Australian Politics Forum - The March 15 Student Climate Strike

lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16397 Gender:	Re: The March 15 Student Climate Strike Reply #45 - Mar 17^th, 2019 at 9:28pm John Smith wrote on Mar 17^th, 2019 at 8:59pm: my 9 yr old has no problem giving you change for $20. Good for you. Mentally or does it need to be written down? John Smith wrote on Mar 17^th, 2019 at 8:59pm: Is this something your kids or grand kids struggle with? No petal. I trained them well.
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16397 Gender:	Re: The March 15 Student Climate Strike Reply #46 - Mar 17^th, 2019 at 9:31pm John Smith wrote on Mar 17^th, 2019 at 8:58pm: the point still stands you idiot. Really. How does one go on strike when retired?
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Reply #47 - Mar 17^th, 2019 at 11:18pm

lee wrote on Mar 17^th, 2019 at 8:48pm:

goldkam wrote on Mar 17^th, 2019 at 6:35pm:

Kids are not leaving school uneducated, illiterate and incapable of basic math and common sense.

So Australia's slide down the education rankings is a furphy then? Grin

Try getting them to give you change of $20 without using the till.

So in life Maths is the only measure of education, literacy or common sense??? A very narrowed minded view.
What a supportive person you are of the youth of this generation....

Read the links below for the facts....rather than perception.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/sievakozinsky/2017/07/24/how-generation-z-is-shaping-the-change-in-education/#454b84546520

https://www.theguardian.com/business/grogonomics/2018/apr/24/weve-broken-the-participation-record-but-were-not-all-winners

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Reply #48 - Mar 18^th, 2019 at 11:22am

goldkam wrote on Mar 17^th, 2019 at 11:18pm:

So in life Maths is the only measure of education, literacy or common sense???

No petal it is merely a part. So how about things like literacy, like there like not that like important, are they? /sarc

Common sense? Ask the little protester how much CO2 they breathe out? Or how much CO2 man adds to the atmosphere from fossil fuels, as a percentage. They probably won't know either.

That forbes piece is good. First though the students need good literacy.

Why is Australia moving down the education ladder? Failure to do STEM subjects. Science, English (literature), Maths.

And for the the kids at the protest most haven't reached "College" level yet.

And how will they go when those high tech gizmos run out. Because they can't be reliably produced from renewables apart from Hydro. And Australia is limited in that regard outside Eastern Australia.

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Prime Minister for Canyons Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26906 Canberra Gender:	Re: The March 15 Student Climate Strike Reply #49 - Mar 18^th, 2019 at 11:39am I'm guessin Lee would be fine if it was a protest about building more coal.
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Reply #50 - Mar 18^th, 2019 at 12:24pm

lee wrote on Mar 18^th, 2019 at 11:22am:

goldkam wrote on Mar 17^th, 2019 at 11:18pm:

So in life Maths is the only measure of education, literacy or common sense???

No petal it is merely a part. So how about things like literacy, like there like not that like important, are they? /sarc

Common sense? Ask the little protester how much CO2 they breathe out? Or how much CO2 man adds to the atmosphere from fossil fuels, as a percentage. They probably won't know either.

That forbes piece is good. First though the students need good literacy.

Why is Australia moving down the education ladder? Failure to do STEM subjects. Science, English (literature), Maths.

And for the the kids at the protest most haven't reached "College" level yet.

And how will they go when those high tech gizmos run out. Because they can't be reliably produced from renewables apart from Hydro. And Australia is limited in that regard outside Eastern Australia.

Your sarcasm in not appreciated nor humorous....that is correct it is merely a part.

Once again you are extremely narrowed minded, you seem to use all of these 'hypothetical' examples which are not representative of the entire population of younger Australians. Some probably would not understand or know those statistics and if you are fighting for a cause related to that they should have some understanding. However that doesn't mean you can blanket the entire statement over every young Australian. It's people like you who are part of the problem, a level of belief and encouragement would not go astray.

Forbes is spelt with a capital 'F'. They need "good literacy" doesn't imply they don't have good literacy. Can you not agree with that?

