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May 7th, 2019 at 10:20pm
 
Aboriginal people – how we misunderstood their science

Just one generation ago Australian schoolkids were taught that Aboriginal people couldn't count beyond five, wandered the desert scavenging for food, had no civilisation, couldn't navigate and peacefully acquiesced when Western Civilisation rescued them in 1788. How did we get it so wrong? Australian historian Bill Gammage and others have shown that for many years land was carefully managed by Aboriginal people to maximise productivity. This resulted in fantastically fertile soils, now exploited and almost destroyed by intensive agriculture. In some cases, Aboriginal people had sophisticated number systems, knew bush medicine, and navigated using stars and oral maps to support flourishing trade routes across the country. They mounted fierce resistance to the British invaders, and sometimes won significant military victories such as the raids by Aboriginal warrior Pemulwuy. Only now, as reported in The Conversation, are we starting to understand Aboriginal intellectual and scientific achievements. Some Aboriginal people had figured out how eclipses work, and knew how the planets moved differently from the stars. They used this knowledge to regulate the cycles of travel from one place to another.
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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.
 
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Reply #1 - May 7th, 2019 at 10:22pm
 
The Book 'Dark Emu' just out, also supports Gammage.
Agriculture was a big thing with Aboriginal Culture.

The British Penal Colony would have failed, if it wasn't for the Whaling Vessels. British colonisation here is a flawed existence of stupidity and the Australia that still harks to it.
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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.
 
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Reply #2 - May 7th, 2019 at 10:44pm
 
Jasin wrote on May 7th, 2019 at 10:22pm:
The Book 'Dark Emu' just out, also supports Gammage.
Agriculture was a big thing with Aboriginal Culture.

The British Penal Colony would have failed, if it wasn't for the Whaling Vessels. British colonisation here is a flawed existence of stupidity and the Australia that still harks to it.


Stupidity has been adopted as Australian 'culture' in the absence of anything less stupid.
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Reply #3 - May 7th, 2019 at 11:01pm
 
Excuse me, they invented a stick.

Scientific, innit.
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Reply #4 - May 8th, 2019 at 12:39am
 
Yes - they had a thriving scientific culture and peerless medicine long before the Wharte Man came along and destroyed the whole thing.... out there, if you look closely, you can see where the ancient temples and pyramids are buried beneath farmland now - and some of those were observatories  and even nuclear reactors that kept the Koori population warm and well-lit in the darkest winter....

Captain Cook arrived here with primitive European science and tore the whole lot down as being superstitious nonsense.... it's a very well hidden part of Australian memory history..... so well hidden that no wharte man has ever seen any of it first hand.....
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Reply #5 - May 8th, 2019 at 5:20am
 
Several years ago, a British team of archeologists digging found some evidence of copper wire buried beneath the ground at a depth of approximately 4 feet.

They concluded that this was evidence of a earlier British society with telecommunication as early as the 1600s.

Not to be outdone, the Swedish dug deeper, and also found evidence of copper deposited at a depth of 8 feet.

They concluded that this was evidence of an even earlier CIVILIZATION with telecommunication before the 1200s.


The Australian sycophantic archeologists drug even deeper 25 feet and found absolutely nothing.

They concluded that Australian aboriginals were so advanced that they had wireless communications from the start.



People, making shite up in order to make a silk purse out of a sows ear is not new.

Aboriginals were PRE-STONEAGE when we found them.
They had no written language
They had no architectural skill
They had no stone age weapons, even lashing a rock to a stick was beyond them.
They had no agricultural ability
The only animals they kept were dingos.

Even the simple skill of starting fire was beyond them, they carried embers wrapped in paperback.

This bullshite we are expected to believe about being great thinkers, great land keepers, wonderful people who were perfect before invasion is simply BULL SHITE.

They were primitives, brutal and disjointed.

And all the crap that is thought up by these sycophants does nothing but make them look even worse.

Evidence of having no evidence is bull shite.
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Reply #6 - May 8th, 2019 at 7:49am
 
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Just one generation ago Australian schoolkids were taught that Aboriginal people couldn't count beyond five

When was this?
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Reply #7 - May 8th, 2019 at 8:12am
 
Valkie wrote on May 8th, 2019 at 5:20am:
Several years ago, a British team of archeologists digging found some evidence of copper wire buried beneath the ground at a depth of approximately 4 feet.

They concluded that this was evidence of a earlier British society with telecommunication as early as the 1600s.

Not to be outdone, the Swedish dug deeper, and also found evidence of copper deposited at a depth of 8 feet.

They concluded that this was evidence of an even earlier CIVILIZATION with telecommunication before the 1200s.


The Australian sycophantic archeologists drug even deeper 25 feet and found absolutely nothing.

They concluded that Australian aboriginals were so advanced that they had wireless communications from the start.



People, making shite up in order to make a silk purse out of a sows ear is not new.

Aboriginals were PRE-STONEAGE when we found them.
They had no written language
They had no architectural skill
They had no stone age weapons, even lashing a rock to a stick was beyond them.
They had no agricultural ability
The only animals they kept were dingos.

