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Reply #15 - Apr 24th, 2019 at 2:10pm
 
lee wrote on Apr 24th, 2019 at 12:13pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 24th, 2019 at 10:06am:
And you are such an expert on copying and pasting from bullshit right wing websites run by Luddites


And yet you don't have an EV. According to you that makes YOU a Luddite. Wink


no it doesn't idiot. look at the definition of Luddite or better still stand in front of a mirror Cheesy LOL
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Reply #16 - Apr 24th, 2019 at 5:11pm
 
The silly fool Tweedledumb is neurotically projecting herself again as a brainless drongo.

Typical Greeny bungs on a HATE session as soon as someone shows her up as a dumb drongo.

Tweedledumb why don't you display your sock collection you keep in your room at the mental hospital these days ?


A major problem is occurring around the world as these all electric heaps are creating massive pollution by overloading the coal power stations.

The Tesla exhaust is at the coal power station.

Coal station exhaust is worse than the diesel truck exhaust and the all electric heaps are really pumping the coal power station exhausts something fierce.

But the salvation is just around the corner which will make the all electric piles of junk obsolete - HYDROGEN!!!!

Wind and solar is negligible as it is SO SMALL < 10%. There is simply not enough clear treeless land to build enough solar and wind farms as they require a vast area.
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Reply #17 - Apr 24th, 2019 at 5:14pm
 
BH why do you know and understand SO LITTLE about tech stuff when you "claim" to have all those qualifications ?

It is OBVIOUS that tech and engineering stuff is NOT your forte.

If you said you were a lawyer or a polly I would believe you as avoiding the question is normal there.
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Reply #18 - Apr 25th, 2019 at 7:23am
 
I think the big question here is if you live in a big city...
Would you rather be in a city with a Million Electric Vehicles
Or would you be Happy with a Million Cars around you Burning Fossil Fuels and Breathing the Exhaust.
I know which one id rather be in, especially on a hot still day Smiley
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Reply #19 - Apr 25th, 2019 at 7:16pm
 
Just like the all electric heaps are causing the emission of massive amounts of pollution by overloading the coal power stations the intellectually handicapped Tweedledee is causing the emission of massive amounts of childish uninformed bulldust by overloading her weakened by Global Warming feeble mind.

But what she craves for - a nice unsafe Tesla crash.

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Unsafe Tesla S breathes its last pollution.



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Reply #20 - Apr 25th, 2019 at 8:05pm
 
It is now well established that all electric cars are filthy emitters of massive pollution as a result of overloading the coal power stations.

What repulsive smelly piles of junk!!

Hydrogen will render these filthy pollution spewing abortions obsolete overnite.

Watch the miniscule all electric sales plunge when the subsidies are removed and road tax applied.





DRIVING A TESLA RESULTS IN MORE CO2 THAN A MERCEDES DIESEL CAR, STUDY FINDS
Michael Bastasch | Energy Editor 9:08 AM 04/24/2019

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Teslas run on filthy pollution emitting coal!!!!

A Tesla Model 3 is touted as a zero-emissions car by government regulators, but it actually results in more carbon dioxide than a comparable diesel-powered car, according to a recent study.

When the CO2 emissions from battery production is included, electric cars, like Teslas, are “in the best case, slightly higher than those of a diesel engine, and are otherwise much higher,” reads a release from the German think tank IFO.

“It’s better read as a warning that new technologies aren’t a climate-change panacea. Recall the false promises about corn and cellulosic ethanol,” The Wall Street Journal editorial board wrote of the study. (RELATED: 2020 Democrats Back Plan That’s Already Raising Electricity Prices)

Driving a Tesla Model 3 in Germany, for example, is responsible for 156 to 181 grams of CO2 per kilometer, compared to just 141 grams per kilometer for a diesel-powered Mercedes C220d — that includes emissions from producing diesel fuel.

