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Mar 19th, 2019 at 5:02pm
 
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Call for review of gun licence laws


Gun control advocates want Australia's security agencies to immediately review what weapons are available under different firearms licence categories.

Australia's gun laws need an urgent review because rapid-fire weapons like the one used by the alleged Christchurch shooter are legally available to hunters and sport shooters.

Gun Control Australia says the existing firearm categorisation system is outdated and has led to high-powered guns flooding the recreational hunting and sport shooting market.

"These firearms pose a significant risk to community safety as they are capable of causing multiple fatalities within a short period of time," the lobby group's president Sam Lee said on Tuesday.

"Most Australians don't realise that our world-leading gun laws are being strategically dismantled as a result of decades of pressure from the well-funded and powerful gun lobby."

While New Zealand's gun laws are currently looser than Australia's, Ms Lee says the lever-action weapon in the possession of the alleged Christchurch shooter is legally available here under the two lowest gun license categories.

Military-style bolt-action and lever action shotguns have crept into the market of weapons available to category A and B licences, GCA says.

It wants Prime Minister Scott Morrison to immediately ask national security agencies to review what type of weapons are available under each licence category.

The Firearms Industry Reference Group - which GCA says is "pro-guns" - should not be involved in the review, and any findings should be made publicly available.

"Australia's firearms categories have not been properly updated since they were introduced 23 years ago following the 1996 Port Arthur massacre," Ms Lee said.

"As a result, firearms manufacturers are now able to import rapid-fire weapons ... for recreational hunting and sporting purposes."

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/call-for-review-of-gun-licence-laws?fbclid=IwAR1Kund...



Gun Control Australia are telling lies in claiming the rapid fire weapons used in Christchurch are legally available to hunters and sports shooters.

The pictures posted in that SBS article don't show any guns that are legally available to hunters or sports shooters, more fearmongering and lies from GCA and SBS on the eve of the NSW election.

No military anywhere in the world has used a lever action shotgun since the late 1800s.

What is a military style bolt action rifle is it the Lee Enfield .303 our diggers used in WW1? How is that anymore dangerous compared to any other bolt action rifle that we allow hunters to have?

The Firearms Industry reference group is made up from people who work in the firearms industry who also supply our police and military with firearms,our military is a much bigger market for companies like NIOA compared to recreation and occupational shooters like farmers, why does Ms lee think they should have no say in it when it's clear Ms lee has no idea about guns.

If we are to follow GCA and Ms Lee on this can we get people who are scared of sharks and crocodiles to make policy on controlling those animals and ignore what experts who work with them say about crocodile and shark control?
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Reply #1 - Mar 19th, 2019 at 5:05pm
 
Fact check:

The murderous nutter in NZ purchased the firearms from a shop in NZ.

He had the permits from 2017 I believe?
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Reply #2 - Mar 19th, 2019 at 5:10pm
 
Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 19th, 2019 at 5:05pm:
Fact check:

The murderous nutter in NZ purchased the firearms from a shop in NZ.

He had the permits from 2017 I believe?


Fact check

The NZ terrorist had a Category A license the AR15 he used were Category E which he didn't have a license for therefore they were illegal.

The shotgun he started with was Category A which he had a license for.

The terrorist was a member of the Bruce rifle club in Dunedin, the police were personally informed by club members he was dangerous with extreme views. If the police enforced the laws they already have this would have been prevented.
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Reply #3 - Mar 19th, 2019 at 6:11pm
 
A spokesman for the Bruce Rifle Club, near Milton, confirmed Tarrant was a club member.

"We are assisting [police] with their investigation," the man said.

"He seemed a reasonably normal sort of dude."

So how did he get hold of the semi-automatic?

Where did he get it from?

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While the styles of weapons used by the Christchurch terrorist are more regulated by law, other types of rifles could be modified into a military-style semiautomatic weapon with the addition of larger-capacity magazines and other unregulated parts.

There have also been calls to arm New Zealand police, who don’t routinely carry firearms and must rely on backup from specialist squads.

After watching the video of alleged mosque gunman Brenton Tarrant,
a former armed offenders’ unit member told a New Zealand news outlet that the man’s weapons could be purchased with “a normal firearms license”, despite being similar to what police and military use.


“He would have been shooting somewhere practising,” said the 16-year police veteran, who wished to remain unidentified. “It’s not the first time he’s ever fired those types of weapons. He’s fired them before.”

A spokesman for the Bruce Rifle Club, near Milton, confirmed Tarrant was a club member and practised shooting at its range.

“We are all … a bit stunned and shocked,” the spokesman toldThe Otago Daily Times.

