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Mar 24th, 2019 at 11:31am
 
The Boeing 737 Max has the aerodynamic characteristics of a coffin and would not even get off the ground without it insidious software.

The Boeing 737 will never fly again. It's reputation is doomed.

Boeing has blood on its hands and there should be criminal prosecutions of Boeing and FAA personnel for culpable homicide.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/boeing-737-max-8-scandal-grows-doomed-lion-air-fli...

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Boeing 737 MAX-8 Scandal Grows: Doomed Lion Air Flight Should Never Have Flown
New reports say the jet was saved by a third pilot. The next crew wasn’t so lucky. Yet nobody thought it would happen again. It did—twice.

Clive Irving
03.21.19 4:05 AM ET

Should Boeing and the world’s air safety regulators have moved faster to question the safety of the 737 MAX-8 after the crash of Lion Air Flight 610 last October and grounded the world’s fleets of the new model, as they later did?

Had they done so, that would probably have prevented the second catastrophic crash in Ethiopia that killed 157 people because of striking similarities between the two events.


These acute questions arise after two new reports have switched attention back to that first crash in Indonesia that killed 189 people.

Reuters reported Wednesday that three sources revealed to them snatches of conversation between the Lion Air pilots recorded on the cockpit voice recorder.

It was already known that for a large part of the 11-minute flight following takeoff from Jakarta the pilots were engaged in a losing struggle to regain control of the airplane from a rogue computer-directed action that was forcing down the nose of the airplane. Eventually it entered a terrifying dive into the Java Sea.

According to the Reuters account, the captain asked the copilot to go through the quick reference flight manual for help in identifying what was happening. Reportedly neither realized that their command of the flight was being overridden by the computers.

Boeing subsequently admitted that the manual did not include any reference to the existence of the malfunctioning system, Maneuvering Characteristics Augmentation System, MCAS, nor had the pilots been made aware of it during training to prepare them for switching to the new model 737 from the previous model.

Bloomberg also reports that the same airplane on its previous flight encountered an identical problem and was saved only because there was a third pilot in the cockpit making what is called a “dead-head” trip on a jump seat and that this pilot correctly diagnosed the problem and told the crew how to recover from it.

The pilots basically pulled the plug on the rogue system by reverting to manual control, flipping two switches to cut off the computerized flight management system and giving back to them control of the horizontal stabilizer–the main control surface in the tail that was forcing down the nose.

With the computers disengaged the pilots were able safely to hand-fly the airplane to its destination, Jakarta.

These two accounts now bring renewed focus on what happened to that airplane as it sat in Jakarta overnight before its fatal flight.

Lion Air has said that the pilots reported the incident and that the aircraft’s systems were fully checked and it was cleared to fly.

International Airport on March 11, 2019 in Fort Lauderdale, Florida. Boeing's stock dropped today after a second deadly crash involving the Boeing 737 Max 8, the newest version of its most popular jetliner.
Boeing’s Cost-Cutting Addiction Led to Disaster
Not only is that now in question but it puts the airline itself and its maintenance practices at the center of the crash investigation. It is already established that the system forcing down the nose, MCAS, was doing so because it was receiving false readings from a sensor in the nose of the MAX-8–a sensor designed to detect if the airplane is nosing up into an aerodynamic stall.

“The fact that the flight was allowed to leave the gate will be a key part of the investigation now under way, and the outcome could be very damning for Lion Air.”
If the fault in that airplane on that day had been traced to the sensor it could not have left the gate before the sensor was replaced and the new sensor checked. The fact that the flight was allowed to leave the gate will be a key part of the investigation now under way, and the outcome could be very damning for Lion Air.

Experts on flight control systems are debating why Boeing decided not to disclose the presence of a few lines of code buried deep in the airplane’s avionics software.

MCAS was not an update; it was a patch to fix a problem that first showed up in Boeing’s wind tunnel tests to show how the MAX-8 behaved in some of the outer edges of the flight envelope.

A pilot with long experience of developing new systems told The Daily Beast that the specific problem that showed up in the wind tunnel, a risk of an aerodynamic stall during a steep turn, would occur very rarely, if at all, during normal airline operations.

Nonetheless Boeing recognized that it was a risk introduced with the MAX-8 that had not been present in earlier 737 models and that it had to be addressed. What seems not to have been anticipated is that a false reading in a single sensor could trigger the MCAS and have a fatal result. ...
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Re: Doomed flights: Boeing 737 Max never to fly again
Reply #1 - Mar 24th, 2019 at 11:54am
 
Don't get your panties in a knot.

It will fly again with new software and training.

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Re: Doomed flights: Boeing 737 Max never to fly again
Reply #2 - Mar 24th, 2019 at 11:59am
 
Bobby. wrote on Mar 24th, 2019 at 11:54am:
It will fly again with new software and training.



Software 'patch' is already done but waiting for approval.

https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/incidents/fix-to-737-max-antistall...
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Re: Doomed flights: Boeing 737 Max never to fly again
Reply #3 - Mar 24th, 2019 at 12:12pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Mar 24th, 2019 at 11:54am:
Don't get your panties in a knot.

