ah Alone Will Rule Africa"      Jumada al-Akhirah 1436      30 March 2015      46
9
"They Plot and Allah Plots"      Sha'ban 1436      21 May 2015      52
10
"The Law of Allah or the Laws of Men"      Ramadan 1436      13 July 2015      53
11
"From the Battles of Al-Ahzāb to the War of Coalitions"      Dhul Qa'Dah 1436      9 September 2015      27
12
"Just Terror"      Safar 1437      18 November 2015      101
13
"The Rafidah from Ibn Saba' to the Dajjal"      Rabi'Al-Akhir 1437      19 January 2016      62
14
"The Murtadd Brotherhood"      Rajab 1437      13 April 2016      85
15
"Break the Cross"      Shawwal 1437      31 July 2016      109
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Reply #19 - May 14th, 2019 at 10:30am
 
aquascoot wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 8:04am:


......when you read a report by a Finnish born woman who went to fight with ISIS and who is SO JOYFUL that her 10 yo son was martyred because it was Allahs will. and when you think she came from one of the most advanced economies on earth, you realise ISIS has far from run its course and
we are in for a very long and interesting ride





aquascoot,

I don't disagree with that assessment.


But why ?

Ask youself, WHY are we, "....in for a very long and interesting ride".    ???



'The fault, dear Brutus, lies not in our stars, but in ourselves if we are underlings.'
- William Shakespeare, Julius Ceasar


The fault, dear aqua, lies not in ISIS [per se] or even in ISLAM, but in ourselves.

Why don't we, and our leaders, see recognise and openly acknowledge how abhorrent a philosophy, ISLAM is ?




aqua,

If you are interested, chase up this quote....

"Bernard was right; the pathogen is nothing; the terrain is everything."
- Louis Pasteur's deathbed words Winifred


WE, are the 'terrain', aqua.

Our society.

Our society, is morally corrupt.

We once did,   ....but we no longer know how to choose the good, and to reject the wicked, the evil.

And what we have built, our 'house', is going to be 'removed', one way, or another.



Look at the world.

Mankind.

We are all stumbling along a path, in darkness, approaching the edge of a precipice.

And when we all tumble over that precipice, it will be ourselves, who are to blame.
....coz we rejected the light.



.



Psalms 7:15
He made a pit, and digged it, and is fallen into the ditch which he made.



My advice ?

Get right with your God.
....which is very difficult, for those who     know     that God does not exist.



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Reply #20 - May 14th, 2019 at 10:36am
 

aqua: why do you trust criminals so much - why do you have so much faith in them?

You say Trump doesn't lie, and now you claim that murderers never lie either.

There's a pattern forming here.

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mothra wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 10:23am:
Gnads wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 10:20am:
mothra wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 10:18am:
Gnads wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 10:14am:
That would explain a lot because regardless of where they live they are Muslim only and Islam comes before everything....... including your own children. Roll Eyes



Where do you learn this crap? Jihad Watch?


The only crap espoused here comes off your fingers.


Whilst i am grateful for your accolades, this is demonstrably untrue as what you just wrote was utter crap.


No it's not.....

Your turn to say ..... yes it is.  Roll Eyes
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Reply #22 - May 14th, 2019 at 10:50am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 10:36am:
aqua: why do you trust criminals so much - why do you have so much faith in them?

You say Trump doesn't lie, and now you claim that murderers never lie either.

There's a pattern forming here.




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What’s equally if not more important to understand
is that we fght you, not simply to punish and deter
you, but to bring you true freedom in this life and
salvation in the Hereafter, freedom from being enslaved to your whims and desires as well as those of your
clergy and legislatures, and salvation by worshiping
your Creator alone and following His messenger. We
fght you in order to bring you out from the darkness
of disbelief and into the light of Islam, and to liberate
you from the constraints of living for the sake of the
worldly life alone so that you may enjoy both the blessings of the worldly life and the bliss of the Hereafter.


dabiq alone was able to recruit 70 finnish people to join the caliphate.

a very effective recruiting tool it would seem.
and the arguments are all about the religion.
if its not the religion, then why would finns be saying its about the religion  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

A woman describes her experiences of growing up in Helsinki and moving to the area called as the caliphate by Isis in a recent edition of Dabiq, a propaganda magazine published online by the terrorist organisation, both Helsingin Sanomat and STT have reported.

