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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 111593 Melbourne Gender:	Tonight - 4 Corners - Cardinal Pell Mar 4^th, 2019 at 6:25pm Four Corners Guilty: The Conviction of Cardinal Pell 8:32PM - 9:18PM CC Reveals how Australia's highest ranking Catholic, Cardinal George Pell, was brought to justice. With the suppression order lifted on his conviction, the full story can now be told.
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greggerypeccary Moderator Offline Australian Politics Posts: 143958 Gender:	Re: Tonight - 4 Corners - Cardinal Pell Reply #1 - Mar 4^th, 2019 at 6:54pm What if his appeal is successful?
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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 111593 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Tonight - 4 Corners - Cardinal Pell Reply #2 - Mar 4^th, 2019 at 7:01pm greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 4^th, 2019 at 6:54pm: What if his appeal is successful? Then 4 Corners could be embarrassed.
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greggerypeccary Moderator Offline Australian Politics Posts: 143958 Gender:	Re: Tonight - 4 Corners - Cardinal Pell Reply #3 - Mar 4^th, 2019 at 7:04pm Bobby. wrote on Mar 4^th, 2019 at 7:01pm: greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 4^th, 2019 at 6:54pm: What if his appeal is successful? Then 4 Corners could be embarrassed. Maybe this will happen to them:
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Captain Nemo Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 12215 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Tonight - 4 Corners - Cardinal Pell Reply #4 - Mar 4^th, 2019 at 10:39pm That was a good program tonight. Q&A was also quite good for a change... The Rabbi was entertaining and the guy from the Catholic Review was really on the ball.
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Re: Tonight - 4 Corners - Cardinal Pell
Reply #5 - Mar 4^th, 2019 at 11:15pm

Bobby. wrote on Mar 4^th, 2019 at 6:25pm:

Four Corners Guilty: The Conviction of Cardinal Pell

8:32PM - 9:18PM

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Reveals how Australia's highest ranking Catholic, Cardinal George Pell, was brought to justice. With the suppression order lifted on his conviction, the full story can now be told.

George Pell was convicted, in a court of law, bobby.

But it was an 'unsafe' conviction, imo.

Surely, if Pell had committed such acts, and over decades of time, there must be more than one lone accuser who would stand up in a court, and accuse this man ???!!!!

It was an 'unsafe' conviction.

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Deuteronomy 19:15
One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Prime Minister for Canyons Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26906 Canberra Gender:	Re: Tonight - 4 Corners - Cardinal Pell Reply #6 - Mar 5^th, 2019 at 7:36am Yadda wrote on Mar 4^th, 2019 at 11:15pm: It was an 'unsafe' conviction. What was unsafe about it.
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Prime Minister for Canyons Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26906 Canberra Gender:	Re: Tonight - 4 Corners - Cardinal Pell Reply #7 - Mar 5^th, 2019 at 7:37am https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/mar/02/cardinal-george-pells-con... Try reading
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Re: Tonight - 4 Corners - Cardinal Pell
Reply #8 - Mar 5^th, 2019 at 7:39am

Bobby. wrote on Mar 4^th, 2019 at 6:25pm:

Four Corners Guilty: The Conviction of Cardinal Pell

8:32PM - 9:18PM

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Reveals how Australia's highest ranking Catholic, Cardinal George Pell, was brought to justice. With the suppression order lifted on his conviction, the full story can now be told.

It turns out that I saw bits and pieces of this show when visiting a friend last night.

I noticed something a bit odd.

All of the victims and witnesses seem to be blue collar workers (or unemployed) who probably never stayed on past year 10 at school.

It seems to be a theme with these sort of things: witnesses interviewed at the scene of a crime; victims of crime; etc.

You never (or at least very rarely) see people in suits being portrayed as witnesses or victims in these TV shows. Never any doctors, lawyers, accountants or dentists, etc.

Just something I've noticed.

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Re: Tonight - 4 Corners - Cardinal Pell
Reply #9 - Mar 5^th, 2019 at 7:41am

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 5^th, 2019 at 7:39am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 4^th, 2019 at 6:25pm:

Four Corners Guilty: The Conviction of Cardinal Pell

8:32PM - 9:18PM

CC

Reveals how Australia's highest ranking Catholic, Cardinal George Pell, was brought to justice. With the suppression order lifted on his conviction, the full story can now be told.

It turns out that I saw bits and pieces of this show when visiting a friend last night.

I noticed something a bit odd.

All of the victims and witnesses seem to be blue collar workers (or unemployed) who probably never stayed on past year 10 at school.

It seems to be a theme with these sort of things: witnesses interviewed at the scene of a crime; victims of crime; etc.

You never (or at least very rarely) see people in suits being portrayed as witnesses or victims in these TV shows. Never any doctors, lawyers, accountants or dentists, etc.

Just something I've noticed.

The witness in the Pell case is university educated with a family.

