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Mar 26th, 2019 at 8:34am
 
Putting a price on greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions is the cheapest, most economically efficient way to reduce emissions. Here is a statement of consensus from economists saying the same thing:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/green-tax-shift/economics-hopeful-science.html

Carbon taxes overcome the two primary reasons for opposition to action on climate change:

1) The huge cost. Reducing GHG emissions is very cheap. What makes it expensive is government micromanagement (eg, MRETs, subsidies etc) - which makes about as much sense as asking the government to make and sell computers to us. There are simple ways to reduce emissions that people understand, the government can implement, and which have popular support. But they are the most expensive options. The cheap ways to reduce emissions are technically complex and beyond the reach of direct government intervention.

2) International cooperation. The currently preferred global mechanism is an emissions permit trading scheme. However this requires the creation of what is essentially a global currency, and it requires trust that all foreign governments will manage it correctly. That is a huge, and largely undeserved leap of faith. It also requires massive direct transfers of money between countries, which makes negotiations impossible. The alternative is a minimum agreed tax on GHG emissions. This is far simpler. Each country keeps it's own revenue, raised internally, and gets to "spend" it internally, for example by reducing other taxes.

All it takes is for people to get over their emotional over-reaction to the T word.

More info:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/green-tax-shift/green-tax-shift.html

I will be giving my first preference votes in both houses in the upcoming federal election to whichever party has the balls to publicly support carbon taxes. Malcolm Turnbull, Julia Gillard and Bob Brown have all publicly supported carbon taxes in the past. John Howard has supported and emissions trading scheme, which is the next best option from an economic perspective.
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Reply #1 - Mar 26th, 2019 at 8:53am
 
I could support a carbon tax, But I would need to know exactly where the tax dollars were going, My preference would be that they go into the development of green tech,,
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Reply #2 - Mar 26th, 2019 at 10:39am
 
I'm still waiting for my $550 refund on my power bill when Abort abolished the carbon tax Cheesy LOL
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Reply #3 - Mar 26th, 2019 at 5:41pm
 
"European Union leaders on Friday pushed back a decision on the blocís long-term efforts to fight climate change, with some countries opposing a pledge to end most emissions of greenhouse gases by 2050."

https://www.apnews.com/7923b9b30574401ca09f6e79bff5cac8
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Reply #4 - Mar 26th, 2019 at 6:39pm
 
BigP wrote on Mar 26th, 2019 at 8:53am:
I could support a carbon tax, But I would need to know exactly where the tax dollars were going, My preference would be that they go into the development of green tech,,


Why not use them to reduce other taxes? Their intended environmental benefit does not come from the revenue raised, but from the increase in price they cause. Using them to fund green tech would just offset a very economically efficient environmental policy with an expensive, wasteful one. You would give credence to claims from opponents that reducing GHG emissions harms the economy too much, and equate it with another government tax grab.
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Reply #5 - Mar 26th, 2019 at 6:51pm
 
Tax

It's an ancient Roman word

What it means is

We gonna taka you munny and waste it on stupidity and personal enjoyment, while tricking you poor fools into thinking it's being wisely spent.

See, quite simple eh?
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Reply #6 - Mar 26th, 2019 at 6:59pm
 
Schools. Roads. Hospitals. Police.
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Reply #7 - Mar 26th, 2019 at 7:14pm
 
freediver wrote on Mar 26th, 2019 at 6:59pm:
Schools. Roads. Hospitals. Police.



Schools being run down and teachers teaching stupid worthless stuff
Pumping out illiterate kids who can't even add up

Roads, is that what they are
I thought they were goat tracks
I need a 4x4 just to get around in my area.

Hospitals
Oh yeah, where you go to catch a communicable desease and DIE

Finally the police
Yeah, trained by the best Keystone cop movies
Working with criminals to make Australia a more criminal place.

And we pay the highest taxes in the world for this shite.
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Reply #8 - Mar 26th, 2019 at 7:16pm
 
Hold on, I forgot my violin.
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Reply #9 - Mar 26th, 2019 at 7:22pm
 
freediver wrote on Mar 26th, 2019 at 7:16pm:
Hold on, I forgot my violin.



Ask the grubberment

They probably stole it as well.

May they all rot in hell.
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Reply #10 - Mar 26th, 2019 at 9:33pm
 
freediver wrote on Mar 26th, 2019 at 8:34am:
Putting a price on greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions is the cheapest, most economically efficient way to reduce emissions. Here is a statement of consensus from economists saying the same thing:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/green-tax-shift/economics-hopeful-science.html

Carbon taxes overcome the two primary reasons for opposition to action on climate change:

1) The huge cost. Reducing GHG emissions is very cheap. What makes it expensive is government micromanagement (eg, MRETs, subsidies etc) - which makes about as much sense as asking the government to make and sell computers to us. There are simple ways to reduce emissions that people understand, the government can implement, and which have popular support. But they are the most expensive options. The cheap ways to reduce emissions are technically complex and beyond the reach of direct government intervention.

2) International cooperation. The currently preferred global mechanism is an emissions permit trading scheme. However this requires the creation of what is essentially a global currency, and it requires trust that all foreign governments will manage it correctly. That is a huge, and largely undeserved leap of faith. It also requires massive direct transfers of money between countries, which makes negotiations impossible. The alternative is a minimum agreed tax on GHG emissions. This is far simpler. Each country keeps it's own revenue, raised internally, and gets to "spend" it internally, for example by reducing other taxes.

All it takes is for people to get over their emotional over-reaction to the T word.

More info:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/green-tax-shift/green-tax-shift.html

I will be giving my first preference votes in both houses in the upcoming federal election to whichever party has the balls to publicly support carbon taxes. Malcolm Turnbull, Julia Gillard and Bob Brown have all publicly supported carbon taxes in the past. John Howard has supported and emissions trading scheme, which is the next best option from an economic perspective.


What happened, FD?

Did G say we should ban Islam? Did you lose a bet? Is the "culture" war over?

Please explain.
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Reply #12 - May 2nd, 2019 at 11:48am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on May 2nd, 2019 at 10:17am:
So I read the first three pages, and I assume the rest of the thread is the same: what started with a great topic - the benefits of pricing carbon, gets completely derailed by climate denialists rubbishing the idea of climate change itself.



So who exactly denied that climate changes? Wink
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Reply #14 - May 2nd, 2019 at 10:17am
 
So I read the first three pages, and I assume the rest of the thread is the same: what started with a great topic - the benefits of pricing carbon, gets completely derailed by climate denialists rubbishing the idea of climate change itself.

Pity.

For one thing FD, I'd be interested in why you think a carbon 'tax' (by which I assume you mean a fixed price), is better than a floating price in a market-based emissions trading scheme.

I would have thought most industries would opt for the latter?
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