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Mar 11th, 2019 at 12:33pm
 
This is the second crash in similar circumstances and now Boeing is under suspicion.

Is there a connection to MH370?

Is the US deep state protecting Boeing?

Boeing 737s should be grounded until it can be proven they are safe to fly.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-03-10/ethiopian-crash-throws-spo...

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Ethiopian Crash Throws the Spotlight Back on Boeing
It’s too soon to say what caused Sunday’s disaster or whether it was similar to the Lion Air crash. But passengers and airlines need answers quickly.

By Chris Bryant
March 11, 2019, 2:35 AM GMT+7

That the two crashes of a new aircraft -- the Boeing 737 Max -- happened so closely together, adds to the urgency in finding out what happened.

These are worrying hours for Boeing Co. – and tragic ones for 157 families. The second crash of a 737 Max jet in five months raises inevitable questions about the safety of the U.S. manufacturer’s flagship single-aisle aircraft, even though it’s still not known what caused the latest disaster. The company must respond with total transparency and hope there was nothing it could have done to have avoided Sunday’s crash in Ethiopia.

We don’t know whether what happened to the Ethiopian Airways plane was the same thing that brought down a Lion Air jet in October and a rush to judgment helps nobody, including the people who’ve lost their lives and their loved ones.

Superficially, there are similarities: Both jets were almost brand new, both experienced difficulties shortly after takeoff and asked to return to the airport. But the details are absolutely crucial here.

In the wake of the Lion Air crash in Indonesia, it emerged that the 737 Max contains software that forces the plane’s nose down in certain circumstances to prevent it stalling. Some pilots weren’t aware of the safety system and felt they should have been told. The New York Times reported that the manufacturer wanted to keep additional pilot training to a minimum (the 737 Max competes with Airbus SE’s 320neo).

Boeing insisted, however, that all pilots know how to override the plane’s automated systems. In view of the Lion Air disaster, it would be surprising if the Ethiopian Airways pilot was unaware of this procedure. So it’s quite possible the causes of these two crashes are unrelated.

Until there is clarity about the circumstances of the latest disaster, though, some passengers will naturally be anxious about flying on the aircraft. Airline owners of the 737 Max, which include Southwest Airlines Co. and American Airlines Group Inc., are monitoring the investigation closely. That the two crashes of a new model of aircraft happened so closely together will add to the sense of urgency. ...
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Re: Ethiopia air crash: Boeing 737 a flying coffin
Reply #1 - Mar 11th, 2019 at 9:39pm
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on Mar 11th, 2019 at 12:33pm:
This is the second crash in similar circumstances and now Boeing is under suspicion.

Is there a connection to MH370?

Is the US deep state protecting Boeing?

Boeing 737s should be grounded until it can be proven they are safe to fly.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-03-10/ethiopian-crash-throws-spo...

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Ethiopian Crash Throws the Spotlight Back on Boeing
It’s too soon to say what caused Sunday’s disaster or whether it was similar to the Lion Air crash. But passengers and airlines need answers quickly.

By Chris Bryant
March 11, 2019, 2:35 AM GMT+7

That the two crashes of a new aircraft -- the Boeing 737 Max -- happened so closely together, adds to the urgency in finding out what happened.

These are worrying hours for Boeing Co. – and tragic ones for 157 families. The second crash of a 737 Max jet in five months raises inevitable questions about the safety of the U.S. manufacturer’s flagship single-aisle aircraft, even though it’s still not known what caused the latest disaster. The company must respond with total transparency and hope there was nothing it could have done to have avoided Sunday’s crash in Ethiopia.

We don’t know whether what happened to the Ethiopian Airways plane was the same thing that brought down a Lion Air jet in October and a rush to judgment helps nobody, including the people who’ve lost their lives and their loved ones.

Superficially, there are similarities: Both jets were almost brand new, both experienced difficulties shortly after takeoff and asked to return to the airport. But the details are absolutely crucial here.

In the wake of the Lion Air crash in Indonesia, it emerged that the 737 Max contains software that forces the plane’s nose down in certain circumstances to prevent it stalling. Some pilots weren’t aware of the safety system and felt they should have been told. The New York Times reported that the manufacturer wanted to keep additional pilot training to a minimum (the 737 Max competes with Airbus SE’s 320neo).

Boeing insisted, however, that all pilots know how to override the plane’s automated systems. In view of the Lion Air disaster, it would be surprising if the Ethiopian Airways pilot was unaware of this procedure. So it’s quite possible the causes of these two crashes are unrelated.

Until there is clarity about the circumstances of the latest disaster, though, some passengers will naturally be anxious about flying on the aircraft. Airline owners of the 737 Max, which include Southwest Airlines Co. and American Airlines Group Inc., are monitoring the investigation closely. That the two crashes of a new model of aircraft happened so closely together will add to the sense of urgency. ...


