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May 7th, 2019 at 10:20pm
 
Aboriginal people – how we misunderstood their science

Just one generation ago Australian schoolkids were taught that Aboriginal people couldn't count beyond five, wandered the desert scavenging for food, had no civilisation, couldn't navigate and peacefully acquiesced when Western Civilisation rescued them in 1788. How did we get it so wrong? Australian historian Bill Gammage and others have shown that for many years land was carefully managed by Aboriginal people to maximise productivity. This resulted in fantastically fertile soils, now exploited and almost destroyed by intensive agriculture. In some cases, Aboriginal people had sophisticated number systems, knew bush medicine, and navigated using stars and oral maps to support flourishing trade routes across the country. They mounted fierce resistance to the British invaders, and sometimes won significant military victories such as the raids by Aboriginal warrior Pemulwuy. Only now, as reported in The Conversation, are we starting to understand Aboriginal intellectual and scientific achievements. Some Aboriginal people had figured out how eclipses work, and knew how the planets moved differently from the stars. They used this knowledge to regulate the cycles of travel from one place to another.
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Reply #1 - May 7th, 2019 at 10:22pm
 
The Book 'Dark Emu' just out, also supports Gammage.
Agriculture was a big thing with Aboriginal Culture.

The British Penal Colony would have failed, if it wasn't for the Whaling Vessels. British colonisation here is a flawed existence of stupidity and the Australia that still harks to it.
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Reply #2 - May 7th, 2019 at 10:44pm
 
Jasin wrote on May 7th, 2019 at 10:22pm:
The Book 'Dark Emu' just out, also supports Gammage.
Agriculture was a big thing with Aboriginal Culture.

The British Penal Colony would have failed, if it wasn't for the Whaling Vessels. British colonisation here is a flawed existence of stupidity and the Australia that still harks to it.


Stupidity has been adopted as Australian 'culture' in the absence of anything less stupid.
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Reply #3 - May 7th, 2019 at 11:01pm
 
Excuse me, they invented a stick.

Scientific, innit.
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Reply #4 - May 8th, 2019 at 12:39am
 
Yes - they had a thriving scientific culture and peerless medicine long before the Wharte Man came along and destroyed the whole thing.... out there, if you look closely, you can see where the ancient temples and pyramids are buried beneath farmland now - and some of those were observatories  and even nuclear reactors that kept the Koori population warm and well-lit in the darkest winter....

Captain Cook arrived here with primitive European science and tore the whole lot down as being superstitious nonsense.... it's a very well hidden part of Australian memory history..... so well hidden that no wharte man has ever seen any of it first hand.....
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Reply #5 - May 8th, 2019 at 5:20am
 
Several years ago, a British team of archeologists digging found some evidence of copper wire buried beneath the ground at a depth of approximately 4 feet.

They concluded that this was evidence of a earlier British society with telecommunication as early as the 1600s.

Not to be outdone, the Swedish dug deeper, and also found evidence of copper deposited at a depth of 8 feet.

They concluded that this was evidence of an even earlier CIVILIZATION with telecommunication before the 1200s.


The Australian sycophantic archeologists drug even deeper 25 feet and found absolutely nothing.

They concluded that Australian aboriginals were so advanced that they had wireless communications from the start.



People, making shite up in order to make a silk purse out of a sows ear is not new.

Aboriginals were PRE-STONEAGE when we found them.
They had no written language
They had no architectural skill
They had no stone age weapons, even lashing a rock to a stick was beyond them.
They had no agricultural ability
The only animals they kept were dingos.

Even the simple skill of starting fire was beyond them, they carried embers wrapped in paperback.

This bullshite we are expected to believe about being great thinkers, great land keepers, wonderful people who were perfect before invasion is simply BULL SHITE.

They were primitives, brutal and disjointed.

And all the crap that is thought up by these sycophants does nothing but make them look even worse.

Evidence of having no evidence is bull shite.
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Reply #6 - May 8th, 2019 at 7:49am
 
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Just one generation ago Australian schoolkids were taught that Aboriginal people couldn't count beyond five

When was this?
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Reply #7 - May 8th, 2019 at 8:12am
 
Valkie wrote on May 8th, 2019 at 5:20am:
Several years ago, a British team of archeologists digging found some evidence of copper wire buried beneath the ground at a depth of approximately 4 feet.

They concluded that this was evidence of a earlier British society with telecommunication as early as the 1600s.

Not to be outdone, the Swedish dug deeper, and also found evidence of copper deposited at a depth of 8 feet.

They concluded that this was evidence of an even earlier CIVILIZATION with telecommunication before the 1200s.


The Australian sycophantic archeologists drug even deeper 25 feet and found absolutely nothing.

They concluded that Australian aboriginals were so advanced that they had wireless communications from the start.



People, making shite up in order to make a silk purse out of a sows ear is not new.

Aboriginals were PRE-STONEAGE when we found them.
They had no written language
They had no architectural skill
They had no stone age weapons, even lashing a rock to a stick was beyond them.
They had no agricultural ability
The only animals they kept were dingos.

Even the simple skill of starting fire was beyond them, they carried embers wrapped in paperback.

This bullshite we are expected to believe about being great thinkers, great land keepers, wonderful people who were perfect before invasion is simply BULL SHITE.

They were primitives, brutal and disjointed.

And all the crap that is thought up by these sycophants does nothing but make them look even worse.

Evidence of having no evidence is bull shite.



Hehehe. 
Scientific neanderthals. Could be a new band.


There is a new era of history writers coming through that are trying the old "if it is said enough then it will be true".
Science is how you get the wheels rolling.......but ya gotta have wheels to start with.  Wink
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Reply #8 - May 8th, 2019 at 9:20am
 
Just a new aboriginal industry, that of claiming exceptionalism.

There are two views of aboriginals, the romantic twaddle of the luvvies who see them as bush fairies and conservators of the land with some sort of special spiritual resonance with country  and the pragmatic reality that they are a tribal people no different to any others around the world.

Tribal people have always, everywhere, looked to the skies for cues to seasons, the worlds natural ebb and flow of resources, when fish and flowers are in, when to plant and when to harvest.  The skies are full of stories and creation myths, again all over the world. Only here with the idiots of the left in the cause of aboriginal exceptionalism it’s claimed as aboriginals discovered astronomy. 

Same with being bush fairies and conservators, constrained by lack of resources because they did not have the means to exploit those resources, ie just sticks and rocks, it’s hard to make a negative impact on a continent, it’s not that they were proto greenies, they just had a small imprint on the land.  When chopping down a tree is a major endeavour you don’t go about clear felling for log cabins, but thats just technology, given the opportunity they would prefer the log cabin to the bark hut because, being people, not exceptional, they recognise and value comfort and ease.

Aquaculture is another claim for aboriginal exceptionalism, again, used throughout the world.

Aboriginals inhabited a stable and eroded continent which means many of the earliest artifacts still survive which then brings forth claims of oldest continuous culture, though of course, Australia was at the end of mans migration out of Africa, people are older and been elsewhere longer  everywhere else.  Kalahari bushmen and PNG tribal would have equal and better claims to an ancient existing culture, but they don’t have boosters who can point to old rocks covered with ochre. 

Aboriginal exceptionalism is a luvvie manifestation of cultural cringe on behalf of aboriginals. Instead of thinking and treating them as different to the rest of humanity they would have been less destructive to recognise them as fellow humans.
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Reply #9 - May 8th, 2019 at 9:34am
 
Secret Wars wrote on May 8th, 2019 at 9:20am:
Just a new aboriginal industry, that of claiming exceptionalism.

There are two views of aboriginals, the romantic twaddle of the luvvies who see them as bush fairies and conservators of the land with some sort of special spiritual resonance with country  and the pragmatic reality that they are a tribal people no different to any others around the world.

Tribal people have always, everywhere, looked to the skies for cues to seasons, the worlds natural ebb and flow of resources, when fish and flowers are in, when to plant and when to harvest.  The skies are full of stories and creation myths, again all over the world. Only here with the idiots of the left in the cause of aboriginal exceptionalism it’s claimed as aboriginals discovered astronomy. 

Same with being bush fairies and conservators, constrained by lack of resources because they did not have the means to exploit those resources, ie just sticks and rocks, it’s hard to make a negative impact on a continent, it’s not that they were proto greenies, they just had a small imprint on the land.  When chopping down a tree is a major endeavour you don’t go about clear felling for log cabins, but thats just technology, given the opportunity they would prefer the log cabin to the bark hut because, being people, not exceptional, they recognise and value comfort and ease.

Aquaculture is another claim for aboriginal exceptionalism, again, used throughout the world.

Aboriginals inhabited a stable and eroded continent which means many of the earliest artifacts still survive which then brings forth claims of oldest continuous culture, though of course, Australia was at the end of mans migration out of Africa, people are older and been elsewhere longer  everywhere else.  Kalahari bushmen and PNG tribal would have equal and better claims to an ancient existing culture, but they don’t have boosters who can point to old rocks covered with ochre. 

Aboriginal exceptionalism is a luvvie manifestation of cultural cringe on behalf of aboriginals. Instead of thinking and treating them as different to the rest of humanity they would have been less destructive to recognise them as fellow humans.       


Well said. We all want the lot of the Aboriginals to improve, and we all recognise they have wants and needs, hopes and desires but trying to evevate their culture to something they simply were not is probably counter-productive.
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Reply #10 - May 8th, 2019 at 3:22pm
 
The outrage when it is suggested that Aboriginal peoples were more than the absolute basic form of life is hilarious.

You just can't make it work with your prejudice, can you? All of these scientific discoveries that speak not of great pyramids, (but behold the derision) but of a level of sophistication and a unique intelligence that fleshes them out a little.

You simply prefer to think of them as little more than animals.

You just refuse to be interested in Aboriginal people. It's astonishing. You learned in school that they were stone age and you will not challenge that ... because then you would have to question yourselves.

And then you'd have to admit for all of the shortcomings of Aboriginals (that you rely on to keep them being less than you), they didn't utterly root this country in just over 200 years. It took us to do that.

Perhaps if you stopped exaggerating all of the claims made by anthropologists, botanists, archaeologists, etc, so as to make it ridiculous and therefore more easy to dismiss, you'd see that nothing outlandish has been claimed. It all makes perfect sense.

You just don't want to challenge your colonial ideas. Fortunately, you are in the minority and the world will move on and leave you behind.
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Reply #11 - May 8th, 2019 at 4:20pm
 
mothra wrote on May 8th, 2019 at 3:22pm:
The outrage when it is suggested that Aboriginal peoples were more than the absolute basic form of life is hilarious.

You just can't make it work with your prejudice, can you? All of these scientific discoveries that speak not of great pyramids, (but behold the derision) but of a level of sophistication and a unique intelligence that fleshes them out a little.

You simply prefer to think of them as little more than animals.

You just refuse to be interested in Aboriginal people. It's astonishing. You learned in school that they were stone age and you will not challenge that ... because then you would have to question yourselves.

And then you'd have to admit for all of the shortcomings of Aboriginals (that you rely on to keep them being less than you), they didn't utterly root this country in just over 200 years. It took us to do that.

Perhaps if you stopped exaggerating all of the claims made by anthropologists, botanists, archaeologists, etc, so as to make it ridiculous and therefore more easy to dismiss, you'd see that nothing outlandish has been claimed. It all makes perfect sense.

You just don't want to challenge your colonial ideas. Fortunately, you are in the minority and the world will move on and leave you behind.


Not at all - I simply prefer to make fun of outlandish claims.....

Big bee in the bonnet again, mothra?
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Reply #12 - May 8th, 2019 at 5:41pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 8th, 2019 at 4:20pm:
mothra wrote on May 8th, 2019 at 3:22pm:
The outrage when it is suggested that Aboriginal peoples were more than the absolute basic form of life is hilarious.

You just can't make it work with your prejudice, can you? All of these scientific discoveries that speak not of great pyramids, (but behold the derision) but of a level of sophistication and a unique intelligence that fleshes them out a little.

You simply prefer to think of them as little more than animals.

You just refuse to be interested in Aboriginal people. It's astonishing. You learned in school that they were stone age and you will not challenge that ... because then you would have to question yourselves.

And then you'd have to admit for all of the shortcomings of Aboriginals (that you rely on to keep them being less than you), they didn't utterly root this country in just over 200 years. It took us to do that.

Perhaps if you stopped exaggerating all of the claims made by anthropologists, botanists, archaeologists, etc, so as to make it ridiculous and therefore more easy to dismiss, you'd see that nothing outlandish has been claimed. It all makes perfect sense.

You just don't want to challenge your colonial ideas. Fortunately, you are in the minority and the world will move on and leave you behind.


Not at all - I simply prefer to make fun of outlandish claims.....

Big bee in the bonnet again, mothra?



Except of course, no outlandish claims have been made. Your impulse is to diminish, dismiss and ridicule.

Just as you are trying to do with me by relegating my commentary to a "bee in my bonnet".
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Reply #13 - May 8th, 2019 at 5:50pm
 
Secret Wars wrote on May 8th, 2019 at 9:20am:
Just a new aboriginal industry, that of claiming exceptionalism.

There are two views of aboriginals, the romantic twaddle of the luvvies who see them as bush fairies and conservators of the land with some sort of special spiritual resonance with country  and the pragmatic reality that they are a tribal people no different to any others around the world.

Tribal people have always, everywhere, looked to the skies for cues to seasons, the worlds natural ebb and flow of resources, when fish and flowers are in, when to plant and when to harvest.  The skies are full of stories and creation myths, again all over the world. Only here with the idiots of the left in the cause of aboriginal exceptionalism it’s claimed as aboriginals discovered astronomy. 

Same with being bush fairies and conservators, constrained by lack of resources because they did not have the means to exploit those resources, ie just sticks and rocks, it’s hard to make a negative impact on a continent, it’s not that they were proto greenies, they just had a small imprint on the land.  When chopping down a tree is a major endeavour you don’t go about clear felling for log cabins, but thats just technology, given the opportunity they would prefer the log cabin to the bark hut because, being people, not exceptional, they recognise and value comfort and ease.

Aquaculture is another claim for aboriginal exceptionalism, again, used throughout the world.

Aboriginals inhabited a stable and eroded continent which means many of the earliest artifacts still survive which then brings forth claims of oldest continuous culture, though of course, Australia was at the end of mans migration out of Africa, people are older and been elsewhere longer  everywhere else.  Kalahari bushmen and PNG tribal would have equal and better claims to an ancient existing culture, but they don’t have boosters who can point to old rocks covered with ochre. 

Aboriginal exceptionalism is a luvvie manifestation of cultural cringe on behalf of aboriginals. Instead of thinking and treating them as different to the rest of humanity they would have been less destructive to recognise them as fellow humans.       



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Reply #14 - May 8th, 2019 at 7:23pm
 
The likes of Bwibwi and Moths post preposterous rubbish like this so when the enviable replies come in, they can look at themselves in the mirror, form their mouths into the shape of a cats bum and reflect on how morally superior they are.
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Reply #15 - May 8th, 2019 at 7:28pm
 
Now now, Mother, they took our rock.

So racist and unfair.
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Reply #16 - May 8th, 2019 at 7:28pm
 
I'm happy to not call Aboriginal culture stone age because of the negative connotations and it's really not meaningful. Hunter gatherers is the perfect description.
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Reply #17 - May 8th, 2019 at 7:31pm
 
Gordon wrote on May 8th, 2019 at 7:23pm:
The likes of Bwibwi and Moths post preposterous rubbish like this so when the enviable replies come in, they can look at themselves in the mirror, form their mouths into the shape of a cats bum and reflect on how morally superior they are. 


Quite the reverse. You refute all claims out hand as "preposterous" to justify your feelings of superiority.
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Reply #18 - May 8th, 2019 at 7:32pm
 
Gordon wrote on May 8th, 2019 at 7:28pm:
I'm happy to not call Aboriginal culture stone age because of the negative connotations and it's really not meaningful. Hunter gatherers is the perfect description.


What did the Canadian Yids invent, Gordon?
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mothra wrote on May 8th, 2019 at 7:31pm:
Gordon wrote on May 8th, 2019 at 7:23pm:
The likes of Bwibwi and Moths post preposterous rubbish like this so when the enviable replies come in, they can look at themselves in the mirror, form their mouths into the shape of a cats bum and reflect on how morally superior they are. 


Quite the reverse. You refute all claims out hand as "preposterous" to justify your feelings of superiority.


Let's wait to hear what Gordon's race invented, Mother.

We Aussies invented the Hills Hoist.

Superior culture, innit.
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Reply #20 - May 8th, 2019 at 7:35pm
 
Mattyfisk wrote on May 8th, 2019 at 7:28pm:
Now now, Mother, they took our rock.

So racist and unfair.


You know, it's possible to care for their future and respect their hopes and dreams while accurately characterising their culture.

Due to isolation and the environment, their culture was the least advanced of any human on the planet.

It is what it is.....
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Reply #21 - May 8th, 2019 at 7:39pm
 
Mattyfisk wrote on May 8th, 2019 at 7:34pm:
mothra wrote on May 8th, 2019 at 7:31pm:
Gordon wrote on May 8th, 2019 at 7:23pm:
The likes of Bwibwi and Moths post preposterous rubbish like this so when the enviable replies come in, they can look at themselves in the mirror, form their mouths into the shape of a cats bum and reflect on how morally superior they are. 


Quite the reverse. You refute all claims out hand as "preposterous" to justify your feelings of superiority.


Let's wait to hear what Gordon's race invented, Mother.

We Aussies invented the Hills Hoist.

Superior culture, innit.


The world is full of treasures of human endeavor.

It's also interesting how the dates of sophisticated civilisations are being pushed way back. Ever heard of Göbekli Tepe?
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Reply #22 - May 8th, 2019 at 7:53pm
 
Westernised Australians haven't really 'invented' anything 'Australian' yet.
Everything they have come up with is 'borrowed or stolen' from other Nations. It relies on foreign 'Multi-Culturalism' for ideas.
Hell, go back much further and Europe relied on borrowing everything from the Middle-East... even Religion and War.
Even through Writing, that was invented in the Middle-East, did Greece come to know 'Law' and Politics, to send it over time and space to North America.

So the Aboriginals may have invented a 'Stick', besides actual Agriculture (the whole land was a Farm) that worked 'with' the Land, not against it and other Innovations of originality.
You might ask then, why did they stop - back there in time, long ago? What was the cause of their 'stagnation' from being the most 'advanced' of all the early Sapien peoples, to the most left behind?
Was it the mass 'SEDATION' of the Eucalyptus 'vapors' that came from the vast forests and bushlands? Here in the most 'poisonous' Region (Sahul) of the world.
Was it the ISOLATION from everyone else - like a Prison cell?
Whatever it was - what was it that made them like that?
They mostly emphasis their existence based upon the 'LAND' - so it is something about the 'Land' that made them the way they became. What was it exactly, that stopped the 'change'? Why did they 'slow' - then, as many of you would make it seem like, as if they actually 'Stopped' as if the Aboriginal culture 'DIED' long before 1788.


Was it the 'ISOLATION'?
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Reply #23 - May 8th, 2019 at 11:12pm
 
Gordon wrote on May 8th, 2019 at 7:39pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on May 8th, 2019 at 7:34pm:
mothra wrote on May 8th, 2019 at 7:31pm:
Gordon wrote on May 8th, 2019 at 7:23pm:
The likes of Bwibwi and Moths post preposterous rubbish like this so when the enviable replies come in, they can look at themselves in the mirror, form their mouths into the shape of a cats bum and reflect on how morally superior they are. 


Quite the reverse. You refute all claims out hand as "preposterous" to justify your feelings of superiority.


Let's wait to hear what Gordon's race invented, Mother.

We Aussies invented the Hills Hoist.

Superior culture, innit.


The world is full of treasures of human endeavor.

It's also interesting how the dates of sophisticated civilisations are being pushed way back. Ever heard of Göbekli Tepe?


Never. Aussies also invented the goon.