“I come from Finland, a ‘Christian’ nation where people do not strongly adhere to their corrupted religion,” she writes under the nom de guerre of Umm Khalid al-Finlandyyah.

The woman describes in the article how she began to question the teachings of Christianity, converted to Islam, gradually radicalised and, eventually, moved to the area governed by Isis

Dabiq is published in a variety of languages and used by the terrorist organisation as a tool to radicalise and recruit foreigners, according to the Washington Post. The magazine also portrays Isis as the only true voice of Muslims, writes Helsingin Sanomat. STT, meanwhile, reminds that it is virtually impossible to verify the gender or nationality of those contributing to the magazine, let alone the veracity of their accounts.

The Finnish Security Intelligence Service (Supo) admits in its latest yearbook that its workload has grown due to the number of people who have left Finland to travel the conflict-ridden areas in Iraq and Syria.

At least 70 adults and dozens of children had travelled to the area by the end of [2015], according to Supo.

Supo also estimates that the ongoing conflict will have a long-term impact on security in Finland: “A new generation of jihadists, among them also Finnish nationals, is growing up [in] the areas controlled by terrorist organisations in Syria and Iraq. Due to terrorist fighters originating from Finland, also foreign radical Islamists know Finland better than before.”


i suppose gweg knows more then the finnish security services.
after all finland is a hot bed of islamophobia  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #23 - May 14th, 2019 at 10:52am
 

ISIS, according to aquascoot:

- murderers?  Yes!

- torturers?  Yes!

- misogynists?  Yes!

- homophobes?  Yes!

- liars? How could you even suggest such a thing   Angry
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nothing to do with the koran gweg ?
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Reply #25 - May 14th, 2019 at 11:02am
 
Gnads wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 10:44am:
mothra wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 10:23am:
Gnads wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 10:20am:
mothra wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 10:18am:
Gnads wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 10:14am:
That would explain a lot because regardless of where they live they are Muslim only and Islam comes before everything....... including your own children. Roll Eyes



Where do you learn this crap? Jihad Watch?


The only crap espoused here comes off your fingers.


Whilst i am grateful for your accolades, this is demonstrably untrue as what you just wrote was utter crap.


No it's not.....

Your turn to say ..... yes it is.  Roll Eyes


Which statement? The one where you stated that all Muslims put their religion before their children or the one in which you claim i'm the only poster on this forum to speak crap?

To your first, you simply cannot know that and there is no evidence to suggest it so it's obviously crap.

As to your second comment, even if i did only speak crap, i'm far from the only person on this forum to do so. Or do agree with everything everyone else says all the time? At once?

So, yeah, it is.

Your turn to say "No, it's not". Is that the rules?
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Reply #26 - May 14th, 2019 at 11:06am
 
aquascoot wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 11:00am:
nothing to do with the koran gweg ?


Not a convenient excuse, aqua?

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Reply #27 - May 14th, 2019 at 11:16am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 11:06am:
aquascoot wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 11:00am:
nothing to do with the koran gweg ?


Not a convenient excuse, aqua?




dabiq, the official magazine of the 100's of 1000's of fighters says that it is totally to do with the koran.

you say they are just psychopaths and that the koran is irrelevant.

may i suggest , if you have the courage of your convictions that you burn a copy, make a video identifiying yourself and your address, post it online and then get back to us as to whether it has anything to do with the koran (or dont get back to us as the case may be  Grin Grin)
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Reply #28 - May 14th, 2019 at 11:18am
 
mothra wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 11:02am:
Gnads wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 10:44am:
mothra wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 10:23am:
Gnads wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 10:20am:
mothra wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 10:18am:
Gnads wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 10:14am:
That would explain a lot because regardless of where they live they are Muslim only and Islam comes before everything....... including your own children. Roll Eyes



Where do you learn this crap? Jihad Watch?


The only crap espoused here comes off your fingers.


Whilst i am grateful for your accolades, this is demonstrably untrue as what you just wrote was utter crap.


No it's not.....

Your turn to say ..... yes it is.  Roll Eyes


Which statement? The one where you stated that all Muslims put their religion before their children or the one in which you claim i'm the only poster on this forum to speak crap?

To your first, you simply cannot know that and there is no evidence to suggest it so it's obviously crap.

As to your second comment, even if i did only speak crap, i'm far from the only person on this forum to do so. Or do agree with everything everyone else says all the time? At once?

