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Reply #15 - May 6^th, 2019 at 3:59pm

Mr Hammer wrote on May 6^th, 2019 at 2:17pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on May 6^th, 2019 at 1:26pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 6^th, 2019 at 11:54am:

Carnal takes this issue very personally.

Indeed. Karnal lives in Western Sydney, dear. His father's an immigrant from Mother England.

You?

Slums of Islammabad on the mother's side, however.

Slums of Watsons Bay on Mother's side, dear.

It was quite cheap during WWII.

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Reply #16 - May 6^th, 2019 at 4:00pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 6^th, 2019 at 3:14pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on May 6^th, 2019 at 1:40pm:

The big unaccounted intake comes from students.

I always thought that.

I did a diploma in IT in the early 2000s. All my classes were dominated by Indians (plus a few Bangladeshis, Pakistanis and Sri Lankans). I got to know a lot of them really well. I can't think of a single one of them who didn't end up getting PR in Australia.

Sure, but not long after that, IT was taken off the list.

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Reply #17 - May 6^th, 2019 at 4:04pm

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 6^th, 2019 at 3:54pm:

Unrestrained immigration is changing the face of the Australian economy. It is causing resources and agriculture to become a shrinking component of the GDP while services are increasing and imports of manufactured goods are accelerating.

The Australian economy is not booming so strongly that it needs unrestrained immigration.

Yes, but immigration itself can be a pump-primer.

There are certain skills we need - particularly in rural areas.

I think our problems could be solved if we just made it mandatory for certain skilled immigrants to live in certain rural areas.

If we can import labour based on skills, surely we can place those skills where they're needed. This could rejuvenate rural areas and regional towns. I'm not sure what the obstacle to this is.

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Re: Australia doomed by addiction to immigration
Reply #19 - May 6^th, 2019 at 7:11pm

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 6^th, 2019 at 4:06pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on May 6^th, 2019 at 4:09pm:

There are certain skills we need - particularly in rural areas.

Australian sheep-shaggers are unmatched.

True, but they often need anal clearance, dear. Sometimes they slip, you see, and get a bottle accidentally inserted in their rectums.

A simple mistake to make, and more common than you'd think.

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Reply #21 - May 7^th, 2019 at 9:42am

Mattyfisk wrote on May 6^th, 2019 at 11:46am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 6^th, 2019 at 12:02am:

True - told you you were right on the mark twice a day... such an 'economy' is artificial because the skills pool will run dry and be diluted long before it remains stable .... we have no need for unskilled labour at this time....

Indeed, but given Australia's immigration program - unlike the US - is skills-based, your point is irrelevant.

Since when have refugees from the ME & nth Africa been a "skills" based exercise?

That's laughable when they are deporting skilled residents who not only got their qualifications here they've also had children here.

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Reply #22 - May 7^th, 2019 at 10:24am

Gnads wrote on May 7^th, 2019 at 9:42am:

Mattyfisk wrote on May 6^th, 2019 at 11:46am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 6^th, 2019 at 12:02am:

True - told you you were right on the mark twice a day... such an 'economy' is artificial because the skills pool will run dry and be diluted long before it remains stable .... we have no need for unskilled labour at this time....

Indeed, but given Australia's immigration program - unlike the US - is skills-based, your point is irrelevant.

Since when have refugees from the ME & nth Africa been a "skills" based exercise?

That's laughable when they are deporting skilled residents who not only got their qualifications here they've also had children here.

Refugees are not part of the skilled migration intake, Gonads.

You really should read the posts before commenting, dear.

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Reply #23 - May 7^th, 2019 at 11:21am

Gnads wrote on May 7^th, 2019 at 9:42am:

Mattyfisk wrote on May 6^th, 2019 at 11:46am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 6^th, 2019 at 12:02am:

True - told you you were right on the mark twice a day... such an 'economy' is artificial because the skills pool will run dry and be diluted long before it remains stable .... we have no need for unskilled labour at this time....

Indeed, but given Australia's immigration program - unlike the US - is skills-based, your point is irrelevant.

Since when have refugees from the ME & nth Africa been a "skills" based exercise?

That's laughable when they are deporting skilled residents who not only got their qualifications here they've also had children here.

If Australia is deporting skilled residents Gnads is in no danger.

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Reply #24 - May 7^th, 2019 at 11:26am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 7^th, 2019 at 12:04am:

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 6^th, 2019 at 4:06pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on May 6^th, 2019 at 4:09pm:

There are certain skills we need - particularly in rural areas.