What did you people ever invent?
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Reply #24 - May 8th, 2019 at 11:14pm
 
Jasin wrote on May 8th, 2019 at 7:53pm:
Westernised Australians haven't really 'invented' anything 'Australian' yet.
Everything they have come up with is 'borrowed or stolen' from other Nations. It relies on foreign 'Multi-Culturalism' for ideas.
Hell, go back much further and Europe relied on borrowing everything from the Middle-East... even Religion and War.
Even through Writing, that was invented in the Middle-East, did Greece come to know 'Law' and Politics, to send it over time and space to North America.

So the Aboriginals may have invented a 'Stick', besides actual Agriculture (the whole land was a Farm) that worked 'with' the Land, not against it and other Innovations of originality.
You might ask then, why did they stop - back there in time, long ago? What was the cause of their 'stagnation' from being the most 'advanced' of all the early Sapien peoples, to the most left behind?
Was it the mass 'SEDATION' of the Eucalyptus 'vapors' that came from the vast forests and bushlands? Here in the most 'poisonous' Region (Sahul) of the world.
Was it the ISOLATION from everyone else - like a Prison cell?
Whatever it was - what was it that made them like that?
They mostly emphasis their existence based upon the 'LAND' - so it is something about the 'Land' that made them the way they became. What was it exactly, that stopped the 'change'? Why did they 'slow' - then, as many of you would make it seem like, as if they actually 'Stopped' as if the Aboriginal culture 'DIED' long before 1788.


Was it the 'ISOLATION'?


Nonsense. The Hills Hoist, the goon, the big Black Box.

You people should be proud to be Australian. We grew here.
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Reply #25 - May 8th, 2019 at 11:20pm
 
Mattyfisk wrote on May 8th, 2019 at 11:12pm:
Gordon wrote on May 8th, 2019 at 7:39pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on May 8th, 2019 at 7:34pm:
mothra wrote on May 8th, 2019 at 7:31pm:
Gordon wrote on May 8th, 2019 at 7:23pm:
The likes of Bwibwi and Moths post preposterous rubbish like this so when the enviable replies come in, they can look at themselves in the mirror, form their mouths into the shape of a cats bum and reflect on how morally superior they are. 


Quite the reverse. You refute all claims out hand as "preposterous" to justify your feelings of superiority.


Let's wait to hear what Gordon's race invented, Mother.

We Aussies invented the Hills Hoist.

Superior culture, innit.


The world is full of treasures of human endeavor.

It's also interesting how the dates of sophisticated civilisations are being pushed way back. Ever heard of Göbekli Tepe?


Never. Aussies also invented the goon.

What did you people ever invent?

No we didn't, we invented the cask though.

Abbos invented the stick.
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Aboriginals seem to have the SUPERIOR form of ART expression in this country.
Whiteys can only beg, borrow and steal from the rest of the world styles, here. Nothing 'original' or unique to this Country.
What? Painting portraits of Media Celebrity Ego, in an Archibald - is 'different'?  Roll Eyes

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Reply #27 - May 9th, 2019 at 12:04am
 
mothra wrote on May 8th, 2019 at 5:41pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 8th, 2019 at 4:20pm:
mothra wrote on May 8th, 2019 at 3:22pm:
The outrage when it is suggested that Aboriginal peoples were more than the absolute basic form of life is hilarious.

You just can't make it work with your prejudice, can you? All of these scientific discoveries that speak not of great pyramids, (but behold the derision) but of a level of sophistication and a unique intelligence that fleshes them out a little.

You simply prefer to think of them as little more than animals.

You just refuse to be interested in Aboriginal people. It's astonishing. You learned in school that they were stone age and you will not challenge that ... because then you would have to question yourselves.

And then you'd have to admit for all of the shortcomings of Aboriginals (that you rely on to keep them being less than you), they didn't utterly root this country in just over 200 years. It took us to do that.

Perhaps if you stopped exaggerating all of the claims made by anthropologists, botanists, archaeologists, etc, so as to make it ridiculous and therefore more easy to dismiss, you'd see that nothing outlandish has been claimed. It all makes perfect sense.

You just don't want to challenge your colonial ideas. Fortunately, you are in the minority and the world will move on and leave you behind.


Not at all - I simply prefer to make fun of outlandish claims.....

Big bee in the bonnet again, mothra?



Except of course, no outlandish claims have been made. Your impulse is to diminish, dismiss and ridicule.

Just as you are trying to do with me by relegating my commentary to a "bee in my bonnet".


Yeah - it's a bee in the bonnet again....
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.. the widget that goes into Guinness cans to make it froth almost like the real thing...

.. the rip-top can so you can get at yer piss without an opener...

.. cask wine ....

..  welfare for Kaffirs..... (oops)....

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Reply #29 - May 9th, 2019 at 5:16am
 
Gordon wrote on May 8th, 2019 at 7:28pm:
I'm happy to not call Aboriginal culture stone age because of the negative connotations and it's really not meaningful. Hunter gatherers is the perfect description.


Calling them stone age is giving them credit where it's not due.

They were, in fact, PRE-STONE AGE because they had not yet grasped the concept of lashing a stick to a stone.

And that is a fact.
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20,000 years to research and develop a 'STICK'...........'Aboriginal Science'........ Grin Grin Grin Grin
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they have some core skills.
they have incredible natural athleticism.
they understand nature
they are very resilient
they have great patience.

i have done a little droving with them and they are superior natural horsemen to white fellas.

this stands to reason.
they have bodies which are much better at getting rid of heat then some whitey trying to work in the territory. thats generations of evolutionary pressure.

are they smart?
well, who cares.

google maps is a lot smarter then me
wikipedia is a lot smarter then me.

the big tragedy for the aborigine is that the SJW's took them on as a victim group and started trying to run the show.
the last thing you want if you are struggling is a lot of anxious hand wringing bed wetting sob sisters looking after you.
thats a frigging disaster.
they were so much better off when they worked hand in hand with tough local graziers who respected them and didnt make them into pet victims
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Reply #32 - May 9th, 2019 at 9:37am
 
Valkie wrote on May 9th, 2019 at 5:16am:
Gordon wrote on May 8th, 2019 at 7:28pm:
I'm happy to not call Aboriginal culture stone age because of the negative connotations and it's really not meaningful. Hunter gatherers is the perfect description.


Calling them stone age is giving them credit where it's not due.

They were, in fact, PRE-STONE AGE because they had not yet grasped the concept of lashing a stick to a stone.

And that is a fact.


Right. Look it up.
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20,000 years to research and develop a 'STICK'...........'Aboriginal Science'........ Grin Grin Grin Grin


We're superior, Matty.

We invented a sock.
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Reply #34 - May 9th, 2019 at 9:43am
 
aquascoot wrote on May 9th, 2019 at 8:54am:
they have some core skills.
they have incredible natural athleticism.
they understand nature
they are very resilient
they have great patience.

i have done a little droving with them and they are superior natural horsemen to white fellas.

this stands to reason.
they have bodies which are much better at getting rid of heat then some whitey trying to work in the territory. thats generations of evolutionary pressure.

are they smart?
well, who cares.

google maps is a lot smarter then me
wikipedia is a lot smarter then me.

the big tragedy for the aborigine is that the SJW's took them on as a victim group and started trying to run the show.
the last thing you want if you are struggling is a lot of anxious hand wringing bed wetting sob sisters looking after you.
thats a frigging disaster.
they were so much better off when they worked hand in hand with tough local graziers who respected them and didnt make them into pet victims


I know. Those tough local graziers let them into the back bar to buy their beer and piss off.

They, you see, invented a pub.
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you know K , i was in woorabinda which was a dry settlement and i went back and there was a wet canteen with a plaque (proudly opened by Wayne Goss premier Qld).

and the locals could only drink at the canteen, they couldnt take unopened cans back to their houses.

so they would buy 2 cartons and the guy behind the bar would pull the rings on 48 cans and then they would take them back to their houses and get smashed.( i suppose they didnt mind them being flat).

so please dont lecture me about our noble leftie politicians.

and there at woorabinda were a core of old grandmas who looked after all the local grandkids and held the place together and they were raised in a local baptist missionary . so the baptists did a much better job of assisting aborigines then the progressive left have ever done  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Fuzzball wrote on May 9th, 2019 at 8:39am:
20,000 years to research and develop a 'STICK'...........'Aboriginal Science'........ Grin Grin Grin Grin


We're superior, Matty.

We invented a sock.


And you were given birth to...............strange hey....
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aquascoot wrote on May 9th, 2019 at 10:05am:
you know K , i was in woorabinda which was a dry settlement and i went back and there was a wet canteen with a plaque (proudly opened by Wayne Goss premier Qld).

and the locals could only drink at the canteen, they couldnt take unopened cans back to their houses.

so they would buy 2 cartons and the guy behind the bar would pull the rings on 48 cans and then they would take them back to their houses and get smashed.( i suppose they didnt mind them being flat).

so please dont lecture me about our noble leftie politicians.

and there at woorabinda were a core of old grandmas who looked after all the local grandkids and held the place together and they were raised in a local baptist missionary . so the baptists did a much better job of assisting aborigines then the progressive left have ever done  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


I think you'll find Baptists are the progressive left, dear. They certainly are today.
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Jasin wrote on May 8th, 2019 at 7:53pm:
Westernised Australians haven't really 'invented' anything 'Australian' yet.
Everything they have come up with is 'borrowed or stolen' from other Nations. It relies on foreign 'Multi-Culturalism' for ideas.
Hell, go back much further and Europe relied on borrowing everything from the Middle-East... even Religion and War.
Even through Writing, that was invented in the Middle-East, did Greece come to know 'Law' and Politics, to send it over time and space to North America.

So the Aboriginals may have invented a 'Stick', besides actual Agriculture (the whole land was a Farm) that worked 'with' the Land, not against it and other Innovations of originality.
You might ask then, why did they stop - back there in time, long ago? What was the cause of their 'stagnation' from being the most 'advanced' of all the early Sapien peoples, to the most left behind?
Was it the mass 'SEDATION' of the Eucalyptus 'vapors' that came from the vast forests and bushlands? Here in the most 'poisonous' Region (Sahul) of the world.
Was it the ISOLATION from everyone else - like a Prison cell?
Whatever it was - what was it that made them like that?
They mostly emphasis their existence based upon the 'LAND' - so it is something about the 'Land' that made them the way they became. What was it exactly, that stopped the 'change'? Why did they 'slow' - then, as many of you would make it seem like, as if they actually 'Stopped' as if the Aboriginal culture 'DIED' long before 1788.


Was it the 'ISOLATION'?


1. The modern multi-channel cochlear implant was independently developed and commercialized by two separate teams - one led by Graeme Clark in Australia and another by Ingeborg Hochmair and her future husband, Erwin Hochmair in Austria, with the Hochmairs' device first implanted in a person in December 1977 and Clark's in August 1978.[12]

2. The black box flight recorder has helped make commercial air travel the world’s safest form of travel. It was invented by Australian scientist Dr David Warren, who lost his own father to an aircraft tragedy in 1934 when the Miss Hobart crashed into the Bass Strait.

3.In 1999, Perth-based plastic surgeon Professor Fiona Wood patented her spray-on skin technique. The innovation involves taking a small patch of the victim’s healthy skin and using it to grow new skin cells in a laboratory.

4. Electronic pacemaker
Australian doctor Mark Lidwill and physicist Edgar Booth developed the first artificial pacemaker in the 1920s.

5. Google Maps
Danish brothers Lars and Jens Rasmussen developed the platform for Google Maps in Sydney in the early 2000s. Along with Australians Neil Gordon and Stephen Ma, they founded a small start-up company called Where 2 Technologies in 2003. 

6. Polymer bank notes
Plastic bank notes were developed in a combined effort by the Reserve Bank of Australia and CSIRO in the 1980s. The first plastic bank note to be put into circulation was the $10 note, released in 1988

7.Electric drill
DIY-enthusiasts can thank an Aussie for this indispensible piece of equipment. In 1889, Australian electrical engineer Arthur James Arnot patented the world’s first electric drill with his colleague William Brain.

8.Winged keel
Ben Lexcen, an Australian yachtsman and marine architect,
invented the winged keel – a nearly horizontal foil, or wing, at the base of a sailing boat keel.

9.Permaculture
In 1972, Bill Mollison had the epiphany which led to the development of permaculture, a concept that uses a natural approach to designing self-sufficient human settlements and agricultural systems.

Today permaculture is an alternative to chemical-based agriculture which can be harmful to humans and the environment.

10. Wi-Fi technology
In 1992 John O’ Sullivan and the CSIRO developed Wi-Fi technology, used by more than a billion people around the world today
. The core parts of the technology came out of research in the mid-1970s in the field of radio astronomy, when John and his colleagues at the CSIRO were originally looking for the faint echoes of black holes.

As a result of this work, the CSIRO has held key patents for Wi-Fi technology since the mid-1990s, bringing the organisation millions of dollars in royalties every year.

RELATED: Wi-Fi creator CSIRO wins $220m lawsuit

11. Ultrasound scanner
In 1976 Ausonics commercialised the ultrasound scanner. Studying ultrasound from 1959 onwards, the Ultrasonics Research Section of the Commonwealth Acoustrics Laboratories Branch (later to become the Ultrasonic Institute) discovered a way to differentiate ultrasound echoes bouncing off soft tissue in the body and converting them to TV images.
This discovery forever changed pre-natal care as it gave expecting parents a window to the foetus without x-ray exposure. Ultrasound technology is also used in the diagnoses of medical problems of the breast, abdomen, and reproductive organs.

And there are quite a few more ...... Oh ye of little faith ... and heaps of ignorance of the achievements of your countrymen.  Roll Eyes
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Reply #39 - May 9th, 2019 at 3:55pm
 
Jasin wrote on May 8th, 2019 at 11:58pm:
Aboriginals seem to have the SUPERIOR form of ART expression in this country.
Whiteys can only beg, borrow and steal from the rest of the world styles, here. Nothing 'original' or unique to this Country.
What? Painting portraits of Media Celebrity Ego, in an Archibald - is 'different'?  Roll Eyes

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Whitey taught them how to dot paint  Roll Eyes
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And Australia farming inventions without which much of the world would be going hungry. And that's the difference, the Aboriginals subsisted, Western early settlers invented.
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And Australia farming inventions without which much of the world would be going hungry. And that's the difference, the Aboriginals subsisted, Western early settlers invented.



And they lived here for tens of thousands of years ... we've trashed it in 200.

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and the average life expectancy of Aboriginals is? Before colonisation they lived short brutal lives and used infanticide and cannibalism as a method of population control.
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and the average life expectancy of Aboriginals is? Before colonisation they lived short brutal lives and used infanticide and cannibalism as a method of population control.



What Rhino leaned in school.

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All factual and easily checked.
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rhino wrote on May 9th, 2019 at 4:57pm:
All factual and easily checked.



And the irony of that statement is completely lost on you.

Meanwhile, historians, archaeologists, botanists, anthropologists and all sorts of other scientists are finding overwhelmingly that the "facts" previously pimped are very far from the whole story and were told specifically to promote the colonialist idea that 'we' are not only better than these people, 'they' have been better off because of us.

I don't blame you for not wanting to accept what is being and has been uncovered. It would cause you to challenge yourself too deeply and you're certainly not up to that.
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Good point, Rhino. Male Aboriginal life expectancy was calculated by Aboriginal scientists in 1788 to be 67.2 years.

They didn't take the later smallpox epidemics into account, of course. They wiped out most of the Sydney population, so that kept the life expectancy rate low for a few years. Then there were the settler wars and cullings - that kept it down until the 20th century.

Today, the rate's a booming 67.3% - about a month more. That's 9.5 years lower than Whitey, but he looks after himself.

Superior culture, innit.
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Reply #47 - May 9th, 2019 at 6:09pm
 
Aboriginal average life expectancy like other tribal societies translates not so much as nasty brutish and short but reflects the high risk of childbirth for children and mothers, the high risk to children of ordinary diseases and the risk of infections without antibiotics. 

Once past those humps of birth and childhood life expectancy then life is reduced to its normal vicissitudes of life, cancers and such but without the extraordinary interventions we enjoy in the west,  in short, life is about the same.

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mothra wrote on May 9th, 2019 at 5:21pm:
Meanwhile, historians, archaeologists, botanists, anthropologists and all sorts of other scientists are finding overwhelmingly that the "facts" previously pimped are very far from the whole story and were told specifically to promote the colonialist idea that 'we' are not only better than these people, 'they' have been better off because of us.
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Both your "better people" and "better off" are hugely subjective. Who are better people? What do they do that makes them better, don't beat their spouses or don't mutilate their children? What if they do and their society would fail without it? That would hurt them all.

Does success have anything to do with doing better, as a people, not as individuals?

What does better off mean? There are aboriginals that live within the culture that is Australia, today, are they better off? You'd have to ask each and every one before coming to conclusion that "they" are worse off, again subjective. For most aboriginal activists I'd ask them if they would be better off not existing. If they have European DNA, they would not exists to complain. They should thank their lives for it. If these people could look out beyond their victimhood, they would realise that. Perhaps they do but where there's a dollar...

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Setanta wrote on May 9th, 2019 at 6:38pm:
mothra wrote on May 9th, 2019 at 5:21pm:
Meanwhile, historians, archaeologists, botanists, anthropologists and all sorts of other scientists are finding overwhelmingly that the "facts" previously pimped are very far from the whole story and were told specifically to promote the colonialist idea that 'we' are not only better than these people, 'they' have been better off because of us.
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Both your "better people" and "better off" are hugely subjective. Who are better people? What do they do that makes them better, don't beat their spouses or don't mutilate their children? What if they do and their society would fail without it? That would hurt them all.

Does success have anything to do with doing better, as a people, not as individuals?

What does better off mean? There are aboriginals that live within the culture that is Australia, today, are they better off? You'd have to ask each and every one before coming to conclusion that "they" are worse off, again subjective. For most aboriginal activists I'd ask them if they would be better off not existing. If they have European DNA, they would not exists to complain. They should thank their lives for it. If these people could look out beyond their victimhood, they would realise that. Perhaps they do but where there's a dollar...



Fumy you should go on about seeking the counsel of the individual before launching into yet another pig-ignorant, bigoted characterisation of the general "victimhood" and money-grubbing.

I expect no less.

I assume you prefer to think they only invented a stick also. Helps when you think like that, yeah?
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Reply #50 - May 9th, 2019 at 6:56pm
 
Expanding on what Set said above, colonisation of Australia was inevitable and Australia only avoided it for so long due to it's geography.

The human race has been moving around, killing and smacking each other since the day dot, so why should Aboriginals be spared?

When you think about the carnage and bloodshed it took western civilisation (which we really can argue for humans is as good as it gets) aboriginals have had it handed to them on a plate.

Sure, there's a little way to go in their 'adjustment' phase, maybe a couple of hundred more years??, but to advance from the least developed culture on the planet to what ever is in store for us in about 200 years, over just a aprox 500 year timespan, that's a bloody bargain!!
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mothra wrote on May 9th, 2019 at 6:53pm:
Setanta wrote on May 9th, 2019 at 6:38pm:
mothra wrote on May 9th, 2019 at 5:21pm:
Meanwhile, historians, archaeologists, botanists, anthropologists and all sorts of other scientists are finding overwhelmingly that the "facts" previously pimped are very far from the whole story and were told specifically to promote the colonialist idea that 'we' are not only better than these people, 'they' have been better off because of us.
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Both your "better people" and "better off" are hugely subjective. Who are better people? What do they do that makes them better, don't beat their spouses or don't mutilate their children? What if they do and their society would fail without it? That would hurt them all.

Does success have anything to do with doing better, as a people, not as individuals?

What does better off mean? There are aboriginals that live within the culture that is Australia, today, are they better off? You'd have to ask each and every one before coming to conclusion that "they" are worse off, again subjective. For most aboriginal activists I'd ask them if they would be better off not existing. If they have European DNA, they would not exists to complain. They should thank their lives for it. If these people could look out beyond their victimhood, they would realise that. Perhaps they do but where there's a dollar...



Fumy you should go on about seeking the counsel of the individual before launching into yet another pig-ignorant, bigoted characterisation of the general "victimhood" and money-grubbing.

I expect no less.

I assume you prefer to think they only invented a stick also. Helps when you think like that, yeah?


So that's all you have? I expected no less. You made vapourous subjective statements that are impossible to sustain. When I point out the subjectivity inherent in this POV... I guess it makes me a bigot.

