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Apr 30^th, 2019 at 7:51pm

I was watching "Who do you think you are?"
- the Ancestry Sleuth program.
Today was a Comedian... but his family trace led him to one of the most saddest stories. Sad

His biological Grandfather was never spoken of. He had just 'died', End of Story. His Grandmother remarried after her, nor anyone attended the Funeral of her now dead Husband. For the sake of her children - she turned her back on him in anger Angry

(cue Oasis music).
With much exploring and investigation with some very good Researchers of Ancestry (very impressed). He discovers that his biological grandfather was an Anzac and served on the Front Line for 2 years, where the bodies of the dead were left to rot. They were fighting over the dead like Ravens of Doom.
When he returned he produced a very clinical and at peace number of letters and documents to many people, resolving them of any blame.
He committed Suicide by 'gassing' himself at the workplace. He even had a letter absolving his Company for his Suicide and even recommended a 'mate' to them as his replacement.
In truth though - his return was anything but clinical or at peace. He suffered in fits of rage and torments and everyone, even his wife and kids, had to bear the brunt of it. He was still suffering.

The wife, wrote a letter concerning his death stating that, with even Medical backing, it was the 'WAR' that did it to him and it was not a 'hereditary trait'. She was seeking not 'financial' gain from it, but to have it recognised that his problem was not a 'family' thing.

But the answer from the Government was a NO as in NOT recognising that the WAR was responsible.

Pretty sad.

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Laugh till you cry Gold Member Offline Posts: 13879 In your happy place Gender:	Re: Anzac Suicides Reply #1 - Apr 30^th, 2019 at 9:12pm Grappler is suffering PTSD from his military fantasies. His deplorable mental state is such that he might even grow real bone spurs.
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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 46588 Gender:	Re: Anzac Suicides Reply #2 - Apr 30^th, 2019 at 10:12pm Laugh till you cry wrote on Apr 30^th, 2019 at 9:12pm: Grappler is suffering PTSD from his military fantasies. His deplorable mental state is such that he might even grow real bone spurs. You're an embarressment to Bantu culture.
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rhino Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17179 Gender:	Re: Anzac Suicides Reply #3 - Apr 30^th, 2019 at 10:24pm Suicide and PTSD are serious issues and both are closely related. Anyone who thinks these are joking matters need to take a good look at themselves.
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Reply #4 - Apr 30^th, 2019 at 10:40pm

2 years on a European Front during WW1 would have been horrendous. Men were living in 'graves' already dug deep, with the dead scattered all around them - rotting. The only reality you knew was that you would 'perform' a run into bullets, gases and shelling, when the whistle blows. Over mud, barbed wire, craters and many dead comrades. That was your job. To die from a battle or from the effects of War itself.
The War had taken his life in its own way. Out there - he lost the will to live. He was broken by the War.
It would eventually claim him.

[edit] He was obviously scared out his mind over there, for 2 years.

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Reply #5 - Apr 30^th, 2019 at 11:11pm

Despite the common misbelief, soldiers did not spend years in the trenches on the Western Front in WWI. They usually spent two weeks in the trenches, followed by two weeks out. When out of the trenches they were employed on various duties, often resupplying the soldiers in the trenches, or they were sent on courses or leave.

The British and Imperial Armies were unique in that they had schools set up behind the lines where soldiers were taught the latest tactical theories and practices. This ensured that the soldiers knew the latest techniques and methods to undertake attacks and mount defences. While the popular myth is that it was the Germans who invented the "stormtrooper tactics" they employed in 1918, they were actually employed by the British and Imperial armies up to 12 months earlier. British Army was also unique in that it utilised scientists and engineers to design new weapons and methods to undertake military operations. Only the German Army came close in that regard.

The reputation that the British (and by extension the Imperial Armies) were "lions led by donkeys," the reality was that WWI was a completely new experience for everybody. It took time and expertise which had to be developed to figure out how the attack could overcome the defence and breakthrough the enemy's lines.

By 1918, the trenches were over and done with and open maneuver warfare was occurring on the Western Front during the 100 days campaign. What prevented the British from actually following up the retreating German armies was the hideous destruction wrought in "no-man's land" between the two sets of lines. British logistics was centred on the use of railways and the rail lines and roads had been completely destroy and the earth turned over. Without either, the British were limited to how large a force they could sustain and it rapidly reduced down to a few divisions, rather than Armies.

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Re: Anzac Suicides
Reply #6 - May 1^st, 2019 at 11:28am

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 30^th, 2019 at 11:11pm:

Despite the common misbelief, soldiers did not spend years in the trenches on the Western Front in WWI. They usually spent two weeks in the trenches, followed by two weeks out. When out of the trenches they were employed on various duties, often resupplying the soldiers in the trenches, or they were sent on courses or leave.

The British and Imperial Armies were unique in that they had schools set up behind the lines where soldiers were taught the latest tactical theories and practices. This ensured that the soldiers knew the latest techniques and methods to undertake attacks and mount defences. While the popular myth is that it was the Germans who invented the "stormtrooper tactics" they employed in 1918, they were actually employed by the British and Imperial armies up to 12 months earlier. British Army was also unique in that it utilised scientists and engineers to design new weapons and methods to undertake military operations. Only the German Army came close in that regard.

The reputation that the British (and by extension the Imperial Armies) were "lions led by donkeys," the reality was that WWI was a completely new experience for everybody. It took time and expertise which had to be developed to figure out how the attack could overcome the defence and breakthrough the enemy's lines.

By 1918, the trenches were over and done with and open maneuver warfare was occurring on the Western Front during the 100 days campaign. What prevented the British from actually following up the retreating German armies was the hideous destruction wrought in "no-man's land" between the two sets of lines. British logistics was centred on the use of railways and the rail lines and roads had been completely destroy and the earth turned over. Without either, the British were limited to how large a force they could sustain and it rapidly reduced down to a few divisions, rather than Armies.