So, yeah, it is.

Your turn to say "No, it's not". Is that the rules?


You started it..... and yes it is.

So farcough.
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Reply #29 - May 14th, 2019 at 11:18am
 
aquascoot wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 11:16am:
greggerypeccary wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 11:06am:
aquascoot wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 11:00am:
nothing to do with the koran gweg ?


Not a convenient excuse, aqua?




dabiq, the official magazine of the 100's of 1000's of fighters says that it is totally to do with the koran.



Why do you have 100% faith in what criminals tell you?

You still haven't given an answer.

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Reply #30 - May 14th, 2019 at 11:36am
 
aquascoot wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 11:16am:
you say they are just psychopaths and that the koran is irrelevant.



No, I didn't say it's irrelevant.

It's the excuse they use for killing people, so it's very relevant.

It's also the excuse you use for them, so it's by no means irrelevant.

What I still don't get though, is why you believe everything criminals tell you and why you make excuses for them.


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Reply #31 - May 14th, 2019 at 11:52am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 11:36am:
aquascoot wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 11:16am:
you say they are just psychopaths and that the koran is irrelevant.



No, I didn't say it's irrelevant.

It's the excuse they use for killing people, so it's very relevant.

It's also the excuse you use for them, so it's by no means irrelevant.

What I still don't get though, is why you believe everything criminals tell you and why you make excuses for them.



Are they convicted criminals?  I can't remember seeing anything that says they have been convicted of a crime....so how are they criminals?  Alleged criminals according to our stupid society....that's all they are. Free men.

Then....
Have you not seen any evidence of isis killing people? 
Have you not seen isis flags raised above cities after they had taken control? 
For someone who claims to be on the ball,  you sure do miss a lot.
Interesting.


So ISIS according to this apologist is all a lie. The ISIS soldiers are just liars. If they said they were gonna kill you then don't stress,  they're lying.

I find it hilarious that you think just because they are criminals that everything they say is a lie. How do you excuse your political friends then.....and they aren't even criminals by conviction? 



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Captain Caveman wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 11:52am:
Are they convicted criminals?  I can't remember seeing anything that says they have been convicted of a crime....so how are they criminals?  Alleged criminals according to our stupid society....that's all they are. Free men.


Sounds like you're defending them but, okay - alleged criminals.

Captain Caveman wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 11:52am:
Have you not seen any evidence of isis killing people? 
Have you not seen isis flags raised above cities after they had taken control? 

I certainly have.

They're murdering bastards (allegedly).

Captain Caveman wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 11:52am:
So ISIS according to this apologist is all a lie. The ISIS soldiers are just liars. If they said they were gonna kill you then don't stress,  they're lying.

Nobody here has said anything like that.

Perhaps you read that somewhere else.

Captain Caveman wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 11:52am:
I find it hilarious that you think just because they are criminals that everything they say is a lie.

That's not what I think at all.

Not sure where you're getting that nonsense from.

I'm saying I don't automatically believe everything a criminal tells me.

At no stage have I ever said that everything a criminal says is a lie.

You'd do well to learn the difference.

These murderers say they do it all because of their faith.

My question to you is, why do you immediately believe them?

My second question to you and the other apologists on here for these murderers is, if Islam didn't exist are you saying that these murdering bastards would all be peace-loving, fine upstanding, law-abiding citizens?

I'm curious.

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Reply #33 - May 14th, 2019 at 1:11pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 12:04pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 11:52am:
Are they convicted criminals?  I can't remember seeing anything that says they have been convicted of a crime....so how are they criminals?  Alleged criminals according to our stupid society....that's all they are. Free men.


Sounds like you're defending them but, okay - alleged criminals.

Captain Caveman wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 11:52am:
Have you not seen any evidence of isis killing people? 
Have you not seen isis flags raised above cities after they had taken control? 

I certainly have.

They're murdering bastards (allegedly).

Captain Caveman wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 11:52am:
So ISIS according to this apologist is all a lie. The ISIS soldiers are just liars. If they said they were gonna kill you then don't stress,  they're lying.

Nobody here has said anything like that.

Perhaps you read that somewhere else.

Captain Caveman wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 11:52am:
I find it hilarious that you think just because they are criminals that everything they say is a lie.

That's not what I think at all.

Not sure where you're getting that nonsense from.

