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Mar 12th, 2019 at 11:42pm
 
The media and politicians tell us China is bad, and America is good.

China tells us they are not bad and violating human rights.

Why do we need to believe the Australian government again?

Last time they did electoral interference on us to vote to invade Iraq and then we find out they lied on purpose and put the blood of innocent children on our conscience, not as collateral damage but as a lie for hegemony.

Why should we trust them now? Why should we swallow their propaganda and electoral interference and talk about how bad China is and demonize China?

Why should we not, as responsible Australian citizens, oppose EVERYTHING that is international relations as espoused by the national security people?

They lied about Iraq. They admit it now. The electoral interfered us and killed a whole bunch of innocents in that game of Devil worship.

So why do we now need to invoke evil spirits to spread demonized energy surrounding China?

How can we trust them? Look at the poison we are surrounded with by them. We are talking about innocent lives here being destroyed due to the spread of their evil power maintenance.

So why should we trust them now?
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Reply #1 - Mar 12th, 2019 at 11:57pm
 
China is a boring and uninteresting nation. The people are binary, full of ones and zeroes.
The art of war is the rhetoric that they live by. Out of the billions and billions of those clones, they have not produced anything remotely interesting.
The great boring wall sums them up.
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Reply #2 - Mar 13th, 2019 at 6:30am
 
i think i saw that china is out performing india on most economic parameters by a factor of about 12.
thats infrastructure, health care spending, education spending.

this is not really a good endorsement for democracy as india , being democratic was always expected to have an edge.

indeed, many developing countries which traditionally looked to the west as an role model, would now see brexit, trump, germany under merkel, france under macron as anything but good role models.

the chinese "one belt one road" model would seem far more attractive.

trump has gotten a lot of flak for taking on china.

probably a bit unfair.

china will have to be taken on at some stage and its surely better to try to extract a deal now then wait 10 years when china will be much much stronger , will have the worlds biggest military and will be the worlds dominant economy
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Reply #3 - Mar 13th, 2019 at 7:46am
 
Spatchcock wrote on Mar 12th, 2019 at 11:42pm:
The media and politicians tell us China is bad, and America is good.

China tells us they are not bad and violating human rights.

Why do we need to believe the Australian government again?

Last time they did electoral interference on us to vote to invade Iraq and then we find out they lied on purpose and put the blood of innocent children on our conscience, not as collateral damage but as a lie for hegemony.

Why should we trust them now? Why should we swallow their propaganda and electoral interference and talk about how bad China is and demonize China?

Why should we not, as responsible Australian citizens, oppose EVERYTHING that is international relations as espoused by the national security people?

They lied about Iraq. They admit it now. The electoral interfered us and killed a whole bunch of innocents in that game of Devil worship.

So why do we now need to invoke evil spirits to spread demonized energy surrounding China?

How can we trust them? Look at the poison we are surrounded with by them. We are talking about innocent lives here being destroyed due to the spread of their evil power maintenance.

So why should we trust them now?


Spatch, your assessment is overly simplistic. The people who lied about Iraq, have not admitted it. In fact, they claim the US military should have stayed on, and the rise of ISIS was the result of withdrawing.

Hegemony was not the intention of the Bush administration. immediately after 911. The Bush administration needed to look tough, and Saddam was an easy target. THis also protected their longtime friends in Saud Arabia.

The most prominent and respected media platforms like the BBC, and The Guardian, espouse a journalism highly critical of US policy.

Why should we trust them over China? The answer is, we don't. A great percentage of Americans and Australians were not taken in by the Bush admin's claims about Saddam being behind 911 or the WMD.

But when we look at the US and China, we see one has a government legally open to criticism, with regular elections that can change policy. It is not perfect, but the other is a police state, with a static ideological dictatorship and media censorship.

Anyone who trusts China is extremely gullible. Demonising America for its failings, will not make the world a better place.