You're defending WW1 conditions for soldiers when it has been conclusively proven that leaders and tacticians had zero value on the lives of those under their command, and only cared about winning by any means necessary.

It is entirely evident you are incapable of argument and debate and are out to prove to Army that you are a true friend who will mask their flaws from the public.

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Reply #7 - May 1^st, 2019 at 1:02pm

Spatchcock wrote on May 1^st, 2019 at 11:28am:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 30^th, 2019 at 11:11pm:

Despite the common misbelief, soldiers did not spend years in the trenches on the Western Front in WWI. They usually spent two weeks in the trenches, followed by two weeks out. When out of the trenches they were employed on various duties, often resupplying the soldiers in the trenches, or they were sent on courses or leave.

The British and Imperial Armies were unique in that they had schools set up behind the lines where soldiers were taught the latest tactical theories and practices. This ensured that the soldiers knew the latest techniques and methods to undertake attacks and mount defences. While the popular myth is that it was the Germans who invented the "stormtrooper tactics" they employed in 1918, they were actually employed by the British and Imperial armies up to 12 months earlier. British Army was also unique in that it utilised scientists and engineers to design new weapons and methods to undertake military operations. Only the German Army came close in that regard.

The reputation that the British (and by extension the Imperial Armies) were "lions led by donkeys," the reality was that WWI was a completely new experience for everybody. It took time and expertise which had to be developed to figure out how the attack could overcome the defence and breakthrough the enemy's lines.

By 1918, the trenches were over and done with and open maneuver warfare was occurring on the Western Front during the 100 days campaign. What prevented the British from actually following up the retreating German armies was the hideous destruction wrought in "no-man's land" between the two sets of lines. British logistics was centred on the use of railways and the rail lines and roads had been completely destroy and the earth turned over. Without either, the British were limited to how large a force they could sustain and it rapidly reduced down to a few divisions, rather than Armies.

You're defending WW1 conditions for soldiers when it has been conclusively proven that leaders and tacticians had zero value on the lives of those under their command, and only cared about winning by any means necessary.

It is entirely evident you are incapable of argument and debate and are out to prove to Army that you are a true friend who will mask their flaws from the public.

Such ignorance, such unwillingness to listen/read or to learn. Roll Eyes

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Reply #8 - May 1^st, 2019 at 6:22pm

Jasin wrote on Apr 30^th, 2019 at 7:51pm:

I was watching "Who do you think you are?"
- the Ancestry Sleuth program.
Today was a Comedian... but his family trace led him to one of the most saddest stories. Sad

His biological Grandfather was never spoken of. He had just 'died', End of Story. His Grandmother remarried after her, nor anyone attended the Funeral of her now dead Husband. For the sake of her children - she turned her back on him in anger Angry

(cue Oasis music).
With much exploring and investigation with some very good Researchers of Ancestry (very impressed). He discovers that his biological grandfather was an Anzac and served on the Front Line for 2 years, where the bodies of the dead were left to rot. They were fighting over the dead like Ravens of Doom.
When he returned he produced a very clinical and at peace number of letters and documents to many people, resolving them of any blame.
He committed Suicide by 'gassing' himself at the workplace. He even had a letter absolving his Company for his Suicide and even recommended a 'mate' to them as his replacement.
In truth though - his return was anything but clinical or at peace. He suffered in fits of rage and torments and everyone, even his wife and kids, had to bear the brunt of it. He was still suffering.

The wife, wrote a letter concerning his death stating that, with even Medical backing, it was the 'WAR' that did it to him and it was not a 'hereditary trait'. She was seeking not 'financial' gain from it, but to have it recognised that his problem was not a 'family' thing.

But the answer from the Government was a NO as in NOT recognising that the WAR was responsible.

Pretty sad.

Catch Peter Jackson's They shall not grow old. Saw it on Anzac day. Stunning. You WILL remember them for ever.

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Reply #9 - May 1^st, 2019 at 9:07pm

Frank wrote on May 1^st, 2019 at 6:22pm:

Jasin wrote on Apr 30^th, 2019 at 7:51pm:

I was watching "Who do you think you are?"
- the Ancestry Sleuth program.
Today was a Comedian... but his family trace led him to one of the most saddest stories. Sad

His biological Grandfather was never spoken of. He had just 'died', End of Story. His Grandmother remarried after her, nor anyone attended the Funeral of her now dead Husband. For the sake of her children - she turned her back on him in anger Angry

(cue Oasis music).
With much exploring and investigation with some very good Researchers of Ancestry (very impressed). He discovers that his biological grandfather was an Anzac and served on the Front Line for 2 years, where the bodies of the dead were left to rot. They were fighting over the dead like Ravens of Doom.
When he returned he produced a very clinical and at peace number of letters and documents to many people, resolving them of any blame.
He committed Suicide by 'gassing' himself at the workplace. He even had a letter absolving his Company for his Suicide and even recommended a 'mate' to them as his replacement.
In truth though - his return was anything but clinical or at peace. He suffered in fits of rage and torments and everyone, even his wife and kids, had to bear the brunt of it. He was still suffering.

The wife, wrote a letter concerning his death stating that, with even Medical backing, it was the 'WAR' that did it to him and it was not a 'hereditary trait'. She was seeking not 'financial' gain from it, but to have it recognised that his problem was not a 'family' thing.

But the answer from the Government was a NO as in NOT recognising that the WAR was responsible.

Pretty sad.

Catch Peter Jackson's They shall not grow old. Saw it on Anzac day. Stunning. You WILL remember them for ever.

Tah Frank. Never heard of that one. Cool

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