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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16415 Gender:	Re: Labor Prepares To Legislate A Living Wage Reply #15 - Mar 13^th, 2019 at 8:15pm Dnarever wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 8:14pm: They always worked under guidelines set in our the act, when something is flawed and failing it is time to fix the problems. Yes.
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philperth2010 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 19627 Perth Gender:	Re: Labor Prepares To Legislate A Living Wage Reply #16 - Mar 13^th, 2019 at 8:26pm Voters know who was responsible for cutting Sunday penalty rates for low paid workers....No amount of bullshit can change history!!! Quote: Turnbull government backs penalty-rate cuts for low paid workers https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/turnbull-government-backs-penaltyrate-cu...
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Re: Labor Prepares To Legislate A Living Wage
Reply #17 - Mar 13^th, 2019 at 8:59pm

philperth2010 wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 8:26pm:

Voters know who was responsible for cutting Sunday penalty rates for low paid workers....No amount of bullshit can change history!!!

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Turnbull government backs penalty-rate cuts for low paid workers

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/turnbull-government-backs-penaltyrate-cu...

So the Government backed the FWC decision? And if a future government backs an FWC decision?

You do understand the difference between an independent body making a decision and the government backing it and the government making the decision? Roll Eyes

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Reply #18 - Mar 13^th, 2019 at 9:20pm

The Government and business got what it wanted....Why are the Coalition and it's supporter trying to change history if they are so proud of their achievement....Talk about gutless wankers who refuse to own their dirty work???

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MALCOLM TURNBULL VOTED 8 TIMES TO CUT PENALTY RATES

8 TIMES MALCOLM TURNBULL MP VOTED AGAINST PROTECTING PENALTY RATES

4 December 2017, Malcolm Turnbull voted to cut penalty rates

On 20 June 2017, Malcolm Turnbull voted three times to cut penalty rates

On 13 June 2017, Malcolm Turnbull voted to cut penalty rates

On 11 May 2017, Malcolm Turnbull voted to cut penalty rates

On 2 March 2017, Malcolm Turnbull voted to cut penalty rates

On 27 February 2017, Malcolm Turnbull voted to cut penalty rates

https://www.penaltyratesrecord.com/wentworth

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Reply #19 - Mar 13^th, 2019 at 9:52pm

philperth2010 wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 9:20pm:

Why are the Coalition and it's supporter trying to change history if they are so proud of their achievement...

On the back of the Labor appointed FWC commissioners. Grin

poor petal.

Now Turnbull voted to cut penalty rates? And yet he couldn't do it, it was up to the FWC. Roll Eyes

So what exactly did Turnbull achieve? Shocked

or do you mean those staunch loyal Labor appointed Commissioners turned to jelly backs because Turnbull was so scary?

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Baronvonrort Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17491 Gender:	Re: Labor Prepares To Legislate A Living Wage Reply #20 - Mar 13^th, 2019 at 9:54pm Labor and the Leftists showing their economic illiteracy again. Nobel Prize winning economist Milton Friedman on minimum wages.
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Reply #21 - Mar 13^th, 2019 at 11:56pm

The Coalition could have opposed a cut to penalty rates instead of supporting the move....Trying to claim this had nothing to do with the Coalition is complete bullshit....The Coalition doing the bidding of their business masters and stacking the FWC....This rabble must go!!!

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Scott Morrison could have voted to stop these penalty rates cuts. He voted 8 times to back big business instead.

https://www.penaltyratesrecord.com/cook

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Reply #23 - Mar 14^th, 2019 at 11:35am

philperth2010 wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 11:56pm:

The Coalition could have opposed a cut to penalty rates instead of supporting the move.

And the FWC being an independent body could have ignored it. Wink

philperth2010 wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 11:56pm:

Trying to claim this had nothing to do with the Coalition is complete bullshit..

You would have to show that they coerced those brave and true Labor appointees, who immediately turned into jelly backs.

philperth2010 wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 11:56pm:

The Coalition doing the bidding of their business masters and stacking the FWC.

