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Reply #390 - Nov 21st, 2019 at 11:09am
 
The Greeny lying frauds thrive on bulldust and depend on conning and fooling the gullible gormless public.




Mt Barker — How not to measure the temperature
July 29th, 2019

Thanks to Bill in Oz who sent in this photo of the Mt Barker site in South Australia.

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Ken Stewart at Ken’s Kingdom writes: The Wacky World of Weather Stations: No. 1- Mount Barker. Mt Barker, Photo, Bureau of Meteorology site.
Photo: Bill in Oz.

Count the ways this site breaches the Bureau of Meteorology own rules:
Ken Stewart finds the relevant BoM guidelines.
Clearly this site is on a slope,
too close to buildings,
too close to tall foliage,
too close to heat sinks,
it should not be artificially watered, or near asphalt.
It should have a 30 meter buffer zone,
and not be shielded from the sun, rain or wind.
BillinOz points out that it is totally screened from the southerly cold winds,
and the cold air will be drained from the spot down the slope.


How much do the Bureau of Meteorology care about climate change? — About 1m out of 30m or 3% of their advertised “care” factor.  That’s a a 97% Junk-Science rate. The future of life on Earth is supposedly at stake and the “experts” can’t even be bothered accurately measuring the climate change they tell us we need to pay billions of dollars to solve.

Mt Barker, Bureau of Meteorology site, 2015.
Could it be worse? Sure — in 2015, the Mt Barker thermometer was on the other side of the block next to the driveway and the van.  | Imagery  ©2019 Google

Obviously every record claimed at this site is scientifically meaningless. This sort of error can’t be homogenized or adjusted away, but taxpaying Australians might think that installing a proper site would be possible when we pay them over a million dollars a day.

Mt Barker’s temperatures are published at their Latest Weather Observations page. As Stewart points out this flawed site is used to adjust temperatures at official superstar ACORN-SAT sites at Adelaide, Cape Borda, Nuriootpa, Robe, and Snowtown. And thus does bad data pollute Australia’s temperature records and the press releases that are used to scare the public into paying more money to fix a climate problem no one can be bothered to even measure properly.

The bottom line? Ask our M.P.’s to audit the Bureau of Met. If the environment matters, there must be an independent audit. Skeptics have asked, and the Bureau threw out the whole dataset to avoid the audit. They admit they won’t describe their methods. If the Greens or Australian Conservation Foundation cared about the environment, they would demand an audit like we do.

In 2015 this site was on the other side of the block next to the driveway and car. “Lucky” the BoM realized, and … moved it to another inadequate spot.

Those fantasy bureau guidelines:

Specifications for meteorological stations are set out in the BOM Observation Specification 2013.1 “GUIDELINES FOR THE SITING AND EXPOSURE OF METEOROLOGICAL INSTRUMENTS AND OBSERVING FACILITIES”.

http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/cdo/about/observation_specification_2013.pdf

3.4.1  “… the Instrument enclosure is a 17 metres by 17 metres square enclosure in the middle of a 30 metre by 30 metre square buffer zone aligned in the true North – South direction.”

3.4.2  The enclosure area is to be “level, clearly defined and covered with as much of the natural vegetation of the area that can kept cut to a height of a few centimetres…  should not be artificially watered.”  Concrete or asphalt walkways no wider than 0.5 metres should be minimal and only installed if the ground will be impassable or unsafe in wet conditions.

3.4.3  The buffer zone must also be covered with natural vegetation maintained below 0.5 metres.

3.4.4  An isolated obstruction up to 15 metres high should be 4 times its height in distance from the enclosure.

3.6.4  “If a shelter is required at locations where no instrument enclosure is to be provided, it must be installed in an area that is level and covered with either the natural vegetation of the area or unwatered grass, which needs to be kept trimmed to a few centimetres in height.  The site should not be in a hollow or on a steep slope.  The shelter should be freely exposed to the sun and wind, and not shielded by or close to trees, buildings, fences, walls or other obstructions.  It should also not be close to extensive areas of concrete, asphalt, rock or other surfaces which may locally alter the air temperature of the site.  In areas where these surfaces are unavoidable, a minimum clearance of 5 times the width of the unrepresentative surface is recommended.”

