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Re: The right to vote
Reply #30 - May 13^th, 2019 at 8:19am

Bias_2012 wrote on May 13^th, 2019 at 12:29am:

John Smith wrote on May 12^th, 2019 at 12:15pm:

why is it so hard for some to just turn up and vote? Seriously, facebook and youtube can do without you for 15 mins

It's taking a while to get through to you. There's no easy way for us in our village to vote, it can take a half a day or more by the time we get back, traveling on what must be the worst roads in Australia ... and that's if heavy rain doesn't flood the causeway on the only road out of the village, usually it does flood. Or hit a roo which jumps out in front of the car, even going slow, every day roos get hit

Postal voting can take up to three weeks, the mail contractor doesn't deliver every day, and often delivers mail to wrong addresses. I sometimes get other peoples rego and greenslip papers. There is no letter pick-up, if I want to post a letter, a 92k round trip awaits me

You don't know much about the bush, do you?

You can apply for and complete your postal vote ONLINE. No need to be waiting for "mail contractors". Check the AEC site under "voting options". Wink

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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26460 Australia	Re: The right to vote Reply #31 - May 13^th, 2019 at 8:55am It's the principle. If you don't vote you are a criminal. Boring isn't a right it's compulsory. Australia is becoming more and more authoritarian. Not socialist though. Spot
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Reply #32 - May 13^th, 2019 at 12:07pm

Bias_2012 wrote on May 12^th, 2019 at 11:51pm:

The argument is socialist authoritarianism versus ethical individual freedom within society

Socialist authoritarianism, if continued, leads to an obvious conclusion, and both major parties are leading us there. It's leading us to a societal outcome very similar to China, strict social order with a capitalist economy. The only difference being, while China has one authoritarian party, we would have two ruling authoritarian parties, the socialist ALP and the socialist Coalition

We already have a society, the populace living in Australia. Why turn it into a socialist authoritarian society?

More hyperbole and the slippery slope fallacy

We arn't like China. To suggest so is ridiculous.
Australia is economically much less socialist than it was in the 70s so to suggest this is leading us down the path to socialism is alarmist nonsense.

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Reply #33 - May 13^th, 2019 at 2:12pm

AaronCRescue wrote on May 13^th, 2019 at 8:19am:

You can apply for and complete your postal vote ONLINE. No need to be waiting for "mail contractors". Check the AEC site under "voting options".

You're not a very well informed voter, nor a responsible citizen. advising people they can do a postal vote online

You can only upload an application form for a postal vote, and send it. Ballot papers are sent out by mail, and they must be witnessed, then returned by mail to the AEC

If you were an informed voter, you should already know this. But you're not an informed voter. Who would trust you to vote for the right candidate or know what the important issues were for Australia's secure future?

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Bias_2012 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10310 Gender:	Re: The right to vote Reply #34 - May 13^th, 2019 at 2:16pm Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 13^th, 2019 at 8:55am: It's the principle. If you don't vote you are a criminal. Boring isn't a right it's compulsory. Australia is becoming more and more authoritarian. Not socialist though . Spot You're kidding of course
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Reply #35 - May 13^th, 2019 at 3:24pm

The_Barnacle wrote on May 13^th, 2019 at 12:07pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on May 12^th, 2019 at 11:51pm:

The argument is socialist authoritarianism versus ethical individual freedom within society

Socialist authoritarianism, if continued, leads to an obvious conclusion, and both major parties are leading us there. It's leading us to a societal outcome very similar to China, strict social order with a capitalist economy. The only difference being, while China has one authoritarian party, we would have two ruling authoritarian parties, the socialist ALP and the socialist Coalition

We already have a society, the populace living in Australia. Why turn it into a socialist authoritarian society?

More hyperbole and the slippery slope fallacy

We arn't like China. To suggest so is ridiculous.
Australia is economically much less socialist than it was in the 70s so to suggest this is leading us down the path to socialism is alarmist nonsense.

I didn't say we were like China, I said we are heading that way, where the government will maintain strict social order. Ethical behavior will be formulated by government with the individual losing the capacity to think for him/her self in an ethical sense

In our mixed economy, socialism is moving inextricably towards the "pure socialism" half - that's the obvious conclusion down the line of Labor Party philosophy, and the Liberals will help them do that as long as the Liberals can hold the reins of the capitalism half - a bi-partisan arrangement if you like

"A mixed economy is an economy organized with some free market elements and some socialistic elements, which lies on a continuum somewhere between pure capitalism and pure socialism."

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Reply #36 - May 13^th, 2019 at 7:02pm

Bias_2012 wrote on May 13^th, 2019 at 2:12pm:

AaronCRescue wrote on May 13^th, 2019 at 8:19am:

You can apply for and complete your postal vote ONLINE. No need to be waiting for "mail contractors". Check the AEC site under "voting options".

