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Reply #45 - Mar 25th, 2019 at 10:18pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Mar 25th, 2019 at 10:06pm:
Setanta wrote on Mar 25th, 2019 at 9:59pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Mar 25th, 2019 at 9:47pm:
Setanta wrote on Mar 25th, 2019 at 9:42pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Mar 25th, 2019 at 9:36pm:
When you go to war based on bullshit expect your enemies to retaliate with every means possible....It was well known by the Coalition of the killing that the war on terror would create extremist retaliation....Why is anyone surprised the world has turned to crap since 9/11....This is exactly what the neocons wanted???

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Neoconservatism is a political movement born in the United States during the 1960s among liberal hawks who became disenchanted with the increasingly pacifist foreign policy of the Democratic Party, and the growing New Left and counterculture, in particular the Vietnam protests. Some also began to question their liberal beliefs regarding domestic policies such as the Great Society.

Neoconservatives typically advocate the promotion of democracy and American national interest in international affairs, including peace through strength (by means of military force), and are known for espousing disdain for communism and for political radicalism
.

You reap what you sew!!!

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Isn't that what many are saying about Moslems ATM?

Until we acknowledge all sides of this and address them, this will continue. I've said this did not surprise me, it was bound to happen, it will happen again if we lay blame at one groups feet. It will only make martyrs.



So it is ok to condemn radical Islam but when we start blaming right wing extremism it will only make things worse....Cause and effect mate....We will not stop Islamic extremists until we stop bombing their cities and killing their children....Right wing extremism grows in a bubble and is about perceived threat rather than anything suffered by those who are racist white supremacists....Everyone who holds extremist views needs to be called out and held to account!!!

Huh Huh Huh


Where the hell did you get that from?

You are right, cause and effect, radical Islam was the cause now we have the effect.

It seems you think it's OK for them to come here or anywhere else and kill people because of other reasons elsewhere. That's not going to go down well.

You know it's not just whites don't you. The Chinese have a problem with these Islamic nuts too. Are they white extremists? Those yellow extremists deal with them much more harshly that any "white" country. They don't take shite. Who have they bombed in the ME to have them attack them? Islam is a predatory religion, it tries to force it way where ever it goes. It is the problem. Islam is not the victim.


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Both ideologies suck hairy nuts but one is demonised and one has us bending over backward to excuse it


What a load of bullshit....Nobody is bending over backwards to excuse Islamic extremists but you are excusing right wing extremism by claiming it is being demonised....50 innocent people died because of apologists like you who think the extreme right are being demonised....Stop making excuses for those who kill innocent people no matter what ideology they follow mate!!!

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You do the same for the ideology of the other side. They are both an abomination yet one side gets a pass because it's a religion.
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Re: Tonight's 4 Corners, "the rise of right-wing extre
Reply #46 - Mar 25th, 2019 at 10:18pm
 
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https://stephenblanton.com/growth/?gclid=CjwKCAjw-OHkBRBkEiwAoOZqlxenJQlaunNQRAP...

"High birth rates account for 96 percent of Islam’s growth; forced conversions account for an additional 3 percent. The Muslim birth rate is 3.1 children per female of child-bearing age, compared to 1.7 for non-Muslim females — and Muslim men may keep up to four wives at a time. While Muslim populations are exploding, birth control and abortion in western countries are driving non-Muslim populations into extinction."
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Reply #47 - Mar 25th, 2019 at 10:23pm
 
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"Of the 18,814 deaths caused by terrorists around the world last year, well over half were due to the actions of just four groups: Islamic State, the Taliban, Al-Shabaab and Boko Haram.