Thanks to BillinOz who sent in this photo. If readers want to send in more photos of their local sites, please comment or email me joanne AT this site domain. Cheers! Jo

PS: As Ken points out, the people in the house are not to blame. Target your responses to the BoM!

http://joannenova.com.au/2019/07/mt-barker-how-not-to-measure-the-temperature/
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Reply #391 - Nov 21st, 2019 at 11:46am
 
From the WMO -

"A source of heat (or expanse of water) is considered to have an impact if it occupies more than 10 % of the surface within a circular radius of 100 m surrounding the screen, makes up 5 % of an annulus of 10–30 m, or covers 1 % of a 10 m radius area."

https://www.wmo.int/pages/prog/www/IMOP/publications/CIMO-Guide/Prelim_2018_ed/8...
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Reply #392 - Nov 21st, 2019 at 11:53am
 
"Power utility SA Power Networks cut electricity supply to the town of Port Lincoln and surrounds on Wednesday as temperatures soared towards 45 degrees."

https://www.afr.com/companies/infrastructure/electricity-shut-off-in-parts-of-sa...

"SA Power Networks said power had been turned off to Port Lincoln and the Lower Eyre Peninsula, affecting more than 10,000 homes, by early Wednesday afternoon.

“With fire conditions expected to continue well into this evening, be prepared for a potentially extended outage before it is safe to restore power supply,” its Twitter account said."

https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/state/sa/2019/11/20/victoria-adelaide-heat-fires...

I guess there was a fear of overloading the grid.
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Reply #393 - Nov 21st, 2019 at 12:09pm
 
lee wrote on Nov 21st, 2019 at 11:53am:
"Power utility SA Power Networks cut electricity supply to the town of Port Lincoln and surrounds on Wednesday as temperatures soared towards 45 degrees."

https://www.afr.com/companies/infrastructure/electricity-shut-off-in-parts-of-sa...

"SA Power Networks said power had been turned off to Port Lincoln and the Lower Eyre Peninsula, affecting more than 10,000 homes, by early Wednesday afternoon.

“With fire conditions expected to continue well into this evening, be prepared for a potentially extended outage before it is safe to restore power supply,” its Twitter account said."

https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/state/sa/2019/11/20/victoria-adelaide-heat-fires...

I guess there was a fear of overloading the grid.

No, it was the wind, power lines could short out or fall over, its standard procedure in catastrophic conditions on the Eyre Peninsular.

I am sure the wind turbines in SA yesterday would have been putting out max megawatts.
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Reply #394 - Nov 21st, 2019 at 12:16pm
 
All the thermo meters are part of a network and if any are out of whack they would be soon picked up, picking on individual thermo meter readings is getting a bit desperate.
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Reply #395 - Nov 21st, 2019 at 1:07pm
 
Johnnie wrote on Nov 21st, 2019 at 12:16pm:
All the thermo meters are part of a network and if any are out of whack they would be soon picked up, picking on individual thermo meter readings is getting a bit desperate.



And who controls that network? And why is Mt Barker a site to adjust ACORN-SAT "data?

You mean you don't think BoM knows about this? Those buildings look like they are inhabited at times if not permanently. Wink
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Reply #396 - Nov 21st, 2019 at 1:21pm
 
Johnnie wrote on Nov 21st, 2019 at 12:09pm:
o, it was the wind, power lines could short out or fall over, its standard procedure in catastrophic conditions on the Eyre Peninsular.



You mean they don't use wire separators in SA to stop the wires from clashing etc? And they reckon WA should turn their clocks back 20 years. Grin Grin Grin Grin

Johnnie wrote on Nov 21st, 2019 at 12:09pm:
I am sure the wind turbines in SA yesterday would have been putting out max megawatts.



Depends on wind speed. Too much and they have to feather them to stop them turning.

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Reply #397 - Nov 21st, 2019 at 3:27pm
 
lee wrote on Nov 21st, 2019 at 1:21pm:
Johnnie wrote on Nov 21st, 2019 at 12:09pm:
o, it was the wind, power lines could short out or fall over, its standard procedure in catastrophic conditions on the Eyre Peninsular.