Like Labor did when they were in power? Oh the inhumanity. But you haven't shown what this "stacked" FWC has done. Wink

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Reply #24 - Mar 14^th, 2019 at 4:15pm

There is a clear choice at the next election....A vote for the Coalition is a vote to keep wages low and guarantee they do nothing as they do not see stagnant wage growth as their problem or that they have any responsibility to go against the wishes of their Corporate masters....A vote for Labor is a vote for wage growth and a living wage....The Coalition have already admitted they cannot do anything because they have no influence over the FWC and their submissions mean nothing, they are worthless....A vote for Labor is a vote for the Party who can do something about stagnant wage growth....This rabble must go!!!

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Reply #25 - Mar 14^th, 2019 at 5:37pm

philperth2010 wrote on Mar 14^th, 2019 at 4:15pm:

There is a clear choice at the next election....A vote for the Coalition is a vote to keep wages low and guarantee they do nothing as they do not see stagnant wage growth as their problem or that they have any responsibility to go against the wishes of their Corporate masters....A vote for Labor is a vote for wage growth and a living wage....The Coalition have already admitted they cannot do anything because they have no influence over the FWC and their submissions mean nothing, they are worthless....A vote for Labor is a vote for the Party who can do something about stagnant wage growth....This rabble must go!!!

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Reply #26 - Mar 14^th, 2019 at 5:43pm

Frank wrote on Mar 14^th, 2019 at 5:37pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Mar 14^th, 2019 at 4:15pm:

There is a clear choice at the next election....A vote for the Coalition is a vote to keep wages low and guarantee they do nothing as they do not see stagnant wage growth as their problem or that they have any responsibility to go against the wishes of their Corporate masters....A vote for Labor is a vote for wage growth and a living wage....The Coalition have already admitted they cannot do anything because they have no influence over the FWC and their submissions mean nothing, they are worthless....A vote for Labor is a vote for the Party who can do something about stagnant wage growth....This rabble must go!!!

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Labor.

If Labor had remained in power Hawke would have been correct....However the Howard Government made sure poverty was built into the system....A vote for the Coalition is a vote for poverty unless you have already exploited workers to build your wealth!!!

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Reply #27 - Mar 14^th, 2019 at 6:04pm

philperth2010 wrote on Mar 14^th, 2019 at 4:15pm:

The Coalition have already admitted they cannot do anything because they have no influence over the FWC and their submissions mean nothing, they are worthless.

And so based on that - Labor is proposing to emasculate the independent umpire. Because that is the only way they can control the independent umpire.

Tell us what happens when Labor, should they be elected, eventually lose government. That would mean the Coalition would have unfettered access to determine wages. Do Labor ever think beyond the near term? Wink

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Reply #28 - Mar 14^th, 2019 at 6:34pm

lee wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 8:59pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 8:26pm:

Voters know who was responsible for cutting Sunday penalty rates for low paid workers....No amount of bullshit can change history!!!

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Turnbull government backs penalty-rate cuts for low paid workers

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/turnbull-government-backs-penaltyrate-cu...

So the Government backed the FWC decision? And if a future government backs an FWC decision?

You do understand the difference between an independent body making a decision and the government backing it and the government making the decision? Roll Eyes

The government was pushing for penalty rate changes from the day they came into office. There were not a disinterested observer to the process. They were pushing the business community advising them and having quiet discussions with the commission.

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Auggie Gold Member Offline The Bull Moose Posts: 8571	Re: Labor Prepares To Legislate A Living Wage Reply #29 - Mar 14^th, 2019 at 6:36pm lee wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 6:41pm: whiteknight wrote on Mar 13^th, 2019 at 6:30pm: Labor prepares to legislate a 'living wage' by changing the Fair Work Act So the independent FWC will no longer be truly independent? Having to abide by what Parliament decides. Because that what Parliament does.
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