According to Global Terrorism Index 2018, compiled by the Institute for Economics & Peace (IEP), these four organisations were responsible for 10,632 deaths in 2017. Their actions contribute to the instability of what are some of the most dangerous countries in the world, including Afghanistan, Iraq, Nigeria, Somalia and Syria. Over the past decade they have accounted for 44% of all terrorist deaths."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/dominicdudley/2018/12/05/deadliest-terrorist-groups...
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Re: Tonight's 4 Corners, "the rise of right-wing extre
Reply #48 - Mar 25th, 2019 at 10:23pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 25th, 2019 at 9:55pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Mar 25th, 2019 at 9:49pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 25th, 2019 at 9:44pm:
cods wrote on Mar 25th, 2019 at 9:26pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 25th, 2019 at 9:04pm:
The 4 corners program wasn't attempting to tone down Islamic extremism. It was merely suggesting that we have been focusing on Islamic extremism for so long, we're overlooking the rise of right wing extremism.





would you class Hitler as extreme right wing?...

he would fit in their beautifully I am thinking.....

there has always been extremists  from all directions   its just we have always thought of it as a stage people will eventually grow out of...until Islam extremists took it all a stage further.....

.this for the most part when the rest of the world was at peace....well as peaceful  as humans can be.that is..

to be honest I think social media has a lot to answer for....and is one of the major reasons it has flourished.......spreading hate and fear  is like spreading a terrible disease 


it is fast moving  with virtually no cure.... Angry


Adolph was a socialist, but a German NATIONAL socialist... not an international socialist like Stalin - hence the ideological opposition to the extreme left.  As usual the nuts and bolts of that kind of centralised government state did not hold the thing together....

Sort of puts Adolph around centre right.... but puts Nazi Germany at extreme right due to mishandling.  Hitler is judged more for the results than the theory....


So the final solution was only a theory that failed in practice....I will leave you too ponder your own bullshit mate!!!

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Why not argue your case instead of deflecting....Your comment was just plain stupid mate....Hitler was a tyrant and a dictator who was the first to bomb civilians en mass and exterminate millions of innocent people....The theory of the Aryan race was to purify the German people and eliminate those considered less human....The theory was flawed from the beginning and the results were calculated not accidental???

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Re: Tonight's 4 Corners, "the rise of right-wing extre
Reply #49 - Mar 25th, 2019 at 10:24pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 25th, 2019 at 10:18pm:
**flings a fox among the chickens**

https://stephenblanton.com/growth/?gclid=CjwKCAjw-OHkBRBkEiwAoOZqlxenJQlaunNQRAP...

"High birth rates account for 96 percent of Islam’s growth; forced conversions account for an additional 3 percent. The Muslim birth rate is 3.1 children per female of child-bearing age, compared to 1.7 for non-Muslim females — and Muslim men may keep up to four wives at a time. While Muslim populations are exploding, birth control and abortion in western countries are driving non-Muslim populations into extinction."


What do you think of stuff like this, Setanta? Nazi eugenic arguments to defend the culling of Muslims?

Free speech, eh?
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Reply #50 - Mar 25th, 2019 at 10:25pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 25th, 2019 at 10:23pm:
**flings the fox's mate among the chickens**

"Of the 18,814 deaths caused by terrorists around the world last year, well over half were due to the actions of just four groups: Islamic State, the Taliban, Al-Shabaab and Boko Haram.

According to Global Terrorism Index 2018, compiled by the Institute for Economics & Peace (IEP), these four organisations were responsible for 10,632 deaths in 2017. Their actions contribute to the instability of what are some of the most dangerous countries in the world, including Afghanistan, Iraq, Nigeria, Somalia and Syria. Over the past decade they have accounted for 44% of all terrorist deaths."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/dominicdudley/2018/12/05/deadliest-terrorist-groups...


These countries are also at war....Do you think that might have something to do with it???

Huh Huh Huh
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Reply #51 - Mar 25th, 2019 at 10:26pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 25th, 2019 at 10:23pm:
**flings the fox's mate among the chickens**

"Of the 18,814 deaths caused by terrorists around the world last year, well over half were due to the actions of just four groups: Islamic State, the Taliban, Al-Shabaab and Boko Haram.

According to Global Terrorism Index 2018, compiled by the Institute for Economics & Peace (IEP), these four organisations were responsible for 10,632 deaths in 2017. Their actions contribute to the instability of what are some of the most dangerous countries in the world, including Afghanistan, Iraq, Nigeria, Somalia and Syria. Over the past decade they have accounted for 44% of all terrorist deaths."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/dominicdudley/2018/12/05/deadliest-terrorist-groups...


