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Reply #15 - Mar 15th, 2019 at 3:27pm
 
Pedro Curevo wrote on Mar 15th, 2019 at 8:46am:
The term “socialism” is very poorly defined. A lot of American conservatives label any government funded social programs or regulation of private industry as socialism. By that definition, all wealthy countries are both socialist and capitalist, including Switzerland and all the Scandinavian countries. It's just a question of how the two are balanced.



Capitalism is equally poorly defined.....
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Reply #16 - Mar 15th, 2019 at 3:29pm
 
cods wrote on Mar 15th, 2019 at 8:00am:
Spatchcock wrote on Mar 15th, 2019 at 6:44am:
I don't want to defend Venezuela but it is under sanctions and therefore restricted from being a part of the global market and trading with national economies that are.




you do realise   Venezuela was once the 4th richest country dont you with high GDP....Obama brought in sanctions in 2015...western countries dont do that lightly....

oil prices dropped  to the extent those in charge of the economy SOCIALIST   couldnt cope they didnt plan on that happening....their economy was ruined by mismanagement..and of course corruption...

the sanctions have escalated the place is now dire....my daughters motherinlaw has a sister there..been there about 40 odd years  there is almost no communication... and shes in poor health... so not good at all...


So how does anyone manage the economy well when faced with sanctions and falling income due to falling prices?  Would a Fascist government have done better under the same conditions?  Would a totally free range capitalist government have done any better?

I'm curious..
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Reply #17 - Mar 15th, 2019 at 3:34pm
 
Pure capitalism doesn't exist. Every nations economy lives on a spectrum.
Every economy has some degree of socialism or it wouldn't work
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Reply #18 - Mar 15th, 2019 at 5:16pm
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Mar 15th, 2019 at 3:34pm:
Pure capitalism doesn't exist. Every nations economy lives on a spectrum.
Every economy has some degree of socialism or it wouldn't work


Very true barnacle - succinctly put.
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Reply #19 - Mar 15th, 2019 at 6:17pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 15th, 2019 at 1:57pm:
The free market, entrepreneurship, private enterprise, whatever you want to call it, undeniably creates wealth for a society. This is a good thing and is to be welcomed and encouraged. However without government regulation, this wealth would go only to the business elites.


The 1%?

Where do you get this crap from Gandalf? Are you making it up on the spot?
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Reply #20 - Mar 15th, 2019 at 10:22pm
 
cods wrote on Mar 15th, 2019 at 8:00am:
Spatchcock wrote on Mar 15th, 2019 at 6:44am:
I don't want to defend Venezuela but it is under sanctions and therefore restricted from being a part of the global market and trading with national economies that are.




you do realise   Venezuela was once the 4th richest country dont you with high GDP....Obama brought in sanctions in 2015...western countries dont do that lightly....

oil prices dropped  to the extent those in charge of the economy SOCIALIST   couldnt cope they didnt plan on that happening....their economy was ruined by mismanagement..and of course corruption...

the sanctions have escalated the place is now dire....my daughters motherinlaw has a sister there..been there about 40 odd years  there is almost no communication... and shes in poor health... so not good at all...


You know it's possible the idea for sanctions against Venezuela was done by national security agencies in order to show the world that socialist policies don't work to prevent "electoral interference" of people talking about how socialism works and benefits all?

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Reply #21 - Mar 16th, 2019 at 10:08am
 
Spatchcock wrote on Mar 15th, 2019 at 10:22pm:
You know it's possible the idea for sanctions against Venezuela was done by national security agencies in order to show the world that socialist policies don't work to prevent "electoral interference" of people talking about how socialism works and benefits all?



so you agree that the sanctions were put in place to make Venezuela fail so that the capitalist can then say 'socialism doesn't work' ..... yes, I think that was Cods whole point from the beginning. Roll Eyes
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Reply #22 - Mar 16th, 2019 at 10:21am
 
