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Reply #30 - May 13th, 2019 at 9:01pm
 
cods wrote on May 13th, 2019 at 8:49pm:
Dnarever wrote on May 13th, 2019 at 8:34pm:
Frank wrote on May 13th, 2019 at 6:14pm:
News Corp supported Whitlam in 1972 and Rudd in 2007.



Only at the point where it would have damaged their credibility to not support them. The Liberals they opposed were on the nose.

It is worth noting that in both cases they well and truly made up for it with the same type of ongoing relentless criticism right through their terms in office.

News were relentless against Rudd and Gillard, they managed to create most of the perceived disharmony with their fake news eventually driving misguided leadership changes to try and stop it.



what a load of bull shite... what have we listened too for the past 6 years......and who started the leadership assassinations thats right the very bloke   your voting in..

pointing  fingers dna... you do it all the time.. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes..

it just reminds us what your mob did...


What exactly do you have a problem with it is a fact that Labor disharmony was driven by the day to day never ending media barrage eventually members of the party had to do something to try and address what was happening. The actions were misguided but the feeling was that something had to be done.

There is a level beyond what you claim which is also an incorrect over simplistic view. The internal party actions were driven by a need to change something. The right wing propaganda machine was killing them.
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Reply #31 - May 13th, 2019 at 9:08pm
 
I don't think people understand that News Corp paers are the only ones available in 3 states.

It is a captive audience.
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Reply #32 - May 13th, 2019 at 10:16pm
 
Dnarever wrote on May 13th, 2019 at 9:01pm:
cods wrote on May 13th, 2019 at 8:49pm:
Dnarever wrote on May 13th, 2019 at 8:34pm:
Frank wrote on May 13th, 2019 at 6:14pm:
News Corp supported Whitlam in 1972 and Rudd in 2007.



Only at the point where it would have damaged their credibility to not support them. The Liberals they opposed were on the nose.

It is worth noting that in both cases they well and truly made up for it with the same type of ongoing relentless criticism right through their terms in office.

News were relentless against Rudd and Gillard, they managed to create most of the perceived disharmony with their fake news eventually driving misguided leadership changes to try and stop it.



what a load of bull shite... what have we listened too for the past 6 years......and who started the leadership assassinations thats right the very bloke   your voting in..

pointing  fingers dna... you do it all the time.. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes..

it just reminds us what your mob did...


What exactly do you have a problem with it is a fact that Labor disharmony was driven by the day to day never ending media barrage eventually members of the party had to do something to try and address what was happening. The actions were misguided but the feeling was that something had to be done.

There is a level beyond what you claim which is also an incorrect over simplistic view. The internal party actions were driven by a need to change something. The right wing propaganda machine was killing them.


of course !!!!.. Roll Eyes




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Reply #33 - May 14th, 2019 at 5:47am
 
Never paid for a paper ever,  except the old trading post. I laugh at the old buggers on site reading their propaganda spread. Soak it up stupid,  soak it up.

Gee it takes a while for the penny to drop for some doesn't it?
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Reply #34 - May 14th, 2019 at 6:23am
 
however biased print media is, it is nowhere as much an echo chamber as news sourced online.

70 % of people now get the majority of their news on facebook, google or twitter.

these companies exist ONLY to keep you on their sites as long as possible to monetise your viewing.

2 things gaurantee eyeballs.

1  people like reading stories they agree with.  you like a story by get up or you like a picture of jesus and they instantly have you profiled. they actual understand you better then you understand yourself. the machine learning that they do cant really be understood by humans.  so they will just feed you a constant stream of stuff to make you feel good about your beliefs because people like to feel good and they will stick around.

2  people have an inbuilt evolutionary behaviour to seek out danger and to engage with that. if there is a snake in the room or a fire started in the corner, you cant ignore that.
so these media companies also know that to feed you a constant flow of things to outrage you will keep your eyeballs on their site. again machine learning is so crazy that, for instance, they might know from google maps that you just had a 2 hour commute home due to traffic congestion. and the machine knows that feeding you stories about rising immigration or a new development in your area or rising petrol prices is going to push all your buttons and they will hit you with that.
or they might know that your car was just parked outside a weight watchers and the facial recognition might pick up that you are more carb bloated in the face and they will hit you with ads for make up or even more cynically stories on fat shaming or whatever.  rupert could never put you into such a loop, but once you go online, you are being manipulated and fed BS just to keep you there and the machine algorythms do not give a bugger*ck about whether you are staying because you are being pandered to or you are staying because you are being fed stuff to make you angry.

even Oz Pol is a microcosm of this.

