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Reply #60 - May 14th, 2019 at 7:43pm
 
Bias_2012 wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 12:31pm:
Captain Nemo wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 12:10pm:
Blimey ... these types get to vote:

https://i.imgur.com/jTEy20X.jpg   Grin



That's right, they'd be ill-informed rusted-on Labor party voters, and it's why we need to go back to voluntary voting


Yet we got mandatory voting from the conservatives for the exact opposite reason. The wealthy were too lazy to be bothered to vote.
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Reply #61 - May 14th, 2019 at 7:50pm
 
Bias_2012 wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 12:31pm:
Captain Nemo wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 12:10pm:
Blimey ... these types get to vote:

https://i.imgur.com/jTEy20X.jpg   Grin



That's right, they'd be ill-informed rusted-on Labor party voters, and it's why we need to go back to voluntary voting


Funny they look just like Howard's battlers
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Reply #62 - May 15th, 2019 at 1:29pm
 
1 in 3 voters are voting early, not even waiting till election day, they're as keen as mustard. Perhaps we can now abandon compulsory voting with it's duress, it's revenue raising and violation of human rights

The vast majority of voters would still vote if voting was voluntary
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Reply #63 - May 15th, 2019 at 1:36pm
 
AaronCRescue wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 6:33pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 14th, 2019 at 6:16pm:
Of course not but it has nothing to do with elections. That's what they are doing not what they are saying

Spot


They aren't "doing" anything, they are making promises of spending BILLIONS of OUR MONEY to get elected.


Then what happened to telstra and  electricity and the post offices?

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Reply #64 - May 16th, 2019 at 2:12pm
 
Voting is Compulsory

The
Commonwealth Electoral Act 1918
, under section 245(1), states:
”It shall be the duty of every elector to vote at each election”.


Under the Electoral Act, the actual duty of the elector is to attend a polling
place, have their name marked off the certified list, receive a ballot paper and
take it to an individual voting booth, ma
rk it, fold the ballot paper and place it
in the ballot box.


It is not the case, as some people have claimed, that it is only compulsory to
attend the polling place and have your name marked off



Anyone who tells you that voting is a right in Australia ... and says it's only compulsory to get your name marked off [the electoral roll], and not the act of filling out the ballot papers, is just spruiking bullsh!t

How many ill-informed posters on Ozpolitics have said: "It's not compulsory to fill out the ballot papers, it's only compulsory to get your name crossed off" ?
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Reply #65 - May 16th, 2019 at 2:16pm
 
Bias_2012 wrote on May 16th, 2019 at 2:12pm:
Voting is Compulsory

The
Commonwealth Electoral Act 1918
, under section 245(1), states:
”It shall be the duty of every elector to vote at each election”.


Under the Electoral Act, the actual duty of the elector is to attend a polling
place, have their name marked off the certified list, receive a ballot paper and
take it to an individual voting booth, ma
rk it, fold the ballot paper and place it
in the ballot box.


It is not the case, as some people have claimed, that it is only compulsory to
attend the polling place and have your name marked off



Anyone who tells you that voting is a right in Australia ... and says it's only compulsory to get your name marked off [the electoral roll], and not the act of filling out the ballot papers, is just spruiking bullsh!t

How many ill-informed posters on Ozpolitics have said: "It's not compulsory to fill out the ballot papers, it's only compulsory to get your name crossed off" ?


It's a common misconception.

Might put it in the 'myths' thread.

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Reply #66 - May 16th, 2019 at 4:03pm
 
Bias_2012 wrote on May 16th, 2019 at 2:12pm:
Voting is Compulsory

The
Commonwealth Electoral Act 1918
, under section 245(1), states:
”It shall be the duty of every elector to vote at each election”.


Under the Electoral Act, the actual duty of the elector is to attend a polling
place, have their name marked off the certified list, receive a ballot paper and
take it to an individual voting booth, ma
rk it, fold the ballot paper and place it
in the ballot box.


