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Apr 28^th, 2019 at 10:31am

Warm and cool periods in Earth's history.

RWP = Roman warm period

DACP = Dark ages cold period

MWP = Medieval warm period

LIA = Little ice age

CWP = Current warm period

http://www.co2science.org/data/mwp/studies/l1_northsweden.php

Medieval warm period warmer than today.

Dahl_Jensen et al 1998
Wagner & Melles 2001
Kaplan et al 2002
Jiang et al 2002
Moore et al 2001
Grudd et al 2002
Seppa & Birks 2002
Dansgaard et al 1975
Korhola et al 2000
Naurzbaev et al 2002
Vaganov et el 1996
Briffa et al 1998
Scweingruber & Briffa 1996
Knudsen et al 2004
Grinsted et al 2006
Besonen et al 2008
Wagner et al 2008
Vare et al 2009
Norgaard-Pedersen & Mikkelsen 2009
Andresen et al 2004
Vinther et al 2010
Kobashi et al 2010
Kobashi et al 2008
Stuiver et al 1995
Dansgaard et al 1975
Jenings & Weiner 1996
Johnsen et al 2001
Vinther et al 2010
Larsen et al 2011
Hill et al 2001
Joynt & Wolfe 2001
Hantemirov & Shiyatov 2002
Andersson et al 2003
Helama et al 2005
Mazepa 2005
Weckstrom et al 2006
Jiang et al 2007
Zabenski & Gajewski 2007
Grudd 2008
Justwan et al 2008
Scire et al 2008
Axford et al 2009
Bjune et al 2009
Cook et al 2009
Fortin & Gajewski 2010
Buntgen et al 2011
Divine et al 2011
Ran et al 2011
Velle et al 2011
D’Andrea et al 2012
Esper et al 2012

51 papers eureka nearly a consensus...........!!!

67 papers made the AGW consensus so going by that standard the above cannot be frowned upon..... Kiss

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PZ547 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9282 Gender:	Re: Current Global Warming unprecedented - Bullsh!t.! Reply #1 - Apr 28^th, 2019 at 10:51am Thanks, Ajax
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Pho Huc Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 985 Victoria Gender:	Re: Current Global Warming unprecedented - Bullsh!t.! Reply #2 - May 6^th, 2019 at 2:11pm the issue isnt actually the average temp. the issue is the average rate of increase of the temp. as in ten times faster than non agw climate variation.
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Reply #3 - May 6^th, 2019 at 2:50pm

Pho Huc wrote on May 6^th, 2019 at 2:11pm:

the issue isnt actually the average temp. the issue is the average rate of increase of the temp. as in ten times faster than non agw climate variation.

Do you have a reference for that ? Or should we simply dismiss it out of hand?

"The BBC's environment analyst Roger Harrabin put questions to Professor Jones, including several gathered from climate sceptics. The questions were put to Professor Jones with the co-operation of UEA's press office.

A - Do you agree that according to the global temperature record used by the IPCC, the rates of global warming from 1860-1880, 1910-1940 and 1975-1998 were identical?

An initial point to make is that in the responses to these questions I've assumed that when you talk about the global temperature record, you mean the record that combines the estimates from land regions with those from the marine regions of the world. CRU produces the land component, with the Met Office Hadley Centre producing the marine component.

Temperature data for the period 1860-1880 are more uncertain, because of sparser coverage, than for later periods in the 20th Century. The 1860-1880 period is also only 21 years in length. As for the two periods 1910-40 and 1975-1998 the warming rates are not statistically significantly different (see numbers below).

I have also included the trend over the period 1975 to 2009, which has a very similar trend to the period 1975-1998.

So, in answer to the question, the warming rates for all 4 periods are similar and not statistically significantly different from each other."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8511670.stm

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Pho Huc Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 985 Victoria Gender:	Re: Current Global Warming unprecedented - Bullsh!t.! Reply #4 - May 14^th, 2019 at 1:34pm Like I said. The current thermal delta is ten times higher than any point we have found in history. http://dx.doi.org/10.1098/rspa.2007.0347 http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/ar4/wg1/en/ch6.html http://dx.doi.org/10.1038/nature06949
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Reply #5 - May 14^th, 2019 at 2:51pm

The CO2 content has just recently risen to a new high of 415 ppm.

End times is here. The ecology is now in positive feedback mode and it is too late to turn it around as population grows and the oceans are a cesspool of garbage.

Ajax is getting hot under the collar reaching new highs under his collar.