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Reply #52 - May 9th, 2019 at 7:03pm
 
Setanta wrote on May 9th, 2019 at 7:00pm:
mothra wrote on May 9th, 2019 at 6:53pm:
Setanta wrote on May 9th, 2019 at 6:38pm:
mothra wrote on May 9th, 2019 at 5:21pm:
Meanwhile, historians, archaeologists, botanists, anthropologists and all sorts of other scientists are finding overwhelmingly that the "facts" previously pimped are very far from the whole story and were told specifically to promote the colonialist idea that 'we' are not only better than these people, 'they' have been better off because of us.
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Both your "better people" and "better off" are hugely subjective. Who are better people? What do they do that makes them better, don't beat their spouses or don't mutilate their children? What if they do and their society would fail without it? That would hurt them all.

Does success have anything to do with doing better, as a people, not as individuals?

What does better off mean? There are aboriginals that live within the culture that is Australia, today, are they better off? You'd have to ask each and every one before coming to conclusion that "they" are worse off, again subjective. For most aboriginal activists I'd ask them if they would be better off not existing. If they have European DNA, they would not exists to complain. They should thank their lives for it. If these people could look out beyond their victimhood, they would realise that. Perhaps they do but where there's a dollar...



Fumy you should go on about seeking the counsel of the individual before launching into yet another pig-ignorant, bigoted characterisation of the general "victimhood" and money-grubbing.

I expect no less.

I assume you prefer to think they only invented a stick also. Helps when you think like that, yeah?


So that's all you have? I expected no less. You made vapourous subjective statements that are impossible to sustain. When I point out the subjectivity inherent in this POV... I guess it makes me a bigot.



Didn't think you'd understand.

Gotta justify that prejudice hey.
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And Australia farming inventions without which much of the world would be going hungry. And that's the difference, the Aboriginals subsisted, Western early settlers invented.



And they lived here for tens of thousands of years ... we've trashed it in 200.




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Didn't Set take in an indigenous child of a neighbor with drug issues recently?

At least he's not a posturing poser who feels morally superior by manufacturing offense at everything.
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Reply #55 - May 9th, 2019 at 7:07pm
 
mothra wrote on May 9th, 2019 at 7:03pm:
Setanta wrote on May 9th, 2019 at 7:00pm:
mothra wrote on May 9th, 2019 at 6:53pm:
Setanta wrote on May 9th, 2019 at 6:38pm:
mothra wrote on May 9th, 2019 at 5:21pm:
Meanwhile, historians, archaeologists, botanists, anthropologists and all sorts of other scientists are finding overwhelmingly that the "facts" previously pimped are very far from the whole story and were told specifically to promote the colonialist idea that 'we' are not only better than these people, 'they' have been better off because of us.
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Both your "better people" and "better off" are hugely subjective. Who are better people? What do they do that makes them better, don't beat their spouses or don't mutilate their children? What if they do and their society would fail without it? That would hurt them all.

Does success have anything to do with doing better, as a people, not as individuals?

What does better off mean? There are aboriginals that live within the culture that is Australia, today, are they better off? You'd have to ask each and every one before coming to conclusion that "they" are worse off, again subjective. For most aboriginal activists I'd ask them if they would be better off not existing. If they have European DNA, they would not exists to complain. They should thank their lives for it. If these people could look out beyond their victimhood, they would realise that. Perhaps they do but where there's a dollar...



Fumy you should go on about seeking the counsel of the individual before launching into yet another pig-ignorant, bigoted characterisation of the general "victimhood" and money-grubbing.

I expect no less.

I assume you prefer to think they only invented a stick also. Helps when you think like that, yeah?


So that's all you have? I expected no less. You made vapourous subjective statements that are impossible to sustain. When I point out the subjectivity inherent in this POV... I guess it makes me a bigot.



Didn't think you'd understand.

Gotta justify that prejudice hey.


Gotta sidestep from that subjective post?

Not that you'd care, I do understand. This is not about my understanding.
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Reply #56 - May 9th, 2019 at 7:10pm
 
Setanta wrote on May 9th, 2019 at 6:38pm:
mothra wrote on May 9th, 2019 at 5:21pm:
Meanwhile, historians, archaeologists, botanists, anthropologists and all sorts of other scientists are finding overwhelmingly that the "facts" previously pimped are very far from the whole story and were told specifically to promote the colonialist idea that 'we' are not only better than these people, 'they' have been better off because of us.
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Both your "better people" and "better off" are hugely subjective. Who are better people? What do they do that makes them better, don't beat their spouses or don't mutilate their children? What if they do and their society would fail without it? That would hurt them all.

Does success have anything to do with doing better, as a people, not as individuals?

What does better off mean? There are aboriginals that live within the culture that is Australia, today, are they better off? You'd have to ask each and every one before coming to conclusion that "they" are worse off, again subjective. For most aboriginal activists I'd ask them if they would be better off not existing. If they have European DNA, they would not exists to complain. They should thank their lives for it. If these people could look out beyond their victimhood, they would realise that. Perhaps they do but where there's a dollar...



Every successful Aboriginal footballer, for instance, has a blonde wife.... as does my nephew who is half-Koori.... in family we never even notice the difference... and then some Kaffir Luvvah starts acting up and calling us all racists etc...
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Didn't Set take in an indigenous child of a neighbor with drug issues recently?

At least he's not a posturing poser who feels morally superior by manufacturing offense at everything.



You mistake acts of personal charity with overall good will. You think just because you've done some good in your life, it excuses you from the kind off bullshit prejudice you want to express.

The fact of the matter is, Set took me to task for not taking a thorough census on whether i thought all Aboriginals felt they were better off for being colonised (why this is even a question is beyond me ... amazing bigotry) in a thread about how we have been underestimating them willfully for generations so he could seque into whinging about what victims they think they all are.

If you can't see the hypocrisy and prejudice in that, you're an even bigger idiot than i had previously thought you.
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Oh and my daughter's life long best friend is Anangu. She lived with me for nearly two years through some tough times.

Funnily enough, i have never tried to claim i fostered an Aboriginal. I just had this kid live with me.
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Reply #59 - May 9th, 2019 at 7:17pm
 
mothra wrote on May 9th, 2019 at 7:11pm:
Gordon wrote on May 9th, 2019 at 7:07pm:
Didn't Set take in an indigenous child of a neighbor with drug issues recently?

At least he's not a posturing poser who feels morally superior by manufacturing offense at everything.



You mistake acts of personal charity with overall good will. You think just because you've done some good in your life, it excuses you from the kind off bullshit prejudice you want to express.

The fact of the matter is, Set took me to task for not taking a thorough census on whether i thought all Aboriginals felt they were better off for being colonised (why this is even a question is beyond me ... amazing bigotry) in a thread about how we have been underestimating them willfully for generations so he could seque into whinging about what victims they think they all are.

If you can't see the hypocrisy and prejudice in that, you're an even bigger idiot than i had previously thought you.


And Setanta letting a Sudanese refo camp under his house is another show of his bigotry and hypocrisy. The man knows knows bounds!
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Thats amusing as bugger, I have seen on many occasions idiots such as yourself and Brian attempt to divert an argument to personal anecdote by “how many Muslims do you know” census.

It would be nice if the warriors of the left could be consistent.  Smiley
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Reply #61 - May 9th, 2019 at 7:20pm
 
Setanta wrote on May 9th, 2019 at 7:17pm:
mothra wrote on May 9th, 2019 at 7:11pm:
Gordon wrote on May 9th, 2019 at 7:07pm:
Didn't Set take in an indigenous child of a neighbor with drug issues recently?

At least he's not a posturing poser who feels morally superior by manufacturing offense at everything.



You mistake acts of personal charity with overall good will. You think just because you've done some good in your life, it excuses you from the kind off bullshit prejudice you want to express.

The fact of the matter is, Set took me to task for not taking a thorough census on whether i thought all Aboriginals felt they were better off for being colonised (why this is even a question is beyond me ... amazing bigotry) in a thread about how we have been underestimating them willfully for generations so he could seque into whinging about what victims they think they all are.

If you can't see the hypocrisy and prejudice in that, you're an even bigger idiot than i had previously thought you.


And Setanta letting a Sudanese refo camp under his house is another show of his bigotry and hypocrisy. The man knows knows bounds!



Gotta make sure we know he was Sudanese.

I think that's what we call 'virtue signalling'.
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REG: They've bled us white, the bastards. They've taken everything we had, and not just from us, from our fathers, and from our fathers' fathers.

LORETTA: And from our fathers' fathers' fathers.

REG: Yeah.

LORETTA: And from our fathers' fathers' fathers' fathers.

REG: Yeah. All right, Stan. Don't labour the point. And what have they ever given us in return?!

XERXES: The aqueduct?

REG: What?

XERXES: The aqueduct.

REG: Oh. Yeah, yeah. They did give us that. Uh, that's true. Yeah.

COMMANDO #3: And the sanitation.

LORETTA: Oh, yeah, the sanitation, Reg. Remember what the city used to be like?

REG: Yeah. All right. I'll grant you the aqueduct and the sanitation are two things that the Romans have done.

MATTHIAS: And the roads.

REG: Well, yeah. Obviously the roads. I mean, the roads go without saying, don't they? But apart from the sanitation, the aqueduct, and the roads--

COMMANDO: Irrigation.

XERXES: Medicine.

COMMANDOS: Huh? Heh? Huh...

COMMANDO #2: Education.

COMMANDOS: Ohh...

REG: Yeah, yeah. All right. Fair enough.

COMMANDO #1: And the wine.

COMMANDOS: Oh, yes. Yeah...

FRANCIS: Yeah. Yeah, that's something we'd really miss, Reg, if the Romans left. Huh.

COMMANDO: Public baths.

LORETTA: And it's safe to walk in the streets at night now, Reg.

FRANCIS: Yeah, they certainly know how to keep order. Let's face it. They're the only ones who could in a place like this.

COMMANDOS: Hehh, heh. Heh heh heh heh heh heh heh.

REG: All right, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, a fresh water system, and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?

XERXES: Brought peace.

REG: Oh. Peace? Shut up!
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Reply #63 - May 9th, 2019 at 7:24pm
 
mothra wrote on May 9th, 2019 at 7:20pm:
Setanta wrote on May 9th, 2019 at 7:17pm:
mothra wrote on May 9th, 2019 at 7:11pm:
Gordon wrote on May 9th, 2019 at 7:07pm:
Didn't Set take in an indigenous child of a neighbor with drug issues recently?

At least he's not a posturing poser who feels morally superior by manufacturing offense at everything.



You mistake acts of personal charity with overall good will. You think just because you've done some good in your life, it excuses you from the kind off bullshit prejudice you want to express.

The fact of the matter is, Set took me to task for not taking a thorough census on whether i thought all Aboriginals felt they were better off for being colonised (why this is even a question is beyond me ... amazing bigotry) in a thread about how we have been underestimating them willfully for generations so he could seque into whinging about what victims they think they all are.

If you can't see the hypocrisy and prejudice in that, you're an even bigger idiot than i had previously thought you.


And Setanta letting a Sudanese refo camp under his house is another show of his bigotry and hypocrisy. The man knows knows bounds!



Gotta make sure we know he was Sudanese.

I think that's what we call 'virtue signalling'.


He did ask me if i was a virtue signaller after i took him in. He was obviously South Sudanese, he was Christian. He asked me, after the fact, if I was Christian and that is why I'm helping. I said "no" I'm an atheist.

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A high technology culture took over a low technology one. Was always going to happen. These people were stone age. An isolated offshoot of human unable to progress for 100,000 years.
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Reply #65 - May 9th, 2019 at 11:57pm
 
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Didn't Set take in an indigenous child of a neighbor with drug issues recently?

At least he's not a posturing poser who feels morally superior by manufacturing offense at everything.


No, he let his daughter married a Chow.

You're the expert here, Gordon. You pashed a Boong on the bus to Dubbo.
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Oh and my daughter's life long best friend is Anangu. She lived with me for nearly two years through some tough times.

Funnily enough, i have never tried to claim i fostered an Aboriginal. I just had this kid live with me.



and when set tells us this story he is a "virtue signaller'
and when you tell us this story you are a "?" Roll Eyes
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rhino wrote on May 9th, 2019 at 3:57pm:
And Australia farming inventions without which much of the world would be going hungry. And that's the difference, the Aboriginals subsisted, Western early settlers invented.



And they lived here for tens of thousands of years ... we've trashed it in 200.



Grin A progressive that doesn't believe in progress ... who would have thought? Roll Eyes

Had what you state not happened ... you wouldn't even be here.

And in all honesty do you think it would not have happened one way or another ......

and it may not have been by whitey?
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Those who so disapprove of our modern culture are always welcome to leave their electricity free humpy and walk to town and everywhere else in bare feet, and remain off the footpaths and not shop at supermarkets etc.... and use the language?  How could they betray their mates like that?  Where will they find a bush telegraph to express their grievances?  where will they get the reading skills to read the twaddle that some of these 'academics' come up with when they've got nothing of value to actually do?

40,000 years to let it lie fallow through ignorance incapacity, and it took 200 years for Whartey to build it up......

Anyway - let's move on to some real issues - what about immigration now?  Anyone?  The GIVco (Grouped Indigenous Victims as incorporated and paid for out of the public till) want to call out all those Chinks and Mussos etc as Invaders? 

Dey teking ahr gu'mint 'andout money dere, da rent ya know, mete...wit' dat scammin'!!  Ahr kids is dah'in' from dat goom an' drug poisonin', yeah... wat dem adults gi'e 'em ya kno, Bro, and dem 'Vaders teking dat cash!!!

Here's The Conversation:-

"Estimated expenditure per person in 2012-13 was $43,449 for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Australians, compared with $20,900 for other Australians (a ratio of 2.08 to 1 — an increase from a ratio of 1.93 to 1 in 2008-09).

But how much of that $30.3 billion is spent on Indigenous-specific programs?

First, $5.7 billion of that amount comes from general government expenditure that has nothing specifically to do with Indigenous Australians (defence, foreign affairs and industry assistance), but is seen to benefit everyone."


Note that there is no allocation within the $20,900 for 'other Australians" (there is such a thing as an 'other' Australian?) for "defence, foreign affairs and industry assistance" etc (Aboriginals don't 'benefit' from 'industry assistance and defence and foreign affairs'?) ... hmmmmm... just hmmmmmmmmmmmm......

Why do I smell propaganda here?

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Reply #69 - May 10th, 2019 at 9:00am
 
mothra wrote on May 9th, 2019 at 7:03pm:
Setanta wrote on May 9th, 2019 at 7:00pm:
mothra wrote on May 9th, 2019 at 6:53pm:
Setanta wrote on May 9th, 2019 at 6:38pm:
mothra wrote on May 9th, 2019 at 5:21pm:
Meanwhile, historians, archaeologists, botanists, anthropologists and all sorts of other scientists are finding overwhelmingly that the "facts" previously pimped are very far from the whole story and were told specifically to promote the colonialist idea that 'we' are not only better than these people, 'they' have been better off because of us.
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Both your "better people" and "better off" are hugely subjective. Who are better people? What do they do that makes them better, don't beat their spouses or don't mutilate their children? What if they do and their society would fail without it? That would hurt them all.

Does success have anything to do with doing better, as a people, not as individuals?

What does better off mean? There are aboriginals that live within the culture that is Australia, today, are they better off? You'd have to ask each and every one before coming to conclusion that "they" are worse off, again subjective. For most aboriginal activists I'd ask them if they would be better off not existing. If they have European DNA, they would not exists to complain. They should thank their lives for it. If these people could look out beyond their victimhood, they would realise that. Perhaps they do but where there's a dollar...



Fumy you should go on about seeking the counsel of the individual before launching into yet another pig-ignorant, bigoted characterisation of the general "victimhood" and money-grubbing.

I expect no less.

I assume you prefer to think they only invented a stick also. Helps when you think like that, yeah?


So that's all you have? I expected no less. You made vapourous subjective statements that are impossible to sustain. When I point out the subjectivity inherent in this POV... I guess it makes me a bigot.



Didn't think you'd understand.

Gotta justify that prejudice hey.


At the end of the day, you singularly just have your view and everyone who disagrees or counters it is called a bigot or racist or a "phobe".

You & those like you are the problem .... paint a bullshyte picture/make up new findings to paint a basic history in a better light.

There is no doubt that Aboriginals were great survivors for 1,000's of years in isolation.

But even though their belief is that they are of the land, they to had a part in changing it vastly.

You just want to sprinkle the reality with fairy dust.



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Reply #70 - May 10th, 2019 at 9:02am
 
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Oh and my daughter's life long best friend is Anangu. She lived with me for nearly two years through some tough times.

Funnily enough, i have never tried to claim i fostered an Aboriginal. I just had this kid live with me.


You hero.
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mothra wrote on May 9th, 2019 at 7:16pm:
Oh and my daughter's life long best friend is Anangu. She lived with me for nearly two years through some tough times.

Funnily enough, i have never tried to claim i fostered an Aboriginal. I just had this kid live with me.



and when set tells us this story he is a "virtue signaller'
and when you tell us this story you are a "?" Roll Eyes


Defending myself ... and deftly taking the opportunity to under the stupidity of a particular turn of phrase.

Furthermore, by "virtue" of the fact that i am only just mentioning this (in direct context) to illustrate that i have not tried to show i'm not really a racist despite behaving very much like one on a daily basis by proudly declaring "I've even had one in my home!"

I haven't needed to mitigate my racism at all.


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At the end of the day, you singularly just have your view and everyone who disagrees or counters it is called a bigot or racist or a "phobe".




Nope. Just the racists and bigots

There's loads of you on here so it seems like i'm saying it a lot is all.


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ah, for stating scientific fact we are now bigots and racists.
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Gnads wrote on May 10th, 2019 at 9:00am:
You & those like you are the problem .... paint a bullshyte picture/make up new findings to paint a basic history in a better light.




"Basic history in a better light".

Just reflect on those words. What we are reading is that Gonads thinks that that because it is of little or no worth to him, it is of little value. "Better light"? Just speaks volumes, right there.

It is imperative that people like Gonads believe the version of history that most undervalues (in Gonad's sense of the word value that is) Aboriginal people.

It's so much easier to look down on them from up there.

Also, it's so much easier to live what what was done and is being done to them.

Why else would you resist the basic and so overwhelmingly supported conclusion that the history books are incredibly biased and more recent examination of early accounts and ongoing scientific exploration has led us to advance our understanding of what the First People were actually like? Nothing outrageous is being claimed. Just that they were more developed than we've been led to believe.

And you don't even look at things on a case by case basis! It's all bullshit to you.

They invented a stick. Right? That's all you'll give them.


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ah, for stating scientific fact we are now bigots and racists.



All of your facts have been refuted.

I'm on the side of science here. You're well out of date.
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Gnads wrote on May 10th, 2019 at 9:00am:
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At the end of the day, you singularly just have your view and everyone who disagrees or counters it is called a bigot or racist or a "phobe".




Nope. Just the racists and bigots

There's loads of you on here so it seems like i'm saying it a lot is all.




Well.... if we weren't before you and Smith et al (poor old Al - always lumped in with the losers) got started on us - we sure are now... you sure know how to alienate ordinary, decent people .... stop spitting vinegar and try some honey instead...

Research = false conclusions based on deeply personal choice of interpretation about 'agriculture' etc, is NOT science....*
 

Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes


*I suppose you think that putting milk in your tea after instead of before makes a different chemical reaction, or that a bitch bred with a mongrel will never throw true again??  That's popular 'science' for you....
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mothra wrote on May 10th, 2019 at 11:47am:
Gnads wrote on May 10th, 2019 at 9:00am:
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At the end of the day, you singularly just have your view and everyone who disagrees or counters it is called a bigot or racist or a "phobe".




Nope. Just the racists and bigots

There's loads of you on here so it seems like i'm saying it a lot is all.




Well.... if we weren't before you and Smith et al (poor old Al - always lumped in with the losers) got started on us - we sure are now... you sure know how to alienate ordinary, decent people .... stop spitting vinegar and try some honey instead...

Research = false conclusions based on deeply personal choice of interpretation about 'agriculture' etc, is NOT science....*
 

Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes


*I suppose you think that putting milk in your tea after instead of before makes a different chemical reaction, or that a bitch bred with a mongrel will never throw true again??  That's popular 'science' for you....