Read the highlighted lines again. We can bet Boeing is taking this very seriously. No one wants to risk air disasters except the religious fanatics and the whackos you usually support. You are getting hysterical and anti-American, anti-white people, all over again.
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Reply #2 - Mar 11th, 2019 at 9:49pm
 
Dear Issue Voter, could you consider me anti-death?
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Reply #3 - Mar 11th, 2019 at 11:51pm
 
Reminds me of the  de Havilland DH 106 Comet. Three broke up before they figured out what the problem was.

My bet is that the software fault that places the aircraft into a dive is the problem.

This aircraft is dangerous and should be grounded until all faults in the software are fixed.

Of course, money talks and the airlines "need" these planes to be in the air. Boeing and the airlines are murderous scum and will continue until public pressure becomes unbearable.

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Reply #4 - Mar 12th, 2019 at 5:32am
 
What would you do if you had a flight booked on a 737 tomorrow? I'd think twice. But this is Boeing, not a Chinese manufacturer. Pilots around the world have always said, "If it's not Boeing, I'm not going." Like I said in another thread, there is a system in place that ensures air travel gets safer after each crash.
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Reply #5 - Mar 12th, 2019 at 5:39am
 
Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 11th, 2019 at 11:51pm:
Reminds me of the  de Havilland DH 106 Comet. Three broke up before they figured out what the problem was.

My bet is that the software fault that places the aircraft into a dive is the problem.

This aircraft is dangerous and should be grounded until all faults in the software are fixed.

Of course, money talks and the airlines "need" these planes to be in the air. Boeing and the airlines are murderous scum and will continue until public pressure becomes unbearable.




They need to be grounded till they find out what happened.
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Reply #6 - Mar 12th, 2019 at 9:28am
 
Bobby. wrote on Mar 12th, 2019 at 5:39am:
Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 11th, 2019 at 11:51pm:
Reminds me of the  de Havilland DH 106 Comet. Three broke up before they figured out what the problem was.

My bet is that the software fault that places the aircraft into a dive is the problem.

This aircraft is dangerous and should be grounded until all faults in the software are fixed.

Of course, money talks and the airlines "need" these planes to be in the air. Boeing and the airlines are murderous scum and will continue until public pressure becomes unbearable.




They need to be grounded till they find out what happened.


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Reply #7 - Mar 12th, 2019 at 9:46am
 
AiA wrote on Mar 12th, 2019 at 5:32am:
What would you do if you had a flight booked on a 737 tomorrow? I'd think twice. But this is Boeing, not a Chinese manufacturer. Pilots around the world have always said, "If it's not Boeing, I'm not going." Like I said in another thread, there is a system in place that ensures air travel gets safer after each crash.


The system is called 'funerals'.
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Reply #8 - Mar 12th, 2019 at 10:12am
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on Mar 11th, 2019 at 12:33pm:
Is there a connection to MH370?



I doubt it since Flight MH370 was a Boeing 777 not a 737 and I'm sure any flight control issues with the 777 would have been found and hopefully corrected in the 5 years since MH370 disappeared.

The Boeing 737 has been a very reliable aircraft since it was introduced in the late 1960's. The main problem (until now) was with rudder issues which were eventually found and fixed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_737_rudder_issues

But, after 2 very similar crashes in 5 months, I think these new 737 MAX aircraft should be grounded worldwide until the cause is found and corrected.


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Reply #9 - Mar 12th, 2019 at 10:32am
 
Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 11th, 2019 at 11:51pm:
Reminds me of the  de Havilland DH 106 Comet. Three broke up before they figured out what the problem was.

My bet is that the software fault that places the aircraft into a dive is the problem.

This aircraft is dangerous and should be grounded until all faults in the software are fixed.

Of course, money talks and the airlines "need" these planes to be in the air. Boeing and the airlines are murderous scum and will continue until public pressure becomes unbearable.




they do go to remarkable lengths to find the cause of the crashes nemo and that can take a long time....I have noticed fewer and fewer air crashes....we always seemed to get one before Xmas....look at trains and buses   they also crash and kill many people...... Air Safety I think is one of the best and most stringent

its isnt perfect but then neither are we...
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Reply #10 - Mar 12th, 2019 at 10:56am
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on Mar 12th, 2019 at 9:46am:
AiA wrote on Mar 12th, 2019 at 5:32am:
What would you do if you had a flight booked on a 737 tomorrow? I'd think twice. But this is Boeing, not a Chinese manufacturer. Pilots around the world have always said, "If it's not Boeing, I'm not going." Like I said in another thread, there is a system in place that ensures air travel gets safer after each crash.