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Reply #4 - Mar 13th, 2019 at 7:55am
 
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this is not really a good endorsement for democracy as india , being democratic was always expected to have an edge


China's one-child policy is having a huge impact. While we fret about our aging population "crisis", they are reaping the economic benefits of a sustainable population.

China is also rapidly liberalising their economy. If you want to see rapid economic benefits, that is the place to start. However it makes political instability almost inevitable. Freedom is a package deal.
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Reply #5 - Mar 13th, 2019 at 9:49am
 

There are a ton of 'China' videos on Youtube and they're interesting

Westerners prowl through China's supposed ghost-cities quite often, as they're assured click-bait and there's strong interest by those in the West, who're suffering housing issues.  How come all those massive, newly constructed Chinese cities are empty, they ask

Occasionally, in the comments, you'll hear from those who say the 'ghost cities' of a few years ago are now fully occupied.  That disappoints many in the West, who want to believe in a collapsing Chinese housing situation.  But instead, it points to forward planning on the part of China

another interesting aspect of the Chinese forward planning is the underground cities beneath those massive, newly constructed cities.  The underground cities are to provide shelter in the event of war

where are Australia's underground cities?  Where will Aussies go when the poo goes down?  Oh that's right .. Aussie governments don't give a rats about Aussies, although pollies are well-catered for in Canberra's pollie-only underground facilities and most likely there are luxuriously-fitted safe-spaces for pollies and the 'elite' in every Australian city and large regional centre

China's providing hundreds of new aged care facilities for its elderly and into the future.  The joke is, Aussie aged-care companies are trying to get in on the Chinese aged-care market -- same Aussie aged-care ghouls who routinely torture, starve and kill Aussie elderly


Anyone who's even half listening could not help but admire the way China is approaching things across the board

and that's reason for cheer, because China basically owns Australia now and it can't be far from the time when China repossesses Australia and cleans it up

which means only Aborigines who can be conclusively shown to be at a minimum 51% Aboriginal, will get a cent.  Those Aborigines who pass muster will be despatched to reeducation centres.  Same with muslims.  Migrants will dwindle at rapid rate and those who do get through will be dispersed to work camps in the outback

housing will become readily available and affordable

drunks, druggies and assorted crims will clean up fast or face the consequences

unemployment will be mostly eradicated when Chinese factories are set-up in Oz

those unwilling to work will be put behind a straw broom eight hours a day at least, to keep the new Chinese cities clean


lot's of win-win

quick trials and crims executed fast, their organs stuck in a party-member's cousin before the end of the work day -- and no argy bargy from the wailing liberals (who will have to return their ideaology and cheap-noodle-pay-outs to Soros or find themselves a place  to whine on Pitcairn Island)


not to mention the disappearance of Australia's current squad of leering pollies. They'll be gone as will their claws in the cash register

and if the drones want a new iPad, they'll need to sell a kidney or two

A Chinese take-over just gets more attractive the more you think about it
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Reply #6 - Mar 13th, 2019 at 10:12am
 
quite a lot there PZ and some of it is indeed possible.

i have some chinese friends who i socialise with.

you dont need to teach these blokes the principles that Tony Robbins would teach to a western audience.

its in their DNA.

they simply vibe together and the topic of conversation is always about how to raise a profit and build a legacy.

they dont think like an aussie about negatively gearing one investment home.

they think about building a block of 30 units with money from other chinese self managed super funds and flipping it to make instant millions.

i actually feel like a chode in their presence

i admire them greatly but i cant keep up and my western friends just think they are greedy and stomping on other peoples heads  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes.

thats the irony.

they arent

they just took action and i didnt.

if i was to feel resentment towards them , it would be the same sort of butt hurt resentment that whiteknight or bam would feel towards me.

but they play life at a different paradigm.

i'm not sure it makes them happy but it IS a phenomenom that is going to roll over all opposition.
of that i am quite certain  Wink
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Reply #7 - Mar 13th, 2019 at 2:07pm
 
issuevoter wrote on Mar 13th, 2019 at 7:46am:
Spatchcock wrote on Mar 12th, 2019 at 11:42pm:
The media and politicians tell us China is bad, and America is good.

