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Re: MASS SHOOTING at Christchurch Mosque
Reply #405 - Mar 16^th, 2019 at 11:36pm

Setanta wrote on Mar 16^th, 2019 at 11:19pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 16^th, 2019 at 11:12pm:

Setanta wrote on Mar 16^th, 2019 at 11:05pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 16^th, 2019 at 10:54pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 16^th, 2019 at 10:44pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 16^th, 2019 at 10:31pm:

The AR15 has a 16 inch barrel which means muzzle velocity will be much lower than what is quoted by wiki which gives velocity for 24 inch barrel.

The 16 inch barrel would lose around 200-300 feet per second muzzle velocity compared to 24 inch barrel.

The .223 Remington is not considered powerful enough for goat/pig /deer hunting.

Really?
You'd think if it would gun down humans so easily it would
easily shoot & kill quickly: goats, pigs or deer.

A .243 Winchester is considered minimum for pigs and goats with a .270 considered minimum for deer.

The soldiers in Vietnam whinged about the M16 being underpowered compared to the AK47. many of our soldiers preferred the L1A1 SLR which is .308/7.62 Nato over the M16.

The AK47 uses 7.62x39 ammo 7.62 Nato is 7.62x51, the 7.62 Nato has a 51mm case compared to 39mm for AK47 so it holds more powder meaning a bigger bang with more velocity and energy.

It should be made know the .243 is a necked down .308/7.62.

Yes you can make .243 brass from .308 cases.

The .260 rem and my favourite the 7mm-08 also come from the same parent case being the .308.

You can get Ar10 chambered in .308/7mm-08/.260 rem and .243 win, since they all come from the same case they use the same magazines. A 1 minute job to swap entire uppers allowing a quick calibre change.

Before Howard ficked things up I had a couple of things on my Chrissy list. This was one.
https://ruger.com/products/miniThirty/models.html

No Muslims in sight back then.

Ruger has an incredible range, every shooter would like something in their catalog.

I like the SR556 takedown it allows calibre change from .223 to .300 blackout by changing barrel in less than 1 minute.

The SR22 rifle is a modern 10/22.

I have never advocated violence against muslims I have always said the truth is the best weapon against ancient beliefs.
Many ex muslims pretend to be muslim by going to mosques pretending to fast during Ramadan due to the consequences for leaving Islam. I know a few ex muslims who pretend to be muslim don't know any ex Christians who need to pretend to be Christian to avoid the wrath of their families.

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Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.

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mothra

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Re: MASS SHOOTING at Christchurch Mosque
Reply #406 - Mar 16^th, 2019 at 11:37pm

Setanta wrote on Mar 16^th, 2019 at 11:31pm:

mothra wrote on Mar 16^th, 2019 at 11:29pm:

Setanta wrote on Mar 16^th, 2019 at 11:28pm:

mothra wrote on Mar 16^th, 2019 at 10:57pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Mar 16^th, 2019 at 9:40pm:

Wait one second, I am not here this often... but... is Jasin serious or he is jokingly boasting...? Huh

Who can tell? He's nuttier than squirrel poo.

More interestingly though, his comments are perfectly fine with management.

It seems yours are too. Weird, eh?

Mine aren't hate-speech inciting violence.

Did I say they were? I just was taking into consideration your comments are perfectly fine with "management".

So being pointlessly argumentative again?

I'll leave you to it.

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If you can't be a good example, you have to be a horrible warning.

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Setanta

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Re: MASS SHOOTING at Christchurch Mosque
Reply #407 - Mar 16^th, 2019 at 11:38pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 16^th, 2019 at 11:30pm:

Setanta wrote on Mar 16^th, 2019 at 11:14pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 16^th, 2019 at 11:06pm:

Setanta wrote on Mar 16^th, 2019 at 10:56pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 16^th, 2019 at 10:44pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 16^th, 2019 at 10:31pm:

The AR15 has a 16 inch barrel which means muzzle velocity will be much lower than what is quoted by wiki which gives velocity for 24 inch barrel.