The system is called 'funerals'.



They were all cremated weren't they ?
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Reply #11 - Mar 12th, 2019 at 11:00am
 
cods wrote on Mar 12th, 2019 at 10:32am:
Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 11th, 2019 at 11:51pm:
Reminds me of the  de Havilland DH 106 Comet. Three broke up before they figured out what the problem was.

My bet is that the software fault that places the aircraft into a dive is the problem.

This aircraft is dangerous and should be grounded until all faults in the software are fixed.

Of course, money talks and the airlines "need" these planes to be in the air. Boeing and the airlines are murderous scum and will continue until public pressure becomes unbearable.




they do go to remarkable lengths to find the cause of the crashes nemo and that can take a long time....I have noticed fewer and fewer air crashes....we always seemed to get one before Xmas....look at trains and buses   they also crash and kill many people...... Air Safety I think is one of the best and most stringent

its isnt perfect but then neither are we...



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Reply #12 - Mar 12th, 2019 at 11:45am
 
In my opinion, the FAA should go further and demand that all Max 8s be grounded until the changes are done.  Angry





The US air regulator told international carriers on Monday that the Boeing 737 Max 8 was airworthy, but said it will mandate forthcoming design changes to the aircraft from Boeing by April.

The new model of aircraft has been involved in two fatal crashes since October, and airlines using the short-haul passenger jet have been inundated with questions from concerned passengers since Sunday, when an Ethiopian Airlines 737 Max 8 crashed and all 157 people onboard died.

The announcement came as one of Brazil’s biggest airlines, GOL, said it would temporarily ground its seven Max 8 jets, and Aeroméxico suspended use of its six aircraft, echoing a similar move by China, Cayman Airways and African carrier Comair. Argentina’s Association of Airline Pilots too has ordered its members not to fly the Max series. GOL said it had confidence in Boeing and that its Max 8 aircraft had made 2,933 flights, totalling more than 12,700 hours, “in total safety and efficiency”.



In a notice, the Federal Aviation Administration said it planned to require design changes by Boeing no later than April. Boeing is working to complete “flight control system enhancements, which provide reduced reliance on procedures associated with required pilot memory items”, the FAA said.

The FAA also said Boeing “plans to update training requirements and flight crew manuals to go with the design change” to an automated protection system called the Maneuvering Characteristics Augmentation System or MCAS. The changes also include MCAS activation and angle of attack signal enhancements.


The FAA said in the notice that external reports were drawing similarities between the crash in Ethiopia and the earlier fatal crash off the coast of Indonesia that killed all 189 onboard.

Like the previous accident, which involved a Lion Air flight that crashed 13 minutes after takeoff, pilots had reported problems with the plane and requested permission to make an emergency landing before losing contact with ground control.''



https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/11/airlines-and-agencies-reassure-ala...


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Gotta love this "sanitized" wording!!!!

"possible impact with terrain" ...  Roll Eyes

Ya mean CRASH?




In the wake of the October crash the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) issued an emergency directive concerning erroneous readings from an "angle of attack" sensor that might lead to "repeated nose-down trim commands".

"This condition, if not addressed, could cause the flight crew to have difficulty controlling the airplane, and lead to excessive nose-down attitude, significant altitude loss, and possible impact with terrain," the airworthiness directive read.



Read more: http://www.traveller.com.au/the-shorthaul-jet-of-the-future-what-is-the-boeing-737-max-and-which-airlines-are-flying-it-and-is-it-safe-h1c9zu#ixzz5hv3Z1Bkc
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Reply #13 - Mar 12th, 2019 at 12:39pm
 
All 737's should be grounded until a formal investigation is carried out

I hope American investigators carry out the investigation
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Reply #14 - Mar 12th, 2019 at 12:45pm
 
red baron wrote on Mar 12th, 2019 at 12:39pm:
All 737's should be grounded until a formal investigation is carried out

I hope American investigators carry out the investigation


Huh?   Would it not be better that Australian or European investigators look into what happened with an American plane?
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Reply #15 - Mar 12th, 2019 at 1:28pm
 
Carl D wrote on Mar 12th, 2019 at 10:12am:
Laugh till you cry wrote on Mar 11th, 2019 at 12:33pm:
Is there a connection to MH370?



I doubt it since Flight MH370 was a Boeing 777 not a 737 and I'm sure any flight control issues with the 777 would have been found and hopefully corrected in the 5 years since MH370 disappeared.

The Boeing 737 has been a very reliable aircraft since it was introduced in the late 1960's. The main problem (until now) was with rudder issues which were eventually found and fixed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_737_rudder_issues

But, after 2 very similar crashes in 5 months, I think these new 737 MAX aircraft should be grounded worldwide until the cause is found and corrected.