IFO looked at electric car production in Germany, which is heavily reliant on coal power. Electric car emissions in other countries depend on their energy mix, but Germany is the world’s third-largest electric car maker.


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A Tesla Model 3 car is displayed at the Canadian International AutoShow in Toronto, Ontario, Canada, February 15, 2019. REUTERS/Chris Helgren.

China and the U.S. are the first- and second-largest electric car producers, respectively. China gets 65 percent of its electricity from coal power and the U.S. relies on coal for 27 percent of its electric power.

China is also the top battery-producing country, using coal power to produce batteries for electric vehicles that are then subsidized for being “zero” emissions.

California, for example, requires automakers to cut greenhouse gas emissions in cars by producing lower emissions vehicles or buying credits from companies, like Tesla, that make electric vehicles. At the federal level, the U.S. gives tax breaks of up to $7,500 per electric vehicle.

Federal subsidies for Teslas are set to be phased out since the company, founded by Elon Musk, hit the 200,000-vehicle production cap. However, Congress is debating whether or not to extend electric car subsidies.


It’s not just battery production, but charging vehicles that emit lots of CO2. Germany gets 35 percent of its electricity from coal-fired power plants, so charging a Tesla in, say, Bavaria results in 83 grams of CO2 per kilometer driven.

“Over the long term, hydrogen-methane technology offers a further advantage: it allows surplus wind and solar power generated during peaks to be stored, and these surpluses will see a sharp increase as the share of this renewable energy grows,” study co-author Christoph Buchal, professor of physics at the University of Cologne, said in a statement.

IFO isn’t the first research group to conclude electric cars might not reduce carbon dioxide emissions as promised.

A study released in 2018 also found driving electric cars might come with higher emissions than diesel vehicles, largely because of lithium-ion battery production.

Likewise, a Manhattan Institute study from 2018 also found putting more electric cars on the road would likely increase emissions compared to internal combustion engine vehicles.


https://dailycaller.com/2019/04/24/tesla-carbon-dioxide-mercedes/
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Reply #21 - Apr 25th, 2019 at 8:56pm
 
juliar wrote on Apr 24th, 2019 at 5:11pm:
The silly fool Tweedledumb is neurotically projecting herself again as a brainless drongo.

Typical Greeny bungs on a HATE session as soon as someone shows her up as a dumb drongo.

Tweedledumb why don't you display your sock collection you keep in your room at the mental hospital these days ?


A major problem is occurring around the world as these all electric heaps are creating massive pollution by overloading the coal power stations.

The Tesla exhaust is at the coal power station.

Coal station exhaust is worse than the diesel truck exhaust and the all electric heaps are really pumping the coal power station exhausts something fierce.

But the salvation is just around the corner which will make the all electric piles of junk obsolete - HYDROGEN!!!!

Wind and solar is negligible as it is SO SMALL < 10%. There is simply not enough clear treeless land to build enough solar and wind farms as they require a vast area.


Why don't you compare the total well to wheels efficiency socko that's if you even understand the concept Wink

How much pollution created by extracting the crude, refining it, transporting it to the nearest port and then transporting it across the ocean using the moist inefficient and polluting deisel tankers, unloading it at port and then refining it again and then distributing it via polluting deisel trucks to all of the fool bowsers ??

Even using coal fired power EV's are still twice as efficient as fossil fool clunkers and when using renewables there is just no contest socko Wink

See if you can refute that dickhead !
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Reply #22 - Apr 25th, 2019 at 11:01pm
 
The mental patient Tweedledumb is STILL refusing to show off her sock collection she keeps in her room at the mental hospital.

Tweedledumb don't be a spoil sport - I liked seeing you display your favorite socks.

Silly old Tweedledumb is just so stupid she cannot understand there are many other much larger vehicles other than the little toy gimmicky electric ones that are quite unsuitable for battery power and these will ultimately be powered by HYDROGEN which is vastly better than the dirty filthy coal the all electrics use spewing out great clouds of pollution from their exhausts at the coal power stations.
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Reply #23 - Apr 25th, 2019 at 11:29pm
 
juliar wrote on Apr 25th, 2019 at 11:01pm:
The mental patient Tweedledumb is STILL refusing to show off her sock collection she keeps in her room at the mental hospital.