The 16 inch barrel would lose around 200-300 feet per second muzzle velocity compared to 24 inch barrel.

The .223 Remington is not considered powerful enough for goat/pig /deer hunting.

Really?
You'd think if it would gun down humans so easily it would
easily shoot & kill quickly: goats, pigs or deer.

You probably don't understand the criteria of how quick, painlessly and effectively it put's the animal down. I would consider it sufficient for goat, with the right load. IE, not military fmj ammo.

It's not ethical shooting to hunt with something underpowered, the .223 is probably fine for smaller goats and pigs yet can be inadequate for larger ones.

With the M16 one of the thoughts was wounding someone would result in the enemy having to help that person which means more people are taken out of the battle with one shot than if they were killed outright.
Many Americans said this was a mistake and preferred the M1 Garand which killed them outright.

Perhaps Bobby should compare the 30-06 to .223 for energy

Hence my "right load" for the goats.

All countries militaries have moved on from the "battle rifle" round. We don't fight at that range any more. People are soft skinned game and don't need a 30-06 or even a .308 to take down. For interests sake, the .270 is a necked down 30-06 as the .243 is a necked down .308.

I would like a Barrett MRAD you swap barrels in 1 minute so you can go from .243/.260/7mm-08/.308, if you swap the bolt and barrel you can add .300 wim mag and 7mm rem mag. That would reduce the number of rifles I have from 3 to 1.

The bedwetters in Australia whinge about the number of guns people own yet don't allow us to have the MRAD because it has a folding stock. You can't really fire the MRAD with stock folded as it locks bolt handle into the stock.

A .243 at minimum loads shoots the same weight 55gr projectiles as the .223 about 400 feet per second faster, with full loads around 900 feet per second faster.

I haven't really kept up since Howard's attack on lawful firearm owners. The MRAD sounds like a great idea. One rifle many barrels/rounds.

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Re: MASS SHOOTING at Christchurch Mosque
Reply #409 - Mar 17^th, 2019 at 12:00am

Setanta wrote on Mar 16^th, 2019 at 11:19pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 16^th, 2019 at 11:12pm:

Setanta wrote on Mar 16^th, 2019 at 11:05pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 16^th, 2019 at 10:54pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 16^th, 2019 at 10:44pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 16^th, 2019 at 10:31pm:

The AR15 has a 16 inch barrel which means muzzle velocity will be much lower than what is quoted by wiki which gives velocity for 24 inch barrel.

The 16 inch barrel would lose around 200-300 feet per second muzzle velocity compared to 24 inch barrel.

The .223 Remington is not considered powerful enough for goat/pig /deer hunting.

Really?
You'd think if it would gun down humans so easily it would
easily shoot & kill quickly: goats, pigs or deer.

A .243 Winchester is considered minimum for pigs and goats with a .270 considered minimum for deer.

The soldiers in Vietnam whinged about the M16 being underpowered compared to the AK47. many of our soldiers preferred the L1A1 SLR which is .308/7.62 Nato over the M16.

The AK47 uses 7.62x39 ammo 7.62 Nato is 7.62x51, the 7.62 Nato has a 51mm case compared to 39mm for AK47 so it holds more powder meaning a bigger bang with more velocity and energy.

It should be made know the .243 is a necked down .308/7.62.

Yes you can make .243 brass from .308 cases.

The .260 rem and my favourite the 7mm-08 also come from the same parent case being the .308.

You can get Ar10 chambered in .308/7mm-08/.260 rem and .243 win, since they all come from the same case they use the same magazines. A 1 minute job to swap entire uppers allowing a quick calibre change.

Before Howard ficked things up I had a couple of things on my Chrissy list. This was one.
https://ruger.com/products/miniThirty/models.html

No Muslims in sight back then.