The question is whether Boeing are implanting software into their aircraft which owners are unaware of.

In the case of MH370, there is still a suspicion that the aircraft may have been subject to loss of pilot control to unauthorized remote control which would also have allowed a 'soft' crash in the sea so that little wreckage was created.

Aircraft owners have no knowledge of what software Boeing is implanting in their aircraft. I doubt that the FAA has detailed knowledge or even cares.

There was speculation that the 9/11 aircraft were under remote control because trainee pilots could not have performed the maneuvers the aircraft were reported to have performed.

If there is indeed a deep state in the USA there are bound to be out-of-control rogues in that environment.
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Reply #16 - Mar 12th, 2019 at 3:13pm
 
At the very least, the Boeing 737 Max is aerodynamically unstable in its design requiring software to compensate for the aerodynamic problems caused by larger engines and their mounting positions.

It probably wouldn't fly without the software or without pilot compensation for the aerodynamic problems.
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Only one passenger was saved as he is 2-minutes late for his flight.
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bellamor wrote on Mar 12th, 2019 at 3:48pm:
Only one passenger was saved as he is 2-minutes late for his flight.


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JollyGreenGiant wrote on Mar 12th, 2019 at 4:11pm:
bellamor wrote on Mar 12th, 2019 at 3:48pm:
Only one passenger was saved as he is 2-minutes late for his flight.


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I'm thinking pilot error

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Reply #21 - Mar 12th, 2019 at 5:14pm
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on Mar 11th, 2019 at 12:33pm:
This is the second crash in similar circumstances

Yes - third world airlines, third world pilots, third world maintenance crews.

Coincidence?  Australian, US, Canadian, Norwegian airlines are not worried - they can safely operate Western technology.





Major U.S. operators that have the 737 MAX in their fleets have stated that they are monitoring the situation via either Boeing or the NTSB, but no official decision has been announced or anticipated regarding a possible suspension of the variant in their scheduling.

Southwest said that the carrier will “remain confident in the safety and airworthiness of our fleet of more than 750 Boeing aircraft.”

The same for American Airlines as they stated, “We have full confidence in the aircraft and our crew members, who are the best and most experienced in the industry.”

Canadian carrier WestJet also expressed its confidence in the model: “WestJet remains confident in the safety of our Boeing 737 fleet including our 13 MAX-8 aircraft first introduced in 2017.”

European-based MAX operators have said that they are confident in the airworthiness of the aircraft: TUI, with a 15-MAX fleet, said, “We have no indication that we can’t operate our 737 MAX in a safe way like we do with all other planes in our network.”

Norwegian followed suit with a statement from Tomas Hesthammer, Director of Flight Operations, saying, “We are in close dialogue with Boeing and follow their and the aviation authorities’ instructions and recommendations.”

At this time, no European operator has taken a grounding measure and the EASA, Europe’s aviation regulator, has made no recommendation for any airline to do so.

https://airlinegeeks.com/2019/03/11/several-737-max-8-operators-begin-to-ground-...
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Reply #22 - Mar 12th, 2019 at 5:24pm
 
Frank wrote on Mar 12th, 2019 at 5:14pm:
Laugh till you cry wrote on Mar 11th, 2019 at 12:33pm:
This is the second crash in similar circumstances

Yes - third world airlines, third world pilots, third world maintenance crews.

Coincidence?  Australian, US, Canadian, Norwegian airlines are not worried - they can safely operate Western technology.





Major U.S. operators that have the 737 MAX in their fleets have stated that they are monitoring the situation via either Boeing or the NTSB, but no official decision has been announced or anticipated regarding a possible suspension of the variant in their scheduling.

Southwest said that the carrier will “remain confident in the safety and airworthiness of our fleet of more than 750 Boeing aircraft.”

The same for American Airlines as they stated, “We have full confidence in the aircraft and our crew members, who are the best and most experienced in the industry.”

Canadian carrier WestJet also expressed its confidence in the model: “WestJet remains confident in the safety of our Boeing 737 fleet including our 13 MAX-8 aircraft first introduced in 2017.”

European-based MAX operators have said that they are confident in the airworthiness of the aircraft: TUI, with a 15-MAX fleet, said, “We have no indication that we can’t operate our 737 MAX in a safe way like we do with all other planes in our network.”

Norwegian followed suit with a statement from Tomas Hesthammer, Director of Flight Operations, saying, “We are in close dialogue with Boeing and follow their and the aviation authorities’ instructions and recommendations.”