Gregg will be here to give you stats that show yours meaningless and those deaths to not count.
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Re: Tonight's 4 Corners, "the rise of right-wing extre
Reply #52 - Mar 25th, 2019 at 10:27pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Mar 25th, 2019 at 10:23pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 25th, 2019 at 9:55pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Mar 25th, 2019 at 9:49pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 25th, 2019 at 9:44pm:
cods wrote on Mar 25th, 2019 at 9:26pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 25th, 2019 at 9:04pm:
The 4 corners program wasn't attempting to tone down Islamic extremism. It was merely suggesting that we have been focusing on Islamic extremism for so long, we're overlooking the rise of right wing extremism.





would you class Hitler as extreme right wing?...

he would fit in their beautifully I am thinking.....

there has always been extremists  from all directions   its just we have always thought of it as a stage people will eventually grow out of...until Islam extremists took it all a stage further.....

.this for the most part when the rest of the world was at peace....well as peaceful  as humans can be.that is..

to be honest I think social media has a lot to answer for....and is one of the major reasons it has flourished.......spreading hate and fear  is like spreading a terrible disease 


it is fast moving  with virtually no cure.... Angry


Adolph was a socialist, but a German NATIONAL socialist... not an international socialist like Stalin - hence the ideological opposition to the extreme left.  As usual the nuts and bolts of that kind of centralised government state did not hold the thing together....

Sort of puts Adolph around centre right.... but puts Nazi Germany at extreme right due to mishandling.  Hitler is judged more for the results than the theory....


So the final solution was only a theory that failed in practice....I will leave you too ponder your own bullshit mate!!!

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


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Why not argue your case instead of deflecting....Your comment was just plain stupid mate....Hitler was a tyrant and a dictator who was the first to bomb civilians en mass and exterminate millions of innocent people....The theory of the Aryan race was to purify the German people and eliminate those considered less human....The theory was flawed from the beginning and the results were calculated not accidental???

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_race


Not anymore, Phil, it's all coming out now.

Hitler was the saviour of the White race.

Just misunderstood, so unfair.
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Re: Tonight's 4 Corners, "the rise of right-wing extre
Reply #53 - Mar 25th, 2019 at 10:27pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Mar 25th, 2019 at 10:25pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 25th, 2019 at 10:23pm:
**flings the fox's mate among the chickens**

"Of the 18,814 deaths caused by terrorists around the world last year, well over half were due to the actions of just four groups: Islamic State, the Taliban, Al-Shabaab and Boko Haram.

According to Global Terrorism Index 2018, compiled by the Institute for Economics & Peace (IEP), these four organisations were responsible for 10,632 deaths in 2017. Their actions contribute to the instability of what are some of the most dangerous countries in the world, including Afghanistan, Iraq, Nigeria, Somalia and Syria. Over the past decade they have accounted for 44% of all terrorist deaths."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/dominicdudley/2018/12/05/deadliest-terrorist-groups...


These countries are also at war....Do you think that might have something to do with it???

Huh Huh Huh


Who are they at war with? Islam separatists/insurgents?
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Re: Tonight's 4 Corners, "the rise of right-wing extre
Reply #54 - Mar 25th, 2019 at 10:28pm
 
Setanta wrote on Mar 25th, 2019 at 10:18pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Mar 25th, 2019 at 10:06pm:
Setanta wrote on Mar 25th, 2019 at 9:59pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Mar 25th, 2019 at 9:47pm:
Setanta wrote on Mar 25th, 2019 at 9:42pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Mar 25th, 2019 at 9:36pm:
When you go to war based on bullshit expect your enemies to retaliate with every means possible....It was well known by the Coalition of the killing that the war on terror would create extremist retaliation....Why is anyone surprised the world has turned to crap since 9/11....This is exactly what the neocons wanted???

Quote:
Neoconservatism is a political movement born in the United States during the 1960s among liberal hawks who became disenchanted with the increasingly pacifist foreign policy of the Democratic Party, and the growing New Left and counterculture, in particular the Vietnam protests. Some also began to question their liberal beliefs regarding domestic policies such as the Great Society.

Neoconservatives typically advocate the promotion of democracy and American national interest in international affairs, including peace through strength (by means of military force), and are known for espousing disdain for communism and for political radicalism
.