I'm saying I don't automatically believe everything a criminal tells me.

At no stage have I ever said that everything a criminal says is a lie.

You'd do well to learn the difference.

These murderers say they do it all because of their faith.

My question to you is, why do you immediately believe them?

My second question to you and the other apologists on here for these murderers is, if Islam didn't exist are you saying that these murdering bastards would all be peace-loving, fine upstanding, law-abiding citizens?

I'm curious.




most would behave much better.

the ideology  IS the problem.

when a christian shoots an abortion doctor, that christain firmly believes that they are saving children from being murdered. it would be immoral not to act.
the book is the problem.

if you burnt a koran or made a charlie habdo cartoon, millions of people experience real pain.
you put a pain meter on their brains and it is 'off the dial". they are absolutely distressed beyond comprehension, it is very real suffering to them. i sympathise. they are good people led astray by the ideology.

the ISIS guys were often close to tears apparently throwing homosexuals off roofs. they view it as an act of love because the homosexual cant get into paradise . they would embrace their victims. they werent some bloodthirsty mob on the rampage. far from it.

the ideology is the problem, the book is the problem.

muhhamed atta was a very smart guy and a very brave guy to fly into the world trade centre. thats commitment, thats passion, the book was the inspiration.

stop letting the book off the hook.

these are often good people who do terrible things thanks to the book.

you, gweg have it completely ass about
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Reply #34 - May 14th, 2019 at 1:15pm
 
aquascoot wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 1:11pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 12:04pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 11:52am:
Are they convicted criminals?  I can't remember seeing anything that says they have been convicted of a crime....so how are they criminals?  Alleged criminals according to our stupid society....that's all they are. Free men.


Sounds like you're defending them but, okay - alleged criminals.

Captain Caveman wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 11:52am:
Have you not seen any evidence of isis killing people? 
Have you not seen isis flags raised above cities after they had taken control? 

I certainly have.

They're murdering bastards (allegedly).

Captain Caveman wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 11:52am:
So ISIS according to this apologist is all a lie. The ISIS soldiers are just liars. If they said they were gonna kill you then don't stress,  they're lying.

Nobody here has said anything like that.

Perhaps you read that somewhere else.

Captain Caveman wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 11:52am:
I find it hilarious that you think just because they are criminals that everything they say is a lie.

That's not what I think at all.

Not sure where you're getting that nonsense from.

I'm saying I don't automatically believe everything a criminal tells me.

At no stage have I ever said that everything a criminal says is a lie.

You'd do well to learn the difference.

These murderers say they do it all because of their faith.

My question to you is, why do you immediately believe them?

My second question to you and the other apologists on here for these murderers is, if Islam didn't exist are you saying that these murdering bastards would all be peace-loving, fine upstanding, law-abiding citizens?

I'm curious.




most would behave much better.

the ideology  IS the problem.

when a christian shoots an abortion doctor, that christain firmly believes that they are saving children from being murdered. it would be immoral not to act.
the book is the problem.

if you burnt a koran or made a charlie habdo cartoon, millions of people experience real pain.
you put a pain meter on their brains and it is 'off the dial". they are absolutely distressed beyond comprehension, it is very real suffering to them. i sympathise. they are good people led astray by the ideology.

the ISIS guys were often close to tears apparently throwing homosexuals off roofs. they view it as an act of love because the homosexual cant get into paradise . they would embrace their victims. they werent some bloodthirsty mob on the rampage. far from it.

the ideology is the problem, the book is the problem.

muhhamed atta was a very smart guy and a very brave guy to fly into the world trade centre. thats commitment, thats passion, the book was the inspiration.

stop letting the book off the hook.

these are often good people who do terrible things thanks to the book.

you, gweg have it completely ass about


You, aqua, are an apologist.

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Reply #35 - May 14th, 2019 at 1:18pm
 
aquascoot wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 1:11pm:
these are often good people who do terrible things thanks to the book.


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Reply #36 - May 14th, 2019 at 1:46pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 12:04pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 11:52am:
Are they convicted criminals?  I can't remember seeing anything that says they have been convicted of a crime....so how are they criminals?  Alleged criminals according to our stupid society....that's all they are. Free men.


Sounds like you're defending them but, okay - alleged criminals.

Captain Caveman wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 11:52am:
Have you not seen any evidence of isis killing people? 
Have you not seen isis flags raised above cities after they had taken control? 