Freediver doesnt care if the info is good or legit, if some BS topic gets 10,000 views and its just back and forth outrage ,what does the site care. there is no learning, or knowledge exchange, just emotions . Cry Cheesy Cry Grin

a newspaper is there for you to vibe with the emotions you like to feel, both positive and negative.
if you want information, i would suggest you look elsewhere
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Re: The tide is turning for Rupert
Reply #35 - May 14th, 2019 at 6:47am
 
aquascoot wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 6:23am:
however biased print media is, it is nowhere as much an echo chamber as news sourced online.

70 % of people now get the majority of their news on facebook, google or twitter.

these companies exist ONLY to keep you on their sites as long as possible to monetise your viewing.

2 things gaurantee eyeballs.

1  people like reading stories they agree with.  you like a story by get up or you like a picture of jesus and they instantly have you profiled. they actual understand you better then you understand yourself. the machine learning that they do cant really be understood by humans.  so they will just feed you a constant stream of stuff to make you feel good about your beliefs because people like to feel good and they will stick around.

2  people have an inbuilt evolutionary behaviour to seek out danger and to engage with that. if there is a snake in the room or a fire started in the corner, you cant ignore that.
so these media companies also know that to feed you a constant flow of things to outrage you will keep your eyeballs on their site. again machine learning is so crazy that, for instance, they might know from google maps that you just had a 2 hour commute home due to traffic congestion. and the machine knows that feeding you stories about rising immigration or a new development in your area or rising petrol prices is going to push all your buttons and they will hit you with that.
or they might know that your car was just parked outside a weight watchers and the facial recognition might pick up that you are more carb bloated in the face and they will hit you with ads for make up or even more cynically stories on fat shaming or whatever.  rupert could never put you into such a loop, but once you go online, you are being manipulated and fed BS just to keep you there and the machine algorythms do not give a bugger*ck about whether you are staying because you are being pandered to or you are staying because you are being fed stuff to make you angry.

even Oz Pol is a microcosm of this.

Freediver doesnt care if the info is good or legit, if some BS topic gets 10,000 views and its just bakc and forth outrage ,what does the site care.

a newspaper is there for you to vibe with the emotions you like to feel positive and negative.
if you want information, i would suggest you look elsewhere




Why do people "need to know"? Mind your own business.
Like a car crash. All the goons slowing down to take a peek. Busy bodies. Nosey fkkers. Pull over,  go poke your nose inside the crashed car and have a look.... otherwise keep your eyes forward and accelerate. Actually better still,  become an ambo. Then you'll get to see it all.

I have none of those sites you mention above. In fact I don't even look for news. It is only a reporters, or organisations opinion anyway. I can form an opinion without reading someone else's. Besides,  I could bot care less what Donald trump said,  or that harries kid is a fake,  or that a cat found its way home after a night on the town.


That is where the papers win. They know most humans can't help but look and read an article....even if it does not effect them directly. They'll then talk about it with others and so forth.


Burn the paper,  turn off the TV and live your own life. If we all did this then Murdoch and all his cronies would be on welfare.
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Reply #36 - May 14th, 2019 at 7:26am
 
Captain Caveman wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 6:47am:
aquascoot wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 6:23am:
however biased print media is, it is nowhere as much an echo chamber as news sourced online.

70 % of people now get the majority of their news on facebook, google or twitter.

these companies exist ONLY to keep you on their sites as long as possible to monetise your viewing.

2 things gaurantee eyeballs.

1  people like reading stories they agree with.  you like a story by get up or you like a picture of jesus and they instantly have you profiled. they actual understand you better then you understand yourself. the machine learning that they do cant really be understood by humans.  so they will just feed you a constant stream of stuff to make you feel good about your beliefs because people like to feel good and they will stick around.