Oh we made you racists. Of course we did.

Anyway, botany is a science. Astronomy is a science. Archaeology is a science. So are genealogy, anthropology, linguistics, and arguably history.

See what i mean about minimising everything? Just a bit about agriculture indeed.

And, by the way, if it's "just a bit about agriculture", where are these "grandiose" claims you were previously objecting to?
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Oh, and i don't mind in the slightest if i alienate you or anyone remotely like you. I don't like you at all.

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mothra wrote on May 10th, 2019 at 12:44pm:
Oh, and i don't mind in the slightest if i alienate you or anyone remotely like you. I don't like you at all.



That's a relief......

And if "botany is a science. Astronomy is a science. Archaeology is a science. So are genealogy, anthropology, linguistics, and arguably history." are all perverted and sidetracked to suit a preconceived agenda outcome...... they cease to be Science and become instead 'science'.

So a knowledge of which plants won't poison you, looking at the stars at night (are big and bright, deep in the heart of Texas), digging and finding a few pitiful remnants of middens, bones and such, comparing but only in a favourable light  one chosen culture with another, a bland statement of  over 250 different languages (some communication going on there  Roll Eyes), and a verbal history re-invented into fact by modern researchers.... are now signs of a vastly superior culture?

Well - who'd 've thunk it?
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It's strange why Mothball is on this forum; she seems to detest every member on here......not that I give a schit.....she really should confine herself to the Monkey Hole Forum with the other losers who cling together like flies on cr@p........ Undecided

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Reply #81 - May 10th, 2019 at 1:28pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 10th, 2019 at 1:21pm:
mothra wrote on May 10th, 2019 at 12:44pm:
Oh, and i don't mind in the slightest if i alienate you or anyone remotely like you. I don't like you at all.



That's a relief......

And if "botany is a science. Astronomy is a science. Archaeology is a science. So are genealogy, anthropology, linguistics, and arguably history." are all perverted and sidetracked to suit a preconceived agenda outcome...... they cease to be Science and become instead 'science'.

So a knowledge of which plants won't poison you, looking at the stars at night (are big and bright, deep in the heart of Texas), digging and finding a few pitiful remnants of middens, bones and such, comparing but only in a favourable light  one chosen culture with another, a bland statement of  over 250 different languages (some communication going on there  Roll Eyes), and a verbal history re-invented into fact by modern researchers.... are now signs of a vastly superior culture?

Well - who'd 've thunk it?


Vastly superior?

Shadowboxer.


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Why didn't the Boongs spear all the white invaders to death when they first arrived, they had the numbers! to lazy perhaps, or perhaps they had had enough of going walkabout for 40,000yrs.

Not many of them walk very far from an alcohol outlet these days even though they have hundreds of thousands acres allocated to them.




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Why didn't the Boongs spear all the white invaders to death when they first arrived, they had the numbers! to lazy perhaps, or perhaps they had had enough of going walkabout for 40,000yrs.

Not many of them walk very far from an alcohol outlet these days even though they have hundreds of thousands acres allocated to them.







No racists here, of course.

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Loading the car to move house... not planning to hand it 'back' to the Koons, either...
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mothra wrote on May 10th, 2019 at 1:28pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 10th, 2019 at 1:21pm:
mothra wrote on May 10th, 2019 at 12:44pm:
Oh, and i don't mind in the slightest if i alienate you or anyone remotely like you. I don't like you at all.



That's a relief......

And if "botany is a science. Astronomy is a science. Archaeology is a science. So are genealogy, anthropology, linguistics, and arguably history." are all perverted and sidetracked to suit a preconceived agenda outcome...... they cease to be Science and become instead 'science'.

So a knowledge of which plants won't poison you, looking at the stars at night (are big and bright, deep in the heart of Texas), digging and finding a few pitiful remnants of middens, bones and such, comparing but only in a favourable light  one chosen culture with another, a bland statement of  over 250 different languages (some communication going on there  Roll Eyes), and a verbal history re-invented into fact by modern researchers.... are now signs of a vastly superior culture?

Well - who'd 've thunk it?


Vastly superior?

Shadowboxer.




You're the one who said they had it beautiful for over 40,000 years, and 'we' stuffed it all up in 200.... sounds like a 'vastly superior civilisation' claim to me....

Now, I'm loading the car - give yourself time to sort your thoughts out....
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Reply #86 - May 10th, 2019 at 1:49pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 10th, 2019 at 1:46pm:
mothra wrote on May 10th, 2019 at 1:28pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 10th, 2019 at 1:21pm:
mothra wrote on May 10th, 2019 at 12:44pm:
Oh, and i don't mind in the slightest if i alienate you or anyone remotely like you. I don't like you at all.



That's a relief......

And if "botany is a science. Astronomy is a science. Archaeology is a science. So are genealogy, anthropology, linguistics, and arguably history." are all perverted and sidetracked to suit a preconceived agenda outcome...... they cease to be Science and become instead 'science'.

So a knowledge of which plants won't poison you, looking at the stars at night (are big and bright, deep in the heart of Texas), digging and finding a few pitiful remnants of middens, bones and such, comparing but only in a favourable light  one chosen culture with another, a bland statement of  over 250 different languages (some communication going on there  Roll Eyes), and a verbal history re-invented into fact by modern researchers.... are now signs of a vastly superior culture?

Well - who'd 've thunk it?


Vastly superior?

Shadowboxer.




You're the one who said they had it beautiful for over 40,000 years, and 'we' stuffed it all up in 200.... sounds like a 'vastly superior civilisation' claim to me....

Now, I'm loading the car - give yourself time to sort your thoughts out....



I never said they "had it beautiful, Shadowboxer. I said that they didn't bugger it up and we have ... so maybe their way had advantages to ours just as, logically, our way has had advantages to theirs.

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Reply #87 - May 10th, 2019 at 1:56pm
 
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Why didn't the Boongs spear all the white invaders to death when they first arrived, they had the numbers! to lazy perhaps, or perhaps they had had enough of going walkabout for 40,000yrs.

Not many of them walk very far from an alcohol outlet these days even though they have hundreds of thousands acres allocated to them.



Good question, Matty. Do you know what you are?

You're curious. You're keen to know more, dear.
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mothra wrote on May 10th, 2019 at 1:35pm:
[quote author=strewth link=1557231639/82#82 date=1557459126]Why didn't the Boongs spear all the white invaders to death when they first arrived, they had the numbers! to lazy perhaps, or perhaps they had had enough of going walkabout for 40,000yrs.

Not many of them walk very far from an alcohol outlet these days even though they have hundreds of thousands acres allocated to them.

No racists here of course.




I agree, Mother. We're all friends here. Boongs are not a race.

Inferior culture, innit.
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Mattyfisk wrote on May 10th, 2019 at 1:56pm:
Johnnie wrote on May 10th, 2019 at 1:32pm:
Why didn't the Boongs spear all the white invaders to death when they first arrived, they had the numbers! to lazy perhaps, or perhaps they had had enough of going walkabout for 40,000yrs.

Not many of them walk very far from an alcohol outlet these days even though they have hundreds of thousands acres allocated to them.



Good question, Matty. Do you know what you are?

You're curious. You're keen to know more, dear.

Being experts with fire they could have smoked em out and then spear them, do you know why they didn't? Rum perhaps, you.
Maybe they dazzled them with a mirror.
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They didn't have the means to 'buggar it up'... not enough of them for a start - someone pointed that out days ago...

So now you want to rip down the hospitals, tear up the roads, remove the supermarkets, cut out to g'mint money, and return to a glorious past where it wasn't buggared up'?

Which nasty nation do you think will invade us then?
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Reply #91 - May 10th, 2019 at 2:14pm
 
Johnnie wrote on May 10th, 2019 at 2:04pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on May 10th, 2019 at 1:56pm:
Johnnie wrote on May 10th, 2019 at 1:32pm:
Why didn't the Boongs spear all the white invaders to death when they first arrived, they had the numbers! to lazy perhaps, or perhaps they had had enough of going walkabout for 40,000yrs.

Not many of them walk very far from an alcohol outlet these days even though they have hundreds of thousands acres allocated to them.



Good question, Matty. Do you know what you are?

You're curious. You're keen to know more, dear.

Being experts with fire they could have smoked em out and then spear them, do you know why they didn't? Rum perhaps, you.
Maybe they dazzled them with a mirror.


Couldn't organise a piss-up at a barbecue....
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Reply #92 - May 10th, 2019 at 2:21pm
 
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They didn't have the means to 'buggar it up'... not enough of them for a start - someone pointed that out days ago...

So now you want to rip down the hospitals, tear up the roads, remove the supermarkets, cut out to g'mint money, and return to a glorious past where it wasn't buggared up'?

Which nasty nation do you think will invade us then?


Again. Nobody said any of that.


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aboriginal settlements are hugely dysfunctional.
they are broken .



now when mothra or K come across one, or lets use an analogy , come across someone with a broken leg, they get out the sympathy, they get out the compassion, they tell the person, can we get you some painkillers, can we get you some food, can we make you more comfortable, how about a nice fluffy pillow for your head, how about nice chocalate bar.

when aquascoot comes across someone with a broken leg, he says,
bite on this", then he snaps that leg back into place,
then he says, stop your belly aching
then he takes the person and every day he makes him get up and do his physio.

no fluffy pillows, no choccy bars,  just brutal hard training.

and in 6 months , aquascoots guy is running around being awesome.

and mothra and Karnals guy has gangrene of the leg and is f***ked
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rhino wrote on May 10th, 2019 at 11:58am:
ah, for stating scientific fact we are now bigots and racists.



All of your facts have been refuted.

I'm on the side of science here. You're well out of date.

Lol. Nothing I have posted has been refuted. You have been totally outmatched on this subject because you only post based on emotion. You unfortunately are unaware of basic scientific fact.
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It's strange why Mothball is on this forum; she seems to detest every member on here......not that I give a schit.....she really should confine herself to the Monkey Hole Forum with the other losers who cling together like flies on cr@p........ Undecided

who knows. She makes everyone else look smart though.
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mothra wrote on May 10th, 2019 at 12:03pm:
rhino wrote on May 10th, 2019 at 11:58am:
ah, for stating scientific fact we are now bigots and racists.



All of your facts have been refuted.

I'm on the side of science here. You're well out of date.

Lol. Nothing I have posted has been refuted. You have been totally outmatched on this subject because you only post based on emotion. You unfortunately are unaware of basic scientific fact.



Firstly, i have made no claim other than that the history books are heavily biased. There is consensus of this amongst academics and really, anyone who's had a bit of a think about it.

As to your claims, what age did Captain Cook estimate Aboriginals lived to again? What was it you claimed a few pages back?
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Oh, Rhino's gone.
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It's strange why Mothball is on this forum; she seems to detest every member on here......not that I give a schit.....she really should confine herself to the Monkey Hole Forum with the other losers who cling together like flies on cr@p........ Undecided




I like quite a few on here. Interestingly, they tend to be told how much everyone hates them too.
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Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 10th, 2019 at 2:14pm:
Johnnie wrote on May 10th, 2019 at 2:04pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on May 10th, 2019 at 1:56pm:
Johnnie wrote on May 10th, 2019 at 1:32pm:
Why didn't the Boongs spear all the white invaders to death when they first arrived, they had the numbers! to lazy perhaps, or perhaps they had had enough of going walkabout for 40,000yrs.

Not many of them walk very far from an alcohol outlet these days even though they have hundreds of thousands acres allocated to them.



Good question, Matty. Do you know what you are?

You're curious. You're keen to know more, dear.

Being experts with fire they could have smoked em out and then spear them, do you know why they didn't? Rum perhaps, you.
Maybe they dazzled them with a mirror.


Couldn't organise a piss-up at a barbecue....

Or a didgeridoo at a corroboree.
Half a million Aboriginals against 200, it sounds more like the floodgates were wide open as they are today.
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Peace, brothers and sister.... (Guinness does that to you)...



I've been mistaken for a Libran in the past... just a Gemini Ox... and a gentle soul by nature, but a tough old bastard by training and conditioning...
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mothra wrote on May 10th, 2019 at 3:31pm:
rhino wrote on May 10th, 2019 at 3:26pm:
mothra wrote on May 10th, 2019 at 12:03pm:
rhino wrote on May 10th, 2019 at 11:58am:
ah, for stating scientific fact we are now bigots and racists.



All of your facts have been refuted.

I'm on the side of science here. You're well out of date.

Lol. Nothing I have posted has been refuted. You have been totally outmatched on this subject because you only post based on emotion. You unfortunately are unaware of basic scientific fact.



Firstly, i have made no claim other than that the history books are heavily biased. There is consensus of this amongst academics and really, anyone who's had a bit of a think about it.

As to your claims, what age did Captain Cook estimate Aboriginals lived to again? What was it you claimed a few pages back?



And the revised ones are not?  Let's seek balance here...

Never said one word about Aboriginal longevity - that was someone else who knows more about it than I do...

Every great commander must rely on others with relevant knowledge ... it's not a one man band you know...

I watched F-35's playing Top Gun today - one was turning tightly and the 'opponent' was following..... the opponent became target-fixated...  one and a half tight turns and suddenly a third one swooped out of nowhere on his starboard rear quarter and had him cold....

Lesson learnt ... teamwork works and don't become target-fixated.... not that they gun-fight so much these days, but a valuable lesson in keeping your eyes on your threat radar.... it's called 'never lose your situational awareness'.... that was a tight turn - bet the pilots end up with piles...
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Reply #102 - May 10th, 2019 at 5:55pm
 
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Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 10th, 2019 at 2:13pm:
They didn't have the means to 'buggar it up'... not enough of them for a start - someone pointed that out days ago...

So now you want to rip down the hospitals, tear up the roads, remove the supermarkets, cut out to g'mint money, and return to a glorious past where it wasn't buggared up'?

Which nasty nation do you think will invade us then?


Again. Nobody said any of that.





WELL........ (wait for it).......... (Wait For It)...................... Why Try To FIX it? 

Do you have a valid alternative to offer?

What exactly is 'buggared up'?
(the hospitals, the roads, the supermarkets, the g'mint money)
??????

Which 'part' would you prefer to keep, and which would you prefer to discard?

BTW - how does a nomadic tribe have 'attachment' to a specific piece of top class ocean front land, that they used to visit half the year for fish and oysters and mussels, and then spent the rest up in the High Country?  Down South in the Bega Valley region, there is a great to-do about 'traditional Aboriginal pathways' between the coast and the Snowy Region.... so did that group have a half-attachment to the lend?  Or what?  Local elders take young men and women on a trek over those paths and try to instill in them what being a man and a woman actually means.... hardly their fault that many young ones lose their way....

Mind you, in the general community down there (and here) the Aboriginals are treated with respect the same as everyone else... the problems are within their specific tribal allotments, where drugs and booze and child sex and child sex in exchange for booze and drugs and violence and such go on and on and require endless intervention....
(watch out - trigger word for the SJW, FFS)
...

Our local bridge is named after an Aboriginal woman artist... FFS....

Jesus god, madam - when are you going to smell the roses?  I have zero objection to anyone being here and arguing their corner - but surely you've begun to learn some reality by now...

The truth is out there somewhere - just not in what you preach .....
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Reply #103 - May 10th, 2019 at 6:31pm
 
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rhino wrote on May 10th, 2019 at 3:26pm:
mothra wrote on May 10th, 2019 at 12:03pm:
rhino wrote on May 10th, 2019 at 11:58am:
ah, for stating scientific fact we are now bigots and racists.



All of your facts have been refuted.

I'm on the side of science here. You're well out of date.

Lol. Nothing I have posted has been refuted. You have been totally outmatched on this subject because you only post based on emotion. You unfortunately are unaware of basic scientific fact.



Firstly, i have made no claim other than that the history books are heavily biased. There is consensus of this amongst academics and really, anyone who's had a bit of a think about it.
Of course history books can be biased, thats why its best to examine the public record of the time. One thing about western civilisation, we keep records, written records. And its all there if you look. The myth of the stolen generation is a prime example. Challenge yourself.
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As to your claims, what age did Captain Cook estimate Aboriginals lived to again? What was it you claimed a few pages back?
I don't remember stating anything about Captain Cook. Enlighten me.
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Oh, Rhino's gone.
Im on the taxpayers dime, lucky to have access to a PC today.
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They didn't have the means to 'buggar it up'... not enough of them for a start - someone pointed that out days ago...

So now you want to rip down the hospitals, tear up the roads, remove the supermarkets, cut out to g'mint money, and return to a glorious past where it wasn't buggared up'?

Which nasty nation do you think will invade us then?


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If it wasn't for the Nantucket USA Whalers - the British 'colony' here would have failed dismally.

The Aboriginal Calenders are far more accurate for Australia than the silly 4 seasons 'Western' one.
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If it wasn't for the Nantucket USA Whalers - the British 'colony' here would have failed dismally.

The Aboriginal Calenders are far more accurate for Australia than the silly 4 seasons 'Western' one.



Ahhhh... yeah... man... right.... I dig it....   Shocked
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Reply #108 - May 10th, 2019 at 10:44pm
 
Jasin wrote on May 10th, 2019 at 10:27pm:
If it wasn't for the Nantucket USA Whalers - the British 'colony' here would have failed dismally.

The Aboriginal Calenders are far more accurate for Australia than the silly 4 seasons 'Western' one.
God you post some absolute absurd nonsense.
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Look, .JaSin - I can look at the sky and give a pretty good rendition of the weather events... I went to the local Bowlo one night and some Grey Nomads were there, and asked about the weather.. I looked to the West and said - there's something coming from down there.... later that night it poured and lightninged like it was going out of style..

ANYONE who has 'connection' with the 'lend' can tell you what the weather is going to do - it ain't Aboriginal rocket science....  I've been on the lend for a long time and I am pretty good with reading the portents.. as is Bluey the Tongue in the backyard... Blue-Tongues know more about weather than any Black or White Man...... or woman (sorry - gotta be inclusive)... (damn - still remiss)....
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Reply #110 - May 10th, 2019 at 11:59pm
 
mothra wrote on May 10th, 2019 at 2:21pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 10th, 2019 at 2:13pm:
They didn't have the means to 'buggar it up'... not enough of them for a start - someone pointed that out days ago...

So now you want to rip down the hospitals, tear up the roads, remove the supermarkets, cut out to g'mint money, and return to a glorious past where it wasn't buggared up'?

Which nasty nation do you think will invade us then?


Again. Nobody said any of that.




Grappler's not racist, Mother. Some of his best friends had a Boong at their school.

Homo, for instance. There you go.
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aquascoot wrote on May 10th, 2019 at 2:34pm:
aboriginal settlements are hugely dysfunctional.
they are broken .



now when mothra or K come across one, or lets use an analogy , come across someone with a broken leg, they get out the sympathy, they get out the compassion, they tell the person, can we get you some painkillers, can we get you some food, can we make you more comfortable, how about a nice fluffy pillow for your head, how about nice chocalate bar.

when aquascoot comes across someone with a broken leg, he says,
bite on this", then he snaps that leg back into place,
then he says, stop your belly aching
then he takes the person and every day he makes him get up and do his physio.

no fluffy pillows, no choccy bars,  just brutal hard training.

and in 6 months , aquascoots guy is running around being awesome.

and mothra and Karnals guy has gangrene of the leg and is f***ked


Good on you, dear. I usually call for an ambulance.

But I'm curious. How many broken bones have you snapped into place?
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Reply #112 - May 11th, 2019 at 12:06am
 
rhino wrote on May 10th, 2019 at 3:26pm:
mothra wrote on May 10th, 2019 at 12:03pm:
rhino wrote on May 10th, 2019 at 11:58am:
ah, for stating scientific fact we are now bigots and racists.



All of your facts have been refuted.

I'm on the side of science here. You're well out of date.

Lol. Nothing I have posted has been refuted. You have been totally outmatched on this subject because you only post based on emotion. You unfortunately are unaware of basic scientific fact.


Exactly. The 1770 Boong census has been widely published.

How else would we compare the average Boong lifespan data, eh?