John Howard made a decisive decision. A decision which set the course for the country we live in today. You seem to criticise it yet not look at the success of such a decision. 1 mass shooting since 1996. Decrease in gun homicide. Decrease in gun suicides.

Muslims existed "back then". The immigration crisis has become enhanced in the last decade due to a plethora of political, economic and social factors.....

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Setanta

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Re: MASS SHOOTING at Christchurch Mosque
Reply #410 - Mar 17^th, 2019 at 12:07am

goldkam wrote on Mar 17^th, 2019 at 12:00am:

Setanta wrote on Mar 16^th, 2019 at 11:19pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 16^th, 2019 at 11:12pm:

Setanta wrote on Mar 16^th, 2019 at 11:05pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 16^th, 2019 at 10:54pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 16^th, 2019 at 10:44pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 16^th, 2019 at 10:31pm:

The AR15 has a 16 inch barrel which means muzzle velocity will be much lower than what is quoted by wiki which gives velocity for 24 inch barrel.

The 16 inch barrel would lose around 200-300 feet per second muzzle velocity compared to 24 inch barrel.

The .223 Remington is not considered powerful enough for goat/pig /deer hunting.

Really?
You'd think if it would gun down humans so easily it would
easily shoot & kill quickly: goats, pigs or deer.

A .243 Winchester is considered minimum for pigs and goats with a .270 considered minimum for deer.

The soldiers in Vietnam whinged about the M16 being underpowered compared to the AK47. many of our soldiers preferred the L1A1 SLR which is .308/7.62 Nato over the M16.

The AK47 uses 7.62x39 ammo 7.62 Nato is 7.62x51, the 7.62 Nato has a 51mm case compared to 39mm for AK47 so it holds more powder meaning a bigger bang with more velocity and energy.

It should be made know the .243 is a necked down .308/7.62.

Yes you can make .243 brass from .308 cases.

The .260 rem and my favourite the 7mm-08 also come from the same parent case being the .308.

You can get Ar10 chambered in .308/7mm-08/.260 rem and .243 win, since they all come from the same case they use the same magazines. A 1 minute job to swap entire uppers allowing a quick calibre change.

Before Howard ficked things up I had a couple of things on my Chrissy list. This was one.
https://ruger.com/products/miniThirty/models.html

No Muslims in sight back then.

John Howard made a decisive decision. A decision which set the course for the country we live in today. You seem to criticise it yet not look at the success of such a decision. 1 mass shooting since 1996. Decrease in gun homicide. Decrease in gun suicides.

Muslims existed "back then". The immigration crisis has become enhanced in the last decade due to a plethora of political, economic and social factors.....

Yeah, someone has bought the crazy.

There are more firearms in Australia now than then by a significant margin. It's even been bemoaned by the wet panties like you that we have more guns now.

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Setanta

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Re: MASS SHOOTING at Christchurch Mosque
Reply #411 - Mar 17^th, 2019 at 12:08am

mothra wrote on Mar 16^th, 2019 at 11:37pm:

Setanta wrote on Mar 16^th, 2019 at 11:31pm:

mothra wrote on Mar 16^th, 2019 at 11:29pm:

Setanta wrote on Mar 16^th, 2019 at 11:28pm:

mothra wrote on Mar 16^th, 2019 at 10:57pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Mar 16^th, 2019 at 9:40pm:

Wait one second, I am not here this often... but... is Jasin serious or he is jokingly boasting...? Huh

Who can tell? He's nuttier than squirrel poo.

More interestingly though, his comments are perfectly fine with management.

It seems yours are too. Weird, eh?

Mine aren't hate-speech inciting violence.

Did I say they were? I just was taking into consideration your comments are perfectly fine with "management".

So being pointlessly argumentative again?

I'll leave you to it.

