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My candidate lost electorally, so lets change the
Mar 25th, 2019 at 9:47am
 

'My candidate lost electorally, so lets change the 200+ year old electoral system.'
- LOSER, SOCIALISTS/LEFTISTS, in the U.S.


Its 'Progressive'.          Tongue

[the electoral system, it may not all be 200+ year old,     but it certainly is a 'tried and tested' stable system]




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David Frum Advocates Electoral College Change, Citing Trump Win


By Frank Camp
@frankdcamp
March 24, 2019

On Thursday, political commentator and author David Frum tweeted the following:

    Any decision-system that produces the result that Donald Trump (!!) loses the vote count but becomes president anyway is obviously defective and in need of change.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/45043/david-frum-frank-camp




LEFTISTS don't recognise that the election of DJ Trump was a symptom, and not a cause, of something 'wrong' with U.S. politics today.

The election of DJ Trump was 'a cry of desperation' by many [imo], a 'push back', by those Americans who recognise, and hate, and oppose,           the decades of LEFTIST/socialist political corruption, in Washington, and U.S. politics generally.

The only thing wrong with the American Republic,
is that today, many 'modern' [and history-illiterate] Americans do not appreciate what a blessing, that the original founding fathers of the American Republic, laid at their feet,
gratis !!!



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2 Timothy 3:1
This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2  For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3  Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4  Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5  Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6  For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7  Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.




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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Re: My candidate lost electorally, so lets change the
Reply #1 - Mar 25th, 2019 at 10:07am
 
But do you think the electoral college is fair Yadda?
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In a time of universal deceit — telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

No evidence whatsoever it can be attributed to George Orwell or Eric Arthur Blair (in fact the same guy)
 
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Re: My candidate lost electorally, so lets change the
Reply #2 - Mar 25th, 2019 at 10:57am
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 25th, 2019 at 10:07am:
But do you think the electoral college is fair Yadda?



Q: Why does the U.S. have an Electoral College?

A: The framers of the Constitution didn’t trust direct democracy.

"[i]James Madison worried about what he called “factions,” which he defined as groups of citizens who have a common interest in some proposal that would either violate the rights of other citizens or would harm the nation as a whole. Madison’s fear – which Alexis de Tocqueville later dubbed “the tyranny of the majority” – was that a faction could grow to encompass more than 50 percent of the population, at which point it could “sacrifice to its ruling passion or interest both the public good and the rights of other citizens.



https://www.factcheck.org/2008/02/the-reason-for-the-electoral-college/

Yes it's fair and it was devised and carefully thought out by smarter men than you Bojack





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Re: My candidate lost electorally, so lets change the
Reply #3 - Mar 25th, 2019 at 11:00am
 
Bias_2012 wrote on Mar 25th, 2019 at 10:57am:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 25th, 2019 at 10:07am:
But do you think the electoral college is fair Yadda?



Q: Why does the U.S. have an Electoral College?

A: The framers of the Constitution didn’t trust direct democracy.

"[i]James Madison worried about what he called “factions,” which he defined as groups of citizens who have a common interest in some proposal that would either violate the rights of other citizens or would harm the nation as a whole. Madison’s fear – which Alexis de Tocqueville later dubbed “the tyranny of the majority” – was that a faction could grow to encompass more than 50 percent of the population, at which point it could “sacrifice to its ruling passion or interest both the public good and the rights of other citizens.



https://www.factcheck.org/2008/02/the-reason-for-the-electoral-college/

Yes it's fair and it was devised and carefully thought out by smarter men than you Bojack







But like any rule its desgined to reflect the times, and not realise the whole system can be gamed.
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But I will wait for the RWers to whine about it in 2020.
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Reply #5 - Mar 25th, 2019 at 11:24am
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 25th, 2019 at 11:00am:
But I will wait for the RWers to whine about it in 2020.


Why display your ignorance time and again? The Electoral College is not for rightwingers ... or leftwingers, it's to prevent "the tyranny of the majority". A majority can be any group infringing on the rights of others, industrial groups for instance, or religious groups, seeking power




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Reply #6 - Mar 25th, 2019 at 11:27am
 
Bias_2012 wrote on Mar 25th, 2019 at 11:24am:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 25th, 2019 at 11:00am:
But I will wait for the RWers to whine about it in 2020.


Why display your ignorance time and again? The Electoral College is not for rightwingers ... or leftwingers, it's to prevent "the tyranny of the majority". A majority can be any group infringing on the rights of others, industrial groups for instance, or religious groups, seeking power








What I'm suggesting is that there will be a complaint about the electoral college from whichever side loses.
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Reply #7 - Mar 25th, 2019 at 12:23pm
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 25th, 2019 at 11:27am:
Bias_2012 wrote on Mar 25th, 2019 at 11:24am:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 25th, 2019 at 11:00am:
But I will wait for the RWers to whine about it in 2020.


Why display your ignorance time and again? The Electoral College is not for rightwingers ... or leftwingers, it's to prevent "the tyranny of the majority". A majority can be any group infringing on the rights of others, industrial groups for instance, or religious groups, seeking power








What I'm suggesting is that there will be a complaint about the electoral college from whichever side loses.


If he wins in 2020, which he probably will, I won't be complaining if he loses the popular vote (again).

However, people need to understand exactly what that means.


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Reply #8 - Mar 25th, 2019 at 3:09pm
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 25th, 2019 at 10:07am:

But do you think the electoral college is fair Yadda?