I certainly have.

They're murdering bastards (allegedly).

Captain Caveman wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 11:52am:
So ISIS according to this apologist is all a lie. The ISIS soldiers are just liars. If they said they were gonna kill you then don't stress,  they're lying.

Nobody here has said anything like that.

Perhaps you read that somewhere else.

Captain Caveman wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 11:52am:
I find it hilarious that you think just because they are criminals that everything they say is a lie.

That's not what I think at all.

Not sure where you're getting that nonsense from.

I'm saying I don't automatically believe everything a criminal tells me.

At no stage have I ever said that everything a criminal says is a lie.

You'd do well to learn the difference.

These murderers say they do it all because of their faith.

My question to you is, why do you immediately believe them?

My second question to you and the other apologists on here for these murderers is, if Islam didn't exist are you saying that these murdering bastards would all be peace-loving, fine upstanding, law-abiding citizens?

I'm curious.





1. I don't trust them. Whether they speak truth or lie. There has to be some truth in the article due to the efforts ISIS go to to create fear.

2. That is a hypothetical. Islam is here.
Perhaps if America had of kept its nose out of there then the dictators would still be running the show and we wouldn't have the spread of Islam in the west.
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Reply #37 - May 14th, 2019 at 2:47pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 1:18pm:
aquascoot wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 1:11pm:
these are often good people who do terrible things thanks to the book.


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Honestly, how do you argue with that? I mean, where to start?
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Reply #38 - May 14th, 2019 at 2:50pm
 
mothra wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 2:47pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 1:18pm:
aquascoot wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 1:11pm:
these are often good people who do terrible things thanks to the book.


Shocked



Honestly, how do you argue with that? I mean, where to start?


And he wonders why I call him an apologist.

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ISIS

Stands for

Imbicilles Supporting Idiocy Stupidly

Have you ever wondered about the single finger salute they do.

Well it's like this
Its the finger they shove up their mates arse
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A WONDERFUL, PEACEFUL, BEAUTIFUL DREAM.
A DREAM OF A WORLD THAT HAS NEVER KNOWN ISLAM
A DREAM OF A WORLD FREE FROM THE HORRORS OF ISLAM.

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Reply #40 - May 16th, 2019 at 6:26am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 1:15pm:
aquascoot wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 1:11pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 12:04pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 11:52am:
Are they convicted criminals?  I can't remember seeing anything that says they have been convicted of a crime....so how are they criminals?  Alleged criminals according to our stupid society....that's all they are. Free men.


Sounds like you're defending them but, okay - alleged criminals.

Captain Caveman wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 11:52am:
Have you not seen any evidence of isis killing people? 
Have you not seen isis flags raised above cities after they had taken control? 

I certainly have.

They're murdering bastards (allegedly).

Captain Caveman wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 11:52am:
So ISIS according to this apologist is all a lie. The ISIS soldiers are just liars. If they said they were gonna kill you then don't stress,  they're lying.

Nobody here has said anything like that.

Perhaps you read that somewhere else.

Captain Caveman wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 11:52am:
I find it hilarious that you think just because they are criminals that everything they say is a lie.

That's not what I think at all.

Not sure where you're getting that nonsense from.

I'm saying I don't automatically believe everything a criminal tells me.

At no stage have I ever said that everything a criminal says is a lie.

You'd do well to learn the difference.

These murderers say they do it all because of their faith.

My question to you is, why do you immediately believe them?

My second question to you and the other apologists on here for these murderers is, if Islam didn't exist are you saying that these murdering bastards would all be peace-loving, fine upstanding, law-abiding citizens?

I'm curious.




most would behave much better.

the ideology  IS the problem.

when a christian shoots an abortion doctor, that christain firmly believes that they are saving children from being murdered. it would be immoral not to act.
the book is the problem.

if you burnt a koran or made a charlie habdo cartoon, millions of people experience real pain.
you put a pain meter on their brains and it is 'off the dial". they are absolutely distressed beyond comprehension, it is very real suffering to them. i sympathise. they are good people led astray by the ideology.

the ISIS guys were often close to tears apparently throwing homosexuals off roofs. they view it as an act of love because the homosexual cant get into paradise . they would embrace their victims. they werent some bloodthirsty mob on the rampage. far from it.

the ideology is the problem, the book is the problem.

