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Re: Indonesia - a threat to Darwin?
Reply #15 - May 22^nd, 2019 at 2:38am

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 21^st, 2019 at 12:50pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on May 20^th, 2019 at 3:30pm:

Indonesia could invade Darwin with its army and navy. If we had a prime minister like Kevin Rudd, he would surrender the whole country in a matter of a minute. It is not what the country would do to defend itself. It is what the politicians, most of whom were brought up in very privileged upbringings, who would decide if we were to be ruled under a foreign power. Politicians are in it for a good time, not a long time. They see as far as retirement.

we don't have a prime minister like rudd and he hasn't been in politics for awhile, are you thinking of a polly now that reminds you of rudd your worried about ?
Or are you just saying... Wink

Well, upon second thought, I guess I can't keep my Rudd bashing to a minimum, these days. That guy pisses me off beyond all reasoning. Scomo is teetering on the side of insanity, too. But I could tolerate him better than Shorten.

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Reply #16 - May 22^nd, 2019 at 2:54am

Brian Ross wrote on May 21^st, 2019 at 5:03pm:

Gordon wrote on May 21^st, 2019 at 12:13pm:

Agree 100% with Brian here but there are two threats Indonesia poses to Nth Australia

1/ Sea born rubbish washing up on our shores
2/ A staging point for illegals

1. If we help them, we will see the sea borne rubbish decrease.

2. If we pay them sufficiently, we won't see human traffickers get a start again in Indonesian territory.

I have seen a video of Bali waters strewn with plastic rubbish and other discarded items. I would be certain that the waste is from decades of build up. But seriously, I don't see a reason why Australia should help clean up Indonesian waters. Indonesia should have their fishermen do general clean ups. Hopefully, they have a Clean Up Indonesia Day, like there are clean up days internationally. But, they should be working on their mess in Indonesia thoroughly to avoid losing their fishing industry.

And if we start paying Indonesia to not send human traffickers our way, what do you think we are doing? The answer is bribing a nation to do what they should have been preventing happen, in the first place. Here's a defence issue: If Australians don't pay Indonesia to do their job, it is not far-fetched an idea that people smugglers won't get as much business transporting people to Australia. Transitionary migrants will get caught up in Indonesia with authorities forced to crack down on illegal migrants. If Indonesia wants to get, they have to first give.

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Re: Indonesia - a threat to Darwin?
Reply #17 - May 22^nd, 2019 at 7:26am

UnSubRocky wrote on May 22^nd, 2019 at 2:54am:

Brian Ross wrote on May 21^st, 2019 at 5:03pm:

Gordon wrote on May 21^st, 2019 at 12:13pm:

Agree 100% with Brian here but there are two threats Indonesia poses to Nth Australia

1/ Sea born rubbish washing up on our shores
2/ A staging point for illegals

1. If we help them, we will see the sea borne rubbish decrease.

2. If we pay them sufficiently, we won't see human traffickers get a start again in Indonesian territory.

I have seen a video of Bali waters strewn with plastic rubbish and other discarded items. I would be certain that the waste is from decades of build up. But seriously, I don't see a reason why Australia should help clean up Indonesian waters. Indonesia should have their fishermen do general clean ups. Hopefully, they have a Clean Up Indonesia Day, like there are clean up days internationally. But, they should be working on their mess in Indonesia thoroughly to avoid losing their fishing industry.

And if we start paying Indonesia to not send human traffickers our way, what do you think we are doing? The answer is bribing a nation to do what they should have been preventing happen, in the first place. Here's a defence issue: If Australians don't pay Indonesia to do their job, it is not far-fetched an idea that people smugglers won't get as much business transporting people to Australia. Transitionary migrants will get caught up in Indonesia with authorities forced to crack down on illegal migrants. If Indonesia wants to get, they have to first give.

Australia give them a lot of aid every year, couldn't we just lessen that aid if a boat is found from Indonesia by a few million... That should solve the problem. Wink

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Re: Indonesia - a threat to Darwin?
Reply #18 - May 22^nd, 2019 at 3:24pm

UnSubRocky wrote on May 22^nd, 2019 at 2:32am:

Brian Ross wrote on May 21^st, 2019 at 11:01am:

You're straying away from the issues of Defence and Foreign Policy into domestic politics, UnSub.

Rudd had many failings but he still managed to become PM twice. Which is better than most Australians manage at all. He knew which side his bread was buttered on and would not surrender in the way you believe. As far as religion is concerned, it should be kept right away from politics - a lesson that ScoMo is yet to learn. Roll Eyes

Now, nothing else to say on Defence and Foreign Policy?

Excuse me. I was not the one to start this topic using a copy and paste quote that I wrote about something in a different context. Unfortunately, I can't remember the forum topic to show you want I mean. But, I can tell you that the issue was having weak leadership in politics. We are not tough when we get Rudd. Rudd is our latest puppet of the USA.

I thought most conspiranuts believed Rudd was a Chinese puppet?

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And as far as I can concern myself regarding the defence of Australia, we both can be in agreement that Indonesia poses no long-term military threat to Australia. It does not, however, mean that Indonesia can't be a threat to Australia, off the record, to whatever an Indonesia government wants done to us. Whether that is a quarantine issue, or a security threat, it does not matter.

Indonesia can become a threat I agree but not for at least another 10-15 years at the earliest from a military perspective. As far as quarantine is concerned, Indonesia has always been a threat but that really lies outside the scope of this forum.