Why not if you have nothing to add. Undecided

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Re: MASS SHOOTING at Christchurch Mosque
Reply #412 - Mar 17^th, 2019 at 12:12am

Setanta wrote on Mar 16^th, 2019 at 11:14pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 16^th, 2019 at 11:06pm:

Setanta wrote on Mar 16^th, 2019 at 10:56pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 16^th, 2019 at 10:44pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 16^th, 2019 at 10:31pm:

The AR15 has a 16 inch barrel which means muzzle velocity will be much lower than what is quoted by wiki which gives velocity for 24 inch barrel.

The 16 inch barrel would lose around 200-300 feet per second muzzle velocity compared to 24 inch barrel.

The .223 Remington is not considered powerful enough for goat/pig /deer hunting.

Really?
You'd think if it would gun down humans so easily it would
easily shoot & kill quickly: goats, pigs or deer.

You probably don't understand the criteria of how quick, painlessly and effectively it put's the animal down. I would consider it sufficient for goat, with the right load. IE, not military fmj ammo.

It's not ethical shooting to hunt with something underpowered, the .223 is probably fine for smaller goats and pigs yet can be inadequate for larger ones.

With the M16 one of the thoughts was wounding someone would result in the enemy having to help that person which means more people are taken out of the battle with one shot than if they were killed outright.
Many Americans said this was a mistake and preferred the M1 Garand which killed them outright.

Perhaps Bobby should compare the 30-06 to .223 for energy

Hence my "right load" for the goats.

All countries militaries have moved on from the "battle rifle" round. We don't fight at that range any more. People are soft skinned game and don't need a 30-06 or even a .308 to take down. For interests sake, the .270 is a necked down 30-06 as the .243 is a necked down .308.

So what would be your preferred weapon of choice for exterminating a dark-skinned crowd of them bowing down to pray, Setanta? You haven't said. A customised .270 necked down 30-06, say?

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Re: MASS SHOOTING at Christchurch Mosque
Reply #413 - Mar 17^th, 2019 at 12:15am

Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 17^th, 2019 at 12:12am:

Setanta wrote on Mar 16^th, 2019 at 11:14pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 16^th, 2019 at 11:06pm:

Setanta wrote on Mar 16^th, 2019 at 10:56pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 16^th, 2019 at 10:44pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 16^th, 2019 at 10:31pm:

The AR15 has a 16 inch barrel which means muzzle velocity will be much lower than what is quoted by wiki which gives velocity for 24 inch barrel.

The 16 inch barrel would lose around 200-300 feet per second muzzle velocity compared to 24 inch barrel.

The .223 Remington is not considered powerful enough for goat/pig /deer hunting.

Really?
You'd think if it would gun down humans so easily it would
easily shoot & kill quickly: goats, pigs or deer.

You probably don't understand the criteria of how quick, painlessly and effectively it put's the animal down. I would consider it sufficient for goat, with the right load. IE, not military fmj ammo.

It's not ethical shooting to hunt with something underpowered, the .223 is probably fine for smaller goats and pigs yet can be inadequate for larger ones.

With the M16 one of the thoughts was wounding someone would result in the enemy having to help that person which means more people are taken out of the battle with one shot than if they were killed outright.
Many Americans said this was a mistake and preferred the M1 Garand which killed them outright.

Perhaps Bobby should compare the 30-06 to .223 for energy

Hence my "right load" for the goats.

All countries militaries have moved on from the "battle rifle" round. We don't fight at that range any more. People are soft skinned game and don't need a 30-06 or even a .308 to take down. For interests sake, the .270 is a necked down 30-06 as the .243 is a necked down .308.

So what would be your preferred weapon of choice for exterminating a dark-skinned crowd of them bowing down to pray, Setanta? You haven't said. A customised .270 necked down 30-06, say?

Not into that K. If I was I'd probably just use explosives.

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Mattyfisk Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 92279 Gender:	Re: MASS SHOOTING at Christchurch Mosque Reply #414 - Mar 17^th, 2019 at 12:24am Well, that goes without saying, Setanta, but you'd need some infantry on the ground to take out any survivors. What weapons would you equip your men with? We're talking soft-skinned prey here, the dark variety, maybe a few hundred in the bigger centres.
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Re: MASS SHOOTING at Christchurch Mosque
Reply #415 - Mar 17^th, 2019 at 12:30am

Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 17^th, 2019 at 12:24am:

Well, that goes without saying, Setanta, but you'd need some infantry on the ground to take out any survivors.