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In a time of universal deceit — telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

No evidence whatsoever it can be attributed to George Orwell or Eric Arthur Blair (in fact the same guy)

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Re: Tonight - 4 Corners - Cardinal Pell
Reply #10 - Mar 5^th, 2019 at 7:45am

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 5^th, 2019 at 7:41am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 5^th, 2019 at 7:39am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 4^th, 2019 at 6:25pm:

Four Corners Guilty: The Conviction of Cardinal Pell

8:32PM - 9:18PM

CC

Reveals how Australia's highest ranking Catholic, Cardinal George Pell, was brought to justice. With the suppression order lifted on his conviction, the full story can now be told.

It turns out that I saw bits and pieces of this show when visiting a friend last night.

I noticed something a bit odd.

All of the victims and witnesses seem to be blue collar workers (or unemployed) who probably never stayed on past year 10 at school.

It seems to be a theme with these sort of things: witnesses interviewed at the scene of a crime; victims of crime; etc.

You never (or at least very rarely) see people in suits being portrayed as witnesses or victims in these TV shows. Never any doctors, lawyers, accountants or dentists, etc.

Just something I've noticed.

The witness in the Pell case is university educated with a family.

When you say witness, I gather you mean the victim.

Has he appeared on TV?

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Reply #11 - Mar 5^th, 2019 at 8:31am

I still dont know. I mean if their evidence after all these years is a few ppl who saw him in the changing room naked . . . . my father did that stuff. he would just stand there in all his glory not realising he was making ppl uncomfortable. some ppl are like that. It wasnt sexual molestation though was it. Seems to me more ppl would have come forward if this stuff happened. Perhaps that boy fingered the wrong person.

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Re: Tonight - 4 Corners - Cardinal Pell
Reply #12 - Mar 5^th, 2019 at 9:05am

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 5^th, 2019 at 7:45am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 5^th, 2019 at 7:41am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 5^th, 2019 at 7:39am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 4^th, 2019 at 6:25pm:

Four Corners Guilty: The Conviction of Cardinal Pell

8:32PM - 9:18PM

CC

Reveals how Australia's highest ranking Catholic, Cardinal George Pell, was brought to justice. With the suppression order lifted on his conviction, the full story can now be told.

It turns out that I saw bits and pieces of this show when visiting a friend last night.

I noticed something a bit odd.

All of the victims and witnesses seem to be blue collar workers (or unemployed) who probably never stayed on past year 10 at school.

It seems to be a theme with these sort of things: witnesses interviewed at the scene of a crime; victims of crime; etc.

You never (or at least very rarely) see people in suits being portrayed as witnesses or victims in these TV shows. Never any doctors, lawyers, accountants or dentists, etc.

Just something I've noticed.

The witness in the Pell case is university educated with a family.

When you say witness, I gather you mean the victim.

Has he appeared on TV?

No, because he wants privacy. His evidence was given via video link.

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In a time of universal deceit — telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

No evidence whatsoever it can be attributed to George Orwell or Eric Arthur Blair (in fact the same guy)

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Re: Tonight - 4 Corners - Cardinal Pell
Reply #13 - Mar 5^th, 2019 at 9:05am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 5^th, 2019 at 8:31am:

I still dont know. I mean if their evidence after all these years is a few ppl who saw him in the changing room naked . . . . my father did that stuff. he would just stand there in all his glory not realising he was making ppl uncomfortable. some ppl are like that. It wasnt sexual molestation though was it. Seems to me more ppl would have come forward if this stuff happened. Perhaps that boy fingered the wrong person.

Spot

Why? Given how much poo has happened in this case, why would people risk it?

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No evidence whatsoever it can be attributed to George Orwell or Eric Arthur Blair (in fact the same guy)

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Reply #14 - Mar 5^th, 2019 at 9:13am

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 5^th, 2019 at 9:05am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 5^th, 2019 at 7:45am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 5^th, 2019 at 7:41am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 5^th, 2019 at 7:39am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 4^th, 2019 at 6:25pm:

Four Corners Guilty: The Conviction of Cardinal Pell

8:32PM - 9:18PM

CC

Reveals how Australia's highest ranking Catholic, Cardinal George Pell, was brought to justice. With the suppression order lifted on his conviction, the full story can now be told.

It turns out that I saw bits and pieces of this show when visiting a friend last night.

I noticed something a bit odd.

All of the victims and witnesses seem to be blue collar workers (or unemployed) who probably never stayed on past year 10 at school.

It seems to be a theme with these sort of things: witnesses interviewed at the scene of a crime; victims of crime; etc.

You never (or at least very rarely) see people in suits being portrayed as witnesses or victims in these TV shows. Never any doctors, lawyers, accountants or dentists, etc.

Just something I've noticed.

The witness in the Pell case is university educated with a family.

When you say witness, I gather you mean the victim.

Has he appeared on TV?

No, because he wants privacy. His evidence was given via video link.

So that fits in with what I'm saying, in general.

It seems to be the less educated people who want to go public and get in front of the TV cameras.

When you watch those stories on Channel 7 "News" about cars driving into swimming pools, you rarely see a businessman in a suit giving the eyewitness account.

Similarly, with cases like Pell's, the witnesses are usually less educated individuals in lower paying jobs, or even unemployed.

It's not an attack on or criticism of anyone in particular - it's just something I've noticed over the years, and that 4 Corners show last night reinforced my argument.

I guess the question is, why?

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