Tweedledumb don't be a spoil sport - I liked seeing you display your favorite socks.

Silly old Tweedledumb is just so stupid she cannot understand there are many other much larger vehicles other than the little toy gimmicky electric ones that are quite unsuitable for battery power and these will ultimately be powered by HYDROGEN which is vastly better than the dirty filthy coal the all electrics use spewing out great clouds of pollution from their exhausts at the coal power stations.


What is the well to wheels efficiency of a fossil fool car vs electric car vs hydrogen car ? Why don't you answer a seemingly obvious question you dunderhead Sad HINT there is virtually no losses in the transmission of energy from the coal fired power station to the EV charging point which is something that neither hydrogen or fossil fool cars can ever compete with Wink
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Reply #24 - Apr 26th, 2019 at 1:48am
 
The mental patient Tweedledumb is STILL refusing to show off her sock collection she keeps in her room at the mental hospital.

Tweedledumb don't be a spoil sport - I liked seeing you display your favorite socks.

Now the silly fool is parroting Tesla Fan Girl rubbish to make herself look even sillier. For the unsafe dangerous Tesla heaps it is the mine to some bulldust because most Teslas are running on COAL.


Not surprising Tesla with its phony dangerous cars running on coal and absolutely SPEWING POLLUTION from the Coal Power Station exhaust now looks like it WILL NEVER EARN A PROFIT!!!!!!


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Is this how Tesla will end up ? 



Tesla’s Earnings Are Expected to Be Ugly
Esha Dey BloombergApril 25, 2019

(Bloomberg) -- The time has finally come for the market to find out just how ugly Tesla Inc.’s first quarter was.

Expectations for the period have been lowered sharply in recent weeks, especially after disappointing delivery numbers were announced earlier this month. That continued the lousy sentiment precipitated earlier in the year by Tesla cutting jobs and vehicle prices and warning of a “difficult” road ahead. What’s followed has been mounting concern that demand has topped out.

“First-quarter results have already been telegraphed as weak, and we expect investor focus to remain on cash and short-term deliveries,” Roth Capital Partners analyst Craig Irwin wrote in a note to clients on Tuesday. “We think guide needs to point to 85,000-plus second-quarter deliveries for investors to take a neutral view on guidance. If cash is below $2.5 billion, we think investors should be more anxious about a near-term capital raise.”

The question of whether Tesla needs to raise more money has been hanging over the company for a while now, with analysts maintaining that the carmaker needs to bolster its balance sheet. “Investors have increasingly asked about the need for an equity raise; we continue to think Tesla should return to capital markets to strengthen the balance sheet, despite management’s stated desire to avoid issuing new equity,” Baird analyst Ben Kallo wrote in a note.

Chief Executive Officer Elon Musk has said previously that he didn’t want or need to return to capital markets, though his tune seemed to change during Monday’s autonomous technology-related event. He hinted Tesla probably will need to raise money as it scales its fleet of vehicles he says will be capable of self-driving. Musk also said the company will introduce a robotaxi service of cars that won’t need humans at the wheel in 2020, a pronouncement that drew widespread doubts from Wall Street.

“Ultimately we think the event was a way for the company to focus investors away from the underlying demand and margin pressures the company is currently facing as they bring the Model 3 to mass market and as there has been waning Model S/X demand,” Goldman Sachs analyst David Tamberrino wrote.

With the “autonomous smokescreen” now cleared out of the way, clues about demand -- including a potential forecast for second-quarter deliveries -- and margin trends will be the two biggest items to watch out for when Tesla reports results after the market close on Wednesday.

Tesla shares dropped as much as 2.2 percent ahead of the numbers. The stock has 27 percent of the free float held short, according to financial analytics firm S3 Partners.