Leftards. Won't even snap a bone back into place. Typical.
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Reply #113 - May 11th, 2019 at 12:19am
 
Mattyfisk wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 12:06am:
rhino wrote on May 10th, 2019 at 3:26pm:
mothra wrote on May 10th, 2019 at 12:03pm:
rhino wrote on May 10th, 2019 at 11:58am:
ah, for stating scientific fact we are now bigots and racists.



All of your facts have been refuted.

I'm on the side of science here. You're well out of date.

Lol. Nothing I have posted has been refuted. You have been totally outmatched on this subject because you only post based on emotion. You unfortunately are unaware of basic scientific fact.


Exactly. The 1770 Boong census has been widely published.

How else would we compare the average Boong lifespan data, eh?

Leftards. Won't even snap a bone back into place. Typical.


Ah - but my 1776 Boong Census, as recorded, over-rides yours of 1770... it incorporates those in scientific institutions as well - not just the local tribes!!!!   Cool
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Reply #114 - May 11th, 2019 at 12:35am
 
Mattyfisk wrote on May 10th, 2019 at 11:59pm:
mothra wrote on May 10th, 2019 at 2:21pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 10th, 2019 at 2:13pm:
They didn't have the means to 'buggar it up'... not enough of them for a start - someone pointed that out days ago...

So now you want to rip down the hospitals, tear up the roads, remove the supermarkets, cut out to g'mint money, and return to a glorious past where it wasn't buggared up'?

Which nasty nation do you think will invade us then?


Again. Nobody said any of that.




Grappler's not racist, Mother. Some of his best friends had a Boong at their school.

Homo, for instance. There you go.


I went to school with Boongs, Krauts, Polacks, Russkies, Eyeties, Dutchies, Poms, half breed Scots/Polish, Irish, Scots, Croats, Grecos, Ukrainians - you name it... some of my school mates were Russkies.. Sav springs to mind... across the road were some White Russians.... the Danes held a spot in the family tree of my neighbour - a Kraut.... our next door neighbour was a very nice Italian with a neurotic wife.... Joe was a good man, gave us kids a little red wine and olives and stuff...just a really nice Roman Italian guy with a heart as big as Texas...

I doubt any of you current lot have a single leg to stand on.... you racist bastards who hate anything White and Anglo-Celtic... go stuff yourselves.... we REAL Australians will do very well without you...

... me being part German Jewish, Irish, Scottish, Chinese and a few other things that happened along... if you listen to my mother, some North American Plains Indian.. got the blood type to prove it... Chief Joseph's lot... the Montana Branch....

Cool

We're all a mix and those who cause such dissension and strife by calling out others here, need a thorough rendering of reality to get their minds right....
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Aboriginal Science

Was there a consensus.....??
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just had a quick scan through this thread after avoiding it for suspicion of more of the usual from the forums racists and xenophobes

I should have trusted my first instincts. So many with a superiority complex on here that can only feel good by telling themselves how much better they are  Roll Eyes
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Fear and Loathing in Las Ozpol...

Look - when I come here for some pointless hatred, try to make it worth my while...

Your refusal to discuss, as usual, is noted....
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Aboriginal Science

Was there a consensus.....??



Yes - both the 'scientists' involved agreed it was a great idea to stir people up for no reason... the
Aboriginal Academy of Applied and Esoteric Sciences (founded in 20016 BC)  agreed totally, and even offered funding from the FedGuv....
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Reply #119 - May 11th, 2019 at 10:18am
 
John Smith wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 8:45am:
just had a quick scan through this thread after avoiding it for suspicion of more of the usual from the forums racists and xenophobes

I should have trusted my first instincts. So many with a superiority complex on here that can only feel good by telling themselves how much better they are  Roll Eyes


Never said I was 'better', Smith - just pointed out silly notions....

Your value judgement here, of course, shows clearly that you consider yourself better.....

Got any proof of Koon Science?  Apart from a conjecture that all 400,000 of them didn't do much to upset the fragile ecology etc, apart from hunt and fish?

" The population of Indigenous Australians at the time of permanent European settlement is contentious and has been estimated at between 318,000 and 1,000,000 with the distribution being similar to that of the current Australian population, the majority living in the south-east, centred along the Murray River"...

Obviously a science-based decision to live in the more fertile and watered areas... must have taken centuries of study, or did they work it out from overflights in faster than light airships, or from satellite photos?
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Reply #120 - May 11th, 2019 at 10:33am
 
Didn't use metal
No animal husbandry
No significant structures
No written language
No mathematics
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Reply #121 - May 11th, 2019 at 10:42am
 
Now if you're all happy to use the simple term 'science' - meaning simply knowledge - instead of Science- meaning organised and verified knowledge - we can all go home now.....

Certainly they had some knowledge... and within certain parameters it worked for them .. but that was long ago.... and those parameters no longer apply.
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Reply #122 - May 11th, 2019 at 11:53am
 
John Smith wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 8:45am:
just had a quick scan through this thread after avoiding it for suspicion of more of the usual from the forums racists and xenophobes

I should have trusted my first instincts. So many with a superiority complex on here that can only feel good by telling themselves how much better they are  Roll Eyes


  Smiley

most people grew out of the "my culture is better than your culture" when they left primary school


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Didn't use metal
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No significant structures
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No animal husbandry



what animal should they have 'farmed'?
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Who wiped out all the Tasmanian Tigers?
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It's a long thread

anyone mentioned infanticide as birth control?
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It's a long thread

anyone mentioned infanticide as birth control?


Oh indeed. We're yet to see any evidence of this, but Homo had one at his school, so it's all good.
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It's a long thread

anyone mentioned infanticide as birth control?


Oh indeed. I'm yet to see any evidence of this, but Homo had one at his school, so it's all good.



Yet to see any evidence?

I had you down as a reasonably educated individual
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Mattyfisk wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 4:46pm:
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It's a long thread

anyone mentioned infanticide as birth control?


Oh indeed. I'm yet to see any evidence of this, but Homo had one at his school, so it's all good.



Yet to see any evidence?

I had you down as a reasonably educated individual


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Reply #130 - May 11th, 2019 at 6:24pm
 
I suppose uniquely amongst humans it is possible that aboriginals never practiced infanticide. 

But then again, uniquely amongst humans,  aboriginals are woodland fairies, conservationists, spiritual beings, almost elementals.  Rather  than acknowledge that aboriginals are human and tribal humans at that, instead in the psyche of the left they occupy a special space and apart from humanity.

So much so that Karnal is not actually demanding proof of infanticide but proof of humanity. Roll Eyes
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Reply #131 - May 11th, 2019 at 7:06pm
 
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Gordon wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 10:33am:
No animal husbandry



what animal should they have 'farmed'?


Ah - so now you're arguing that the lack of animals to husband signifies their skill at animal husbandry?

What about the endless plains of farmland?  Plenty of opportunity for cropping there in an organised society.
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1/3rd of the way into Dark Emu (I read it while I ...work  Cheesy)

Seems the Aboriginals did have 'Houses', they did have Villages and even Towns of thousands of people.
They had Agriculture, having harvested Rice ten thousand years before the weaker quality Asian grains came into being.
They had hundreds of assorted 'Grains' that they stockpiled in the tonnes!!
Sadly their Homes to Townships were made of 'perishable' materials that were not archeologically forgiving. They were big complexes too.
Their Wheat Belt covered right across the country from West to East. Those Deserts were not 'deserts' to them.

The majority of these Proofs come in the form of writings from all the Explorers and Settlers that ventured out there. Even sketches and artworks, only now - coming to light.

Of course another big factor was that the Colony had a 'destructive' aspect of purposely destroying anything and everything of Aboriginal influence. Stockpiles were raided - everything was exploited as well. Hooved animals of Cattle and Sheep ruined the land they compacted from being 'fertile aerated soil', within just a few years of occupation.
Anything Aboriginal was considered opportunistic hunter-gather, like what many other 'peoples' suffered at the hands of Colonisations around the world. It was almost like what Rhodes did to Zimbabwe. Denial went a long way in Australia.
Not worth investigating that the stone artifacts that were listed as 'phallic ornaments' - were actually part of an extensive Tool Kit, with one being the earliest 'edge-axe' date ages long before such tools were used in any other part of the world.
Even the rock hard Midden of SA is dated to - wait for it  Wink
80,000 - 100,000 years ago!  Shocked
So the Aboriginals are thus 'before' the famous OUT OF AFRICA period by a long shot.
If not, then Australia was definitely populated by latter Hominid species!  Lips Sealed

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btw - they had exstensive 'Husbandry' and early  proofed writings show of 'natural' abilities on horses, by the Settlers and Explorers.

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Reply #134 - May 11th, 2019 at 7:22pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 7:06pm:
John Smith wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 2:36pm:
Gordon wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 10:33am:
No animal husbandry



what animal should they have 'farmed'?


Ah - so now you're arguing that the lack of animals to husband signifies their skill at animal husbandry?

What about the endless plains of farmland?  Plenty of opportunity for cropping there in an organised society.


what crop?


Historically, societies have only ever flourished and progressed where they have had hoofed animals and grain crops to feed those animals. Without those they are limited to living the life of nomads, following the animals and native fruits and seeds with the seasons. Nomadic people don't have time to be inventive... they're to busy looking for their next meal.

So what animals were Aborigines supposed to farm? What crops?

Perhaps you think they were able to keep kangaroos fenced up?  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


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Reply #135 - May 11th, 2019 at 7:32pm
 
Well, the two Koori plays in my theatre deep near The Heartland of Redfun, biggest Koori town in Australia - are doing very well...

How are your contributions to Koori culture going?  Coupla demos?  Bit of rabble rousing?  Flag waving?  Empty calls from your comfortable lounge room to give back the property etc to the 'original owners?
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John Smith wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 7:22pm:
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Gordon wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 10:33am:
No animal husbandry



what animal should they have 'farmed'?


Ah - so now you're arguing that the lack of animals to husband signifies their skill at animal husbandry?

What about the endless plains of farmland?  Plenty of opportunity for cropping there in an organised society.


what crop?


Historically, societies have only ever flourished and progressed where they have had hoofed animals and grain crops to feed those animals. Without those they are limited to living the life of nomads, following the animals and native fruits and seeds with the seasons. Nomadic people don't have time to be inventive... they're to busy looking for their next meal.

So what animals were Aborigines supposed to farm? What crops?

Perhaps you think they were able to keep kangaroos fenced up?  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy




You're  running after yourself in a circle, Smith - it was you (and your kind) who reckoned they  had all these skills - I never for a moment suggested they herded any animals.... mind you, they could capture and herd goats these days - plenty of those around.... deer.. you name it... round 'em up with the Wharte Man's ute, use the Wharte Man's wire to fence them in.. transport to market for Wharte Man's dollars on the Wharte Man's trucks....

No cropping - no animal husbandry..damn... that leaves only Astronomy, Archaeology, Nuclear Science, Medicine, and so forth for the Originals to flourish in... pretty good at STEM, were they?

Let's return to my former statement - just agree that you are using 'science' in the meaning of simple knowledge, and leave Science in the meaning of organised, reviewed and structured knowledge out of it...
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They had their own techniques of 'coralling' the Roos and they took the Bull Males and the Roos flourished by greater genetic diversity among breeding males left to breed as the new Dominant Male.

They had fishing nets far better and longer than anything going around at that time period - some 100m in length.
They had many innovative techniques and 'devices' that gave an almost 'lazy' approach to attaining always sustainable food. They had massive 'Haycocks'.

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mothra wrote on May 10th, 2019 at 12:02pm:
Gnads wrote on May 10th, 2019 at 9:00am:
You & those like you are the problem .... paint a bullshyte picture/make up new findings to paint a basic history in a better light.




"Basic history in a better light".

Just reflect on those words. What we are reading is that Gonads thinks that that because it is of little or no worth to him, it is of little value. "Better light"? Just speaks volumes, right there.

It is imperative that people like Gonads believe the version of history that most undervalues (in Gonad's sense of the word value that is) Aboriginal people.

It's so much easier to look down on them from up there.

Also, it's so much easier to live what what was done and is being done to them.

Why else would you resist the basic and so overwhelmingly supported conclusion that the history books are incredibly biased and more recent examination of early accounts and ongoing scientific exploration has led us to advance our understanding of what the First People were actually like? Nothing outrageous is being claimed. Just that they were more developed than we've been led to believe.

And you don't even look at things on a case by case basis! It's all bullshit to you.

They invented a stick. Right? That's all you'll give them.




My view no matter what you want to make up to it's description is far better and realistic than...

the fabricated bullshyte you want to apply in changing history.

It seems that everyone who came before, that collated historical observation are all liars according to you and the modern professionals you quote.
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Reply #140 - May 11th, 2019 at 8:16pm
 
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Oh, and i don't mind in the slightest if i alienate you or anyone remotely like you. I don't like you at all.



The feeling is mutual and I'm sure there are more who feel the same way about you.
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Reply #141 - May 11th, 2019 at 8:29pm
 
aquascoot wrote on May 10th, 2019 at 2:34pm:
aboriginal settlements are hugely dysfunctional.
they are broken .



now when mothra or K come across one, or lets use an analogy , come across someone with a broken leg, they get out the sympathy, they get out the compassion, they tell the person, can we get you some painkillers, can we get you some food, can we make you more comfortable, how about a nice fluffy pillow for your head, how about nice chocalate bar.

when aquascoot comes across someone with a broken leg, he says,
bite on this", then he snaps that leg back into place,
then he says, stop your belly aching
then he takes the person and every day he makes him get up and do his physio.

no fluffy pillows, no choccy bars,  just brutal hard training.

and in 6 months , aquascoots guy is running around being awesome.

and mothra and Karnals guy has gangrene of the leg and is f***ked


Grin come on Scoot... that's a bit OTT even for you.

You're sounding like Foreskin Fred the Bastard from the Bush. Tongue
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Reply #142 - May 11th, 2019 at 8:42pm
 
The_Barnacle wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 11:53am:
John Smith wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 8:45am:
just had a quick scan through this thread after avoiding it for suspicion of more of the usual from the forums racists and xenophobes

I should have trusted my first instincts. So many with a superiority complex on here that can only feel good by telling themselves how much better they are  Roll Eyes


  Smiley

most people grew out of the "my culture is better than your culture" when they left primary school




Actually at Primary School the "my culture  is better than your culture" never existed.

Seems like an adult like you making  a childish anecdote.
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Reply #143 - May 11th, 2019 at 8:49pm
 
John Smith wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 2:36pm:
Gordon wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 10:33am:
No animal husbandry



what animal should they have 'farmed'?


Theres more to Animal husbandry than just farming.


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Reply #144 - May 11th, 2019 at 9:06pm
 
Jasin wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 7:19pm:
btw - they had exstensive 'Husbandry' and early  proofed writings show of 'natural' abilities on horses, by the Settlers and Explorers.



There were no horses here prior to whitey.

But no one has ever doubted their ability at being good stockmen/horsemen.

I watched a doco with artist Jack Absolom who was on a central Aus station watching Aboriginal stockmen working/drafting cattle in a set of yards.

He praised their ability as stockmen but pointed out they were having continual trouble trying to get cattle through one gate all because there was a dead beast near the gate.

Absolom said.... the cattle were spooked by the carcass that was old, quite flat just bone wrapped in hide.

All that needed to be done was to put a rope around a leg or the horns of the skull and drag it out of the yards.... but they left it there and spent hours trying to get cattle through that gate.

What's that say about natural ability/ nous?
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Reply #145 - May 11th, 2019 at 9:10pm
 
Jasin wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 7:45pm:
They had their own techniques of 'coralling' the Roos and they took the Bull Males and the Roos flourished by greater genetic diversity among breeding males left to breed as the new Dominant Male.

They had fishing nets far better and longer than anything going around at that time period - some 100m in length.
They had many innovative techniques and 'devices' that gave an almost 'lazy' approach to attaining always sustainable food. They had massive 'Haycocks'.



Grin Grin Grin you're outdoing yourself
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Reply #146 - May 11th, 2019 at 10:11pm
 
Gnads wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 8:16pm:
mothra wrote on May 10th, 2019 at 12:44pm:
Oh, and i don't mind in the slightest if i alienate you or anyone remotely like you. I don't like you at all.



The feeling is mutual and I'm sure there are more who feel the same way about you.


Yes - but her lack of caring holds more power than yours because she is on the path of righteousness... just ask her....  Roll Eyes
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Reply #147 - May 11th, 2019 at 10:13pm
 
Jasin wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 7:45pm:
They had their own techniques of 'coralling' the Roos and they took the Bull Males and the Roos flourished by greater genetic diversity among breeding males left to breed as the new Dominant Male.

They had fishing nets far better and longer than anything going around at that time period - some 100m in length.
They had many innovative techniques and 'devices' that gave an almost 'lazy' approach to attaining always sustainable food. They had massive 'Haycocks'.



I know they used rocks to build fish traps - pretty cluey...
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Reply #148 - May 12th, 2019 at 9:40am
 
Gnads wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 8:49pm:
John Smith wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 2:36pm:
Gordon wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 10:33am:
No animal husbandry



what animal should they have 'farmed'?


Theres more to Animal husbandry than just farming.




not at that level there isn't
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Reply #149 - May 12th, 2019 at 9:56am
 
Some of the animals they sent extinct probably would have made good farm animals.
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Reply #150 - May 12th, 2019 at 3:10pm
 
mothra wrote on May 10th, 2019 at 1:35pm:
Johnnie wrote on May 10th, 2019 at 1:32pm:
Why didn't the Boongs spear all the white invaders to death when they first arrived, they had the numbers! to lazy perhaps, or perhaps they had had enough of going walkabout for 40,000yrs.

Not many of them walk very far from an alcohol outlet these days even though they have hundreds of thousands acres allocated to them.







No racists here, of course.


The more you lot keep apologizing the worse they become.

Have a look around some country towns where they congregate if you don't believe me, they even have restrictions on where their dole spending goes.

The racist thing is wearing thin, I wish the Boongs all the best.
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Reply #151 - May 12th, 2019 at 9:19pm
 
John Smith wrote on May 12th, 2019 at 9:40am:
Gnads wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 8:49pm:
John Smith wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 2:36pm:
Gordon wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 10:33am:
No animal husbandry



what animal should they have 'farmed'?


Theres more to Animal husbandry than just farming.




not at that level there isn't


What level are you referring to?

Lighting up the bush to flush out the tucker?
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Reply #152 - May 12th, 2019 at 9:55pm
 
freediver wrote on May 12th, 2019 at 9:56am:
Some of the animals they sent extinct probably would have made good farm animals.


The extinct are not a race.
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Reply #153 - May 12th, 2019 at 10:07pm
 
Let's get this perfectly straight - are we supposed to be talking about Aboriginal Science.. as developed by Aboriginals.....

...or purported science that suggests that there was more to Aboriginal culture than nomadic trotting about the landscape?

I know mothra - as a self-proclaimed 'educated' person (I think 'she' is a gay stirrer) - tends to simply place misleading titles in her strands, for her own rather odd reasons and possibly lack of any genuine knowledge - but a little clarification at this point in this endless rubbish about Aboriginal Science would be appropriate, don' 'cha think?

This silly discussion has gone on long enough, with more than enough name-calling and the same old usual suspect rubbishing of anyone who disagrees with them... it's called trolling...

Anyone?  Anyone?

The Booris had no Science...... simple really... none at all.... so what are we even bothering with here with this endless nonsense?  Just your broken egos?   Roll Eyes
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Reply #154 - May 13th, 2019 at 5:36am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 12th, 2019 at 10:07pm:
Let's get this perfectly straight - are we supposed to be talking about Aboriginal Science.. as developed by Aboriginals.....

...or purported science that suggests that there was more to Aboriginal culture than nomadic trotting about the landscape?

I know mothra - as a self-proclaimed 'educated' person (I think 'she' is a gay stirrer) - tends to simply place misleading titles in her strands, for her own rather odd reasons and possibly lack of any genuine knowledge - but a little clarification at this point in this endless rubbish about Aboriginal Science would be appropriate, don' 'cha think?

This silly discussion has gone on long enough, with more than enough name-calling and the same old usual suspect rubbishing of anyone who disagrees with them... it's called trolling...

Anyone?  Anyone?