2  people have an inbuilt evolutionary behaviour to seek out danger and to engage with that. if there is a snake in the room or a fire started in the corner, you cant ignore that.
so these media companies also know that to feed you a constant flow of things to outrage you will keep your eyeballs on their site. again machine learning is so crazy that, for instance, they might know from google maps that you just had a 2 hour commute home due to traffic congestion. and the machine knows that feeding you stories about rising immigration or a new development in your area or rising petrol prices is going to push all your buttons and they will hit you with that.
or they might know that your car was just parked outside a weight watchers and the facial recognition might pick up that you are more carb bloated in the face and they will hit you with ads for make up or even more cynically stories on fat shaming or whatever.  rupert could never put you into such a loop, but once you go online, you are being manipulated and fed BS just to keep you there and the machine algorythms do not give a bugger*ck about whether you are staying because you are being pandered to or you are staying because you are being fed stuff to make you angry.

even Oz Pol is a microcosm of this.

Freediver doesnt care if the info is good or legit, if some BS topic gets 10,000 views and its just bakc and forth outrage ,what does the site care.

a newspaper is there for you to vibe with the emotions you like to feel positive and negative.
if you want information, i would suggest you look elsewhere




Why do people "need to know"? Mind your own business.
Like a car crash. All the goons slowing down to take a peek. Busy bodies. Nosey fkkers. Pull over,  go poke your nose inside the crashed car and have a look.... otherwise keep your eyes forward and accelerate. Actually better still,  become an ambo. Then you'll get to see it all.

I have none of those sites you mention above. In fact I don't even look for news. It is only a reporters, or organisations opinion anyway. I can form an opinion without reading someone else's. Besides,  I could bot care less what Donald trump said,  or that harries kid is a fake,  or that a cat found its way home after a night on the town.


That is where the papers win. They know most humans can't help but look and read an article....even if it does not effect them directly. They'll then talk about it with others and so forth.


Burn the paper,  turn off the TV and live your own life. If we all did this then Murdoch and all his cronies would be on welfare.





so do you make everything up in your head caveman?

or maybe you do live in a cave?...

how come your on here... isnt the computer the media of the future ?     Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

or do you ignore that small detail?
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Reply #37 - May 14th, 2019 at 7:39am
 
Captain Caveman wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 6:47am:
aquascoot wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 6:23am:
however biased print media is, it is nowhere as much an echo chamber as news sourced online.

70 % of people now get the majority of their news on facebook, google or twitter.

these companies exist ONLY to keep you on their sites as long as possible to monetise your viewing.

2 things gaurantee eyeballs.

1  people like reading stories they agree with.  you like a story by get up or you like a picture of jesus and they instantly have you profiled. they actual understand you better then you understand yourself. the machine learning that they do cant really be understood by humans.  so they will just feed you a constant stream of stuff to make you feel good about your beliefs because people like to feel good and they will stick around.

2  people have an inbuilt evolutionary behaviour to seek out danger and to engage with that. if there is a snake in the room or a fire started in the corner, you cant ignore that.
so these media companies also know that to feed you a constant flow of things to outrage you will keep your eyeballs on their site. again machine learning is so crazy that, for instance, they might know from google maps that you just had a 2 hour commute home due to traffic congestion. and the machine knows that feeding you stories about rising immigration or a new development in your area or rising petrol prices is going to push all your buttons and they will hit you with that.
or they might know that your car was just parked outside a weight watchers and the facial recognition might pick up that you are more carb bloated in the face and they will hit you with ads for make up or even more cynically stories on fat shaming or whatever.  rupert could never put you into such a loop, but once you go online, you are being manipulated and fed BS just to keep you there and the machine algorythms do not give a bugger*ck about whether you are staying because you are being pandered to or you are staying because you are being fed stuff to make you angry.

even Oz Pol is a microcosm of this.

Freediver doesnt care if the info is good or legit, if some BS topic gets 10,000 views and its just bakc and forth outrage ,what does the site care.

a newspaper is there for you to vibe with the emotions you like to feel positive and negative.
if you want information, i would suggest you look elsewhere




Why do people "need to know"? Mind your own business.
Like a car crash. All the goons slowing down to take a peek. Busy bodies. Nosey fkkers. Pull over,  go poke your nose inside the crashed car and have a look.... otherwise keep your eyes forward and accelerate. Actually better still,  become an ambo. Then you'll get to see it all.

I have none of those sites you mention above. In fact I don't even look for news. It is only a reporters, or organisations opinion anyway. I can form an opinion without reading someone else's. Besides,  I could bot care less what Donald trump said,  or that harries kid is a fake,  or that a cat found its way home after a night on the town.


That is where the papers win. They know most humans can't help but look and read an article....even if it does not effect them directly. They'll then talk about it with others and so forth.


