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Reply #30 - May 7th, 2019 at 12:25pm
 
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Reply #31 - May 7th, 2019 at 12:57pm
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on May 7th, 2019 at 11:21am:
Gnads wrote on May 7th, 2019 at 9:42am:
Karnal wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 11:46am:
Ye Grappler wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 12:02am:
True - told you you were right on the mark twice a day... such an 'economy' is artificial because the skills pool will run dry and be diluted long before it remains stable .... we have no need for unskilled labour at this time....


Indeed, but given Australia's immigration program - unlike the US - is skills-based, your point is irrelevant.


Since when have refugees from the ME & nth Africa been a "skills" based exercise?

That's laughable when they are deporting skilled residents who not only got their qualifications here they've also had children here.


If Australia is deporting skilled residents Gnads is in no danger.


You're as humorous as a terrorist attack. Roll Eyes
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Reply #32 - May 7th, 2019 at 12:58pm
 
Karnal wrote on May 7th, 2019 at 10:24am:
Gnads wrote on May 7th, 2019 at 9:42am:
Karnal wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 11:46am:
Ye Grappler wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 12:02am:
True - told you you were right on the mark twice a day... such an 'economy' is artificial because the skills pool will run dry and be diluted long before it remains stable .... we have no need for unskilled labour at this time....


Indeed, but given Australia's immigration program - unlike the US - is skills-based, your point is irrelevant.


Since when have refugees from the ME & nth Africa been a "skills" based exercise?

That's laughable when they are deporting skilled residents who not only got their qualifications here they've also had children here.


Refugees are not part of the skilled migration intake, Gonads.

You really should read the posts before commenting, dear.


Why? ... I read what you wrote further back ... doesn't mean I have to take that as gospel dearie.
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Re: Australia doomed by addiction to immigration
Reply #33 - May 7th, 2019 at 1:04pm
 
mothra wrote on May 7th, 2019 at 11:33am:
Karnal wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 4:00pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 3:14pm:
Karnal wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 1:40pm:
The big unaccounted intake comes from students.


I always thought that.

I did a diploma in IT in the early 2000s. All my classes were dominated by Indians (plus a few Bangladeshis, Pakistanis and Sri Lankans). I got to know a lot of them really well. I can't think of a single one of them who didn't end up getting PR in Australia.


Sure, but not long after that, IT was taken off the list.


What do you mean by this?

I ask because someone i care very much about is about to undertake a IT course under a student VISA with the hope of staying here.

The crazy thing in his case is that he has to quit full time employment (3yrs duration) to undertake the course at massively inflated prices. He's been living here for about 5 years.


Here 5 years on a student visa & then decides to do IT with the intention of staying here?

Him and a lot more, it would seem that the only reason they come on student visas is to get into the country, then work.

Study is an excuse but it's to actually migrate.

If the arse is out of IT what have they been studying for 5 years that is of no value requiring a new course?
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Reply #34 - May 7th, 2019 at 1:06pm
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on May 7th, 2019 at 12:05pm:
Ye Grappler wrote on May 7th, 2019 at 11:55am:
Laugh till you cry wrote on May 7th, 2019 at 11:26am:
Ye Grappler wrote on May 7th, 2019 at 12:04am:
Laugh till you cry wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 4:06pm:
Karnal wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 4:09pm:
There are certain skills we need - particularly in rural areas.


Australian sheep-shaggers are unmatched.


Kiwis beat them hands down....


Are ewe done? How's the wether down there?


Ay-Rabs are good with goats.... we need more goat handlers...


Are you worked to the bone? Are you advocating adding goat husbandry to the immigration skills list?


It would be if they were doing animal science dopey.
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Reply #35 - May 7th, 2019 at 1:09pm
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on May 5th, 2019 at 12:08pm:
All sides of Australian politics are hooked on immigration because it bloats the GDP and hides falling income and rising costs.

All Australians are paying a tax for excessive immigration by downward pressure on wages, rising accommodation costs, congested roads and schools, overloaded hospitals, and rising costs of services.

Australia is the only developed country that accepts such high levels of immigration.


The largest number of Australian citizens who were not born in Australia come from England.
Nothing unusual considering that Australia is still a British colony (at least British protectorate).
So what's the problem then?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Australia

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Reply #36 - May 7th, 2019 at 1:13pm
 
Gnads wrote on May 7th, 2019 at 1:04pm:
mothra wrote on May 7th, 2019 at 11:33am:
Karnal wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 4:00pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 3:14pm:
Karnal wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 1:40pm:
The big unaccounted intake comes from students.


I always thought that.

I did a diploma in IT in the early 2000s. All my classes were dominated by Indians (plus a few Bangladeshis, Pakistanis and Sri Lankans). I got to know a lot of them really well. I can't think of a single one of them who didn't end up getting PR in Australia.


Sure, but not long after that, IT was taken off the list.


What do you mean by this?

I ask because someone i care very much about is about to undertake a IT course under a student VISA with the hope of staying here.

The crazy thing in his case is that he has to quit full time employment (3yrs duration) to undertake the course at massively inflated prices. He's been living here for about 5 years.


Here 5 years on a student visa & then decides to do IT with the intention of staying here?

Him and a lot more, it would seem that the only reason they come on student visas is to get into the country, then work.

Study is an excuse but it's to actually migrate.

If the arse is out of IT what have they been studying for 5 years that is of no value requiring a new course?


I didn't say he's been on a student VISA.

He's been on a spouse VISA. He's now in a new relationship.
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Re: Australia doomed by addiction to immigration
Reply #37 - May 7th, 2019 at 1:29pm
 
capitosinora wrote on May 7th, 2019 at 1:09pm:
Laugh till you cry wrote on May 5th, 2019 at 12:08pm:
All sides of Australian politics are hooked on immigration because it bloats the GDP and hides falling income and rising costs.