muhhamed atta was a very smart guy and a very brave guy to fly into the world trade centre. thats commitment, thats passion, the book was the inspiration.

stop letting the book off the hook.

these are often good people who do terrible things thanks to the book.

you, gweg have it completely ass about


You, aqua, are an apologist.




i would just ask mothra and gweg if they think there has ever been someone who strapped on a suicide vest who thought they were "going to paradise" for performing this act?

thats why they say they do it.
thats why their comrades say they did it.

gweg and mothra just dont seem to believe this has ever been the case.

interested in their arguements.

oh hang on, i'll do their work for them

"you are an apologist"  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #41 - May 16th, 2019 at 6:50am
 
mothra wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 2:47pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 1:18pm:
aquascoot wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 1:11pm:
these are often good people who do terrible things thanks to the book.


Shocked



Honestly, how do you argue with that? I mean, where to start?


Indeed.

He's actually telling us now that terrorists are "good people".

Beggars belief.

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so no suicide bomber ever thought he was going to paradise gweg?

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Reply #43 - May 16th, 2019 at 7:02am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on May 16th, 2019 at 6:50am:
mothra wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 2:47pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 1:18pm:
aquascoot wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 1:11pm:
these are often good people who do terrible things thanks to the book.


Shocked



Honestly, how do you argue with that? I mean, where to start?


Indeed.

He's actually telling us now that terrorists are "good people".

Beggars belief.




yep, 

atta was an engineer, several of the london bombers were architects and one was training to be a doctor.
these werent agrieved palestinians.
they were affected by the ideology and the ideology was the cause.

i doubt muhammed atta would have crashed a plane into the WTC if the book did not exist.
he was a very calm and rational guy and quite courageous and he had the courage of his convictions.

when good people do bad things its often religion.

you wont condemn the book.

i think thats because you are gutless.

slamon rushdi did and he got into a bit of trouble.

several apostates in america have condemned it and they do so at great personal risk.

why?

because those who believe in the book experience incredible pain at the book being blasphemed. and the book allows them to come after anyone who isnt a yellow coward. ask charlie hebdo.

you wont blaspheme because you are weak.
i get it.
not everyone can be brave like rushdi and the journos at charlie hebdo
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Reply #44 - May 16th, 2019 at 8:41am
 

Apologist.

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Aquascoot is winning this hands down
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Reply #46 - May 16th, 2019 at 9:18am
 
PZ547 wrote on May 16th, 2019 at 8:51am:
Aquascoot is winning this hands down


Indeed.

He is the number one apologist for mass murderers.

I'm not disputing that at all.

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Reply #47 - May 16th, 2019 at 9:24am
 
PZ547 wrote on May 16th, 2019 at 8:51am:
Aquascoot is winning this hands down


Yep.
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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.
 
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Reply #48 - May 16th, 2019 at 9:31am
 
Jasin wrote on May 16th, 2019 at 9:24am:
PZ547 wrote on May 16th, 2019 at 8:51am:
Aquascoot is winning this hands down


Yep.


Indeed.

We all agree.

In the competition to find the biggest apologist for mass murderers, aquascoot is nailing it.

Just to refresh everyone's memory, here's what he says about ISIS terrorists:

"these are often good people who do terrible things thanks to the book."
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Reply #49 - May 16th, 2019 at 9:39am
 
so no suicide bomber ever thought he was going to paradise gweg?
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Reply #50 - May 16th, 2019 at 9:44am
 
aquascoot wrote on May 16th, 2019 at 9:39am:
so no suicide bomber ever thought he was going to paradise gweg?


A suicide bomber has serious mental issues.

No sane person would blow themselves up.

So, who knows what they think?

We know what you think, though:

"these are often good people who do terrible things thanks to the book."
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Reply #51 - May 16th, 2019 at 9:51am
 
see i dont think some lefties understand religious ideology.

and so you cant get your head around the fact that some people (more then some) A LOT OF PEOPLE , believe this stuff.

there are buddhists who absolutley believe they might be reborn into another life, reincarnation is a certainty to them. it sounds nutz but that doesnt matter.
their belief , however , is pretty harmless.

but belief in paradise for the act of martyrdom...now thats a whole different kettle of fish.