Burn the paper,  turn off the TV and live your own life. If we all did this then Murdoch and all his cronies would be on welfare.



captain,

good reply.

the future will belong to people who can maintain focus and be creative.

everything being done with millenials will make this harder for them.

the lack of focus from staring at a phone screen , the overstimulation from the high frequency of technology is frying the brain.
i was appalled when gillard said every child at day care needed access to an ipad as an instrument of learning.
it is an instrument of destroying the neural network.

learn to work the soil, read a long autobiography and stay off the stimulants.

thats gaming, instagram, facebook, pokies, porn, smokes, grog, drugs, sugar fat .

go for a long walk and listen to podcasts from smart people like steven covey , joe rogan, sam harris and richard dawkins or listen to audiobooks , learn to meditate and hit the gym  Wink
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Reply #38 - May 14th, 2019 at 8:32am
 
aquascoot wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 7:39am:
Captain Caveman wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 6:47am:
aquascoot wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 6:23am:
however biased print media is, it is nowhere as much an echo chamber as news sourced online.

70 % of people now get the majority of their news on facebook, google or twitter.

these companies exist ONLY to keep you on their sites as long as possible to monetise your viewing.

2 things gaurantee eyeballs.

1  people like reading stories they agree with.  you like a story by get up or you like a picture of jesus and they instantly have you profiled. they actual understand you better then you understand yourself. the machine learning that they do cant really be understood by humans.  so they will just feed you a constant stream of stuff to make you feel good about your beliefs because people like to feel good and they will stick around.

2  people have an inbuilt evolutionary behaviour to seek out danger and to engage with that. if there is a snake in the room or a fire started in the corner, you cant ignore that.
so these media companies also know that to feed you a constant flow of things to outrage you will keep your eyeballs on their site. again machine learning is so crazy that, for instance, they might know from google maps that you just had a 2 hour commute home due to traffic congestion. and the machine knows that feeding you stories about rising immigration or a new development in your area or rising petrol prices is going to push all your buttons and they will hit you with that.
or they might know that your car was just parked outside a weight watchers and the facial recognition might pick up that you are more carb bloated in the face and they will hit you with ads for make up or even more cynically stories on fat shaming or whatever.  rupert could never put you into such a loop, but once you go online, you are being manipulated and fed BS just to keep you there and the machine algorythms do not give a bugger*ck about whether you are staying because you are being pandered to or you are staying because you are being fed stuff to make you angry.

even Oz Pol is a microcosm of this.

Freediver doesnt care if the info is good or legit, if some BS topic gets 10,000 views and its just bakc and forth outrage ,what does the site care.

a newspaper is there for you to vibe with the emotions you like to feel positive and negative.
if you want information, i would suggest you look elsewhere




Why do people "need to know"? Mind your own business.
Like a car crash. All the goons slowing down to take a peek. Busy bodies. Nosey fkkers. Pull over,  go poke your nose inside the crashed car and have a look.... otherwise keep your eyes forward and accelerate. Actually better still,  become an ambo. Then you'll get to see it all.

I have none of those sites you mention above. In fact I don't even look for news. It is only a reporters, or organisations opinion anyway. I can form an opinion without reading someone else's. Besides,  I could bot care less what Donald trump said,  or that harries kid is a fake,  or that a cat found its way home after a night on the town.


That is where the papers win. They know most humans can't help but look and read an article....even if it does not effect them directly. They'll then talk about it with others and so forth.


Burn the paper,  turn off the TV and live your own life. If we all did this then Murdoch and all his cronies would be on welfare.



captain,

good reply.

the future will belong to people who can maintain focus and be creative.

everything being done with millenials will make this harder for them.

the lack of focus from staring at a phone screen , the overstimulation from the high frequency of technology is frying the brain.
i was appalled when gillard said every child at day care needed access to an ipad as an instrument of learning.
it is an instrument of destroying the neural network.

learn to work the soil, read a long autobiography and stay off the stimulants.

thats gaming, instagram, facebook, pokies, porn, smokes, grog, drugs, sugar fat .

go for a long walk and listen to podcasts from smart people like steven covey , joe rogan, sam harris and richard dawkins or listen to audiobooks , learn to meditate and hit the gym  Wink



and you have just printed up ISIS propaganda for the mindless to be brainwashed with..

what a hypocrite you are aqua Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #39 - May 14th, 2019 at 8:44am
 
um,  that was put there as a cautionary tale Roll Eyes Roll Eyes.