At this time, no European operator has taken a grounding measure and the EASA, Europe’s aviation regulator, has made no recommendation for any airline to do so.

https://airlinegeeks.com/2019/03/11/several-737-max-8-operators-begin-to-ground-...


""Coincidence?  Australian, US, Canadian, Norwegian airlines are not worried - they can safely operate Western technology.""

A lack of pilot training resulted in the first crash

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I'm thinking pilot error

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Mary Black wrote on Mar 12th, 2019 at 5:58pm:
Valkie wrote on Mar 12th, 2019 at 4:44pm:
I'm thinking pilot error

After all

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The dumber the kin


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BigP wrote on Mar 12th, 2019 at 6:04pm:
Mary Black wrote on Mar 12th, 2019 at 5:58pm:
Valkie wrote on Mar 12th, 2019 at 4:44pm:
I'm thinking pilot error

After all

The darker the skin
The dumber the kin


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Cry


and?

Boeing 737 are grounded?

There is a good luck story about a guy who was running late and missed getting on that flight!  Lucky bloke.
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Reply #26 - Mar 12th, 2019 at 8:26pm
 
Frank wrote on Mar 12th, 2019 at 5:14pm:
Laugh till you cry wrote on Mar 11th, 2019 at 12:33pm:
This is the second crash in similar circumstances

Yes - third world airlines, third world pilots, third world maintenance crews.

Coincidence?  Australian, US, Canadian, Norwegian airlines are not worried - they can safely operate Western technology.





Major U.S. operators that have the 737 MAX in their fleets have stated that they are monitoring the situation via either Boeing or the NTSB, but no official decision has been announced or anticipated regarding a possible suspension of the variant in their scheduling.

Southwest said that the carrier will “remain confident in the safety and airworthiness of our fleet of more than 750 Boeing aircraft.”

The same for American Airlines as they stated, “We have full confidence in the aircraft and our crew members, who are the best and most experienced in the industry.”

Canadian carrier WestJet also expressed its confidence in the model: “WestJet remains confident in the safety of our Boeing 737 fleet including our 13 MAX-8 aircraft first introduced in 2017.”

European-based MAX operators have said that they are confident in the airworthiness of the aircraft: TUI, with a 15-MAX fleet, said, “We have no indication that we can’t operate our 737 MAX in a safe way like we do with all other planes in our network.”

Norwegian followed suit with a statement from Tomas Hesthammer, Director of Flight Operations, saying, “We are in close dialogue with Boeing and follow their and the aviation authorities’ instructions and recommendations.”

At this time, no European operator has taken a grounding measure and the EASA, Europe’s aviation regulator, has made no recommendation for any airline to do so.

https://airlinegeeks.com/2019/03/11/several-737-max-8-operators-begin-to-ground-...



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Oz has now banned all 737 Max *8s  Cool

Australia grounds Boeing's 737 MAX in wake of fatal crashes


Australia's aviation safety authority has banned all Boeing 737 MAX aircraft from flying to or from the country in the wake of two deadly plane crashes involving the brand new aircraft in the past five months.

In what is a major blow for the aerospace giant and an unusual split from American aviation regulators, the Civil Aviation Safety Authority said on Tuesday night that it was in the best interests of safety to ground the jets, operated here currently by Fiji Airways into Adelaide, Sydney, Brisbane and Melbourne.

Singapore's SilkAir also flies 737 MAX 8s into Darwin and Cairns, but was already moving those services onto older planes after Singaporean authorities grounded the MAXs earlier on Tuesday.

“This is a temporary suspension while we wait for more information to review the safety risks of continued operations of the Boeing 737 MAX," said CASA' chief executive and director of aviation safety, Shane Carmody.

https://www.theage.com.au/business/companies/australia-grounds-boeing-s-737-max-...

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Caution is the best policy, but it is worth noting that Reuters quoted a witness saying they saw smoke coming from the plane, and debri including person items like clothing coming from the plane before it crashed. That sounds like a bomb in the cargo bay.
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Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 12th, 2019 at 8:26pm:
Frank wrote on Mar 12th, 2019 at 5:14pm:
Laugh till you cry wrote on Mar 11th, 2019 at 12:33pm:
This is the second crash in similar circumstances

Yes - third world airlines, third world pilots, third world maintenance crews.

Coincidence?  Australian, US, Canadian, Norwegian airlines are not worried - they can safely operate Western technology.





Major U.S. operators that have the 737 MAX in their fleets have stated that they are monitoring the situation via either Boeing or the NTSB, but no official decision has been announced or anticipated regarding a possible suspension of the variant in their scheduling.

Southwest said that the carrier will “remain confident in the safety and airworthiness of our fleet of more than 750 Boeing aircraft.”