Rushdie called them on it and there are several brave ex muslims, one an ex jihadi named "maaqjid nawaz"who have said that THEY believed it and that belief in paradise for martyrdom is widespread.
he now needs security to keep him safe in the USA (for the crime of leaving the faith)
i get why you and the left are cowards on this but i would rather believe maajid then you .

fancy living in fear of leaving a faith tradition.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maajid_Nawaz

read about this guy and educate yourself

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Reply #52 - May 16th, 2019 at 9:55am
 
aquascoot wrote on May 16th, 2019 at 9:51am:
see i dont think some lefties understand religious ideology.


I don't think you understand that mass murderers are not "good people".

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Reply #53 - May 16th, 2019 at 10:07am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on May 16th, 2019 at 9:55am:
aquascoot wrote on May 16th, 2019 at 9:51am:
see i dont think some lefties understand religious ideology.


I don't think you understand that mass murderers are not "good people".




did you read the story of maajid nawaz?

he left his jihaadi brothers and fights for a secular islam.

that sound good doesnt it?

and yet what do the lefties do?

like you , they turn on the guy.
they link arms with the jihaadis and condemn him
its unbelievable.
now, he was a jihaadi.
he wanted to massacre people.
but he gave up the ideology , the "book" and yes, i do believe he is a good guy who was led astray by  a bad philosophy.

and here is what the leftie colleagues of yours had to say.
the southern poverty law centre,
the darlings of the left.
shameful stuff ,


good to see majiid score a win

In October 2016, the U.S. Southern Poverty Law Center accused Nawaz of being an "anti-Muslim extremist",[51] a label disputed by various media outlets, and Nawaz himself.[52][53][54][55][56] The Lantos Foundation for Human Rights & Justice wrote a public letter to the SPLC urging it to retract the listing.[57] Nawaz announced his intention to file a defamation lawsuit against the SPLC on the 23 June 2017 episode of Real Time with Bill Maher.[58] The SPLC deleted the HTML version of its list in April 2018.[59] In June 2018, the SPLC apologised and paid $3.375 million to Nawaz and Quilliam
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Reply #54 - May 17th, 2019 at 6:16am
 
so no suicide bomber ever thought he was going to paradise gweg?
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Reply #55 - May 17th, 2019 at 6:43am
 
aquascoot wrote on May 17th, 2019 at 6:16am:
so no suicide bomber ever thought he was going to paradise gweg?


A suicide bomber has serious mental issues.

No sane person would blow themselves up.

So, who knows what they think?

We know what you think, though:

"these are often good people who do terrible things thanks to the book."

Apologist.
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Reply #56 - May 17th, 2019 at 7:48am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on May 17th, 2019 at 6:43am:
aquascoot wrote on May 17th, 2019 at 6:16am:
so no suicide bomber ever thought he was going to paradise gweg?


A suicide bomber has serious mental issues.

No sane person would blow themselves up.

So, who knows what they think?

We know what you think, though:

"these are often good people who do terrible things thanks to the book."

Apologist.


so you dont think anyone of the islamic faith believes they are going to paradise for martyrdom.
its all pre existing 'serious mental issues".

do you believe anyone of the buddhist or hindu faith believes they can be reincarnated as an animal?
or just "serious mental issues".

do you believe jehovahs witnesses think a blood transfusion will result in an enternity in hell or just "serious mental issues"

do you think any scientologists truly believe they came from the planet xenu or is it just "serious mental issues"

do you think any catholics believe that bread and wine are changed into flesh and blood or just "serious mental issues'

do you think any mormons believe that John Smith met god or just serious mental issues.

suicide bombers say they are going to paradise but you just call them liars.

is everyone just lying.

are all ideologies believed by ABSOLUTELY NO ONE Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #57 - May 17th, 2019 at 8:34am
 
aquascoot wrote on May 17th, 2019 at 7:48am:
greggerypeccary wrote on May 17th, 2019 at 6:43am:
aquascoot wrote on May 17th, 2019 at 6:16am:
so no suicide bomber ever thought he was going to paradise gweg?


A suicide bomber has serious mental issues.

No sane person would blow themselves up.

So, who knows what they think?

We know what you think, though:

"these are often good people who do terrible things thanks to the book."

