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Re: carbon taxes are the best
Reply #105 - Jun 2nd, 2019 at 2:18pm
 
Mattyfisk wrote on Jun 2nd, 2019 at 1:57pm:
You're happy to promote every form of power, Lee.

Except the free stuff from the sun and wind.


The cost of collection is not free. Why would you need to subsidise something that is free?

The sun and the wind are intermittent. They therefore require backup from some source.

Batteries are not a power source. They are a source of power storage.

The  much touted battery in SA has enough capacity to keep SA running for about 3 minutes from memory. And that depends on time of day as it is based on average consumption.

Therefore the only available power sources are -

Hydro, not widely suitable because of flat terrain, droughts etc. Also the greenies don't like drowning land by damming. They may protest that is not the case but they have never approved one yet.

Nuclear, should never be mentioned in polite conversation. Wink

Fossil Fuel, should also never be mentioned in polite conversation.

But perhaps you have an alternative view you would like to share.

Had a name change Karnal? Was there a reason?

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Reply #106 - Jun 5th, 2019 at 12:51pm
 
lee wrote on Jun 2nd, 2019 at 1:11pm:
So to what purpose are Carbon Taxes put?

Building Renewables because they don't want nuclear.

"Australia's National Electricity Market and power generators are struggling to come up with a coherent plan "to keep the lights on" due to policy and pricing limitations, according to a major independent study of the sector.

Key points:
New capacity is being driven by construction and deal making rather than what is needed
Black coal has been replacing brown coal while solar and wind is pushing out gas and hydro
Price mechanisms have encouraged 'bare minimum' rather than reliable generators
The report compiled by industry analysts Global-Roam and Greenview Strategic Consulting found the "obsessive focus on fuel types" and an "us and them schism" between fossil fuels and renewable energy posed significant risks to a successful transition to a modern energy market.

The more than 600-page Generator Report Card is a deep dive into the 20 years of the NEM and every generator supplying the market."

"Despite wind and solar dominating the new capacity coming online in the past five years, the aggregate level of coal-fired generation in recent years has remained relatively steady.

Black coal has largely replaced closed brown coal plants, while wind and solar have displaced hydro and gas generation."

"However, the report has identified the new battleground as “anytime/anywhere energy”, or wind and solar, versus “keeping the lights on services”, or traditional synchronised generation from the big fossil fuel utilities.

The declining cost of wind and solar farms has made them the default choices for additional capacity, however the new generation is seldom integrated with “keeping the lights on services”."

"“There is a glimmer of hope there with people putting in batteries, but it still just a ‘toe-in-the-water’ exercise,” Global-Roam’s Paul McArdle said.

“It make sense wind and solar farms should invest in some form of battery storage, but there is still a fair bit of commercial risk without greater incentives [to build them],” he said."

"Changes in ‘bid patterns’ for power are seeing an increasing volatility and a concentration of either extremely low (below $0/MWh) or high (above $300/MWh) prices.

Occasionally “cheap” power may sound good for consumers, but they are bids from price-takers who find it either cheaper to keep plants going, or are happy enough to take whatever price is going — but average prices across the curve keep creeping up."

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-05-31/nem-20-year-report-card-points-to-big-cha...

And even the IPCC realises that nuclear has to be part of the solution. -

"Multiple options exist to reduce energy supply sector GHG emissions (robust evidence, high agreement). These include energy efficiency improvements and fugitive emission reductions in fuel extraction as well as in energy conversion, transmission, and distribution systems; fossil fuel switching; and low-GHG energy supply technologies such as renewable energy (RE), nuclear power, and carbon dioxide capture and storage (CCS). [7.5, 7.8.1, 7.11]"

"Nuclear energy is a mature low-GHG emission source of baseload power, but its share of global electricity generation has been declining (since 1993). Nuclear energy could make an increasing contribution to low-carbon energy supply, but a variety of barriers and risks exist (robust evidence, high agreement). Its specific emissions are below 100  gCO2eq per kWh on a lifecycle basis and with more than 400 operational nuclear reactors worldwide, nuclear electricity represented 11% of the world’s electricity generation in 2012, down from a high of 17% in 1993. Pricing the externalities of GHG emissions (carbon pricing) could improve the competitiveness of nuclear power plants. [7.2, 7.5.4, 7.8.1, 7.12]"

https://www.ipcc.ch/site/assets/uploads/2018/02/ipcc_wg3_ar5_chapter7.pdf

So just how are the carbon (sic) taxes supposed to work if not for generating low GHG emissions?


In other words, the coalition's inaction on carbon pricing is creating market inefficiency, pushing up power prices, and creating uncertainty in the industry.
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Reply #107 - Jun 5th, 2019 at 1:37pm
 
freediver wrote on Jun 5th, 2019 at 12:51pm:
In other words, the coalition's inaction on carbon pricing is creating market inefficiency, pushing up power prices, and creating uncertainty in the industry.


No petal. it is the demonising of fossil fuels doing that.

Cause AND effect. Wink

You have heard of the economist Nordhaus right? He gave the world the 2C Global Warming schtck.

"On the day of the Nobel announcement, the United Nations’ Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (UN IPCC) released a special report1 advising the governments of the world on various steps necessary to limit cumulative global warming to 1.5 degrees Celsius. The major media coverage treated the two events as complementary.2 In fact, they are incompatible. Although Nordhaus favors a carbon tax to slow climate change, his own model shows that the UN’s target would make humanity poorer than doing nothing at all about climate change.

Indeed, we can use Nordhaus’s and other standard models to show that the now-championed 1.5°C target is ludicrously expensive, far more costly than the public has been led to believe. This is presumably why the new IPCC special report does not even attempt to justify its policy goals in a cost/benefit framework. Rather, it takes the 1.5°C target as a politically “given” constraint and then discusses the pros and cons of various mechanisms to achieve it."

https://www.econlib.org/library/Columns/y2018/MurphyNordhaus.html

Or perhaps you prefer something from the Garudian?

"Policymakers ought not wait for economic theory to catch up with the environmental crisis"

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/may/12/the-guardian-view-on-a-gre...

So now economists are not flavour of the month. getting more bizarre.

The garudian goes on to say we have "little more than a decade to save ourselves and the other creatures with whom we share the planet".

But apparently that has blown out by about 30 years.

https://docs.wixstatic.com/ugd/148cb0_b2c0c79dc4344b279bcf2365336ff23b.pdf

Also reported in the New York Post.

https://nypost.com/2019/06/03/climate-change-could-end-human-civilization-by-205...

happy travels or should tat be happy travails? Wink
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Reply #108 - Jun 8th, 2019 at 4:27pm
 
So reality is to blame, not the coalition's mishandling of that reality?
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Reply #109 - Jun 8th, 2019 at 4:33pm
 
freediver wrote on Jun 8th, 2019 at 4:27pm:
So reality is to blame, not the coalition's mishandling of that reality?


To blame for what petal?
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Reply #110 - Jun 11th, 2019 at 8:48am
 
lee wrote on Jun 8th, 2019 at 4:33pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 8th, 2019 at 4:27pm:
So reality is to blame, not the coalition's mishandling of that reality?


To blame for what petal?


High electricity prices.
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