Australian sheep-shaggers are unmatched.

Kiwis beat them hands down....

Are ewe done? How's the wether down there?

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Reply #25 - May 7^th, 2019 at 11:33am

Mattyfisk wrote on May 6^th, 2019 at 4:00pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 6^th, 2019 at 3:14pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on May 6^th, 2019 at 1:40pm:

The big unaccounted intake comes from students.

I always thought that.

I did a diploma in IT in the early 2000s. All my classes were dominated by Indians (plus a few Bangladeshis, Pakistanis and Sri Lankans). I got to know a lot of them really well. I can't think of a single one of them who didn't end up getting PR in Australia.

Sure, but not long after that, IT was taken off the list.

What do you mean by this?

I ask because someone i care very much about is about to undertake a IT course under a student VISA with the hope of staying here.

The crazy thing in his case is that he has to quit full time employment (3yrs duration) to undertake the course at massively inflated prices. He's been living here for about 5 years.

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Reply #26 - May 7^th, 2019 at 11:43am

mothra wrote on May 7^th, 2019 at 11:33am:

Mattyfisk wrote on May 6^th, 2019 at 4:00pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 6^th, 2019 at 3:14pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on May 6^th, 2019 at 1:40pm:

The big unaccounted intake comes from students.

I always thought that.

I did a diploma in IT in the early 2000s. All my classes were dominated by Indians (plus a few Bangladeshis, Pakistanis and Sri Lankans). I got to know a lot of them really well. I can't think of a single one of them who didn't end up getting PR in Australia.

Sure, but not long after that, IT was taken off the list.

What do you mean by this?

I ask because someone i care very much about is about to undertake a IT course under a student VISA with the hope of staying here.

The crazy thing in his case is that he has to quit full time employment (3yrs duration) to undertake the course at massively inflated prices. He's been living here for about 5 years.

IT itself is not a job class. There is a big list of professions under 'computer'. You need to be selective and talk to the university which will tell you what areas it is ramping up to meet projected shortages.

https://immi.homeaffairs.gov.au/visas/working-in-australia/skill-occupation-list

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Reply #27 - May 7^th, 2019 at 11:47am

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 7^th, 2019 at 11:43am:

mothra wrote on May 7^th, 2019 at 11:33am:

Mattyfisk wrote on May 6^th, 2019 at 4:00pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 6^th, 2019 at 3:14pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on May 6^th, 2019 at 1:40pm:

The big unaccounted intake comes from students.

I always thought that.

I did a diploma in IT in the early 2000s. All my classes were dominated by Indians (plus a few Bangladeshis, Pakistanis and Sri Lankans). I got to know a lot of them really well. I can't think of a single one of them who didn't end up getting PR in Australia.

Sure, but not long after that, IT was taken off the list.

What do you mean by this?

I ask because someone i care very much about is about to undertake a IT course under a student VISA with the hope of staying here.

The crazy thing in his case is that he has to quit full time employment (3yrs duration) to undertake the course at massively inflated prices. He's been living here for about 5 years.

IT itself is not a job class. There is a big list of professions under 'computer'. You need to be selective and talk to the university which will tell you what areas it is ramping up to meet projected shortages.

https://immi.homeaffairs.gov.au/visas/working-in-australia/skill-occupation-list

Thanks for that. I will read and passon.

Problem is he can't afford university sois stuck with private colleges. He can go on payment plans with some of them ... uni and TAFE demand upfront fees and as he can't work, he's financially dependant on his partner ... who is on an award.

They're going into debt to get the VISA in the first place, which is $4,500.

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Re: Australia doomed by addiction to immigration
Reply #28 - May 7^th, 2019 at 11:55am

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 7^th, 2019 at 11:26am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 7^th, 2019 at 12:04am:

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 6^th, 2019 at 4:06pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on May 6^th, 2019 at 4:09pm:

There are certain skills we need - particularly in rural areas.

Australian sheep-shaggers are unmatched.

Kiwis beat them hands down....

Are ewe done? How's the wether down there?

Ay-Rabs are good with goats.... we need more goat handlers...

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Reply #29 - May 7^th, 2019 at 12:05pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 7^th, 2019 at 11:55am:

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 7^th, 2019 at 11:26am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 7^th, 2019 at 12:04am:

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 6^th, 2019 at 4:06pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on May 6^th, 2019 at 4:09pm:

There are certain skills we need - particularly in rural areas.

Australian sheep-shaggers are unmatched.