You reap what you sew!!!

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Isn't that what many are saying about Moslems ATM?

Until we acknowledge all sides of this and address them, this will continue. I've said this did not surprise me, it was bound to happen, it will happen again if we lay blame at one groups feet. It will only make martyrs.



So it is ok to condemn radical Islam but when we start blaming right wing extremism it will only make things worse....Cause and effect mate....We will not stop Islamic extremists until we stop bombing their cities and killing their children....Right wing extremism grows in a bubble and is about perceived threat rather than anything suffered by those who are racist white supremacists....Everyone who holds extremist views needs to be called out and held to account!!!

Huh Huh Huh


Where the hell did you get that from?

You are right, cause and effect, radical Islam was the cause now we have the effect.

It seems you think it's OK for them to come here or anywhere else and kill people because of other reasons elsewhere. That's not going to go down well.

You know it's not just whites don't you. The Chinese have a problem with these Islamic nuts too. Are they white extremists? Those yellow extremists deal with them much more harshly that any "white" country. They don't take shite. Who have they bombed in the ME to have them attack them? Islam is a predatory religion, it tries to force it way where ever it goes. It is the problem. Islam is not the victim.


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Both ideologies suck hairy nuts but one is demonised and one has us bending over backward to excuse it


What a load of bullshit....Nobody is bending over backwards to excuse Islamic extremists but you are excusing right wing extremism by claiming it is being demonised....50 innocent people died because of apologists like you who think the extreme right are being demonised....Stop making excuses for those who kill innocent people no matter what ideology they follow mate!!!

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


You do the same for the ideology of the other side. They are both an abomination yet one side gets a pass because it's a religion.


Bullshit....Is that how you try to justify your own apathy toward right wing extremism and hatred of Islam....I have never excused Islamic extremism unlike you who believes there is a difference!!!

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Re: Tonight's 4 Corners, "the rise of right-wing extre
Reply #55 - Mar 25th, 2019 at 10:28pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Mar 25th, 2019 at 10:25pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 25th, 2019 at 10:23pm:
**flings the fox's mate among the chickens**

"Of the 18,814 deaths caused by terrorists around the world last year, well over half were due to the actions of just four groups: Islamic State, the Taliban, Al-Shabaab and Boko Haram.

According to Global Terrorism Index 2018, compiled by the Institute for Economics & Peace (IEP), these four organisations were responsible for 10,632 deaths in 2017. Their actions contribute to the instability of what are some of the most dangerous countries in the world, including Afghanistan, Iraq, Nigeria, Somalia and Syria. Over the past decade they have accounted for 44% of all terrorist deaths."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/dominicdudley/2018/12/05/deadliest-terrorist-groups...


These countries are also at war....Do you think that might have something to do with it???

Huh Huh Huh


Those are the fig-yures, Major Kong... war or not .. WHY are they at war?  Because they killed people... mostly other Muslims.
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Reply #56 - Mar 25th, 2019 at 10:29pm
 
Setanta wrote on Mar 25th, 2019 at 10:27pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Mar 25th, 2019 at 10:25pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 25th, 2019 at 10:23pm:
**flings the fox's mate among the chickens**

"Of the 18,814 deaths caused by terrorists around the world last year, well over half were due to the actions of just four groups: Islamic State, the Taliban, Al-Shabaab and Boko Haram.

According to Global Terrorism Index 2018, compiled by the Institute for Economics & Peace (IEP), these four organisations were responsible for 10,632 deaths in 2017. Their actions contribute to the instability of what are some of the most dangerous countries in the world, including Afghanistan, Iraq, Nigeria, Somalia and Syria. Over the past decade they have accounted for 44% of all terrorist deaths."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/dominicdudley/2018/12/05/deadliest-terrorist-groups...


These countries are also at war....Do you think that might have something to do with it???

Huh Huh Huh


Who are they at war with? Islam separatists/insurgents?