What weapons would you equip your men with? We're talking soft-skinned prey here, the dark variety, maybe a few hundred in the bigger centres.

Why take out the wounded? Let them suffer for their faith, eh? It's the right thing to do. They make others suffer for their faith. The Catholics told me suffering makes your faith stronger. I'm sure all the god botherers work on a similar principle.

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Re: MASS SHOOTING at Christchurch Mosque
Reply #416 - Mar 17^th, 2019 at 12:47am

Setanta wrote on Mar 17^th, 2019 at 12:30am:

Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 17^th, 2019 at 12:24am:

Well, that goes without saying, Setanta, but you'd need some infantry on the ground to take out any survivors.

What weapons would you equip your men with? We're talking soft-skinned prey here, the dark variety, maybe a few hundred in the bigger centres.

Why take out the wounded? Let them suffer for their faith, eh? It's the right thing to do. They make others suffer for their faith. The Catholics told me suffering makes your faith stronger. I'm sure all the god botherers work on a similar principle.

Well, of course. There's 48 of them filling up the apologists' hospitals as we speak. That'll teach them to let types like this in.

But we're talking about taking down as many as possible. The wounded ones may still be able to breed more of them. We're talking about a cull here, it's bad form to leave any alive.

48 dead and 48 wounded. That's only a 50% kill ratio. Also, he had the explosives planted, but they failed to go off - you can never rely on them.

So what's your favoured weapon in this situation? The .235? .303?

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Re: MASS SHOOTING at Christchurch Mosque
Reply #417 - Mar 17^th, 2019 at 12:53am

Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 17^th, 2019 at 12:47am:

Setanta wrote on Mar 17^th, 2019 at 12:30am:

Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 17^th, 2019 at 12:24am:

Well, that goes without saying, Setanta, but you'd need some infantry on the ground to take out any survivors.

What weapons would you equip your men with? We're talking soft-skinned prey here, the dark variety, maybe a few hundred in the bigger centres.

Why take out the wounded? Let them suffer for their faith, eh? It's the right thing to do. They make others suffer for their faith. The Catholics told me suffering makes your faith stronger. I'm sure all the god botherers work on a similar principle.

Well, of course. There's 48 of them filling up the apologists' hospitals as we speak. That'll teach them to let types like this in.

But we're talking about taking down as many as possible. The wounded ones may still be able to breed more of them. We're talking about a cull here, it's bad form to leave any alive.

48 dead and 48 wounded. That's only a 50% kill ratio. Also, he had the explosives planted, but they failed to go off - you can never rely on them.

So what's your favoured weapon in this situation? The .235? .303?

Still explosives K. Rule .303 only works with the non-tinted sons of Mother. I guess we could have them neutered while under care in hospice so they cannot spread their vile cult teachings beyond the tinted kids they already have. I know it's not ideal but no final solution is.

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Mattyfisk Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 92279 Gender:	Re: MASS SHOOTING at Christchurch Mosque Reply #418 - Mar 17^th, 2019 at 1:26am Right. So just to clarify, what you're saying is: CARPETBOMB THEM. CESTERETE THEM. Do you think we should BAN THEM as well? These people are terrorists, right?
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Setanta Gold Member Offline \/ Peace man! Posts: 15914 Northern NSW Gender:	Re: MASS SHOOTING at Christchurch Mosque Reply #419 - Mar 17^th, 2019 at 1:28am Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 17^th, 2019 at 1:26am: Right. So just to clarify, what you're saying is: CARPETBOMB THEM. CESTERETE THEM. Do you think we should BAN THEM as well? These people are terrorists, right? So are these miscreants. Defenestrate them all!
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