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Re: Indonesia - a threat to Darwin?
Reply #19 - May 22^nd, 2019 at 3:41pm

UnSubRocky wrote on May 22^nd, 2019 at 2:54am:

Brian Ross wrote on May 21^st, 2019 at 5:03pm:

Gordon wrote on May 21^st, 2019 at 12:13pm:

Agree 100% with Brian here but there are two threats Indonesia poses to Nth Australia

1/ Sea born rubbish washing up on our shores
2/ A staging point for illegals

1. If we help them, we will see the sea borne rubbish decrease.

2. If we pay them sufficiently, we won't see human traffickers get a start again in Indonesian territory.

I have seen a video of Bali waters strewn with plastic rubbish and other discarded items. I would be certain that the waste is from decades of build up. But seriously, I don't see a reason why Australia should help clean up Indonesian waters. Indonesia should have their fishermen do general clean ups. Hopefully, they have a Clean Up Indonesia Day, like there are clean up days internationally. But, they should be working on their mess in Indonesia thoroughly to avoid losing their fishing industry.

Perhaps Indonesia needs help to understand the problem? Why should we consider ourselves so aloof from their problems, when their problems infringe on us in a very real way? The world's oceans are all interconnected. Their rubbish has the danger to become our rubbish as well.

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And if we start paying Indonesia to not send human traffickers our way, what do you think we are doing? The answer is bribing a nation to do what they should have been preventing happen, in the first place. Here's a defence issue: If Australians don't pay Indonesia to do their job, it is not far-fetched an idea that people smugglers won't get as much business transporting people to Australia. Transitionary migrants will get caught up in Indonesia with authorities forced to crack down on illegal migrants. If Indonesia wants to get, they have to first give.

Indonesia is paid to basically police the human traffickers problem. It is to our advantage to do so. It is much easier and cheaper to prevent the transport of Asylum Seekers at their source than their destination. Something Europe is discovering in Libya.

Indonesia has a unique problem. They don't impose visas on Muslims from Muslim countries. That is why Asylum Seekers stage from there to reach Australia. Since approximately 2007, the Indonesians have learnt the problems of doing that. They have several hundred thousand Asylum Seekers stranded inside their borders. Not being a signatory to the UN Convention makes their position perilous. They are subject to arbitrary arrest, deportation and are unable to legally work, be educated or access health care.

However, again you are straying outside the remit of this forum, UnSub. These are Indonesian domestic problems rather than Australian Defence or Foreign Affairs problems.

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Captain Nemo Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 8430 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Indonesia - a threat to Darwin? Reply #20 - May 23^rd, 2019 at 11:49am Don't worry, the port of Darwin is owned by the Chinese, all will be fine.
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UnSubRocky Gold Member Offline Australian Legend Posts: 21726 Rockhampton, Q Gender:	Re: Indonesia - a threat to Darwin? Reply #21 - May 23^rd, 2019 at 9:48pm Brian Ross wrote on May 22^nd, 2019 at 3:24pm: I thought most conspiranuts believed Rudd was a Chinese puppet? Good thing I am not a "conspiranut".
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UnSubRocky Gold Member Offline Australian Legend Posts: 21726 Rockhampton, Q Gender:	Re: Indonesia - a threat to Darwin? Reply #22 - May 23^rd, 2019 at 9:51pm The most we can do is to clean up the rubbish floating around the oceans inside Australia's maritime boundaries. Whatever the cost, we need to start funding plastic recycling more than we do. And offloading recycling to other countries is not something we should strategize.
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Re: Indonesia - a threat to Darwin?
Reply #23 - May 23^rd, 2019 at 11:19pm

UnSubRocky wrote on May 23^rd, 2019 at 9:51pm:

The most we can do is to clean up the rubbish floating around the oceans inside Australia's maritime boundaries. Whatever the cost, we need to start funding plastic recycling more than we do. And offloading recycling to other countries is not something we should strategize.

Again, something that is outside this forum's purpose. I suggest you make a thread in the Environment forum, UnSub.

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Brian Ross Moderator Offline Representative of me Posts: 39532	Re: Indonesia - a threat to Darwin? Reply #24 - May 23^rd, 2019 at 11:19pm UnSubRocky wrote on May 23^rd, 2019 at 9:48pm: Brian Ross wrote on May 22^nd, 2019 at 3:24pm: I thought most conspiranuts believed Rudd was a Chinese puppet? Good thing I am not a "conspiranut". You may claim that...
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Reply #25 - May 23^rd, 2019 at 11:36pm

How Indonesia can successfully Australia.

Step 1: Australia pisses off every major and medium superpower in the world.

Step 2: Indonesia offers to take over the country and work for 1/5th the cost it takes for Australia to do the same work. And be able to set up sweat shop industries suitably expanded into the Australian region.

Step 3: Superpowers accept Indonesia's proposal.

Step 4: Christian conservatives re-elect Kevin Rudd back into power weeks before the invasion starts. Christian conservatives (the 1%ers) believe Rudd's promise of the resurrection of the Messiah.

Step 5: The general Australian public are too busy being distracted by reality television to be concerned about the invasion. The next day, it is too late to do much about it. Surrender is widespread.

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Re: Indonesia - a threat to Darwin?
Reply #26 - May 23^rd, 2019 at 11:37pm

UnSubRocky wrote on May 23^rd, 2019 at 9:48pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 22^nd, 2019 at 3:24pm:

I thought most conspiranuts believed Rudd was a Chinese puppet?

Good thing I am not a "conspiranut".

Didn't you love that rant by Rudd about the Chinese?

Always the diplomat ... I think Kevvie is particularly popular with the Chinese ...

Mr Rudd remarked to a group of journalists and aides during the December 2009 summit that: "Those Chinese f**kers are trying to rat-f**k us."

The angry tirade reportedly came after tense negotiations with the Chinese, who are one of Australia's most important trading partners, over a binding agreement on reducing carbon emissions.

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