He added that Tarrant seemed “as normal as anyone else” and had “certainly” never mentioned anything about his beliefs about Muslims


https://www.news.com.au/world/pacific/how-the-christchurch-shooter-obtained-powe...


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Reply #4 - Mar 19th, 2019 at 10:02pm
 
Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 19th, 2019 at 6:11pm:
A spokesman for the Bruce Rifle Club, near Milton, confirmed Tarrant was a club member.

"We are assisting [police] with their investigation," the man said.

"He seemed a reasonably normal sort of dude."

So how did he get hold of the semi-automatic?

Where did he get it from?

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While the styles of weapons used by the Christchurch terrorist are more regulated by law, other types of rifles could be modified into a military-style semiautomatic weapon with the addition of larger-capacity magazines and other unregulated parts.

There have also been calls to arm New Zealand police, who don’t routinely carry firearms and must rely on backup from specialist squads.

After watching the video of alleged mosque gunman Brenton Tarrant,
a former armed offenders’ unit member told a New Zealand news outlet that the man’s weapons could be purchased with “a normal firearms license”, despite being similar to what police and military use.


“He would have been shooting somewhere practising,” said the 16-year police veteran, who wished to remain unidentified. “It’s not the first time he’s ever fired those types of weapons. He’s fired them before.”

A spokesman for the Bruce Rifle Club, near Milton, confirmed Tarrant was a club member and practised shooting at its range.

“We are all … a bit stunned and shocked,” the spokesman toldThe Otago Daily Times.

He added that Tarrant seemed “as normal as anyone else” and had “certainly” never mentioned anything about his beliefs about Muslims


https://www.news.com.au/world/pacific/how-the-christchurch-shooter-obtained-powe...




It's not a conflicting fact check the semi auto rifles he used were Category E which means the semi auto rifles he had were not legal for him to own or use.

Stop looking at fake media and you will find an article where a member of the Bruce rifle club personally visited the police to say the terrorist was a danger with extremist views, if the police enforced their laws this could have been prevented.



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Military-style semi-automatic (MSSA) firearms Are firearms that require an endorsement on your firearms licence (E endorsement) and are subject to special security conditions.  Only an E endorsed person may have or use a MSSA and it is an offence for anyone without this endorsement to fire one,  even under supervision.  Only persons 18 years of age or older can have an endorsement for one of these firearms.  A permit to procure the MSSA must be obtained from an Arms Officer before taking possession of it.  MSSAs require greater storage security than for standard sporting firearms.

A MSSA is a self-loading rifle or shotgun with one or more  of the following features:

• Magazine that holds more than 7 cartridges, or is detachable   and has the appearance of holding more than 10 cartridges   for other than a .22 rimfire

https://www.police.govt.nz/sites/default/files/publications/the-arms-code-2013.p...
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Reply #5 - Mar 20th, 2019 at 2:02am
 
I don't think we are ever getting the opportunity to easily buy semi auto rifles in Australia again. All this education and facts isn't going to work. The shooting community is constantly marginalised by the media and politicians.

Look at the restrictions on bolt actions. You'd have to see something like air rifles unrestricted before the conversation about easily obtainable and registerable semi automatics became available.

Also saying a Lee Enfield is a military style rifle is odd. Yes it was a military rifle. Yes it was designed for the military. No it is not a death machine, it was the best they had at the time.

Before that horses and lancers and swords were the best things. Hardly weapons of death. Just the best the military could get at the time.

And they aren't death machines because one guy with a. 303 is hardly a one man army.

It was just the best at the time.
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Reply #6 - Mar 20th, 2019 at 6:35pm
 
John Howard and Political Australia said we can't all have Guns as a Common People.
That's fine.
A 'new Weapon' is being invented, that is not even remotely like a Gun.
Australia's Common people are more than allowed to be armed with these soon. Wink

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Reply #7 - Mar 20th, 2019 at 8:34pm
 
Jasin wrote on Mar 20th, 2019 at 6:35pm:
John Howard and Political Australia said we can't all have Guns as a Common People.


Ah, that'd explain why Australians have more firearms now in private hands than before the Port Arthur massacre, now would it, JaSin?    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #8 - Mar 20th, 2019 at 8:39pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 20th, 2019 at 8:34pm:
Jasin wrote on Mar 20th, 2019 at 6:35pm:
John Howard and Political Australia said we can't all have Guns as a Common People.