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Reply #6 - May 14^th, 2019 at 3:52pm

Pho Huc wrote on May 14^th, 2019 at 1:34pm:

The current thermal delta is ten times higher than any point we have found in history.

Pho Huc wrote on May 14^th, 2019 at 1:34pm:

http://dx.doi.org/10.1098/rspa.2007.0347

Nothing there about anything being ten times anything in history.

Pho Huc wrote on May 14^th, 2019 at 1:34pm:

http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/ar4/wg1/en/ch6.html

"Page not found."

Pho Huc wrote on May 14^th, 2019 at 1:34pm:

http://dx.doi.org/10.1038/nature06949

You do know a paper about CO2 concentrations, flawed because of the loss of data in the firn and also because of the smoothing used, does not represent thermal anything?

From your reference -

"Carbon dioxide measurements on Dome C ice, focusing on the interval 390 to 650 kyr before present, BP (2,700–3,060 m)4, confirmed the strong coupling between CO2 and Antarctic temperature found1 in the Vostok ice core for the past 420 kyr."

That's a very funny statement, if true.

They focused on the interval 390 to 650 KYR before present and came to a conclusion covering the last 420kyr? Grin

BTW - There seems to have been trouble with their Delta T.

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Reply #8 - May 15^th, 2019 at 1:37am

lee wrote on May 14^th, 2019 at 3:52pm:

Pho Huc wrote on May 14^th, 2019 at 1:34pm:

The current thermal delta is ten times higher than any point we have found in history.

https://media.nature.com/m685/nature-assets/nature/journal/v453/n7193/images/nat...

Look at this picture and tell me what the historic mean delta for a 1dg change has been, And then compare that to current measured rate of change. Hence my point about current change being at a minimum ten times faster.

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DonDeeHippy Gold Member Offline Cool Stuff Posts: 2782 Australia Gender:	Re: Current Global Warming unprecedented - Bullsh!t.! Reply #9 - May 15^th, 2019 at 7:08am lee wrote on May 14^th, 2019 at 3:53pm: And in more recent new Ocasio-Cortez has said that what she said about us dying in the next 12 years was a "joke". yup never trust politicians
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16400 Gender:	Re: Current Global Warming unprecedented - Bullsh!t.! Reply #10 - May 15^th, 2019 at 11:33am DonDeeHippy wrote on May 15^th, 2019 at 7:08am: lee wrote on May 14^th, 2019 at 3:53pm: And in more recent new Ocasio-Cortez has said that what she said about us dying in the next 12 years was a "joke". yup never trust politicians I have been saying that for years.
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Laugh till you cry Gold Member Offline Posts: 13817 In your happy place Gender:	Re: Current Global Warming unprecedented - Bullsh!t.! Reply #11 - May 15^th, 2019 at 11:41am Ajax and lee need to have their collar thermometers recalibrated. Could we have human spontaneous combustion occurring for the first time to Ozpolitic denizens?
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Reply #12 - May 15^th, 2019 at 11:48am

Pho Huc wrote on May 15^th, 2019 at 1:37am:

Look at this picture and tell me what the historic mean delta for a 1dg change has been, And then compare that to current measured rate of change. Hence my point about current change being at a minimum ten times faster.

Let's see -

Temperature is at the top part of the graphic. CO2 the lower part of the graphic.

0 years before present at left of screen. That is all those wiggles. No great Delta T. Perhaps the CO2 has pushed back the next glacial. That can only be a good thing.

BTW - their 0 years before present is a misnomer.

"Dome C "800,000-year" EPICA record (796,500 BCE-1813 CE)"

The record

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/icecore/antarctica/domec/domec_epica_data.html

https://cdiac.ess-dive.lbl.gov/trends/atm_meth/ice_core_methane.html

The link for the reference.

So tell me what you think you see.

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Reply #13 - May 15^th, 2019 at 4:07pm

The co2 values are irrelevant to the point that historically it has taken a minimum of one thousand years for average temp's to increase by one degree(usually more like ten thousand years). We have observed a one degree increase over the last century. hence ten times faster than any time in history, hence unprecedented.

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Reply #14 - May 15^th, 2019 at 5:05pm

Pho Huc wrote on May 15^th, 2019 at 4:07pm:

The co2 values are irrelevant to the point that historically it has taken a minimum of one thousand years for average temp's to increase by one degree(usually more like ten thousand years). We have observed a one degree increase over the last century. hence ten times faster than any time in history, hence unprecedented.

And having given all your failed links that you said showed such warming. just more verbiage. Grin

History is now only 1000 years? Who knew?

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