I don't disagree that the education systems has its flaw but it doesn't mean you can trash every young Australia and talk down to each and every one through stereotyping them as illiterate, uneducated etc.. Stop being part of the problem and help fix the problem.

Just to clarify as well....English literature is compulsory all through schooling Kindergarten to Year 12.

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Reply #51 - Mar 18^th, 2019 at 5:59pm

goldkam wrote on Mar 18^th, 2019 at 12:24pm:

Once again you are extremely narrowed minded, you seem to use all of these 'hypothetical' examples which are not representative of the entire population of younger Australians.

And nowhere did I say that it did.

goldkam wrote on Mar 18^th, 2019 at 12:24pm:

Some probably would not understand or know those statistics and if you are fighting for a cause related to that they should have some understanding.

But we keep being told these kids "know". Knowing the amount of CO2 one exhales is not statistics it is raw numbers. Knowing Man's contribution as a percentage is not statistics. Once again it is raw numbers. Statistics are about the likelihood of something
occurring, a completely different field. But even there you need to know the raw numbers.

goldkam wrote on Mar 18^th, 2019 at 12:24pm:

It's people like you who are part of the problem, a level of belief and encouragement would not go astray.

But they already "know". Wink

goldkam wrote on Mar 18^th, 2019 at 12:24pm:

Forbes is spelt with a capital 'F'.

Yes it is.

goldkam wrote on Mar 18^th, 2019 at 12:24pm:

They need "good literacy" doesn't imply they don't have good literacy. Can you not agree with that?

That seems reasonable on the face of it. The proof however is in the pudding. When trainee school teachers need remedial training, something seems amiss.

goldkam wrote on Mar 18^th, 2019 at 12:24pm:

Just to clarify as well....English literature is compulsory all through schooling Kindergarten to Year 12.

Yes. They could for a long time get a passing grade for content. My son was one such, he has had to redo that bit. His pages started with a capital letter and ended with a full stop. Bur the teachers thought that was fine.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 72209 Gender:	Re: The March 15 Student Climate Strike Reply #52 - Mar 18^th, 2019 at 6:02pm lee wrote on Mar 17^th, 2019 at 9:31pm: John Smith wrote on Mar 17^th, 2019 at 8:58pm: the point still stands you idiot. Really. How does one go on strike when retired? but that wasn't the point you moron
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16397 Gender:	Re: The March 15 Student Climate Strike Reply #53 - Mar 18^th, 2019 at 6:06pm John Smith wrote on Mar 18^th, 2019 at 6:02pm: but that wasn't the point you moron Oh You had a point?
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Reply #54 - Mar 18^th, 2019 at 7:49pm

lee wrote on Mar 18^th, 2019 at 5:59pm:

[quote author=goldkam link=1552552736/50#50 date=1552875878]Once again you are extremely narrowed minded, you seem to use all of these 'hypothetical' examples which are not representative of the entire population of younger Australians.

lee wrote on Mar 18^th, 2019 at 5:59pm:

And nowhere did I say that it did.

I never stated you did. I am putting forth a point that not all kids and in fact the vast majority of kids are not ranked under your hypothetical examples.

lee wrote on Mar 18^th, 2019 at 5:59pm:

But we keep being told these kids "know". Knowing the amount of CO2 one exhales is not statistics it is raw numbers. Knowing Man's contribution as a percentage is not statistics. Once again it is raw numbers. Statistics are about the likelihood of something
occurring, a completely different field. But even there you need to know the raw numbers.

I am not going to be given an accuracy lecture on the meaning of words. The collection of how much oxygen ones breaths out is a statistics. By definition statistics are "Statistics is a branch of mathematics dealing with data collection, organization, analysis, interpretation and presentation". They must conduct research, collect the data, consider anything that may distort the data etc which provides the raw number. It's not simply about pulling a raw number of out of thin air.

lee wrote on Mar 18^th, 2019 at 5:59pm:

Yes. They could for a long time get a passing grade for content. My son was one such, he has had to redo that bit. His pages started with a capital letter and ended with a full stop. Bur the teachers thought that was fine.