Ah, that'd explain why Australians have more firearms now in private hands than before the Port Arthur massacre, now would it, JaSin?    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


It's called 'population growth' you ol tool  Grin
Just like every year the latest movie has 'grossed more', etc... because more people at 8 billion watched a movie than 4 billion 50 years ago.  Cheesy
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Reply #9 - Mar 20th, 2019 at 8:47pm
 
Jasin wrote on Mar 20th, 2019 at 8:39pm:
It's called 'population growth' you ol tool  Grin


if it was just about population growth, we'd have more horses and carts then we did 100 years ago

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Reply #10 - Mar 20th, 2019 at 9:24pm
 
John Smith wrote on Mar 20th, 2019 at 8:47pm:
Jasin wrote on Mar 20th, 2019 at 8:39pm:
It's called 'population growth' you ol tool  Grin


if it was just about population growth, we'd have more horses and carts then we did 100 years ago

you fool


Hey Boofhead!
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I can't even reach that level of stupid to respond.
Horse & Carts  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin WTF????!!!!  Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #11 - Mar 20th, 2019 at 9:40pm
 
Jasin wrote on Mar 20th, 2019 at 8:39pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 20th, 2019 at 8:34pm:
Jasin wrote on Mar 20th, 2019 at 6:35pm:
John Howard and Political Australia said we can't all have Guns as a Common People.


Ah, that'd explain why Australians have more firearms now in private hands than before the Port Arthur massacre, now would it, JaSin?    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


It's called 'population growth' you ol tool  Grin
Just like every year the latest movie has 'grossed more', etc... because more people at 8 billion watched a movie than 4 billion 50 years ago.  Cheesy


Mmm, an interesting idea, JaSin.

However, it doesn't explain why we have nearly twice as many firearms in private hands today, some 23 year later than we had before Port Arthur.   While our population has grown, it has not doubled in size in the last 23 years.  Oh, and the number of firearms has been long agreed to by the Sporting Shooters' Association of Australia...    Roll Eyes
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Reply #12 - Mar 21st, 2019 at 9:50am
 
Philip Alpers also tells lies to back GCA, he has no formal qualificiations. Being an Adjunct Associate Professor is like getting your qualifications from a Corn Flakes packet.

Why does the media give these clowns any attention when they can't even get the basics right?

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Philip Alpers, a most dubious researcher


Originally printed by the Sporting Shooters Association of New Zealand’s The Mighty Pen

We are not sure what, if any, actual qualification Mr Alpers, who has claimed at various times to be a Researcher & Policy Analyst, Firearms Injury Prevention (Oct 96) or Gun Policy Researcher (Feb. 97)” has.He refers to attending university, “without enrolling”, where he “did drugs and university by day” and worked part time by night (North & South Magazine, July, 1991). He appears to have then dropped out to “move on the fringes of the hippy drug world” (NZ Listener, 24 October 1987) and to later become a radio DJ in Gisborne. If he is without tertiary academic training, it may explain his sloppy research and presentation and also his difficulty with such things as simple mathematics.

Alper’s errors could simply be frequent genuine mistakes. However, the fact that these invariably appear in such a way as to enhance his argument raises the question of what must the odds be of this happening?


More here- https://ssaa.org.au/news-resources/know-your-opponent/philip-alpers-a-most-dubio...

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Reply #13 - Mar 21st, 2019 at 10:25am
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 21st, 2019 at 9:50am:
Philip Alpers also tells lies to back GCA, he has no formal qualificiations. Being an Adjunct Associate Professor is like getting your qualifications from a Corn Flakes packet.

Why does the media give these clowns any attention when they can't even get the basics right?

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Philip Alpers, a most dubious researcher


Originally printed by the Sporting Shooters Association of New Zealand’s The Mighty Pen

We are not sure what, if any, actual qualification Mr Alpers, who has claimed at various times to be a Researcher & Policy Analyst, Firearms Injury Prevention (Oct 96) or Gun Policy Researcher (Feb. 97)” has.He refers to attending university, “without enrolling”, where he “did drugs and university by day” and worked part time by night (North & South Magazine, July, 1991). He appears to have then dropped out to “move on the fringes of the hippy drug world” (NZ Listener, 24 October 1987) and to later become a radio DJ in Gisborne. If he is without tertiary academic training, it may explain his sloppy research and presentation and also his difficulty with such things as simple mathematics.

Alper’s errors could simply be frequent genuine mistakes. However, the fact that these invariably appear in such a way as to enhance his argument raises the question of what must the odds be of this happening?


More here- https://ssaa.org.au/news-resources/know-your-opponent/philip-alpers-a-most-dubio...




Oh look, research

https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.gunpolicy.org%2Fdocuments%2...
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Reply #14 - Mar 21st, 2019 at 10:35am
 
John Smith wrote on Mar 20th, 2019 at 8:47pm:
Jasin wrote on Mar 20th, 2019 at 8:39pm:
It's called 'population growth' you ol tool  Grin


if it was just about population growth, we'd have more horses and carts then we did 100 years ago

you fool

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