All Australians are paying a tax for excessive immigration by downward pressure on wages, rising accommodation costs, congested roads and schools, overloaded hospitals, and rising costs of services.

Australia is the only developed country that accepts such high levels of immigration.


The largest number of Australian citizens who were not born in Australia come from England.
Nothing unusual considering that Australia is still a British colony (at least British protectorate).
So what's the problem then?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Australia



The Poms coming to Australia are leaving because the UK is turning into a shytehole.

And we won't be far behind.

Then again there's heaps of areas in the US that are dangerous shyteholes .... so you're not immune either.

Oh & btw your original migrant base isn't much different to Australias .... just a bit older.
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Reply #38 - May 7th, 2019 at 1:34pm
 
mothra wrote on May 7th, 2019 at 1:13pm:
Gnads wrote on May 7th, 2019 at 1:04pm:
mothra wrote on May 7th, 2019 at 11:33am:
Karnal wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 4:00pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 3:14pm:
Karnal wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 1:40pm:
The big unaccounted intake comes from students.


I always thought that.

I did a diploma in IT in the early 2000s. All my classes were dominated by Indians (plus a few Bangladeshis, Pakistanis and Sri Lankans). I got to know a lot of them really well. I can't think of a single one of them who didn't end up getting PR in Australia.


Sure, but not long after that, IT was taken off the list.


What do you mean by this?

I ask because someone i care very much about is about to undertake a IT course under a student VISA with the hope of staying here.

The crazy thing in his case is that he has to quit full time employment (3yrs duration) to undertake the course at massively inflated prices. He's been living here for about 5 years.


Here 5 years on a student visa & then decides to do IT with the intention of staying here?

Him and a lot more, it would seem that the only reason they come on student visas is to get into the country, then work.

Study is an excuse but it's to actually migrate.

If the arse is out of IT what have they been studying for 5 years that is of no value requiring a new course?


I didn't say he's been on a student VISA.

He's been on a spouse VISA. He's now in a new relationship.


I'd say he should then be .....



You're not the new relationship?   Huh Grin
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Reply #39 - May 7th, 2019 at 1:36pm
 
Gnads wrote on May 7th, 2019 at 12:58pm:
Karnal wrote on May 7th, 2019 at 10:24am:
Gnads wrote on May 7th, 2019 at 9:42am:
Karnal wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 11:46am:
Ye Grappler wrote on May 6th, 2019 at 12:02am:
True - told you you were right on the mark twice a day... such an 'economy' is artificial because the skills pool will run dry and be diluted long before it remains stable .... we have no need for unskilled labour at this time....


Indeed, but given Australia's immigration program - unlike the US - is skills-based, your point is irrelevant.


Since when have refugees from the ME & nth Africa been a "skills" based exercise?

That's laughable when they are deporting skilled residents who not only got their qualifications here they've also had children here.


Refugees are not part of the skilled migration intake, Gonads.

You really should read the posts before commenting, dear.


Why? ... I read what you wrote further back ... doesn't mean I have to take that as gospel dearie.


Of course it's gospel. I'm not making it up, dear.

Immigrants are immigrants. Refugees are refugees. We take refugees in as our responsibility to the UNHCR treaty.

In the old days, there was no such distinction. The boats just came. Today, it's tightened up. We only take about 12,000 refugees a year - bugger all, considering the birth rate alone's about 300,000 a year.
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Reply #40 - May 7th, 2019 at 1:44pm
 
Gnads wrote on May 7th, 2019 at 1:29pm:
capitosinora wrote on May 7th, 2019 at 1:09pm:
Laugh till you cry wrote on May 5th, 2019 at 12:08pm:
All sides of Australian politics are hooked on immigration because it bloats the GDP and hides falling income and rising costs.

All Australians are paying a tax for excessive immigration by downward pressure on wages, rising accommodation costs, congested roads and schools, overloaded hospitals, and rising costs of services.

Australia is the only developed country that accepts such high levels of immigration.


The largest number of Australian citizens who were not born in Australia come from England.
Nothing unusual considering that Australia is still a British colony (at least British protectorate).
So what's the problem then?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Australia



The Poms coming to Australia are leaving because the UK is turning into a shytehole.

And we won't be far behind.

Then again there's heaps of areas in the US that are dangerous shyteholes .... so you're not immune either.

Oh & btw your original migrant base isn't much different to Australias .... just a bit older.


Could I encourage Gnads to return to his ancestral homeland?
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Reply #41 - May 7th, 2019 at 1:49pm
 
Bit hard for me as I'm of Irish, English, Scots & Franco- Prussian descent.

And you?
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Reply #42 - May 7th, 2019 at 3:27pm
 
Gnads wrote on May 7th, 2019 at 1:49pm:
Bit hard for me as I'm of Irish, English, Scots & Franco- Prussian descent.

And you?


Your technicolor dream-coat is a clever disguise for a closet pom.

You have the same lineage as Grappler claims, which makes you a genetically displaced person.
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Reply #43 - May 7th, 2019 at 4:29pm
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on May 7th, 2019 at 3:27pm:
Gnads wrote on May 7th, 2019 at 1:49pm:
Bit hard for me as I'm of Irish, English, Scots & Franco- Prussian descent.

And you?


Your technicolor dream-coat is a clever disguise for a closet pom.


Tanned, not tinted.
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Reply #44 - May 16th, 2019 at 11:56am
 
I get so frustrated about this topic.  Politicians only care about the next election.  They focus on short term goals. 

How can endless population growth be sustainable?

Australian economics should be focused more on the quality of life for current Australian Citizens and less on constant GDP growth.

Money is not the only factor that affects quality of life!!!

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