You mean they don't use wire separators in SA to stop the wires from clashing etc? And they reckon WA should turn their clocks back 20 years. Grin Grin Grin Grin

Johnnie wrote on Nov 21st, 2019 at 12:09pm:
I am sure the wind turbines in SA yesterday would have been putting out max megawatts.



Depends on wind speed. Too much and they have to feather them to stop them turning.


They adjust the pitch of the blades so they don't take off.

Its the expanse the remoteness and the desert conditions out there that dictate power supply, you wouldn't want a transformer to catch fire out there yesterday, or a separator to fall off.
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Reply #398 - Nov 21st, 2019 at 4:26pm
 
Johnnie wrote on Nov 21st, 2019 at 3:27pm:
They adjust the pitch of the blades so they don't take off.



Some do, some don't. What does SA have?

Johnnie wrote on Nov 21st, 2019 at 3:27pm:
Its the expanse the remoteness and the desert conditions out there that dictate power supply, you wouldn't want a transformer to catch fire out there yesterday, or a separator to fall off.


So let's see - You don't want separators out in the desert because of bushfire?

Amd yet we keep hearing how we have plenty of land out there for solar  etc. But when the wind blows they will shut the generation down to stop fires? Roll Eyes
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Reply #399 - Nov 21st, 2019 at 4:38pm
 
lee wrote on Nov 21st, 2019 at 4:26pm:
Johnnie wrote on Nov 21st, 2019 at 3:27pm:
They adjust the pitch of the blades so they don't take off.



Some do, some don't. What does SA have?

Johnnie wrote on Nov 21st, 2019 at 3:27pm:
Its the expanse the remoteness and the desert conditions out there that dictate power supply, you wouldn't want a transformer to catch fire out there yesterday, or a separator to fall off.


So let's see - You don't want separators out in the desert because of bushfire?

Amd yet we keep hearing how we have plenty of land out there for solar  etc. But when the wind blows they will shut the generation down to stop fires? Roll Eyes

How often do these conditions happen, three days in a year perhaps,(increasing with global warming) get a generator if you want.

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Reply #400 - Nov 21st, 2019 at 6:01pm
 
Johnnie wrote on Nov 21st, 2019 at 4:38pm:
How often do these conditions happen, three days in a year perhaps,(increasing with global warming) get a generator if you want.


Strange that. According to CO2 theory there should be less wind as there is less differential in temperature.

"The pressure and temperature of any gas, including air, are directly proportional, according to Gay-Lussac's law."

Have you heard of "wind drought"?
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Reply #401 - Nov 22nd, 2019 at 2:15am
 
lee wrote on Nov 21st, 2019 at 6:01pm:
Johnnie wrote on Nov 21st, 2019 at 4:38pm:
How often do these conditions happen, three days in a year perhaps,(increasing with global warming) get a generator if you want.


Strange that. According to CO2 theory there should be less wind as there is less differential in temperature.

"The pressure and temperature of any gas, including air, are directly proportional, according to Gay-Lussac's law."

Have you heard of "wind drought"? 


"according to Co2 Theory"..... Id love to hear this theory your alluding to

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Reply #402 - Nov 22nd, 2019 at 11:09am
 
Pho Huc wrote on Nov 22nd, 2019 at 2:15am:
"according to Co2 Theory"..... Id love to hear this theory your alluding to



You know where CO2 is the driver of climate change in all its forms. Grin Grin Grin Grin

Haven't you heard of it?
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Reply #403 - Nov 22nd, 2019 at 6:15pm
 
How much does running counter ops on climate science pay? please tell me your at least getting paid to spout this garbage!
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Reply #404 - Nov 22nd, 2019 at 6:31pm
 
Pho Huc wrote on Nov 22nd, 2019 at 6:15pm:
How much does running counter ops on climate science pay? please tell me your at least getting paid to spout this garbage!


So you admit you don't know about barometric pressure and temperature. You climate warrior you. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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