The same for American Airlines as they stated, “We have full confidence in the aircraft and our crew members, who are the best and most experienced in the industry.”

Canadian carrier WestJet also expressed its confidence in the model: “WestJet remains confident in the safety of our Boeing 737 fleet including our 13 MAX-8 aircraft first introduced in 2017.”

European-based MAX operators have said that they are confident in the airworthiness of the aircraft: TUI, with a 15-MAX fleet, said, “We have no indication that we can’t operate our 737 MAX in a safe way like we do with all other planes in our network.”

Norwegian followed suit with a statement from Tomas Hesthammer, Director of Flight Operations, saying, “We are in close dialogue with Boeing and follow their and the aviation authorities’ instructions and recommendations.”

At this time, no European operator has taken a grounding measure and the EASA, Europe’s aviation regulator, has made no recommendation for any airline to do so.

https://airlinegeeks.com/2019/03/11/several-737-max-8-operators-begin-to-ground-...



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Australia grounds Boeing's 737 MAX in wake of fatal crashes


Australia's aviation safety authority has banned all Boeing 737 MAX aircraft from flying to or from the country in the wake of two deadly plane crashes involving the brand new aircraft in the past five months.

In what is a major blow for the aerospace giant and an unusual split from American aviation regulators, the Civil Aviation Safety Authority said on Tuesday night that it was in the best interests of safety to ground the jets,
operated here currently by Fiji Airways into Adelaide, Sydney, Brisbane and Melbourne.

Singapore's SilkAir also flies 737 MAX 8s into Darwin and Cairns, but was already moving those services onto older planes after Singaporean authorities grounded the MAXs earlier on Tuesday.

“This is a temporary suspension while we wait for more information to review the safety risks of continued operations of the Boeing 737 MAX," said CASA' chief executive and director of aviation safety, Shane Carmody.

https://www.theage.com.au/business/companies/australia-grounds-boeing-s-737-max-...




For the illiterates like you:

operated here currently by Fiji Airways


You guys are just idiots with no ability to discern anything. Tendentious low brow mongs, the lot of you.


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Bite your bum Frankie Baby (AKA Turd Boy.)
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Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 12th, 2019 at 10:02pm:
Bite your bum Frankie Baby (AKA Turd Boy.)
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yeah, reason will get nowhere with mongs like you, captain 20000 leagues under frkkn concrete.
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You are a classic Xenophobe Frankie Baby (AKA Turd Boy)

While some will state that the "target" group is a set of persons not accepted by the society, in reality only the phobic person need hold the belief that the target group is not (or should not be) accepted by society.
While the phobic person is aware of the aversion (even hatred) of the target group, they may not identify it or accept it as a fear.





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737s grounded:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-47536502


Boeing: Europe joins wave of countries grounding the 737 Max.


The European Union Aviation Safety Agency has suspended the Boeing 737 MAX from flying into or over its airspace "to ensure the safety of passengers".

It joins the UK's Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) in banning the plane.

It comes after an Ethiopian Airlines plane crashed on Sunday, killing 157 people on board. It was the second fatal accident involving the 737 Max 8 model in less than five months.

US officials say the aircraft are still safe to fly.

France and Germany announced earlier that they had grounded the jets, joining similar decision by other nations such as China.

The EU Aviation Safety Agency said it made the decision "as a precautionary measure".

Investigators have recovered the flight recorders from the Ethiopian Airlines plane and are currently examining the data to determine what caused the crash.

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Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 12th, 2019 at 10:08pm:
You are a classic Xenophobe Frankie Baby (AKA Turd Boy)

While some will state that the "target" group is a set of persons not accepted by the society, in reality only the phobic person need hold the belief that the target group is not (or should not be) accepted by society.
While the phobic person is aware of the aversion (even hatred) of the target group, they may not identify it or accept it as a fear.








Anyone talking of [your pet demographic group here]-phobia is a wanker.


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You'd be the expert on wanking Frankie Baby! (AKA Turd Boy.)
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Trump grounds all 737 Max planes.


https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/boeing-737-max-8-ethiopia-airlines-crash...

Trump says he worked with Canada and other countries in grounding 737 Max planes

From CNN’s Kevin Liptak

President Trump said he spoke with a number of airlines as well, including American Airlines, before grounding the Boeing 737 Max aircraft.

He said he also worked closely with Canada and other countries. Trump said this was the best decision, “psychologically and in other ways.”

He said the FAA will be making an announcement within half an hour.
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Good job.

That aircraft is a killer until they fix the bugs with it.

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Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 14th, 2019 at 7:15am:
Good job.

That aircraft is a killer until they fix the bugs with it.



Trump is our saviour.
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Bobby. wrote on Mar 14th, 2019 at 9:23am:
Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 14th, 2019 at 7:15am:
Good job.