It is not the case, as some people have claimed, that it is only compulsory to
attend the polling place and have your name marked off



Anyone who tells you that voting is a right in Australia ... and says it's only compulsory to get your name marked off [the electoral roll], and not the act of filling out the ballot papers, is just spruiking bullsh!t

How many ill-informed posters on Ozpolitics have said: "It's not compulsory to fill out the ballot papers, it's only compulsory to get your name crossed off" ?


Of course it is compulsory.  It is also against "the rules" to vote pre-poll UNLESS you have one of these excuses .... voting pre-poll just because you want to "get it over with" is, probably, "illegal", since replying "yes" when asked "will you be out of the electorate" is obviously telling porkies.  People do it anyway.  Cool

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Early voting eligibility

You can vote early either in person or by post if on election day you:

    are outside the electorate where you are enrolled to vote
    are more than 8km from a polling place
    are travelling
    are unable to leave your workplace to vote
    are seriously ill, infirm or due to give birth shortly (or caring for someone who is)
    are a patient in hospital and can't vote at the hospital
    have religious beliefs that prevent you from attending a polling place
    are in prison serving a sentence of less than three years or otherwise detained
    are a silent elector
    have a reasonable fear for your safety.
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Reply #67 - May 16th, 2019 at 4:51pm
 
Voting should revert back to voluntary to bring human dignity into the equation. The compulsory voting law is dehumanizing and antiquated. We've moved on from the days of "Do as you're told", from getting the strap at home, from getting the cane at school, etc

But still Parliaments insist on rapping us on the knuckles and sending us to bed without tea
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Reply #68 - May 16th, 2019 at 5:04pm
 
Bias_2012 wrote on May 16th, 2019 at 4:51pm:
Voting should revert back to voluntary to bring human dignity into the equation. The compulsory voting law is dehumanized and antiquated. We've moved on from the days of "Do as you're told", from getting the strap at home, from getting the cane at school, etc

But still Parliaments insist on rapping us on the knuckles and sending us to bed without tea


Totally agree. It was brought in when the Australian population was very small. It is NOT democratic as far as I am concerned!

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Brief History. Enrolment and voting in federal elections was voluntary from 1901. Queensland was the first State to introduce compulsory voting in 1915. Compulsory voting for Federal elections was introduced in 1924 and first used in the 1925 elections when 91.31% of the electorate cast a vote.


While they are at it, they should get rid of this ridiculous preferential voting system.

Voluntary voting, pick 1 and no second, third, fourth, etc preference.

DONE!
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Reply #69 - May 17th, 2019 at 2:03pm
 
This will test voters knowledge of the often used "Two Parties Preferred" concept

Does "Two Party Preferred" only apply to the ALP and the Coalition?

Be honest now
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Reply #70 - May 17th, 2019 at 2:06pm
 
Bias_2012 wrote on May 17th, 2019 at 2:03pm:
This will test voters knowledge of the often used "Two Parties Preferred" concept

Does "Two Party Preferred" only apply to the ALP and the Coalition?

Be honest now


What does The Australian Constitution say on the matter, Bias?

I'm curious.

(The answer to your question is 'no', by the way).
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Reply #71 - May 18th, 2019 at 12:37am
 
Because of the secrecy of the ballot, it is not possible to determine whether a person has completed their ballot paper prior to placing it in the ballot box. It is therefore not possible to determine whether all electors have met their legislated duty to vote. - AEC

Lib Lab and AEC compulsory voting logic  he he
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Reply #72 - May 19th, 2019 at 11:47am
 
Bias_2012 wrote on May 17th, 2019 at 2:03pm:
This will test voters knowledge of the often used "Two Parties Preferred" concept

Does "Two Party Preferred" only apply to the ALP and the Coalition?

Be honest now



In Australian politics, the two-party-preferred vote (TPP or 2PP) is the result of an election or opinion poll after preferences have been distributed to the highest two candidates, who in some cases can be independents.

The two-candidate-preferred vote (TCP) is the result after preferences have been distributed, using instant-runoff voting, to the final two candidates, regardless of which party the candidates represent.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-party-preferred_vote

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