now now cods, you do so like to create drama and try to suck people into little fights which is exactly what i was saying is what the site owners want to see happen.

facebook and ozpol love people who pick fights because they dont care if the meeting is just a lot of people screaming at each other. they just dont want you to leave the meeting.

but aquascoot is on the narrow road to success, so i must leave this meeting now  Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #40 - May 14th, 2019 at 8:45am
 
aquascoot wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 8:44am:
um,  that was put there as a cautionary tale Roll Eyes Roll Eyes.

now now cods, you do so like to create drama and try to suck people into little fights which is exactly what i was saying is what the site owners want to see happen.

facebook and ozpol love people who pick fights because they dont care if the meeting is just a lot of people screaming at each other. they just dont want you to leave the meeting.

but aquascoot is on the narrow road to success, so i must leave this meeting now  Grin Grin Grin Grin



yes you have unloaded your waffle for the day..

have a nice day
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Reply #41 - May 14th, 2019 at 8:56am
 
Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

freediver will not be happen that the interaction has been terminated
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Reply #42 - May 14th, 2019 at 9:12am
 
cods wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 8:45am:
aquascoot wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 8:44am:
um,  that was put there as a cautionary tale Roll Eyes Roll Eyes.

now now cods, you do so like to create drama and try to suck people into little fights which is exactly what i was saying is what the site owners want to see happen.

facebook and ozpol love people who pick fights because they dont care if the meeting is just a lot of people screaming at each other. they just dont want you to leave the meeting.

but aquascoot is on the narrow road to success, so i must leave this meeting now  Grin Grin Grin Grin



yes you have unloaded your waffle for the day..

have a nice day


I try not to read him these days, but would tend to agree from past experience!
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Reply #43 - May 14th, 2019 at 10:04am
 
What I see as the ultimate hypocrisy in the Labor ranks is the reverence they hold some of their former PMs, like Paul Keating e.g. As stated in the article he was the one who opened up the opportunity for Murdock to have a monopoly in news paper media. Keating was even on the ABC a few mins ago comparing the Shorten team to the team that saw Bob Hawke take govt in his first term. That's a joke.

Not to forget that he later on went on to whinge about wanting his turn and forced Hawke to stand down.

I found that the appearance of him with Gillard and Rudd to be very superficial i.e. awkward.

Go back further to Gough Whitlam.... a kowtower to Indonesia from way before his Prime Ministership...... he had a hand in the Indonesian takeover in West Papua and the consequent 55 year genocide of West Papuans at the hands of Indonesian troops and Police.

And that doesn't let successive Australian govts both Liberal and Labor off the hook for allowing its continuance because of multi national resource business interests.

In comparison the LNP has had its own revolving leadership and Prime Minister backstabbing changes.

Was the Murdoch media behind that?

Both majors are on the nose with a side stink of Greens.
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Reply #44 - May 14th, 2019 at 10:21am
 
Frank wrote on May 13th, 2019 at 6:06pm:
John Smith wrote on May 13th, 2019 at 5:35pm:
No one really thinks newscorp is anything other than the propaganda arm of the liberal party, do they?

I don't know why is is allowed to get away with lie after lie ... he should have been shut down ages ago

Phillip Adams has been writing for it for decades.  Peter van Onselen for years.


The Australian is in fact the best newspaper in Australia, far more balanced and centrist than the ABC or Fairfax - neither of which has a single right of centre regular contributor.


There is no 'Murdoch' interference -none of the editors of any of the News Corp papers would stand for it.  It's a conspiracy myth lefties always propagate about anyone and anything that doesn't side with their Bolshevik agit prop.

The title of this laughable piece is instructive.

Mounting evidence the tide is turning on News Corp, and its owner

There is no tide and there is no turning. And certainly no evidence.
Shorten said no to meeting Murdoch during the election campaign IF he was in America (which, of course he will not be during the campaign). And .... er... that's it.


And this from a senior researcher at a university journalism school. Ho ridiculous can you get???




Oh, old boy, you didn't read it either:

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As if to confirm the bias they spoke of, the lead headline on page 12 of The Weekend Australian on May 11-12 contained this magnificent Freudian slip: “Hypocritical” ALP must back our tax package. Our tax package? The story was about Scott Morrison claiming a mandate for the Coalition’s $158 billion tax package.
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