That aircraft is a killer until they fix the bugs with it.



Trump is our saviour.



What? By following what other air safety authorities have already done?


BY the time Trump grounded them CASA, Chinas CAA, EASA UKs CAA have already grounded them.


SO doubt he's a saviour. Plus how do we know that it was Treumps decision, more than likely he had a meeting with FAA they said we want to ground them, he agreed and tweeted.


Some bloody saviour.
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Bojack Horseman wrote on Mar 14th, 2019 at 9:25am:
Bobby. wrote on Mar 14th, 2019 at 9:23am:
Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 14th, 2019 at 7:15am:
Good job.

That aircraft is a killer until they fix the bugs with it.



Trump is our saviour.



What? By following what other air safety authorities have already done?


BY the time Trump grounded them CASA, Chinas CAA, EASA UKs CAA have already grounded them.


SO doubt he's a saviour. Plus how do we know that it was Treumps decision, more than likely he had a meeting with FAA they said we want to ground them, he agreed and tweeted.


Some bloody saviour.



Wrong.
Trump stepped up to the occasion out of his own common sense.

The regulators wanted to keep them flying.
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Bobby. wrote on Mar 14th, 2019 at 9:48am:
Bojack Horseman wrote on Mar 14th, 2019 at 9:25am:
Bobby. wrote on Mar 14th, 2019 at 9:23am:
Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 14th, 2019 at 7:15am:
Good job.

That aircraft is a killer until they fix the bugs with it.



Trump is our saviour.



What? By following what other air safety authorities have already done?


BY the time Trump grounded them CASA, Chinas CAA, EASA UKs CAA have already grounded them.


SO doubt he's a saviour. Plus how do we know that it was Treumps decision, more than likely he had a meeting with FAA they said we want to ground them, he agreed and tweeted.


Some bloody saviour.



Wrong.
Trump stepped up to the occasion out of his own common sense.

The regulators wanted to keep them flying.


The 737 Max should be scrapped and they should all be delivered to Mar a Lago to build a monument to fornication, deceit and treachery.

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Bobby. wrote on Mar 14th, 2019 at 9:48am:
Bojack Horseman wrote on Mar 14th, 2019 at 9:25am:
Bobby. wrote on Mar 14th, 2019 at 9:23am:
Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 14th, 2019 at 7:15am:
Good job.

That aircraft is a killer until they fix the bugs with it.



Trump is our saviour.



What? By following what other air safety authorities have already done?


BY the time Trump grounded them CASA, Chinas CAA, EASA UKs CAA have already grounded them.


SO doubt he's a saviour. Plus how do we know that it was Treumps decision, more than likely he had a meeting with FAA they said we want to ground them, he agreed and tweeted.


Some bloody saviour.



Wrong.
Trump stepped up to the occasion out of his own common sense.

The regulators wanted to keep them flying.




And yet the other regulators banned them flying before the US did. Some bloody saviour.
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Bojack Horseman wrote on Mar 14th, 2019 at 11:52am:
Bobby. wrote on Mar 14th, 2019 at 9:48am:
Bojack Horseman wrote on Mar 14th, 2019 at 9:25am:
Bobby. wrote on Mar 14th, 2019 at 9:23am:
Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 14th, 2019 at 7:15am:
Good job.

That aircraft is a killer until they fix the bugs with it.



Trump is our saviour.



What? By following what other air safety authorities have already done?


BY the time Trump grounded them CASA, Chinas CAA, EASA UKs CAA have already grounded them.


SO doubt he's a saviour. Plus how do we know that it was Treumps decision, more than likely he had a meeting with FAA they said we want to ground them, he agreed and tweeted.


Some bloody saviour.



Wrong.
Trump stepped up to the occasion out of his own common sense.

The regulators wanted to keep them flying.




And yet the other regulators banned them flying before the US did. Some bloody saviour.



Without Trump those  coffins planes would be flying.
Many people owe their lives to Trump.
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Bobby. wrote on Mar 14th, 2019 at 2:41pm:
Bojack Horseman wrote on Mar 14th, 2019 at 11:52am:
Bobby. wrote on Mar 14th, 2019 at 9:48am:
Bojack Horseman wrote on Mar 14th, 2019 at 9:25am:
Bobby. wrote on Mar 14th, 2019 at 9:23am:
Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 14th, 2019 at 7:15am:
Good job.

That aircraft is a killer until they fix the bugs with it.



Trump is our saviour.



What? By following what other air safety authorities have already done?


BY the time Trump grounded them CASA, Chinas CAA, EASA UKs CAA have already grounded them.