Apologist.


so you dont think anyone of the islamic faith believes they are going to paradise for martyrdom.
its all pre existing 'serious mental issues".

do you believe anyone of the buddhist or hindu faith believes they can be reincarnated as an animal?
or just "serious mental issues".

do you believe jehovahs witnesses think a blood transfusion will result in an enternity in hell or just "serious mental issues"

do you think any scientologists truly believe they came from the planet xenu or is it just "serious mental issues"

do you think any catholics believe that bread and wine are changed into flesh and blood or just "serious mental issues'

do you think any mormons believe that John Smith met god or just serious mental issues.

suicide bombers say they are going to paradise but you just call them liars.

is everyone just lying.

are all ideologies believed by ABSOLUTELY NO ONE Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


A suicide bomber has serious mental issues.

No sane person would blow themselves up.

So, who knows what they think? Going to paradise? Sure.

We all know what you think, though:

"these are often good people who do terrible things thanks to the book."

Apologist.
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Reply #58 - May 17th, 2019 at 9:57am
 
so no one was ever inspired to do bad things by "the book".

just bad people  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #59 - May 17th, 2019 at 10:11am
 
aquascoot wrote on May 17th, 2019 at 9:57am:
so no one was ever inspired to do bad things by "the book".

just bad people  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Good people don't kill.

Apologist.

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Reply #60 - May 17th, 2019 at 10:25am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on May 17th, 2019 at 10:11am:
aquascoot wrote on May 17th, 2019 at 9:57am:
so no one was ever inspired to do bad things by "the book".

just bad people  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Good people don't kill.

Apologist.



no, but ideologically possessed people do.

if your ideology revolves around believing in the planet xenu....no problem.
if your ideology revolves arounf paradise for martyrdom...problem .

and good people (or at least average people) can fall prey to ideological possession.

was every german a bad person in 1933,
did the ideology have nothing to do with it  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #61 - May 17th, 2019 at 10:40am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on May 17th, 2019 at 10:11am:
aquascoot wrote on May 17th, 2019 at 9:57am:

so no one was ever inspired to do bad things by "the book".

just bad people  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Good people don't kill.


Apologist.




So the allied armies who liberated Europe, were bad people,    ...in your opinion.

Many of the soldiers in the allied armies in WWII, killed people    [...and not a few of them, died themselves].



WWW search....
The Longest Day


Good movie.
....though some of it is difficult to watch.




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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
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Gnads wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 10:14am:
That would explain a lot because regardless of where they live they are Muslim only and Islam comes before everything....... including your own children. Roll Eyes


Why would you assume 'Islam' and 'your children' are mutually exclusive?

To an actual muslim, that idea would be simply absurd.
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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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Reply #63 - May 17th, 2019 at 11:01am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on May 17th, 2019 at 10:55am:
Gnads wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 10:14am:

That would explain a lot because regardless of where they live they are Muslim only and Islam comes before everything....... including your own children. Roll Eyes



Why would you assume 'Islam' and 'your children' are mutually exclusive?

To an actual muslim, that idea would be simply absurd.




gandalf,

You are a moslem, a follower of ISLAM,
and you know, that your proposition and argument above, is false.

Shame on you.



[  do you want me to prove it ?  ]


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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
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Reply #64 - May 17th, 2019 at 11:07am
 
Yadda wrote on May 17th, 2019 at 10:40am:
greggerypeccary wrote on May 17th, 2019 at 10:11am:
aquascoot wrote on May 17th, 2019 at 9:57am:

so no one was ever inspired to do bad things by "the book".

just bad people  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Good people don't kill.


Apologist.




So the allied armies who liberated Europe, were bad people,    ...in your opinion.

Many of the soldiers in the allied armies in WWII, killed people    [...and not a few of them, died themselves].



WWW search....
The Longest Day


Good movie.
....though some of it is difficult to watch.








Apologist.

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Reply #65 - May 17th, 2019 at 11:08am
 
aquascoot wrote on May 17th, 2019 at 10:25am:
greggerypeccary wrote on May 17th, 2019 at 10:11am:
aquascoot wrote on May 17th, 2019 at 9:57am:
so no one was ever inspired to do bad things by "the book".

just bad people  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Good people don't kill.

Apologist.



no, but ideologically possessed people do.

if your ideology revolves around believing in the planet xenu....no problem.
if your ideology revolves arounf paradise for martyrdom...problem .

and good people (or at least average people) can fall prey to ideological possession.

was every german a bad person in 1933,
did the ideology have nothing to do with it  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Excuses, excuses, excuses.

When will you stop being an apologist for mass murderers?

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