What Bloomberg Intelligence Says

“Tesla’s most important measure will be of sustainable demand levels, after the company released a surge of pent-up orders in third quarter and fourth quarter before the federal tax credit halved by $3,750 on Jan. 1.


Expectations for Tesla’s first-quarter earnings swung from a $217 million pretax profit at the close of 2018 to a $232 million loss after the company disclosed an 11 percent sequential production drop from fourth quarter, including a 40 percent decline in high-margin Model S and X builds.”

--Kevin Tynan, autos analystClick here to view the research

Just the numbers

1Q adjusted loss per share estimate $1.30 (range loss/share 64c to loss $2.60)1Q revenue estimate $4.84b ($4.40b-$5.12b) 1Q adj. automotive gross margin estimate +17.8% 1Q capital expenditure estimate $508.2m ($291m-$625m) 2Q adj. automotive gross margin estimate +19.5% 2Q capital expenditure estimate $551.4m ($250m-$650m)

Data

Tesla 13 buys, 8 holds, 15 sells; avg PT $303: Bloomberg data Implied 1-day share move following earnings: 9.2% Shares fell after 7 of prior 12 earningsAdjusted EPS beat estimates in 7 of past 12 quarters

Timing

Earnings April 24 after market close Call 5:30pm; conference call website

(Adds share move, adds short interest detail in paragraph seven.)

--With assistance from Dana Hull.

To contact the reporter on this story: Esha Dey in New York at edey@bloomberg.net

To contact the editors responsible for this story: Brad Olesen at bolesen3@bloomberg.net, Scott Schnipper

For more articles like this, please visit us at bloomberg.com

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Reply #25 - Apr 26th, 2019 at 5:31am
 
juliar wrote on Apr 25th, 2019 at 8:05pm:
It is now well established that all electric cars are filthy emitters of massive pollution as a result of overloading the coal power stations.

What repulsive smelly piles of junk!!

Hydrogen will render these filthy pollution spewing abortions obsolete overnite.

Watch the miniscule all electric sales plunge when the subsidies are removed and road tax applied.





DRIVING A TESLA RESULTS IN MORE CO2 THAN A MERCEDES DIESEL CAR, STUDY FINDS
Michael Bastasch | Energy Editor 9:08 AM 04/24/2019

https://i.postimg.cc/FFkz0S4S/tesla-Capture.png
Teslas run on filthy pollution emitting coal!!!!

A Tesla Model 3 is touted as a zero-emissions car by government regulators, but it actually results in more carbon dioxide than a comparable diesel-powered car, according to a recent study.

When the CO2 emissions from battery production is included, electric cars, like Teslas, are “in the best case, slightly higher than those of a diesel engine, and are otherwise much higher,” reads a release from the German think tank IFO.

“It’s better read as a warning that new technologies aren’t a climate-change panacea. Recall the false promises about corn and cellulosic ethanol,” The Wall Street Journal editorial board wrote of the study. (RELATED: 2020 Democrats Back Plan That’s Already Raising Electricity Prices)

Driving a Tesla Model 3 in Germany, for example, is responsible for 156 to 181 grams of CO2 per kilometer, compared to just 141 grams per kilometer for a diesel-powered Mercedes C220d — that includes emissions from producing diesel fuel.

IFO looked at electric car production in Germany, which is heavily reliant on coal power. Electric car emissions in other countries depend on their energy mix, but Germany is the world’s third-largest electric car maker.


https://i.postimg.cc/BZmpPdJb/tesla-Capture.png
A Tesla Model 3 car is displayed at the Canadian International AutoShow in Toronto, Ontario, Canada, February 15, 2019. REUTERS/Chris Helgren.

China and the U.S. are the first- and second-largest electric car producers, respectively. China gets 65 percent of its electricity from coal power and the U.S. relies on coal for 27 percent of its electric power.