Even the simple skill of starting fire was beyond them, they carried embers wrapped in paperback.

This bullshite we are expected to believe about being great thinkers, great land keepers, wonderful people who were perfect before invasion is simply BULL SHITE.

They were primitives, brutal and disjointed.

And all the crap that is thought up by these sycophants does nothing but make them look even worse.

Evidence of having no evidence is bull shite.



Hehehe. 
Scientific neanderthals. Could be a new band.


There is a new era of history writers coming through that are trying the old "if it is said enough then it will be true".
Science is how you get the wheels rolling.......but ya gotta have wheels to start with.  Wink
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Reply #8 - May 8th, 2019 at 9:20am
 
Just a new aboriginal industry, that of claiming exceptionalism.

There are two views of aboriginals, the romantic twaddle of the luvvies who see them as bush fairies and conservators of the land with some sort of special spiritual resonance with country  and the pragmatic reality that they are a tribal people no different to any others around the world.

Tribal people have always, everywhere, looked to the skies for cues to seasons, the worlds natural ebb and flow of resources, when fish and flowers are in, when to plant and when to harvest.  The skies are full of stories and creation myths, again all over the world. Only here with the idiots of the left in the cause of aboriginal exceptionalism it’s claimed as aboriginals discovered astronomy. 

Same with being bush fairies and conservators, constrained by lack of resources because they did not have the means to exploit those resources, ie just sticks and rocks, it’s hard to make a negative impact on a continent, it’s not that they were proto greenies, they just had a small imprint on the land.  When chopping down a tree is a major endeavour you don’t go about clear felling for log cabins, but thats just technology, given the opportunity they would prefer the log cabin to the bark hut because, being people, not exceptional, they recognise and value comfort and ease.

Aquaculture is another claim for aboriginal exceptionalism, again, used throughout the world.

Aboriginals inhabited a stable and eroded continent which means many of the earliest artifacts still survive which then brings forth claims of oldest continuous culture, though of course, Australia was at the end of mans migration out of Africa, people are older and been elsewhere longer  everywhere else.  Kalahari bushmen and PNG tribal would have equal and better claims to an ancient existing culture, but they don’t have boosters who can point to old rocks covered with ochre. 

Aboriginal exceptionalism is a luvvie manifestation of cultural cringe on behalf of aboriginals. Instead of thinking and treating them as different to the rest of humanity they would have been less destructive to recognise them as fellow humans.
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Reply #9 - May 8th, 2019 at 9:34am
 
Secret Wars wrote on May 8th, 2019 at 9:20am:
Just a new aboriginal industry, that of claiming exceptionalism.

There are two views of aboriginals, the romantic twaddle of the luvvies who see them as bush fairies and conservators of the land with some sort of special spiritual resonance with country  and the pragmatic reality that they are a tribal people no different to any others around the world.

Tribal people have always, everywhere, looked to the skies for cues to seasons, the worlds natural ebb and flow of resources, when fish and flowers are in, when to plant and when to harvest.  The skies are full of stories and creation myths, again all over the world. Only here with the idiots of the left in the cause of aboriginal exceptionalism it’s claimed as aboriginals discovered astronomy. 

Same with being bush fairies and conservators, constrained by lack of resources because they did not have the means to exploit those resources, ie just sticks and rocks, it’s hard to make a negative impact on a continent, it’s not that they were proto greenies, they just had a small imprint on the land.  When chopping down a tree is a major endeavour you don’t go about clear felling for log cabins, but thats just technology, given the opportunity they would prefer the log cabin to the bark hut because, being people, not exceptional, they recognise and value comfort and ease.

Aquaculture is another claim for aboriginal exceptionalism, again, used throughout the world.

Aboriginals inhabited a stable and eroded continent which means many of the earliest artifacts still survive which then brings forth claims of oldest continuous culture, though of course, Australia was at the end of mans migration out of Africa, people are older and been elsewhere longer  everywhere else.  Kalahari bushmen and PNG tribal would have equal and better claims to an ancient existing culture, but they don’t have boosters who can point to old rocks covered with ochre. 

Aboriginal exceptionalism is a luvvie manifestation of cultural cringe on behalf of aboriginals. Instead of thinking and treating them as different to the rest of humanity they would have been less destructive to recognise them as fellow humans.       


Well said. We all want the lot of the Aboriginals to improve, and we all recognise they have wants and needs, hopes and desires but trying to evevate their culture to something they simply were not is probably counter-productive.
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Reply #10 - May 8th, 2019 at 3:22pm
 
The outrage when it is suggested that Aboriginal peoples were more than the absolute basic form of life is hilarious.

You just can't make it work with your prejudice, can you? All of these scientific discoveries that speak not of great pyramids, (but behold the derision) but of a level of sophistication and a unique intelligence that fleshes them out a little.

You simply prefer to think of them as little more than animals.

You just refuse to be interested in Aboriginal people. It's astonishing. You learned in school that they were stone age and you will not challenge that ... because then you would have to question yourselves.

And then you'd have to admit for all of the shortcomings of Aboriginals (that you rely on to keep them being less than you), they didn't utterly root this country in just over 200 years. It took us to do that.