Some teachers lack the skills, experience and overall ability to teach. No denying that. But there are also a lot of fantastic, insightful and skilled teachers who have the experience. Thats life... you get the good and the bad.

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Reply #55 - Mar 18^th, 2019 at 8:00pm

goldkam wrote on Mar 18^th, 2019 at 7:49pm:

By definition statistics are "Statistics is a branch of mathematics dealing with data collection, organization, analysis, interpretation and presentation". They must conduct research, collect the data, consider anything that may distort the data etc which provides the raw number. It's not simply about pulling a raw number of out of thin air.

It is measured, it is averaged it is not statistics. Now of they went further and said the likelihood of all people exhaling 40,000 ppm was 97%, now that would be statistics.

goldkam wrote on Mar 18^th, 2019 at 7:49pm:

Some teachers lack the skills, experience and overall ability to teach. No denying that. But there are also a lot of fantastic, insightful and skilled teachers who have the experience. Thats life... you get the good and the bad.

Yep.

I notice you didn't query the remediation necessary for some trainee teachers. And that only happened after intervention. That they should get to uni and not have the basic requisite skills is appalling. I see in WA they are increasing the scores required for teaching degrees. About time too.

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Reply #56 - Mar 18^th, 2019 at 8:16pm

lee wrote on Mar 18^th, 2019 at 8:00pm:

[quote author=goldkam link=1552552736/54#54 date=1552902546] By definition statistics are "Statistics is a branch of mathematics dealing with data collection, organization, analysis, interpretation and presentation". They must conduct research, collect the data, consider anything that may distort the data etc which provides the raw number. It's not simply about pulling a raw number of out of thin air.

lee wrote on Mar 18^th, 2019 at 8:00pm:

It is measured, it is averaged it is not statistics. Now of they went further and said the likelihood of all people exhaling 40,000 ppm was 97%, now that would be statistics.

Can we agree that to gain the data a study/measurement must be undertaken?

goldkam wrote on Mar 18^th, 2019 at 7:49pm:

I notice you didn't query the remediation necessary for some trainee teachers. And that only happened after intervention. That they should get to uni and not have the basic requisite skills is appalling. I see in WA they are increasing the scores required for teaching degrees. About time too.

I don't have to address every single comment you make.There should be accountability and a set standard when it comes to the level of scores necessary to achieve the degree. However what you seem to ignore is that universities alter the requirements based on the demand. If there is not enough demand the score will lower...in other words if there are not enough teachers the score is lowered to attempt to encourage. Don't agree that this is the most efficient or effective more proactive strategies must be implemented however the actions are understandable. There are not enough teachers.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 72209 Gender:	Re: The March 15 Student Climate Strike Reply #57 - Mar 18^th, 2019 at 8:25pm lee wrote on Mar 18^th, 2019 at 6:06pm: John Smith wrote on Mar 18^th, 2019 at 6:02pm: but that wasn't the point you moron Oh You had a point? see, if you'd made it to year 9 at school you would have picked up on that long ago
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Reply #58 - Mar 18^th, 2019 at 8:52pm

goldkam wrote on Mar 18^th, 2019 at 8:16pm:

Can we agree that to gain the data a study/measurement must be undertaken?

of course except in the case of BoM they can Adjust the data using ACORN! and now ACORN2.

goldkam wrote on Mar 18^th, 2019 at 8:16pm:

However what you seem to ignore is that universities alter the requirements based on the demand. If there is not enough demand the score will lower...in other words if there are not enough teachers the score is lowered to attempt to encourage

They have the wrong hypothesis. You would think these uber educated folks would see the flaw in their reasoning. Lowered standards lead to lowered teacher knowledge which in turn leads to lowered teaching outcomes. And it is the kids that suffer.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16397 Gender:	Re: The March 15 Student Climate Strike Reply #59 - Mar 18^th, 2019 at 8:54pm Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 18^th, 2019 at 11:39am: I'm guessin Lee would be fine if it was a protest about building more coal. Yes. Guessing is about as good as you get. And that isn't anywhere near "good".
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