Often unarmed Christians across their borders...
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Re: Tonight's 4 Corners, "the rise of right-wing extre
Reply #57 - Mar 25th, 2019 at 10:30pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Mar 25th, 2019 at 10:28pm:
Setanta wrote on Mar 25th, 2019 at 10:18pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Mar 25th, 2019 at 10:06pm:
Setanta wrote on Mar 25th, 2019 at 9:59pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Mar 25th, 2019 at 9:47pm:
Setanta wrote on Mar 25th, 2019 at 9:42pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Mar 25th, 2019 at 9:36pm:
When you go to war based on bullshit expect your enemies to retaliate with every means possible....It was well known by the Coalition of the killing that the war on terror would create extremist retaliation....Why is anyone surprised the world has turned to crap since 9/11....This is exactly what the neocons wanted???

Quote:
Neoconservatism is a political movement born in the United States during the 1960s among liberal hawks who became disenchanted with the increasingly pacifist foreign policy of the Democratic Party, and the growing New Left and counterculture, in particular the Vietnam protests. Some also began to question their liberal beliefs regarding domestic policies such as the Great Society.

Neoconservatives typically advocate the promotion of democracy and American national interest in international affairs, including peace through strength (by means of military force), and are known for espousing disdain for communism and for political radicalism
.

You reap what you sew!!!

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Isn't that what many are saying about Moslems ATM?

Until we acknowledge all sides of this and address them, this will continue. I've said this did not surprise me, it was bound to happen, it will happen again if we lay blame at one groups feet. It will only make martyrs.



So it is ok to condemn radical Islam but when we start blaming right wing extremism it will only make things worse....Cause and effect mate....We will not stop Islamic extremists until we stop bombing their cities and killing their children....Right wing extremism grows in a bubble and is about perceived threat rather than anything suffered by those who are racist white supremacists....Everyone who holds extremist views needs to be called out and held to account!!!

Huh Huh Huh


Where the hell did you get that from?

You are right, cause and effect, radical Islam was the cause now we have the effect.

It seems you think it's OK for them to come here or anywhere else and kill people because of other reasons elsewhere. That's not going to go down well.

You know it's not just whites don't you. The Chinese have a problem with these Islamic nuts too. Are they white extremists? Those yellow extremists deal with them much more harshly that any "white" country. They don't take shite. Who have they bombed in the ME to have them attack them? Islam is a predatory religion, it tries to force it way where ever it goes. It is the problem. Islam is not the victim.


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Both ideologies suck hairy nuts but one is demonised and one has us bending over backward to excuse it


What a load of bullshit....Nobody is bending over backwards to excuse Islamic extremists but you are excusing right wing extremism by claiming it is being demonised....50 innocent people died because of apologists like you who think the extreme right are being demonised....Stop making excuses for those who kill innocent people no matter what ideology they follow mate!!!

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


You do the same for the ideology of the other side. They are both an abomination yet one side gets a pass because it's a religion.


Bullshit....Is that how you try to justify your own apathy toward right wing extremism and hatred of Islam....I have never excused Islamic extremism unlike you who believes there is a difference!!!

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


I don't think there is a difference. What I have said is one side gets a "get out of gaol free" card because it is a religion.
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Reply #58 - Mar 25th, 2019 at 10:30pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 25th, 2019 at 10:28pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Mar 25th, 2019 at 10:25pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 25th, 2019 at 10:23pm:
**flings the fox's mate among the chickens**

"Of the 18,814 deaths caused by terrorists around the world last year, well over half were due to the actions of just four groups: Islamic State, the Taliban, Al-Shabaab and Boko Haram.

According to Global Terrorism Index 2018, compiled by the Institute for Economics & Peace (IEP), these four organisations were responsible for 10,632 deaths in 2017. Their actions contribute to the instability of what are some of the most dangerous countries in the world, including Afghanistan, Iraq, Nigeria, Somalia and Syria. Over the past decade they have accounted for 44% of all terrorist deaths."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/dominicdudley/2018/12/05/deadliest-terrorist-groups...


These countries are also at war....Do you think that might have something to do with it???

Huh Huh Huh


Those are the fig-yures, Major Kong... war or not .. WHY are they at war?  Because they killed people... mostly other Muslims.


I believe it was the lies about WMD's and the purging of the Sunni regime of Saddam Hussain that created ISIS....Do you have another reason???

Huh Huh Huh
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