John Smith wrote on Mar 16th, 2019 at 10:08am:
Spatchcock wrote on Mar 15th, 2019 at 10:22pm:
You know it's possible the idea for sanctions against Venezuela was done by national security agencies in order to show the world that socialist policies don't work to prevent "electoral interference" of people talking about how socialism works and benefits all?



so you agree that the sanctions were put in place to make Venezuela fail so that the capitalist can then say 'socialism doesn't work' ..... yes, I think that was Cods whole point from the beginning. Roll Eyes




oh dear and they were put in place by OBAMA   how does that work?.... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

does any lefty think the bum falling out of oil prices had anything at all to do with miss management by the socialist govt of Venezuela big fall into poverty?.. which happened well before OBAMA put  his sanctions into operation.


it was once the richest nation in latin Amerika...

it wasnt that long ago!

its so easy to read it up with mr google....

its got nothing to do with me..

its just facts..real facts....the people have nothing now...not even decent food or medication ...and whats maybe a lot worse... not much HOPE>
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Reply #23 - Mar 16th, 2019 at 10:31am
 
cods wrote on Mar 16th, 2019 at 10:21am:
oh dear and they were put in place by OBAMA   how does that work?.... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



if you think Obama was a socialist then you're a fool
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Reply #24 - Mar 19th, 2019 at 9:08am
 
John Smith wrote on Mar 16th, 2019 at 10:31am:
cods wrote on Mar 16th, 2019 at 10:21am:
oh dear and they were put in place by OBAMA   how does that work?.... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



if you think Obama was a socialist then you're a fool


If Gandalf can be a socialist, why not Obama? You are letting people like Marla with their quaint ideas define socialism.
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Reply #25 - Mar 20th, 2019 at 1:41pm
 
This video explains the different forms of Socialism:



This video explains the different Economic Schools of Thought:

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People accuse Capitalism of being a "dog eat dog" system, yet it was the Communists who ate each other when they were starving!
 
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Reply #26 - Mar 20th, 2019 at 2:02pm
 
freediver wrote on Mar 15th, 2019 at 6:17pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 15th, 2019 at 1:57pm:
The free market, entrepreneurship, private enterprise, whatever you want to call it, undeniably creates wealth for a society. This is a good thing and is to be welcomed and encouraged. However without government regulation, this wealth would go only to the business elites.


The 1%?

Where do you get this crap from Gandalf? Are you making it up on the spot?


FD, if there really was something you wanted me to explain, rather than simply hurl invectives, you could always try and construct a coherent question for me to answer.

That is *IF* you actually wanted to discuss this sensibly, rather than, you know, just hurl invectives for your own gratification.
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Reply #27 - Mar 20th, 2019 at 5:28pm
 
freediver wrote on Mar 19th, 2019 at 9:08am:
John Smith wrote on Mar 16th, 2019 at 10:31am:
cods wrote on Mar 16th, 2019 at 10:21am:
oh dear and they were put in place by OBAMA   how does that work?.... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



if you think Obama was a socialist then you're a fool


If Gandalf can be a socialist, why not Obama? You are letting people like Marla with their quaint ideas define socialism.


no, just as I'm not letting idiots like you define socialsim
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Reply #28 - Mar 20th, 2019 at 7:03pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 20th, 2019 at 2:02pm:
freediver wrote on Mar 15th, 2019 at 6:17pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 15th, 2019 at 1:57pm:
The free market, entrepreneurship, private enterprise, whatever you want to call it, undeniably creates wealth for a society. This is a good thing and is to be welcomed and encouraged. However without government regulation, this wealth would go only to the business elites.


The 1%?

Where do you get this crap from Gandalf? Are you making it up on the spot?


FD, if there really was something you wanted me to explain, rather than simply hurl invectives, you could always try and construct a coherent question for me to answer.

That is *IF* you actually wanted to discuss this sensibly, rather than, you know, just hurl invectives for your own gratification.


Can you explain where you get this crap from, or whether you just make it up?
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Reply #29 - Mar 21st, 2019 at 11:13am
 
ho hum, I tried...  Undecided
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