The Booris had no Science...... simple really... none at all.... so what are we even bothering with here with this endless nonsense?  Just your broken egos?   Roll Eyes


Exactly

They were a pre-stone age collection of individual family groups.
Could not even lash a rock to a stick or make a fire from scratch.

No science there, no matter how hard the sychophant virtue signallers try.
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Reply #155 - May 13th, 2019 at 11:01am
 
Valkie wrote on May 13th, 2019 at 5:36am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 12th, 2019 at 10:07pm:
Let's get this perfectly straight - are we supposed to be talking about Aboriginal Science.. as developed by Aboriginals.....

...or purported science that suggests that there was more to Aboriginal culture than nomadic trotting about the landscape?

I know mothra - as a self-proclaimed 'educated' person (I think 'she' is a gay stirrer) - tends to simply place misleading titles in her strands, for her own rather odd reasons and possibly lack of any genuine knowledge - but a little clarification at this point in this endless rubbish about Aboriginal Science would be appropriate, don' 'cha think?

This silly discussion has gone on long enough, with more than enough name-calling and the same old usual suspect rubbishing of anyone who disagrees with them... it's called trolling...

Anyone?  Anyone?

The Booris had no Science...... simple really... none at all.... so what are we even bothering with here with this endless nonsense?  Just your broken egos?   Roll Eyes


Exactly

They were a pre-stone age collection of individual family groups.
Could not even lash a rock to a stick or make a fire from scratch.

No science there, no matter how hard the sychophant virtue signallers try.


Excuse me, they invented a stick.

Scientific, innit.
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Reply #156 - May 13th, 2019 at 11:35am
 
Don't forget the "musical instrument"  they invented, aka the digeridoo, which plays a monotonous single tone. Did none of them figure out in their 80,000 year history to drill  a few holes in it to create different tunes. This wasnt a lack of resources, this was a lack of innovation.
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They're all sticks, Rhino.

When did it become 80,000 years? The meme's only up to 40,000.
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Reply #158 - May 13th, 2019 at 12:07pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 12th, 2019 at 10:07pm:
Let's get this perfectly straight - are we supposed to be talking about Aboriginal Science.. as developed by Aboriginals.....

...or purported science that suggests that there was more to Aboriginal culture than nomadic trotting about the landscape?

I know mothra - as a self-proclaimed 'educated' person (I think 'she' is a gay stirrer) - tends to simply place misleading titles in her strands, for her own rather odd reasons and possibly lack of any genuine knowledge - but a little clarification at this point in this endless rubbish about Aboriginal Science would be appropriate, don' 'cha think?

This silly discussion has gone on long enough, with more than enough name-calling and the same old usual suspect rubbishing of anyone who disagrees with them... it's called trolling...

Anyone?  Anyone?

The Booris had no Science...... simple really... none at all.... so what are we even bothering with here with this endless nonsense?  Just your broken egos?   Roll Eyes




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Reply #159 - May 13th, 2019 at 12:12pm
 
Valkie wrote on May 13th, 2019 at 5:36am:
No science there, no matter how hard the sychophant virtue signallers try.


You do realise that Jasin started this thread as a dog whistle to all the right wing loonies
11 pages later they are still going strong

Does this sort of thing make you feel better about yourselves?
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Reply #160 - May 13th, 2019 at 1:39pm
 
The_Barnacle wrote on May 13th, 2019 at 12:12pm:
Valkie wrote on May 13th, 2019 at 5:36am:
No science there, no matter how hard the sychophant virtue signallers try.


You do realise that Jasin started this thread as a dog whistle to all the right wing loonies
11 pages later they are still going strong

Does this sort of thing make you feel better about yourselves?


They're just signalling their superior virtue, Barnacle. They made lots of inventions, you see.
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Reply #161 - May 13th, 2019 at 1:57pm
 
The Aboriginals were master chemists they discovered the soap tree, (Australian Native Plant Profile: Soap Tree (Alphitonia Excelsa)) They worked out that if they add water it lathered up just like soap, not that they use soap.
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Reply #162 - May 13th, 2019 at 2:28pm
 
Mattyfisk wrote on May 13th, 2019 at 12:02pm:
They're all sticks, Rhino.

When did it become 80,000 years? The meme's only up to 40,000.

Im surprised the memes haven't caught up.
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Reply #163 - May 13th, 2019 at 3:26pm
 
The_Barnacle wrote on May 13th, 2019 at 12:12pm:
Valkie wrote on May 13th, 2019 at 5:36am:
No science there, no matter how hard the sychophant virtue signallers try.


You do realise that Jasin started this thread as a dog whistle to all the right wing loonies
11 pages later they are still going strong

Does this sort of thing make you feel better about yourselves?


It does. It does make them feel better about themselves. Telling, no?
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Reply #164 - May 13th, 2019 at 5:25pm
 
Gnads wrote on May 12th, 2019 at 9:19pm:
John Smith wrote on May 12th, 2019 at 9:40am:
Gnads wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 8:49pm:
John Smith wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 2:36pm:
Gordon wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 10:33am:
No animal husbandry



what animal should they have 'farmed'?


Theres more to Animal husbandry than just farming.




not at that level there isn't


What level are you referring to?

Lighting up the bush to flush out the tucker?



the level where you change from nomadic tribe to a grazier tribe.
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Reply #165 - May 13th, 2019 at 6:14pm
 
Of course the 'Boongs' aren't going to measure up in the Political World, the way everyone wants. The Aboriginal women seem to excel better then the Men.
In the Political world - they are just drunk/drugged losers.

But hey!

Ever see the Whiteys at Farming? Pretty crap compared to the Darkies. Hell, the more I read this book, the more I see that many of the Aboriginal methods and even some tools were better and of higher quality than the Europeans at the 1788 era and better suited to this land - unlike Europeans who tried to pretend they were still in Europe.

But of course, we now see the Blue Brunette Spin Doctors and Raven Haired Grey Car Salesmen of Politics are kinda looking a bit short of the 'stick' when it comes to Ranga Red Males and Blonde 'real' White Males. Grin

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Reply #166 - May 14th, 2019 at 6:51am
 
I saw abo science yesterday.
This coon was pulling cones in the park and his bong was an old glass beaker. That's abo science....NO?
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Reply #167 - May 18th, 2019 at 9:34pm
 
Bradshaw rock art is in dispute.
Strong evidence for it being 'Pre-Aboriginal' and estimated at 120,000 years ago.
Hominids?
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Reply #168 - May 18th, 2019 at 11:30pm
 
This still got legs?
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Reply #169 - May 18th, 2019 at 11:33pm
 
They didn't even have archery.
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Reply #170 - May 18th, 2019 at 11:35pm
 
mothra wrote on May 13th, 2019 at 3:26pm:
The_Barnacle wrote on May 13th, 2019 at 12:12pm:
Valkie wrote on May 13th, 2019 at 5:36am:
No science there, no matter how hard the sychophant virtue signallers try.


You do realise that Jasin started this thread as a dog whistle to all the right wing loonies
11 pages later they are still going strong

Does this sort of thing make you feel better about yourselves?


It does. It does make them feel better about themselves. Telling, no?


And your position doesn't make you feel better about yourself?  Telling, no?

It's all about who can score points on someone else - and 'right wing' or not, there was no Aboriginal science... as some 'left wing loonies' seek to suggest there was... and you and Smith etc are no better than some diaphanous 'right wing loonie' when it comes to trying to score points.... nobody has to be 'right wing' at all to know there was no Aboriginal science....

Children... children....   Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes
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Reply #171 - May 19th, 2019 at 9:48am
 
John Smith wrote on May 13th, 2019 at 5:25pm:
Gnads wrote on May 12th, 2019 at 9:19pm:
John Smith wrote on May 12th, 2019 at 9:40am:
Gnads wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 8:49pm:
John Smith wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 2:36pm:
Gordon wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 10:33am:
No animal husbandry



what animal should they have 'farmed'?


Theres more to Animal husbandry than just farming.




not at that level there isn't


What level are you referring to?

Lighting up the bush to flush out the tucker?



the level where you change from nomadic tribe to a grazier tribe.


When was/is that going to happen?

Should the First Fleet have Put off arrival until that had occurred?

You know give them say another 40,000 years to catch up? Roll Eyes
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Reply #172 - May 19th, 2019 at 12:07pm
 
Mid-Term assignment, due 18th June. 10% of total final mark (we mark hard at Grappler Free U - the REAL U).

Read the following excerpt from -

Blossoms In the Wind - Human Legacies of the Kamikaze , M.G Sheftall.


a. Determine and explain  the underlying factors in generation of a group psyche as described in the excerpt.

b.  Seek similar group psyches occurring today, discover their root causes, expound on those in comparison with that shown by Sheftall as pertaining to pre-WW II Japanese society.

c.  Consider the effect of the same values ascribed to the West by such 'new' groups in the development and continuation of such group psyches - define the group(s) you are considering.

d.  Is the West, therefore, condemned to fight an endless series of wars, due to the group psyches developed as described.....and if so .. what is the level of preparedness, both physically and spiritually, of the West?

"Educated Japanese males of Onishi's generation who had spent their time living and studying in the West - especially America - tended to harbour extreme feelings at both ends of a love-hate continuum toward their former hosts and teachers, ranging from unabashed schoolboy hero worship to utter repulsion fueled by a desperate need to believe in their own racial and cultural superiority.  The emotional packages of most comprised a tortuous Freudian melange of admiration and inferiority complex: a healthy respect for the Westerner's technological prowess, material abundance and sheer physical size; disdain for their shameless materialism, their smug, easy pride, their maddeningly nonchalant tolerance of disorder, their racist immigrant legislation and the woeful history of the American Negro.  Not to mention the poisonous, half-buried memories of patronising cocktail party slights ("Oh, your English is excellent.  Were you taught by missionaries?"), sneering hotel clerks, withering locker room anxiety, and the impotent rage of coming home to see giggling Japanese girls on the arms of strapping white men in the streets of the larger port cities.  Just as everyone tapping pointers on maps in the war rooms of Tokyo and cutting orders for young men to die at the front carried his own personal portfolio of similar psychological baggage regarding Westerners, none of them ever really expected the nation to win its duel to the death with the West - win, that is, in the sense of Japanese troops marching down Pennsylvania Avenue and pitching their tents on the White House lawn.  Nor did they see the war as being pursued primarily for the practical strategic objectives of securing vital industrial resources and fuel.  Seeing it in such simple terms was to confuse means with ends.

The goal, really, had always been, first and foremost, to humble the West - to daub the teacher's face with mud - by kicking the white man out of Asia and bringing about an end, once and for all, win or lose, of what former Prime Minister Konoe had so aptly termed Ango-Saxon global hegemony.  The Caucasian bogeyman - and the unspeakable fear that he might really be the superior being he seemed to think himself - had whispered in the ear and haunted the nightmares of the Japanese psyche for the last ninety years, since Commodore Matthew C Perry's Black Ships first fouled the waters of Uraga Bay, humiliating the nation by forcing it to accommodate to Americans and their insulting demands."



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Reply #173 - May 19th, 2019 at 2:04pm
 
Gordon wrote on May 18th, 2019 at 11:33pm:
They didn't even have archery.


How can they have had archery?
They couldn't even work out how to lash a rock to a stick.

To invent the bow and arrow would require a quantum leap of science for the aboriginals.
Firstly, working out that a stick bends.
Then lashing a string to said stick........oops that's that stuffed.
Then , in order to have some penetrating mass, a sharp stone needs to be lashed to the end of the arrow.........oops, stuffed again.
Then , in order to give the arrow some accuracy, feathers have to be lashed to the arrow...........oops, stuffed again.

So
Archery would never have been invented

The sharpened sticks by rubbing them on rocks
About the only science they practiced was that they heated the sticks they threw and bent them straight.

Aboriginal science.....oxymoronic
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Gnads wrote on May 19th, 2019 at 9:48am:
John Smith wrote on May 13th, 2019 at 5:25pm:
Gnads wrote on May 12th, 2019 at 9:19pm:
John Smith wrote on May 12th, 2019 at 9:40am:
Gnads wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 8:49pm:
John Smith wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 2:36pm:
Gordon wrote on May 11th, 2019 at 10:33am:
No animal husbandry



what animal should they have 'farmed'?


Theres more to Animal husbandry than just farming.




not at that level there isn't


What level are you referring to?

Lighting up the bush to flush out the tucker?



the level where you change from nomadic tribe to a grazier tribe.


When was/is that going to happen?

Should the First Fleet have Put off arrival until that had occurred?

You know give them say another 40,000 years to catch up? Roll Eyes


do you always struggle to keep up?

It was never going to happen. Without hoofed animals to farm and grain feed for them, no society has ever progressed beyond nomadic.
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Mattyfisk wrote on May 7th, 2019 at 11:01pm:
Excuse me, they invented a stick.

Scientific, innit.


Well yes, they did. They invented a 'stick' that can come back to them, when they throw it away. They were definitely the most sustainable, stable and most democratic society. Nothing was wasted and thrown away - not even a 'stick'.
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Btw - the 'nomadic Hunter Gatherer' label was invented by Europeans to 'degrade' the Aboriginal culture which, 'as evidenced' in recent books, was AGRICULTURAL.

You're all blinded by the big LIE taught to you at Schools which was no different to a North Korean propaganda machine that was designed to undermine the Aboriginal culture like Rhodes tried against the Shona/Ndbele in Zimbabwe - but 'failed'.
Difference here, was that the British 'Propaganda machine' worked and with added violence of 'destroying' everything associated with Aboriginal existence here... I guess a nation of Farmers could not compete due to being used to a Peace on Earth, that White People could only dream of.
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Jasin wrote on May 19th, 2019 at 5:59pm:
Btw - the 'nomadic Hunter Gatherer' label was invented by Europeans to 'degrade' the Aboriginal culture which, 'as evidenced' in recent books, was AGRICULTURAL.

You're all blinded by the big LIE taught to you at Schools which was no different to a North Korean propaganda machine that was designed to undermine the Aboriginal culture like Rhodes tried against the Shona/Ndbele in Zimbabwe - but 'failed'.
Difference here, was that the British 'Propaganda machine' worked and with added violence of 'destroying' everything associated with Aboriginal existence here... I guess a nation of Farmers could not compete due to being used to a Peace on Earth, that White People could only dream of.


Who is living the lie?

They were nomadic.
There was and still is zero evidence of any agricultural society what so ever.
The only land management they did was to set fore to everything, and only that so they could wander through the ashes and pick up the carcasses.
And as for peace on earth
You have to be kidding.
They led a brutal, primitive and violent existence
And It is carried over to this day

One of the highest demographics of domestic violence and pedophilia.
They can't get together without a fight
And if they weren't drunk all the time they woukd be violent to everyone around them.

These are the facts about the wonderful, peaceful garden of Eden you are trying to convince people of.


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Valkie wrote on May 19th, 2019 at 6:50pm:
Jasin wrote on May 19th, 2019 at 5:59pm:
Btw - the 'nomadic Hunter Gatherer' label was invented by Europeans to 'degrade' the Aboriginal culture which, 'as evidenced' in recent books, was AGRICULTURAL.

You're all blinded by the big LIE taught to you at Schools which was no different to a North Korean propaganda machine that was designed to undermine the Aboriginal culture like Rhodes tried against the Shona/Ndbele in Zimbabwe - but 'failed'.
Difference here, was that the British 'Propaganda machine' worked and with added violence of 'destroying' everything associated with Aboriginal existence here... I guess a nation of Farmers could not compete due to being used to a Peace on Earth, that White People could only dream of.


Who is living the lie?

They were nomadic.
There was and still is zero evidence of any agricultural society what so ever.

The only land management they did was to set fore to everything, and only that so they could wander through the ashes and pick up the carcasses.
And as for peace on earth
You have to be kidding.
They led a brutal, primitive and violent existence
And It is carried over to this day

One of the highest demographics of domestic violence and pedophilia.
They can't get together without a fight
And if they weren't drunk all the time they woukd be violent to everyone around them.

These are the facts about the wonderful, peaceful garden of Eden you are trying to convince people of.




I'll start there Valkie.
You're entirely wrong.
You need to get with the times, before you fall behind.
...like Australian Politics.  Wink
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Australian Politics will soon be sentenced for the crime of Murder of an Innocent peoples.
Saying 'sorry' won't be enough.
Soon, no-one will want to be Prime Minister  Wink
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Reply #180 - May 20th, 2019 at 5:37am
 
Jasin wrote on May 19th, 2019 at 6:53pm:
Valkie wrote on May 19th, 2019 at 6:50pm:
Jasin wrote on May 19th, 2019 at 5:59pm:
Btw - the 'nomadic Hunter Gatherer' label was invented by Europeans to 'degrade' the Aboriginal culture which, 'as evidenced' in recent books, was AGRICULTURAL.

You're all blinded by the big LIE taught to you at Schools which was no different to a North Korean propaganda machine that was designed to undermine the Aboriginal culture like Rhodes tried against the Shona/Ndbele in Zimbabwe - but 'failed'.
Difference here, was that the British 'Propaganda machine' worked and with added violence of 'destroying' everything associated with Aboriginal existence here... I guess a nation of Farmers could not compete due to being used to a Peace on Earth, that White People could only dream of.


Who is living the lie?

They were nomadic.
There was and still is zero evidence of any agricultural society what so ever.

The only land management they did was to set fore to everything, and only that so they could wander through the ashes and pick up the carcasses.
And as for peace on earth
You have to be kidding.
They led a brutal, primitive and violent existence
And It is carried over to this day

One of the highest demographics of domestic violence and pedophilia.
They can't get together without a fight
And if they weren't drunk all the time they woukd be violent to everyone around them.

These are the facts about the wonderful, peaceful garden of Eden you are trying to convince people of.




I'll start there Valkie.
You're entirely wrong.
You need to get with the times, before you fall behind.
...like Australian Politics.  Wink



I see words, but no facts.

There is a plethora of evidence of what I say.
The highest demographic of domestic violence and pedophilia of any culture has been discussed many times and in many government and even aboriginal discussion papers.

There is no evidence of any advance agricultural or animal farming anywhere.

Continuing to fabricate this rubbish about abbos being peaceful and agricultural people only serves to make those now wasting away, feel even worse than telling the truth.

They need to get up off their collective arses, get jobs, and become contributing citizens in Australia.
Otherwise they will simply waste away and be nothing but an embarrassment to Australia.
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Nobody prepared to take on the homework assignment?  Bit 'ard, I know...

It's a very enlightening exercise and yes - it is my own work... I mean - looking at those 'developed group psyches' wrought by Western activity, you could include our Indigenous, Muslims, Middle Easters, some Asian groups.. the sky's the limit.....

The questions themselves are deadly..... I am building your armour against the future...
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No Valkie. Go back to the very first post of this Topic regarding the book 'Dark Emu'.
Also read Gammage's "Biggest Real Estate on Earth."
the 'evidence' is there.

It's not my fault the British and Settlers made a blatant effort of devaluing Aboriginal culture as an excuse to destroy it as 'worthless'. At first Explorers were amazed in wonder at all they saw of Aboriginal culture - but then they just think like a Developer - tear it all down and make Cattle Farms, etc.

I'm not going to write up word for word many passages from the book. But I will put my interpretation from what I have read.

Stonehenge is considered 'Sacred' in the UK. But Aboriginals  had many such large scale 'Pliths' around the country and they were all purposely pulled down and destroyed.

As for the Aboriginals that are dysfunctional 'victims' for the White society - which is what they want them to be. Well, just look at the state of the White Farmers today - always got their hands out for Tax payer Relief Funds.
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Reply #183 - May 20th, 2019 at 5:40pm
 
Jasin wrote on May 20th, 2019 at 5:01pm:
No Valkie. Go back to the very first post of this Topic regarding the book 'Dark Emu'.
Also read Gammage's "Biggest Real Estate on Earth."
the 'evidence' is there.

It's not my fault the British and Settlers made a blatant effort of devaluing Aboriginal culture as an excuse to destroy it as 'worthless'. At first Explorers were amazed in wonder at all they saw of Aboriginal culture - but then they just think like a Developer - tear it all down and make Cattle Farms, etc.

I'm not going to write up word for word many passages from the book. But I will put my interpretation from what I have read.