China is also the top battery-producing country, using coal power to produce batteries for electric vehicles that are then subsidized for being “zero” emissions.

California, for example, requires automakers to cut greenhouse gas emissions in cars by producing lower emissions vehicles or buying credits from companies, like Tesla, that make electric vehicles. At the federal level, the U.S. gives tax breaks of up to $7,500 per electric vehicle.

Federal subsidies for Teslas are set to be phased out since the company, founded by Elon Musk, hit the 200,000-vehicle production cap. However, Congress is debating whether or not to extend electric car subsidies.


It’s not just battery production, but charging vehicles that emit lots of CO2. Germany gets 35 percent of its electricity from coal-fired power plants, so charging a Tesla in, say, Bavaria results in 83 grams of CO2 per kilometer driven.

“Over the long term, hydrogen-methane technology offers a further advantage: it allows surplus wind and solar power generated during peaks to be stored, and these surpluses will see a sharp increase as the share of this renewable energy grows,” study co-author Christoph Buchal, professor of physics at the University of Cologne, said in a statement.

IFO isn’t the first research group to conclude electric cars might not reduce carbon dioxide emissions as promised.

A study released in 2018 also found driving electric cars might come with higher emissions than diesel vehicles, largely because of lithium-ion battery production.

Likewise, a Manhattan Institute study from 2018 also found putting more electric cars on the road would likely increase emissions compared to internal combustion engine vehicles.


https://dailycaller.com/2019/04/24/tesla-carbon-dioxide-mercedes/

so now jules believes a global warming and co2 being a factor, now he supports Rome  Cheesy Grin Grin
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Reply #26 - Apr 26th, 2019 at 9:32am
 
Here we go again. socko can't answer the obvious question so starts posting car accidents again Cheesy LOL

What is the well to wheels efficiency socko ?
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Reply #27 - Apr 26th, 2019 at 11:03am
 
I only have one question.....!!!

What will happen to all those batteries....???

Is it feasible to re-cycled at a profit.........???

Cause that will be the bottom line.
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Reply #28 - Apr 26th, 2019 at 11:21am
 
Ajax wrote on Apr 26th, 2019 at 11:03am:
I only have one question.....!!!

What will happen to all those batteries....???

Is it feasible to re-cycled at a profit.........???

Cause that will be the bottom line.

[url]https://insideevs.com/news/343582/fortum-announces-over-80-electric-car-battery-
recycling-rate/
[/url]"A new solution by Nordic clean energy company Fortum makes over 80% of the electric vehicle (EV) battery recyclable, returns the scarce metals back into circulation and resolves the sustainability gap by reducing the need to mine cobalt, nickel, and other scarce metals."

"Fortum achieves the recycling rate of over 80% with a low-CO2 hydrometallurgical recycling process. The current recycling rate for batteries is approximately 50%. The batteries are first made safe for mechanical treatment, with plastics, aluminium and copper separated and directed to their own recycling processes.
Also the batteries will last at least 1500 full charges and realistically about 2000 full charges. with a EV with 400 km's of range that is 600,000km;s to 800,000 km's, when the car falls apart at about 200,000-300,000 km's im sure there will be a lot of these batteries put in old car "conversions"
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Reply #29 - Apr 26th, 2019 at 1:32pm
 
Why is it that dangerous unsafe all electric heaps spew more pollution from the coal power stations than normal practical vehicles and that Greeny Tesla Fan Girls spew more bulldust than normal people who are not intellectually handicapped ?

The simple FACT that the dangerous unsafe all electric cars are spewing dangerous amounts of pollution from the coal power station exhausts effectively signs their death warrant.

The ultimate new HYDROGEN energy that will make the dangerous unsafe pollution spewing all electric heaps obsolete overnite is just around the corner and is looking better as each day passes.

And HYDROGEN will replace diesel in large vehicles which are too large for any battery power.

And will TESLA eventually crash into a brick wall like this unsafe Tesla 3 did ?

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