It will fly again with new software and training.



Sully would have kept them in the air.


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Reply #4 - Mar 24th, 2019 at 12:21pm
 
Carl D wrote on Mar 24th, 2019 at 11:59am:
Bobby. wrote on Mar 24th, 2019 at 11:54am:
It will fly again with new software and training.



Software 'patch' is already done but waiting for approval.

https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/incidents/fix-to-737-max-antistall...



And how about some triple redundant sensors?
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Reply #5 - Mar 24th, 2019 at 12:32pm
 
Nice to see Boeing worked out their teething problems by have a couple 'go in'

Incredulous that pilots didn't receive training on how the new software operated

It is on Boeing not on the airlines
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Reply #6 - Mar 24th, 2019 at 12:34pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Mar 24th, 2019 at 12:21pm:
Carl D wrote on Mar 24th, 2019 at 11:59am:
Bobby. wrote on Mar 24th, 2019 at 11:54am:
It will fly again with new software and training.



Software 'patch' is already done but waiting for approval.

https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/incidents/fix-to-737-max-antistall...



And how about some triple redundant sensors?


*And in breaking news.....a Dick Head at a small Australian Forum has in seconds solved the problems being experienced with Boeing's grounded plane.  It was a  simple triple redundancy sensor that the greatest computer brains at and available to Boeing failed to discover,  Bobby, a well known homophobe at OzPolitics said, "And how about some triple redundant sensors?" Boeing shareholders expressed their astonishment and eternal gratitude.  A spokesperson for them said, "We are astonished and will be eternally grateful to Bobby, the well known homophobe of OzPolitics."*
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Re: Doomed flights: Boeing 737 Max never to fly again
Reply #7 - Mar 24th, 2019 at 12:36pm
 
Aussie wrote on Mar 24th, 2019 at 12:34pm:
Bobby. wrote on Mar 24th, 2019 at 12:21pm:
Carl D wrote on Mar 24th, 2019 at 11:59am:
Bobby. wrote on Mar 24th, 2019 at 11:54am:
It will fly again with new software and training.



Software 'patch' is already done but waiting for approval.

https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/incidents/fix-to-737-max-antistall...



And how about some triple redundant sensors?


*And in breaking news.....a Dick Head at a small Australian Forum has in seconds solved the problems being experienced with Boeing's grounded plane.  It was a  simple triple redundancy sensor that the greatest computer brains at and available to Boeing failed to discover,  Bobby, a well known homophobe at OzPolitics said, "And how about some triple redundant sensors?" Boeing shareholders expressed their astonishment and eternal gratitude.  A spokesperson for them said, "We are astonished and will be eternally grateful to Bobby, the well known homophobe of OzPolitics."*



Are the Max 8 planes equipped with triple redundant sensors?
That is the question - it's not about ad hominem abuse from our resident troll.
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Reply #8 - Mar 24th, 2019 at 1:20pm
 
The outcry continues. Pilots were not informed about MCAS and were trained on iPads.

Absolute gross negligence, criminal negligence, and culpable homicide by Boeing and the FAA.

https://www.aviationcv.com/aviation-blog/2019/shocking-facts-boeing-737max-crash

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... The Federal Aviation Authority and Boeing has come under a lot of scrutiny for their training and certification procedures. Pilots from various unions around the United States have stated that nor Boeing nor the FAA have informed them properly about the dangers of MCAS.
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People are questioning whether the jet will fly again.
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So, a few pilots have come out and talked about the so-called cost-cutting training program for the Boeing 737 MAX. Evidently, the training session was a one-hour theoretical lecture with an iPad on how to fly the MAX. Pilots did not step into the simulator to try their hand at the controls.

And what’s even grimmer is the fact that the theoretical lecture did not include any information about the MCAS. Flight manuals also lacked any information about the system, which investigators are claiming to be responsible for the deadly accidents.

And recent data recovered from the cockpit voice recorders from the Lion Air crash has revealed that pilots were panicking and searching for a way to fix the aircraft’s nose of pitching down because of the faulty Angle Of Attack sensors. ...
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Re: Doomed flights: Boeing 737 Max never to fly again
Reply #9 - Mar 24th, 2019 at 1:45pm
 
Well - that pretty much covers what I said at the beginning.. just come to me first for the good oil without all this tail-chasing...
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Reply #10 - Apr 7th, 2019 at 1:07pm
 
Ralph Nader had a 24 year old relative on the doomed flight. Ralph Nader is suing Boeing. Ralph Nader has beaten multinationals before. Ralph Nader knows how it is done.
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Re: Doomed flights: Boeing 737 Max never to fly again
Reply #11 - Apr 7th, 2019 at 8:52pm
 
red baron wrote on Mar 24th, 2019 at 12:32pm:
Nice to see Boeing worked out their teething problems by have a couple 'go in'

Incredulous that pilots didn't receive training on how the new software operated

It is on Boeing not on the airlines

The airlines are responsible for training..... Boeing may do a training package for airlines chief pilots....

It's up to the airline to then train the others.

And these airlines from bumfark in Asia or Africa wouldn't be averse to taking short cuts.
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