Stonehenge is considered 'Sacred' in the UK. But Aboriginals  had many such large scale 'Pliths' around the country and they were all purposely pulled down and destroyed.

As for the Aboriginals that are dysfunctional 'victims' for the White society - which is what they want them to be. Well, just look at the state of the White Farmers today - always got their hands out for Tax payer Relief Funds.


Yeah rightttttttttttttt
one book written by someone with an agenda.

I might write one about vampires, woukd be just as accurate.
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Reply #184 - May 20th, 2019 at 9:23pm
 
Valkie wrote on May 20th, 2019 at 5:40pm:
Jasin wrote on May 20th, 2019 at 5:01pm:
No Valkie. Go back to the very first post of this Topic regarding the book 'Dark Emu'.
Also read Gammage's "Biggest Real Estate on Earth."
the 'evidence' is there.

It's not my fault the British and Settlers made a blatant effort of devaluing Aboriginal culture as an excuse to destroy it as 'worthless'. At first Explorers were amazed in wonder at all they saw of Aboriginal culture - but then they just think like a Developer - tear it all down and make Cattle Farms, etc.

I'm not going to write up word for word many passages from the book. But I will put my interpretation from what I have read.

Stonehenge is considered 'Sacred' in the UK. But Aboriginals  had many such large scale 'Pliths' around the country and they were all purposely pulled down and destroyed.

As for the Aboriginals that are dysfunctional 'victims' for the White society - which is what they want them to be. Well, just look at the state of the White Farmers today - always got their hands out for Tax payer Relief Funds.


Yeah rightttttttttttttt
one book written by someone with an agenda.

I might write one about vampires, woukd be just as accurate.


Actually, the Book 'Dark Emu' is not an Anti-White Agenda.
I don't read 'bitter' books like that.
It simply states the facts.
Like Abos living in 'Houses' like Bantu-African Kraals, in size and of large 'township' populations.
It states the facts of Explorers having to 'rob' the Aboriginals of the stores of Grains and Yams, to get by - because they were too 'arsehole' to ask, etc.
The fact is that most Explorers 'survived' only because of the Aboriginals they exploited.
I'm sorry if the European past you come from isn't as 'rosey' as you like and the Abo's were not as 'primitive' as your Colonial Propaganda machine painted them out as.
They were far more sophisticated, efficient, sustainable an Agricultural society than Colonial australia was.
They even had such a harmonious existence between all Clans for the greater good, that it was in essence the best 'Democracy' going around... the true 'Lucky' Country.

Besides 'disease' wiping out 75% of the Aboriginal population, the Settlers mostly destroyed as much 'evidence' as they could and the 'written' documentations even 'changed' the wordings of Explorers to 'victimise' Aboriginals as 'poor savages'.

...and you thought Apatheid was bad.  Roll Eyes
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Reply #185 - May 20th, 2019 at 10:19pm
 
Jasin wrote on May 20th, 2019 at 9:23pm:
Valkie wrote on May 20th, 2019 at 5:40pm:
Jasin wrote on May 20th, 2019 at 5:01pm:
No Valkie. Go back to the very first post of this Topic regarding the book 'Dark Emu'.
Also read Gammage's "Biggest Real Estate on Earth."
the 'evidence' is there.

It's not my fault the British and Settlers made a blatant effort of devaluing Aboriginal culture as an excuse to destroy it as 'worthless'. At first Explorers were amazed in wonder at all they saw of Aboriginal culture - but then they just think like a Developer - tear it all down and make Cattle Farms, etc.

I'm not going to write up word for word many passages from the book. But I will put my interpretation from what I have read.

Stonehenge is considered 'Sacred' in the UK. But Aboriginals  had many such large scale 'Pliths' around the country and they were all purposely pulled down and destroyed.

As for the Aboriginals that are dysfunctional 'victims' for the White society - which is what they want them to be. Well, just look at the state of the White Farmers today - always got their hands out for Tax payer Relief Funds.


Yeah rightttttttttttttt
one book written by someone with an agenda.

I might write one about vampires, woukd be just as accurate.


Actually, the Book 'Dark Emu' is not an Anti-White Agenda.
I don't read 'bitter' books like that.
It simply states the facts.
Like Abos living in 'Houses' like Bantu-African Kraals, in size and of large 'township' populations.
It states the facts of Explorers having to 'rob' the Aboriginals of the stores of Grains and Yams, to get by - because they were too 'arsehole' to ask, etc.
The fact is that most Explorers 'survived' only because of the Aboriginals they exploited.
I'm sorry if the European past you come from isn't as 'rosey' as you like and the Abo's were not as 'primitive' as your Colonial Propaganda machine painted them out as.
They were far more sophisticated, efficient, sustainable an Agricultural society than Colonial australia was.
They even had such a harmonious existence between all Clans for the greater good, that it was in essence the best 'Democracy' going around... the true 'Lucky' Country.

Besides 'disease' wiping out 75% of the Aboriginal population, the Settlers mostly destroyed as much 'evidence' as they could and the 'written' documentations even 'changed' the wordings of Explorers to 'victimise' Aboriginals as 'poor savages'.

...and you thought Apatheid was bad.  Roll Eyes


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Well I kinda feel a bit more enlightened now, knowing more about Australian history beyond just 'colonialism'. Reading about Aboriginal 'Agriculture' will obviously give me more understanding of overall identity as an Australian.
Can't change the past, but the past can be revealed more accurately.

Kinda feel proud that my 'fellow Australians' were very innovative agriculturally and were nothing remotely close to the 'Hunter-Gatherer' concept that 'Colonial' Australians so heavily depended upon to compensate for their inferiority to the Yellow Asian man.  Grin

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Reply #187 - May 20th, 2019 at 11:15pm
 
Jasin wrote on May 20th, 2019 at 5:01pm:
No Valkie. Go back to the very first post of this Topic regarding the book 'Dark Emu'.
Also read Gammage's "Biggest Real Estate on Earth."
the 'evidence' is there.

It's not my fault the British and Settlers made a blatant effort of devaluing Aboriginal culture as an excuse to destroy it as 'worthless'. At first Explorers were amazed in wonder at all they saw of Aboriginal culture - but then they just think like a Developer - tear it all down and make Cattle Farms, etc.

I'm not going to write up word for word many passages from the book. But I will put my interpretation from what I have read.

Stonehenge is considered 'Sacred' in the UK. But Aboriginals  had many such large scale 'Pliths' around the country and they were all purposely pulled down and destroyed.

As for the Aboriginals that are dysfunctional 'victims' for the White society - which is what they want them to be. Well, just look at the state of the White Farmers today - always got their hands out for Tax payer Relief Funds.



What 'Aboriginal culture' was there to devalue any more than it was already?
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Reply #188 - May 20th, 2019 at 11:19pm
 
Jasin wrote on May 20th, 2019 at 9:23pm:
Actually, the Book 'Dark Emu' is not an Anti-White Agenda.
I don't read 'bitter' books like that.
It simply states the facts.
Like Abos living in 'Houses' like Bantu-African Kraals, in size and of large 'township' populations.
It states the facts of Explorers having to 'rob' the Aboriginals of the stores of Grains and Yams, to get by - because they were too 'arsehole' to ask, etc.
The fact is that most Explorers 'survived' only because of the Aboriginals they exploited.
I'm sorry if the European past you come from isn't as 'rosey' as you like and the Abo's were not as 'primitive' as your Colonial Propaganda machine painted them out as.
They were far more sophisticated, efficient, sustainable an Agricultural society than Colonial australia was.
They even had such a harmonious existence between all Clans for the greater good, that it was in essence the best 'Democracy' going around... the true 'Lucky' Country.


Besides 'disease' wiping out 75% of the Aboriginal population, the Settlers mostly destroyed as much 'evidence' as they could and the 'written' documentations even 'changed' the wordings of Explorers to 'victimise' Aboriginals as 'poor savages'.

...and you thought Apatheid was bad.  Roll Eyes


Sounds one hell of a lot like it actually IS anti-white.... sorry 'bout that... not only that, but it has nothing to support it...


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Reply #189 - May 20th, 2019 at 11:20pm
 
Jasin wrote on May 20th, 2019 at 11:11pm:
Well I kinda feel a bit more enlightened now, knowing more about Australian history beyond just 'colonialism'. Reading about Aboriginal 'Agriculture' will obviously give me more understanding of overall identity as an Australian.
Can't change the past, but the past can be revealed more accurately.

Kinda feel proud that my 'fellow Australians' were very innovative agriculturally and were nothing remotely close to the 'Hunter-Gatherer' concept that 'Colonial' Australians so heavily depended upon to compensate for their inferiority to the Yellow Asian man.  Grin



Best you try for the homework assignment I set.. you might learn something other than trolling... and it may even help you to survive.....

It's a sort of 'comparative institutions' thing - but its premise is that the apparently vastly superior White Western culture, having succeeded at every stop, has left a legacy in other 'cultures' of hatred combined with awe combined with an underlying fear that White culture IS actually superior based on the results...

You seem to have missed the entire point of the assignment I set.... but, oh, well....

Perhaps you could try it and see the beginnings of an awakening within yourself about reality in the modern world and not the fairy floss world handed to you by the media and your own gentle-seeking culture .... false equivalence of 'cultures' has no meaning when they intend to kill you...

My son continues, at 33, to remain fit and strong in case he is called to the colours, in which case he is on a short list for officer..... like his father, he has a visceral understanding of the real world denied to those who rely on the media and on namby-pamby 'education' to give them their worldview....

While you sleep and troll they are sharpening their knives to behead you..... and our very own Fifth Column who've benefited so much from Western 'invasion' are not exempt...
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Reply #190 - May 20th, 2019 at 11:36pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 20th, 2019 at 11:15pm:
Jasin wrote on May 20th, 2019 at 5:01pm:
No Valkie. Go back to the very first post of this Topic regarding the book 'Dark Emu'.
Also read Gammage's "Biggest Real Estate on Earth."
the 'evidence' is there.

It's not my fault the British and Settlers made a blatant effort of devaluing Aboriginal culture as an excuse to destroy it as 'worthless'. At first Explorers were amazed in wonder at all they saw of Aboriginal culture - but then they just think like a Developer - tear it all down and make Cattle Farms, etc.

I'm not going to write up word for word many passages from the book. But I will put my interpretation from what I have read.

Stonehenge is considered 'Sacred' in the UK. But Aboriginals  had many such large scale 'Pliths' around the country and they were all purposely pulled down and destroyed.

As for the Aboriginals that are dysfunctional 'victims' for the White society - which is what they want them to be. Well, just look at the state of the White Farmers today - always got their hands out for Tax payer Relief Funds.



What 'Aboriginal culture' was there to devalue any more than it was already?


I know. If it wasn't for Aboriginals, your Whalers might not have been able to get ahead down in Eden. But you stuffed that up too eventually.
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Reply #191 - May 20th, 2019 at 11:44pm
 
Btw Grappler.

Your 'Western Culture' is failing fast here 'East of Eden'.
Your 'Politics' is a shemozzle via 'both' Parties unable to run this country effectively (thankfully Britain and USA keep it floating!)
Luckily more 'Eastern Europeans' are moving here to give Australia the 'true' future it deserves.  Wink Grin
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Dark Emu puts forward an argument for a reconsideration of the hunter-gatherer tag for precolonial Aboriginal Australians. The evidence insists that Aboriginal people right across the continent were using domesticated plants, sowing, harvesting, irrigating and storing – behaviours inconsistent with the hunter-gatherer tag. Gerritsen and Gammage in their latest books support this premise but Pascoe takes this further and challenges the hunter-gatherer tag as a convenient lie. Almost all the evidence comes from the records and diaries of the Australian explorers, impeccable sources.
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Reply #193 - May 21st, 2019 at 12:05am
 
Jasin wrote on May 20th, 2019 at 11:58pm:
Dark Emu puts forward an argument for a reconsideration of the hunter-gatherer tag for precolonial Aboriginal Australians. The evidence insists that Aboriginal people right across the continent were using domesticated plants, sowing, harvesting, irrigating and storing – behaviours inconsistent with the hunter-gatherer tag. Gerritsen and Gammage in their latest books support this premise but Pascoe takes this further and challenges the hunter-gatherer tag as a convenient lie. Almost all the evidence comes from the records and diaries of the Australian explorers, impeccable sources.


Reconsideration done - nothing to support the premises presented...

"Almost all the evidence comes from the records and diaries of the Australian explorers, impeccable sources."

... and the preponderance was that they were hunter-gatherers with different 'territories' for winter and summer.... and any "using domesticated plants, sowing, harvesting, irrigating and storing" was incidental and temporary during an annual pilgrimage...


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Reply #194 - May 21st, 2019 at 12:11am
 
Jasin wrote on May 20th, 2019 at 11:44pm:
Btw Grappler.

Your 'Western Culture' is failing fast here 'East of Eden'.
Your 'Politics' is a shemozzle via 'both' Parties unable to run this country effectively (thankfully Britain and USA keep it floating!)
Luckily more 'Eastern Europeans' are moving here to give Australia the 'true' future it deserves.  Wink Grin


Totally irrelevant in discussion of the issue raised... it is precisely because of the situation you cite that the West needs to wake up and look hard at its approach to other 'cultures' that have simultaneously benefited from the West and generated a loathing for its blatant superiority.....

Destroying by osmosis a culture that has brought the benefits is no different from the Japanese seeking to rub Whitey's face in the mud for being so damned good... by going to war...

You need to consider your concept of 'Eastern Europeans' (are) moving here to give Australia the 'true' future it deserves' in that context.

What future do YOU wish for yourself and your descendants?  Your 'Eastern European' one or our Western one?

Are you now stating that the 'Eastern European' intrusion is actually an invasion and an act of war?

Bonus Question (for your research):-  Is this 'silent invasion' a further or new form of 'asymmetrical warfare' - in the same vein as some suggested the Japanese kamikaze was?  Is the 'silent invasion' a new form of assymetrical warfare to gain a larger result by application of a small and focused force?

BBQ:-  is not the attempt to "gain a larger result by application of a small and focused force" a clear example of terrorism as defined?

As the Dean of Studies at Grappler Defence Force Academy - I'm interested in your answers... they reveal more about you than they do about me or the world at large ...... and they may indeed impinge on your descendants .....I merely offer you the armour with which to protect yourself - I cannot force you to use it...
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Eastern Europeans won't need 'military' or 'political' aspects to 'conquer' Australia away from Western Europeans.
Western Europeans can only 'hope' for that.
No. They will defeat you Western Europeans (westerners) by ART - which will make more money for Australia, than what Politics (which is in debt and getting worse) can do.

People of Australia will 'reject' Politics and empower ART as their key to the future.
Parliment House will be to Politics, what Disneyland is for ART in USA - for the 'kiddies' to have excursions to.

What's to 'invade' here. Westernised Australians are a sorry bunch who are totally reliant on British and USA intervention to help them 'cope' in this part of the world.

If it wasn't for American Whalers, the Sydney colony would have failed.  Grin

Western Culture here is nothing more than 'Just Visiting' on the Monopoly board.

When the future King William removes the Union Jack from the Australian Flag. Your entire Political system will come crashing down, because Australia will be up FOR SALE and Westernised Australians CAN'T AFFORD TO PAY FOR IT. Grin
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Reply #196 - May 21st, 2019 at 12:42am
 
Jasin wrote on May 21st, 2019 at 12:30am:
Eastern Europeans won't need 'military' or 'political' aspects to 'conquer' Australia away from Western Europeans.
Western Europeans can only 'hope' for that.
No. They will defeat you Western Europeans (westerners) by ART - which will make more money for Australia, than what Politics (which is in debt and getting worse) can do.

People of Australia will 'reject' Politics and empower ART as their key to the future.
Parliment House will be to Politics, what Disneyland is for ART in USA - for the 'kiddies' to have excursions to.

What's to 'invade' here. Westernised Australians are a sorry bunch who are totally reliant on British and USA intervention to help them 'cope' in this part of the world.

If it wasn't for American Whalers, the Sydney colony would have failed.  Grin

Western Culture here is nothing more than 'Just Visiting' on the Monopoly board.

When the future King William removes the Union Jack from the Australian Flag. Your entire Political system will come crashing down, because Australia will be up FOR SALE and Westernised Australians CAN'T AFFORD TO PAY FOR IT. Grin


Ah - so you admit it IS a silent invasion, a form of asymmetrical warfare, and an act of terrorism against which the West must arm and armour itself for true? And that there is a clear and present need for this nation to preserve itself from all enemies, domestic and foreign?
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Reply #197 - May 21st, 2019 at 12:49am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 21st, 2019 at 12:42am:
Jasin wrote on May 21st, 2019 at 12:30am:
Eastern Europeans won't need 'military' or 'political' aspects to 'conquer' Australia away from Western Europeans.
Western Europeans can only 'hope' for that.
No. They will defeat you Western Europeans (westerners) by ART - which will make more money for Australia, than what Politics (which is in debt and getting worse) can do.

People of Australia will 'reject' Politics and empower ART as their key to the future.
Parliment House will be to Politics, what Disneyland is for ART in USA - for the 'kiddies' to have excursions to.

What's to 'invade' here. Westernised Australians are a sorry bunch who are totally reliant on British and USA intervention to help them 'cope' in this part of the world.

If it wasn't for American Whalers, the Sydney colony would have failed.  Grin

Western Culture here is nothing more than 'Just Visiting' on the Monopoly board.

When the future King William removes the Union Jack from the Australian Flag. Your entire Political system will come crashing down, because Australia will be up FOR SALE and Westernised Australians CAN'T AFFORD TO PAY FOR IT. Grin


Ah - so you admit it IS a silent invasion, a form of asymmetrical warfare, and an act of terrorism against which the West must arm and armour itself for true? And that there is a clear and present need for this nation to preserve itself from all enemies, domestic and foreign?


There is no 'invasion' against a Western presence here that is basically self-destructing like an act of SUICIDE.
The irony will be that your 'Western Culture' here will fail into a 'primitive' state. Your States will fracture and shatter into tiny petty 'independent' nations of no real international standings.
Australia will become like Egypt under Ramses II, like Minoa and Mycenea - a great Industry of ART.

Remember - Politics is getting more 'in debt' here.
ART isn't.  Wink And I'm not talking about your Celebrity Media quasi Artists either.

Ahh the irony: Australian Politics is the 'Primitive'.  Grin
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Reply #198 - May 21st, 2019 at 1:06am
 
Jasin wrote on May 21st, 2019 at 12:49am:
There is no 'invasion' against a Western presence here that is basically self-destructing like an act of SUICIDE.
The irony will be that your 'Western Culture' here will fail into a 'primitive' state. Your States will fracture and shatter into tiny petty 'independent' nations of no real international standings.
Australia will become like Egypt under Ramses II, like Minoa and Mycenea - a great Industry of ART.

Remember - Politics is getting more 'in debt' here.
ART isn't.  Wink And I'm not talking about your Celebrity Media quasi Artists either.

Ahh the irony: Australian Politics is the 'Primitive'.  Grin


Ah - so the measure of a culture now is whether or not it is self-destructing?

Does this not accord with the myth held by the Japanese and now the Muslims and many Far Easterners, that the West is decadent, soft, and thus easy prey?

Does this mean that the West, having achieved its greatness, and now wishing to extend that greatness through giving to the Rest in peace and harmony - is now a failing culture and will be stormed by the barbarians at the gate?

Read back to the homework assignment - that is precisely the situation adopted by the Japanese in starting WWII in the Pacific.... it does not do you well to awaken a sleeping dragon.... no matter how benevolent that dragon is...

It is not wise to view a kind and caring culture as 'weak' and as being somehow 'lesser' than your own concept of culture.... when yours is based on violence and brutality... all are made of the same things... awakening in a sleeping giant his dire wrath will bring to the fore his wrath and his terrible vengeance...

Sow the breeze and awaken the whirlwind...

You can fool some of the West all of the time, and all of the West some of the time - but you can't fool all of the West all of the time....

I am merely holding up for you as you are a citizen of this West, the guiding light from which you may navigate your own path.... a light house for the ship(s) lost in a stormy sea....choose wisely, grasshopper..... the consequences are dire... and their day is drawing nearer day by day...