Perhaps if you stopped exaggerating all of the claims made by anthropologists, botanists, archaeologists, etc, so as to make it ridiculous and therefore more easy to dismiss, you'd see that nothing outlandish has been claimed. It all makes perfect sense.

You just don't want to challenge your colonial ideas. Fortunately, you are in the minority and the world will move on and leave you behind.
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Reply #11 - May 8th, 2019 at 4:20pm
 
mothra wrote on May 8th, 2019 at 3:22pm:
The outrage when it is suggested that Aboriginal peoples were more than the absolute basic form of life is hilarious.

You just can't make it work with your prejudice, can you? All of these scientific discoveries that speak not of great pyramids, (but behold the derision) but of a level of sophistication and a unique intelligence that fleshes them out a little.

You simply prefer to think of them as little more than animals.

You just refuse to be interested in Aboriginal people. It's astonishing. You learned in school that they were stone age and you will not challenge that ... because then you would have to question yourselves.

And then you'd have to admit for all of the shortcomings of Aboriginals (that you rely on to keep them being less than you), they didn't utterly root this country in just over 200 years. It took us to do that.

Perhaps if you stopped exaggerating all of the claims made by anthropologists, botanists, archaeologists, etc, so as to make it ridiculous and therefore more easy to dismiss, you'd see that nothing outlandish has been claimed. It all makes perfect sense.

You just don't want to challenge your colonial ideas. Fortunately, you are in the minority and the world will move on and leave you behind.


Not at all - I simply prefer to make fun of outlandish claims.....

Big bee in the bonnet again, mothra?
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Reply #12 - May 8th, 2019 at 5:41pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 8th, 2019 at 4:20pm:
mothra wrote on May 8th, 2019 at 3:22pm:
The outrage when it is suggested that Aboriginal peoples were more than the absolute basic form of life is hilarious.

You just can't make it work with your prejudice, can you? All of these scientific discoveries that speak not of great pyramids, (but behold the derision) but of a level of sophistication and a unique intelligence that fleshes them out a little.

You simply prefer to think of them as little more than animals.

You just refuse to be interested in Aboriginal people. It's astonishing. You learned in school that they were stone age and you will not challenge that ... because then you would have to question yourselves.

And then you'd have to admit for all of the shortcomings of Aboriginals (that you rely on to keep them being less than you), they didn't utterly root this country in just over 200 years. It took us to do that.

Perhaps if you stopped exaggerating all of the claims made by anthropologists, botanists, archaeologists, etc, so as to make it ridiculous and therefore more easy to dismiss, you'd see that nothing outlandish has been claimed. It all makes perfect sense.

You just don't want to challenge your colonial ideas. Fortunately, you are in the minority and the world will move on and leave you behind.


Not at all - I simply prefer to make fun of outlandish claims.....

Big bee in the bonnet again, mothra?



Except of course, no outlandish claims have been made. Your impulse is to diminish, dismiss and ridicule.

Just as you are trying to do with me by relegating my commentary to a "bee in my bonnet".
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Reply #13 - May 8th, 2019 at 5:50pm
 
Secret Wars wrote on May 8th, 2019 at 9:20am:
Just a new aboriginal industry, that of claiming exceptionalism.

There are two views of aboriginals, the romantic twaddle of the luvvies who see them as bush fairies and conservators of the land with some sort of special spiritual resonance with country  and the pragmatic reality that they are a tribal people no different to any others around the world.

Tribal people have always, everywhere, looked to the skies for cues to seasons, the worlds natural ebb and flow of resources, when fish and flowers are in, when to plant and when to harvest.  The skies are full of stories and creation myths, again all over the world. Only here with the idiots of the left in the cause of aboriginal exceptionalism it’s claimed as aboriginals discovered astronomy. 

Same with being bush fairies and conservators, constrained by lack of resources because they did not have the means to exploit those resources, ie just sticks and rocks, it’s hard to make a negative impact on a continent, it’s not that they were proto greenies, they just had a small imprint on the land.  When chopping down a tree is a major endeavour you don’t go about clear felling for log cabins, but thats just technology, given the opportunity they would prefer the log cabin to the bark hut because, being people, not exceptional, they recognise and value comfort and ease.

Aquaculture is another claim for aboriginal exceptionalism, again, used throughout the world.

Aboriginals inhabited a stable and eroded continent which means many of the earliest artifacts still survive which then brings forth claims of oldest continuous culture, though of course, Australia was at the end of mans migration out of Africa, people are older and been elsewhere longer  everywhere else.  Kalahari bushmen and PNG tribal would have equal and better claims to an ancient existing culture, but they don’t have boosters who can point to old rocks covered with ochre. 

Aboriginal exceptionalism is a luvvie manifestation of cultural cringe on behalf of aboriginals. Instead of thinking and treating them as different to the rest of humanity they would have been less destructive to recognise them as fellow humans.       



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Reply #14 - May 8th, 2019 at 7:23pm
 
The likes of Bwibwi and Moths post preposterous rubbish like this so when the enviable replies come in, they can look at themselves in the mirror, form their mouths into the shape of a cats bum and reflect on how morally superior they are.
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