SO doubt he's a saviour. Plus how do we know that it was Treumps decision, more than likely he had a meeting with FAA they said we want to ground them, he agreed and tweeted.


Some bloody saviour.



Wrong.
Trump stepped up to the occasion out of his own common sense.

The regulators wanted to keep them flying.




And yet the other regulators banned them flying before the US did. Some bloody saviour.



Without Trump those  coffins planes would be flying.
Many people owe their lives to Trump.



Only within the US. Trump has no effect on anyone elses airspace.
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Bojack - no one else is flying them.
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Bobby. wrote on Mar 14th, 2019 at 2:58pm:
Bojack - no one else is flying them.




What do you mean? Plenty of airlines outside the US have them


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Bojack Horseman wrote on Mar 14th, 2019 at 3:06pm:
Bobby. wrote on Mar 14th, 2019 at 2:58pm:
Bojack - no one else is flying them.





What do you mean? Plenty of airlines outside the US have them




Not flying any more.  Boing has grounded them.
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Aussie wrote on Mar 14th, 2019 at 3:09pm:
Bojack Horseman wrote on Mar 14th, 2019 at 3:06pm:
Bobby. wrote on Mar 14th, 2019 at 2:58pm:
Bojack - no one else is flying them.





What do you mean? Plenty of airlines outside the US have them




Not flying any more.  Boing has grounded them.




As I have been consistently pointing out, lots of other countries civil aviation authorities took the decision to ground any 737 MAX 8s in their country before the US or Boeing stopped it.

On March 11, 2019, in response to the Lion Air and Ethiopian Airlines accidents, China was the first country to order all 96 of its 737 MAX aircraft grounded.[128][129] In the days following the crash, airlines and authorities around the world suspended the operation of Boeing 737 MAX 8 aircraft (or in many cases all 737 MAX variants).[130][131] The U.S. Federal Aviation Administration was the last to ground the aircraft, on March 13, 2019.[132]
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Bojack Horseman wrote on Mar 14th, 2019 at 3:11pm:
Aussie wrote on Mar 14th, 2019 at 3:09pm:
Bojack Horseman wrote on Mar 14th, 2019 at 3:06pm:
Bobby. wrote on Mar 14th, 2019 at 2:58pm:
Bojack - no one else is flying them.





What do you mean? Plenty of airlines outside the US have them




Not flying any more.  Boing has grounded them.




As I have been consistently pointing out, lots of other countries civil aviation authorities took the decision to ground any 737 MAX 8s in their country before the US or Boeing stopped it.

On March 11, 2019, in response to the Lion Air and Ethiopian Airlines accidents, China was the first country to order all 96 of its 737 MAX aircraft grounded.[128][129] In the days following the crash, airlines and authorities around the world suspended the operation of Boeing 737 MAX 8 aircraft (or in many cases all 737 MAX variants).[130][131] The U.S. Federal Aviation Administration was the last to ground the aircraft, on March 13, 2019.[132]


Yes yes....but today Boeing itself grounded ALL of them, everywhere.
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Aussie wrote on Mar 14th, 2019 at 3:23pm:
Bojack Horseman wrote on Mar 14th, 2019 at 3:11pm:
Aussie wrote on Mar 14th, 2019 at 3:09pm:
Bojack Horseman wrote on Mar 14th, 2019 at 3:06pm:
Bobby. wrote on Mar 14th, 2019 at 2:58pm:
Bojack - no one else is flying them.





What do you mean? Plenty of airlines outside the US have them




Not flying any more.  Boing has grounded them.




As I have been consistently pointing out, lots of other countries civil aviation authorities took the decision to ground any 737 MAX 8s in their country before the US or Boeing stopped it.

On March 11, 2019, in response to the Lion Air and Ethiopian Airlines accidents, China was the first country to order all 96 of its 737 MAX aircraft grounded.[128][129] In the days following the crash, airlines and authorities around the world suspended the operation of Boeing 737 MAX 8 aircraft (or in many cases all 737 MAX variants).[130][131] The U.S. Federal Aviation Administration was the last to ground the aircraft, on March 13, 2019.[132]


Yes yes....but today Boeing itself grounded ALL of them, everywhere.



Thank you, they were already grounded. This just added confirmation. I'm disputing the whole Trump saviour BS Bobbys carrying on with.
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2 out of 5,000 planes.
It's not like the world isn't over-populated and needs the odd cull.
Plenty more frequent flyers where they come from.
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.JaSin. wrote on Mar 14th, 2019 at 7:51pm:
2 out of 5,000 planes.
It's not like the world isn't over-populated and needs the odd cull.
Plenty more frequent flyers where they come from.
Think of the money lost!


2 out of 371 went down. Many others performed alike, but the Pilots overcame it.
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