The Electoral College system sounds both fairer and safer [more 'tamper proof'], to me.

NPV = = dangerous [to fairness].

founding fathers = = 'smarties'




Pay particular attention to arguments made in the last 1 min 15 secs


The Popular Vote vs. the Electoral College

5 min
https://youtu.be/LXnjGD7j2B0





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WATCH: Dem Presidential Candidate Cory Booker Advocates National Popular Vote Over Electoral College

By Frank Camp
March 29, 2019
https://www.dailywire.com/news/45322/watch-dem-presidential-candidate-senator-co...



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Re: My candidate lost electorally, so lets change the
Reply #10 - Apr 1st, 2019 at 12:38am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 25th, 2019 at 12:23pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 25th, 2019 at 11:27am:
Bias_2012 wrote on Mar 25th, 2019 at 11:24am:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 25th, 2019 at 11:00am:
But I will wait for the RWers to whine about it in 2020.


Why display your ignorance time and again? The Electoral College is not for rightwingers ... or leftwingers, it's to prevent "the tyranny of the majority". A majority can be any group infringing on the rights of others, industrial groups for instance, or religious groups, seeking power








What I'm suggesting is that there will be a complaint about the electoral college from whichever side loses.


If he wins in 2020, which he probably will, I won't be complaining if he loses the popular vote (again).

However, people need to understand exactly what that means.





It means that people in all 50 States were represented in the election of their President. A popular vote would negate the votes of at least ten States and possibly as many as forty. The combined populations of the largest liberal cities outnumber most of the least populous States.
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Reply #11 - Apr 1st, 2019 at 6:51pm
 
Bias_2012 wrote on Mar 25th, 2019 at 11:24am:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 25th, 2019 at 11:00am:
But I will wait for the RWers to whine about it in 2020.


Why display your ignorance time and again? The Electoral College is not for rightwingers ... or leftwingers, it's to prevent "the tyranny of the majority". A majority can be any group infringing on the rights of others, industrial groups for instance, or religious groups, seeking power






This is all very amusing, indeed, Bias.

Did you know that the Electoral College was supposed to be district-based? James Madison said so in a letter to George Hay in 1828. In fact, there was an amendment to make this so but it never got through the Congress. This is because political parties realised that 'voting like a string of beads' was beneficial to them.

By the way, the Founding Fathers weren't really that wise. The Constitution missed out on so many things.
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Yadda wrote on Mar 25th, 2019 at 3:09pm:
founding fathers = = 'smarties'


Not very smart.

They forgot to include the line-item veto and provisions to prevent riders in bills.
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Reply #13 - Apr 1st, 2019 at 8:31pm
 
Auggie wrote on Apr 1st, 2019 at 6:53pm:
Yadda wrote on Mar 25th, 2019 at 3:09pm:
founding fathers = = 'smarties'


Not very smart.

They forgot to include the line-item veto and provisions to prevent riders in bills.


Both those issues can be easily resolved, any time Congress thinks they want it bad enough to change it/them.

Congress can, any time they want to, give the President the power of a Line Item Veto.....

In over 230 years Congress hasn't seen either item as an obstacle that they couldn't overcome, or couldn't deal with. Presidents would love more power, but Congress would rather fix the legislation themselves.

The Founding Fathers had more important things to do rather than micro-managing Congressional legislation. They left it to Congress, & it's where it should be.

Line item veto.......most bills that have issues get returned to both Houses to resolve the issue(s).....if fixed, the legislation gets passed, if not it dies. If the President still doesn't like it when it gets to him, he can veto the whole shootin' match, otherwise he signs it into law..........it seems to bother you more than it does them.

Riders......same as the above, the final votes can send it back to get reworked, & again if fixed, the legislation gets passed, if the President likes it he signs it into law, if he still doesn't like it, he can veto it, & it can go back for an override, otherwise it dies the death it should......they move on......again, it seems to bother you more than it does them.
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Re: My candidate lost electorally, so lets change the
Reply #14 - Apr 2nd, 2019 at 7:47pm
 
Panther wrote on Apr 1st, 2019 at 8:31pm:
Auggie wrote on Apr 1st, 2019 at 6:53pm:
Yadda wrote on Mar 25th, 2019 at 3:09pm:
founding fathers = = 'smarties'


Not very smart.

They forgot to include the line-item veto and provisions to prevent riders in bills.


Both those issues can be easily resolved, any time Congress thinks they want it bad enough to change it/them.

Congress can, any time they want to, give the President the power of a Line Item Veto.....

In over 230 years Congress hasn't seen either item as an obstacle that they couldn't overcome, or couldn't deal with. Presidents would love more power, but Congress would rather fix the legislation themselves.

The Founding Fathers had more important things to do rather than micro-managing Congressional legislation. They left it to Congress, & it's where it should be.

Line item veto.......most bills that have issues get returned to both Houses to resolve the issue(s).....if fixed, the legislation gets passed, if not it dies. If the President still doesn't like it when it gets to him, he can veto the whole shootin' match, otherwise he signs it into law..........it seems to bother you more than it does them.

Riders......same as the above, the final votes can send it back to get reworked, & again if fixed, the legislation gets passed, if the President likes it he signs it into law, if he still doesn't like it, he can veto it, & it can go back for an override, otherwise it dies the death it should......they move on......again, it seems to bother you more than it does them.


Riders don't bother them because it suits Congress. They can tact anything they want on it and give the President an impossible choice.
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