2019 IS the year of decision... in many ways.. all it takes now is for some 'culture' to view the West as weak and ripe for the plucking... and beyond there be dragons.....
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Reply #199 - May 21st, 2019 at 5:49am
 
They were not, nor have ever been, anything but wandering hunter gatherers.

All else is fantasy

This so called conspiracy to hide any "facts" that they were anything more is simply delusional.
When any culture or CIVILIZATION begins farming and domestication of the land, certain things happen.

They build communities and housing, towns clearing the land and storage for the harvests.
There is absolutely ZERO evidence that this ever happened.

Then, because they nd have some free time, not hunting and gathering to survive,  their culture makes a leap forward.
You find they develop writing, art, tools and begin engineering to make life easier, altering water courses, collecting water etc.
Again, there is ZERO evidence that this was the case.

If tgere was even one shred of evidence tgat glory townships existed, do you not think they would have been found?
If there was even one shred of evidence that agriculture waspracticed, do you not think this would be found?

There is no conspiracy, that is the fantasy.
If it were a conspiracy, it was brilliantly executed throughout a country, much of which has been effectively unexplored until the last century.

Why must these sychophants go to the point of outright lies and fabrication in order to paint the aboriginals in the guise of noble savages who have their technology stolen, never to be returned.
Do you honestly think that the starving colonists woukd carry on with destruction of agriculture rather than embrace it and survive?

No my friend.
Aboriginals were nothing more tgat violent, pre-stone age under gatherers.
Too primitive to lash a stone to a stick.
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Reply #200 - May 21st, 2019 at 8:45am
 
Valkie wrote on May 21st, 2019 at 5:49am:
They were not, nor have ever been, anything but wandering hunter gatherers.

All else is fantasy

This so called conspiracy to hide any "facts" that they were anything more is simply delusional.
When any culture or CIVILIZATION begins farming and domestication of the land, certain things happen.

They build communities and housing, towns clearing the land and storage for the harvests.
There is absolutely ZERO evidence that this ever happened.

Then, because they nd have some free time, not hunting and gathering to survive,  their culture makes a leap forward.
You find they develop writing, art, tools and begin engineering to make life easier, altering water courses, collecting water etc.
Again, there is ZERO evidence that this was the case.

If tgere was even one shred of evidence tgat glory townships existed, do you not think they would have been found?
If there was even one shred of evidence that agriculture waspracticed, do you not think this would be found?

There is no conspiracy, that is the fantasy.
If it were a conspiracy, it was brilliantly executed throughout a country, much of which has been effectively unexplored until the last century.

Why must these sychophants go to the point of outright lies and fabrication in order to paint the aboriginals in the guise of noble savages who have their technology stolen, never to be returned.
Do you honestly think that the starving colonists woukd carry on with destruction of agriculture rather than embrace it and survive?

No my friend.
Aboriginals were nothing more tgat violent, pre-stone age under gatherers.
Too primitive to lash a stone to a stick.


You're letting your hatred of our indigenous people and your white supremacy show again Val.

Like it's not ever on display with you...
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Reply #201 - May 21st, 2019 at 10:53am
 
Valkie wrote on May 21st, 2019 at 5:49am:
They were not, nor have ever been, anything but wandering hunter gatherers.

All else is fantasy

This so called conspiracy to hide any "facts" that they were anything more is simply delusional.
When any culture or CIVILIZATION begins farming and domestication of the land, certain things happen.

They build communities and housing, towns clearing the land and storage for the harvests.
There is absolutely ZERO evidence that this ever happened.


Then, because they nd have some free time, not hunting and gathering to survive,  their culture makes a leap forward.
You find they develop writing, art, tools and begin engineering to make life easier, altering water courses, collecting water etc.
Again, there is ZERO evidence that this was the case.

If tgere was even one shred of evidence tgat glory townships existed, do you not think they would have been found?
If there was even one shred of evidence that agriculture waspracticed, do you not think this would be found?

There is no conspiracy, that is the fantasy.
If it were a conspiracy, it was brilliantly executed throughout a country, much of which has been effectively unexplored until the last century.

Why must these sychophants go to the point of outright lies and fabrication in order to paint the aboriginals in the guise of noble savages who have their technology stolen, never to be returned.
Do you honestly think that the starving colonists woukd carry on with destruction of agriculture rather than embrace it and survive?

No my friend.
Aboriginals were nothing more tgat violent, pre-stone age under gatherers.
Too primitive to lash a stone to a stick.


There is plenty of evidence of all that 'civilisation'.
All documented by Exployers and Settlers - there in black and white.  Grin Grin Grin

Time to come out of your little Thunder-Dome Valkie. Cheesy
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Reply #202 - May 21st, 2019 at 12:38pm
 
Shepherd guarding his flock, circa 1688 A.D.

In protecting their corn and grain crops, they wiped out the Bunyip and the Dropbear.... environmental vandalism at its worst...

... and who do you think put up all those disused railway tracks and those now rough country roads?  Eh?  Mind you, many Bunyip and Dropbear were run over by freight trains before the Invasion...

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Reply #203 - May 21st, 2019 at 2:08pm
 
Jasin wrote on May 21st, 2019 at 10:53am:
Valkie wrote on May 21st, 2019 at 5:49am:
They were not, nor have ever been, anything but wandering hunter gatherers.

All else is fantasy

This so called conspiracy to hide any "facts" that they were anything more is simply delusional.
When any culture or CIVILIZATION begins farming and domestication of the land, certain things happen.

They build communities and housing, towns clearing the land and storage for the harvests.
There is absolutely ZERO evidence that this ever happened.


Then, because they nd have some free time, not hunting and gathering to survive,  their culture makes a leap forward.
You find they develop writing, art, tools and begin engineering to make life easier, altering water courses, collecting water etc.
Again, there is ZERO evidence that this was the case.

If tgere was even one shred of evidence tgat glory townships existed, do you not think they would have been found?
If there was even one shred of evidence that agriculture waspracticed, do you not think this would be found?

There is no conspiracy, that is the fantasy.
If it were a conspiracy, it was brilliantly executed throughout a country, much of which has been effectively unexplored until the last century.

Why must these sychophants go to the point of outright lies and fabrication in order to paint the aboriginals in the guise of noble savages who have their technology stolen, never to be returned.
Do you honestly think that the starving colonists woukd carry on with destruction of agriculture rather than embrace it and survive?

No my friend.
Aboriginals were nothing more tgat violent, pre-stone age under gatherers.
Too primitive to lash a stone to a stick.


There is plenty of evidence of all that 'civilisation'.
All documented by Exployers and Settlers - there in black and white.  Grin Grin Grin

Cheesy
And yet you or anyone else cant provide any.
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Reply #204 - May 21st, 2019 at 4:54pm
 
SadKangaroo wrote on May 21st, 2019 at 8:45am:
Valkie wrote on May 21st, 2019 at 5:49am:
They were not, nor have ever been, anything but wandering hunter gatherers.

All else is fantasy

This so called conspiracy to hide any "facts" that they were anything more is simply delusional.
When any culture or CIVILIZATION begins farming and domestication of the land, certain things happen.

They build communities and housing, towns clearing the land and storage for the harvests.
There is absolutely ZERO evidence that this ever happened.

Then, because they nd have some free time, not hunting and gathering to survive,  their culture makes a leap forward.
You find they develop writing, art, tools and begin engineering to make life easier, altering water courses, collecting water etc.
Again, there is ZERO evidence that this was the case.

If tgere was even one shred of evidence tgat glory townships existed, do you not think they would have been found?
If there was even one shred of evidence that agriculture waspracticed, do you not think this would be found?

There is no conspiracy, that is the fantasy.
If it were a conspiracy, it was brilliantly executed throughout a country, much of which has been effectively unexplored until the last century.

Why must these sychophants go to the point of outright lies and fabrication in order to paint the aboriginals in the guise of noble savages who have their technology stolen, never to be returned.
Do you honestly think that the starving colonists woukd carry on with destruction of agriculture rather than embrace it and survive?

No my friend.
Aboriginals were nothing more tgat violent, pre-stone age under gatherers.
Too primitive to lash a stone to a stick.


You're letting your hatred of our indigenous people and your white supremacy show again Val.

Like it's not ever on display with you...


You mistake me.

I do not hate aboriginals, quite the contrary,  I think they can be wonderful people.
I have several full aboriginal and half cast friends.

I object to lies and fabrication in an attempt to make them out to be more than they were.

It's all part of a process where stupid people think they can, by lying and fabrication, make abbos more proud of themselves.
But the truth is much more powerful
Teach the truth
Allow them to accept that they have an opportunity and that their past was not noble nor was their life like living in Eden.

They must be seen that there is no returning to their barbaric , primitive roots.
Forward advancement is the only direction nature allows.
The choice is simple
Evolve or die out.
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So you are saying that all the 'written' reports, documents and sketches (even early photos) that substantiate the essence of the Book are all lies and fabrications?

Hunters & Collectors: Turn a Blind Eye to it all... Grin

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Reply #206 - May 21st, 2019 at 5:35pm
 
I have seen huge mounds of Abalone and other shell fish shells in the dunes on the west coast, they were harvesting and feasting in those locations, they also containing their shells for future nomads so as to be tidy.
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Reply #207 - May 21st, 2019 at 5:42pm
 
One midden in Sth Aust is dated as 80,000 to 90,000 years old. It is basically 'petrified' hard.
That is a very long time ago.

Still speculation about Human habitation in Australia being over 140,000 years ago.
Neanderthal, Denisovians & the African offshoot 'X' were still flourishing around then before being over-run by Sapiens later.

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Reply #208 - May 21st, 2019 at 8:18pm
 
Jasin wrote on May 20th, 2019 at 11:44pm:
Btw Grappler.

Your 'Western Culture' is failing fast here 'East of Eden'.
Your 'Politics' is a shemozzle via 'both' Parties unable to run this country effectively (thankfully Britain and USA keep it floating!)
Luckily more 'Eastern Europeans' are moving here to give Australia the 'true' future it deserves.  Wink Grin


You write as if you were LTYCs Dopple ganger.

Have you been to hypnotherapy and didnt realise who the hypnotist was? Grin

I think you may have had a blood transfusion from Bwian and Mothballs as well.  Grin
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Reply #209 - May 21st, 2019 at 8:34pm
 
Jasin wrote on May 21st, 2019 at 5:09pm:
So you are saying that all the 'written' reports, documents and sketches (even early photos) that substantiate the essence of the Book are all lies and fabrications?

Hunters & Collectors: Turn a Blind Eye to it all... Grin

Gee. The Africans give you one of their 'Black' regions, because you stole Namerica from the Yellow Asians and you deny the existence of innovative and intellectual standards in regards to Aboriginal Farming by degrading it with lies and destruction out of fear that it might make you out to be something less yourselves.


You sound like the old (deluded) aboriginal elder telling Jack Absalom about how good his country was and how good they had it until whiteman came along.........

" And took all their horses and cattle"
  Grin Grin Grin

Prior to 1788 there wasn't an equine or bovine animal on the continent.

But never mind the truth getting in the way of a good story.

Just like the continual made up shyte you're posting.....

Making up bs to change an inconvenient truth ey?

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Reply #210 - May 21st, 2019 at 8:40pm
 
Jasin wrote on May 21st, 2019 at 5:42pm:
One midden in Sth Aust is dated as 80,000 to 90,000 years old. It is basically 'petrified' hard.
That is a very long time ago.

Still speculation about Human habitation in Australia being over 140,000 years ago.
Neanderthal, Denisovians & the African offshoot 'X' were still flourishing around then before being over-run by Sapiens later.



Midden heaps have no relevance to the bs you're espousing and have never been in question in this debate.....

Although now I see you're expanding the time frame even further into the past to 80,000 - 90,000 years. Grin

Make up your mind.

Maybe those middens  were made by that different race of people pictured in the Bradshaw paintings of the Kimberly?

You know like people who were here before Aboriginals?
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Reply #211 - May 21st, 2019 at 10:18pm
 
Johnnie wrote on May 21st, 2019 at 5:35pm:
I have seen huge mounds of Abalone and other shell fish shells in the dunes on the west coast, they were harvesting and feasting in those locations, they also containing their shells for future nomads so as to be tidy.


That's a long stretch - they were 'harvesting' - not just grabbing food? 

.....and gathered around the fire they ate in the one place and piled the shells up... well ... GEE!

Midden = rubbish heap ... no meaning at all other than we came, we ate, we dumped the refuse on the ground....... it might prove people were there, who could have been anyone or anything - it doesn't indicate any scientific approach or formalised society...

You are reading in outrageously... just like the sheila (feminist) who did a study of nesting sea birds and concluded that the wary eye of the nesting female on other birds meant she was on the lookout for another prospective partner (while deep in egg, of course) and her 'husband' had better do the job of catching fish to feed her or it was off he went to the wilderness......

You have to laugh...
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Reply #212 - May 21st, 2019 at 10:47pm
 
I take it nobody wants to try on the homework assignment, using our Indigenous as an example?  You know - a group psyche Freudian mix of hatred and fear and schoolboy admiration and an inferiority complex sense of cultural superiority, along with a wish to rub Whitey's face with mud and teach him a lesson for taking over civilisations etc, while using his own achievements to do it???? 

Hmmm - wonder why not... might be a little too close to the bone.... as the hooker said to the clergyman....

OK - let's go for the Mussos then, with their culutural superiority and their inferiority complex that drives them to kill innocent strangers using the Great Shaitan's weapons......

Maaaaan - even dem Freedom Riders traveled in the Wharte Man's bus dere... singin' dem Wharte man songs... we shall overcome... hallelujah brothers an' praise the Lord the Wharte Man gave us... now drahve on, drahver - we got Wharte Man's dullahs for dat petrol at da nex' tahn, bro...
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Reply #213 - May 21st, 2019 at 10:58pm
 
Jasin wrote on May 21st, 2019 at 5:42pm:
One midden in Sth Aust is dated as 80,000 to 90,000 years old. It is basically 'petrified' hard.
That is a very long time ago.

Still speculation about Human habitation in Australia being over 140,000 years ago.
Neanderthal, Denisovians & the African offshoot 'X' were still flourishing around then before being over-run by Sapiens later.

So the extent of their civilisation is a 90,000 year old rubbish dump.
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Reply #214 - May 21st, 2019 at 11:00pm
 
rhino wrote on May 21st, 2019 at 10:58pm:
Jasin wrote on May 21st, 2019 at 5:42pm:
One midden in Sth Aust is dated as 80,000 to 90,000 years old. It is basically 'petrified' hard.
That is a very long time ago.

Still speculation about Human habitation in Australia being over 140,000 years ago.
Neanderthal, Denisovians & the African offshoot 'X' were still flourishing around then before being over-run by Sapiens later.

So the extent of their civilisation is a 90,000 year old rubbish dump.



Pretty much - and getting better by the year ...............
**falls about laughing**...
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Reply #215 - May 21st, 2019 at 11:13pm
 
Im not in favour of discrimination against the indigenous but the claim that they had some sort of civilisation going on here  is absurd.
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Reply #216 - May 21st, 2019 at 11:24pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 21st, 2019 at 11:00pm:
rhino wrote on May 21st, 2019 at 10:58pm:
Jasin wrote on May 21st, 2019 at 5:42pm:
One midden in Sth Aust is dated as 80,000 to 90,000 years old. It is basically 'petrified' hard.
That is a very long time ago.

Still speculation about Human habitation in Australia being over 140,000 years ago.
Neanderthal, Denisovians & the African offshoot 'X' were still flourishing around then before being over-run by Sapiens later.

So the extent of their civilisation is a 90,000 year old rubbish dump.



Pretty much - and getting better by the year ...............
**falls about laughing**...

Credit where credit is due, they wouldn't have just rocked up at that particular place if it was the wrong time or they would have starved to death, they were nomadic farmers.

Farming VB cans is their way now.
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Reply #217 - May 22nd, 2019 at 5:51am
 
It's sad, but so true in some cases....
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Reply #218 - May 22nd, 2019 at 7:04am
 
rhino wrote on May 21st, 2019 at 11:13pm:
Im not in favour of discrimination against the indigenous but the claim that they had some sort of civilisation going on here  is absurd.



Yes I totally agree.
Propaganda at its finest. 
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Reply #219 - May 22nd, 2019 at 5:00pm
 
Johnnie wrote on May 21st, 2019 at 11:24pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 21st, 2019 at 11:00pm:
rhino wrote on May 21st, 2019 at 10:58pm:
Jasin wrote on May 21st, 2019 at 5:42pm:
One midden in Sth Aust is dated as 80,000 to 90,000 years old. It is basically 'petrified' hard.
That is a very long time ago.

Still speculation about Human habitation in Australia being over 140,000 years ago.
Neanderthal, Denisovians & the African offshoot 'X' were still flourishing around then before being over-run by Sapiens later.

So the extent of their civilisation is a 90,000 year old rubbish dump.



Pretty much - and getting better by the year ...............
**falls about laughing**...

Credit where credit is due, they wouldn't have just rocked up at that particular place if it was the wrong time or they would have starved to death, they were nomadic farmers.

Farming VB cans is their way now.


Love it
I've seen that farming in several aboriginal settlements

They still can't work out that they just won't grow.
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Reply #220 - May 24th, 2019 at 2:56pm
 
Valkie wrote on May 22nd, 2019 at 5:00pm:
Johnnie wrote on May 21st, 2019 at 11:24pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 21st, 2019 at 11:00pm:
rhino wrote on May 21st, 2019 at 10:58pm:
Jasin wrote on May 21st, 2019 at 5:42pm:
One midden in Sth Aust is dated as 80,000 to 90,000 years old. It is basically 'petrified' hard.
That is a very long time ago.

Still speculation about Human habitation in Australia being over 140,000 years ago.
Neanderthal, Denisovians & the African offshoot 'X' were still flourishing around then before being over-run by Sapiens later.

So the extent of their civilisation is a 90,000 year old rubbish dump.



Pretty much - and getting better by the year ...............
**falls about laughing**...

Credit where credit is due, they wouldn't have just rocked up at that particular place if it was the wrong time or they would have starved to death, they were nomadic farmers.

Farming VB cans is their way now.


Love it
I've seen that farming in several aboriginal settlements

They still can't work out that they just won't grow.


Same with the stick, dear. That's an invention though. They also invented the didgeridoo, which can be used as a pipe. This is evidence of plumbing, one of the criteria for civilisation.

Inventions, agriculture, can you think if anything else?
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Reply #221 - May 24th, 2019 at 4:31pm
 
Valkie wrote on May 22nd, 2019 at 5:00pm:
Johnnie wrote on May 21st, 2019 at 11:24pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 21st, 2019 at 11:00pm:
rhino wrote on May 21st, 2019 at 10:58pm:
Jasin wrote on May 21st, 2019 at 5:42pm:
One midden in Sth Aust is dated as 80,000 to 90,000 years old. It is basically 'petrified' hard.
That is a very long time ago.

Still speculation about Human habitation in Australia being over 140,000 years ago.
Neanderthal, Denisovians & the African offshoot 'X' were still flourishing around then before being over-run by Sapiens later.

So the extent of their civilisation is a 90,000 year old rubbish dump.



Pretty much - and getting better by the year ...............
**falls about laughing**...

Credit where credit is due, they wouldn't have just rocked up at that particular place if it was the wrong time or they would have starved to death, they were nomadic farmers.

Farming VB cans is their way now.


Love it
I've seen that farming in several aboriginal settlements

They still can't work out that they just won't grow.

It's the beginnings of a modern day midden, you don't have to travel far into an Aboriginal reservation to spot them, they are even popping up around city parklands.
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Reply #222 - May 24th, 2019 at 7:33pm
 
The new bought house has a sign - it says "Guard Dog On Premises" - I've never considered the ex in that light, but hey ....

Anyway - I asked the furniture removalist guys about the local Indigenous population - one said that in his view 90% of them were arseholes - when I asked about trouble with the local Indigenes - one just laughed his head off...

I can understand that - every one of them from Eden to Tweed Heads supports South Sydney as if they live there... and we all know what Rabbitohs supporters are like... personally I've chatted with a couple, and they're OK .. so far....

Might have to get that big dog, though... that's the trouble with moving to a coastal town - every Arschloch thinks you must be rich and thus easy pickings...
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