China tells us they are not bad and violating human rights.

Why do we need to believe the Australian government again?

Last time they did electoral interference on us to vote to invade Iraq and then we find out they lied on purpose and put the blood of innocent children on our conscience, not as collateral damage but as a lie for hegemony.

Why should we trust them now? Why should we swallow their propaganda and electoral interference and talk about how bad China is and demonize China?

Why should we not, as responsible Australian citizens, oppose EVERYTHING that is international relations as espoused by the national security people?

They lied about Iraq. They admit it now. The electoral interfered us and killed a whole bunch of innocents in that game of Devil worship.

So why do we now need to invoke evil spirits to spread demonized energy surrounding China?

How can we trust them? Look at the poison we are surrounded with by them. We are talking about innocent lives here being destroyed due to the spread of their evil power maintenance.

So why should we trust them now?


Spatch, your assessment is overly simplistic. The people who lied about Iraq, have not admitted it. In fact, they claim the US military should have stayed on, and the rise of ISIS was the result of withdrawing.

Hegemony was not the intention of the Bush administration. immediately after 911. The Bush administration needed to look tough, and Saddam was an easy target. THis also protected their longtime friends in Saud Arabia.

The most prominent and respected media platforms like the BBC, and The Guardian, espouse a journalism highly critical of US policy.

Why should we trust them over China? The answer is, we don't. A great percentage of Americans and Australians were not taken in by the Bush admin's claims about Saddam being behind 911 or the WMD.

But when we look at the US and China, we see one has a government legally open to criticism, with regular elections that can change policy. It is not perfect, but the other is a police state, with a static ideological dictatorship and media censorship.

Anyone who trusts China is extremely gullible. Demonising America for its failings, will not make the world a better place.




George W. Bush's CIA briefer admits Iraq WMD "intelligence" was a lie

https://www.salon.com/2015/05/20/george_w_bushs_cia_briefer_admits_iraq_wmd_inte...

Looks like it was a lie. Looks like a political bloc that was not America centric had to go. Looks like hegemony.
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Reply #8 - Mar 20th, 2019 at 10:00pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Mar 13th, 2019 at 6:30am:
i think i saw that china is out performing india on most economic parameters by a factor of about 12.
thats infrastructure, health care spending, education spending.

this is not really a good endorsement for democracy as india , being democratic was always expected to have an edge.

indeed, many developing countries which traditionally looked to the west as an role model, would now see brexit, trump, germany under merkel, france under macron as anything but good role models.

the chinese "one belt one road" model would seem far more attractive.

trump has gotten a lot of flak for taking on china.

probably a bit unfair.

china will have to be taken on at some stage and its surely better to try to extract a deal now then wait 10 years when china will be much much stronger , will have the worlds biggest military and will be the worlds dominant economy


What's your source, dear? We'll have a little look-see.
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Reply #9 - Mar 20th, 2019 at 10:16pm
 
freediver wrote on Mar 13th, 2019 at 7:55am:
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this is not really a good endorsement for democracy as india , being democratic was always expected to have an edge


China's one-child policy is having a huge impact. While we fret about our aging population "crisis", they are reaping the economic benefits of a sustainable population.

China is also rapidly liberalising their economy. If you want to see rapid economic benefits, that is the place to start. However it makes political instability almost inevitable. Freedom is a package deal.


China no longer has a one-child policy, FD. It's now staring at an ageing population, declining from 2030 on, along with with the predicted decline in economic growth - throughout the world.

China is now considering ways to expand its population, but we're curious. What do you mean by liberalising the Chinese economy? Apart from a vague ideal of raising consumer spending through wage growth, there are no Chinese policies to liberalise anything.

Do you know something we don't? What do you mean by a package deal? What do you mean by freedom?

Cheers.
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