You're not a very well informed voter, nor a responsible citizen. advising people they can do a postal vote online

You can only upload an application form for a postal vote, and send it. Ballot papers are sent out by mail, and they must be witnessed, then returned by mail to the AEC

If you were an informed voter, you should already know this. But you're not an informed voter. Who would trust you to vote for the right candidate or know what the important issues were for Australia's secure future?

Sorry. I misread the instructions. Sad

These days, people should be able to vote online .... they should NOT be compelled to vote. VOTING should be a CHOICE.

Compulsory Voting is NOT democratic. Some say that it isn't compulsory to VOTE but if you don't .....

Solution? When you change your address, do NOT register as a voter. They can't find you if you don't exist. Wink

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Reply #37 - May 13^th, 2019 at 7:10pm

Bias_2012 wrote on May 13^th, 2019 at 12:29am:

Postal voting can take up to three weeks, the mail contractor doesn't deliver every day

who cares how long it takes? As long as you submit your vote on or before election day, it doesn't matter how long it takes them to receive it. It's no longer your problem after that. You've done your duty.

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Reply #38 - May 13^th, 2019 at 8:33pm

John Smith wrote on May 13^th, 2019 at 7:10pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on May 13^th, 2019 at 12:29am:

Postal voting can take up to three weeks, the mail contractor doesn't deliver every day

who cares how long it takes? As long as you submit your vote on or before election day, it doesn't matter how long it takes them to receive it. It's no longer your problem after that. You've done your duty.

THIS is the problem. ONCE you are registered that is IT? Duty? Grin

Choice is ... IF you move, and care less about voting, don't bother to tell the AEC. Grin

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Reply #39 - May 13^th, 2019 at 8:34pm

AaronCRescue wrote on May 13^th, 2019 at 7:02pm:

Solution? When you change your address, do NOT register as a voter. They can't find you if you don't exist.

You'd have to change your name as well because just changing your address is not enough, the government debt collector has the power to search your records, drivers license, council rates etc. So if you owe a "fail to vote" fine, they'll find you - It's all pretty authoritarian, that's how the Libs and Labs are, they made the rules

Yes, voting should be voluntary. Making it compulsory is a violation of human rights, and is born out of the concept of tyranny.

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Reply #40 - May 13^th, 2019 at 9:06pm

Bias_2012 wrote on May 13^th, 2019 at 2:16pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 13^th, 2019 at 8:55am:

It's the principle. If you don't vote you are a criminal. Boring isn't a right it's compulsory. Australia is becoming more and more authoritarian.

Not socialist though

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Spot

You're kidding of course

He is not only not kidding but also right. Australia have clearly moved away from social values. too far away. We once had a good balance and got the benefit of the best from both.

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Dnarever Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 57171 Here Gender:	Re: The right to vote Reply #41 - May 13^th, 2019 at 9:08pm For the cost of about 20 minutes once every three years we get about the most well balance and most representative democracy on the planet. A very good deal.
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Reply #42 - May 13^th, 2019 at 9:11pm

Bias_2012 wrote on May 13^th, 2019 at 8:34pm:

AaronCRescue wrote on May 13^th, 2019 at 7:02pm:

Solution? When you change your address, do NOT register as a voter. They can't find you if you don't exist.

You'd have to change your name as well because just changing your address is not enough, the government debt collector has the power to search your records, drivers license, council rates etc. So if you owe a "fail to vote" fine, they'll find you - It's all pretty authoritarian, that's how the Libs and Labs are, they made the rules

Yes, voting should be voluntary. Making it compulsory is a violation of human rights, and is born out of the concept of tyranny.

I know a guy who went to vote one year and got told that he couldn't vote because he was dead. You have no idea how difficult electoral reincarnation is.

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Reply #43 - May 13^th, 2019 at 11:56pm

Dnarever wrote on May 13^th, 2019 at 9:08pm:

For the cost of about 20 minutes once every three years we get about the most well balance and most representative democracy on the planet.

A very good deal.

Good for you if it only takes 20 minutes. For me it takes a half a day round trip traveling on dirt roads, the worst you'll see, and the village I live in gets no GST funding for anything. It still has dusty dirt roads for streets, no curb and guttering, no footpaths, no storm water drainage, no mobile reception, no sewage, no street lighting to speak of, no decent bridges and no garbage collection ... and our rates have gone up three times in two years

A very good deal indeed !! .... like hell it is

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Reply #44 - May 14^th, 2019 at 8:50am

It would be more fun if we were forced to vote at gunpoint.

We vote for just 2 Parties that belt the Australian Public around like Tag-Team Wrestlers.

There should be x8 Parties, like there is x8 Regions of the World.

Even with the Sub-Parties of Greens, Democrats, etc - they are in essence, been swallowed up by the two major Parties.

ALP = Labor/Unions/Greens
LNP = Liberal/National/Democrats

...this is why the real Australian system is trying to come through via Independents.

Imagine a town with just Woolworths or Coles to shop from - nothing else. Roll Eyes

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